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Christians look to form 'new nation' within U.S.
World Net Daily ^ | 4/24/04 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 05/23/2004 11:54:30 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

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1 posted on 05/23/2004 11:54:33 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Hmm, good luck with that guys - nothing is going to happen of course.

You'd be far more likely to have some sort of an effect by moving to a battleground state like FL, but oh well.


2 posted on 05/23/2004 11:58:35 PM PDT by swilhelm73
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

If they are serious, I swear my family and I will join them. No question. For now, I'm getting ready. A change is coming.


3 posted on 05/23/2004 11:59:09 PM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Burnell is leading the charge for a peaceful secession of one state from the union, and after originally considering Alabama, Mississippi and South Carolina due to their relatively small populations, coastal access, and the Christian nature of the electorate, Burnell says South Carolina has been selected as the target location.

Oh yeah, that worked real well last time.

4 posted on 05/24/2004 12:00:13 AM PDT by mhx
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

There's no contesting that the black-robed tyrants have foisted upon all moral people an intolerable situation. All the same, things are going to get really ugly really fast if any state attempts to secede from the Union.

Sadly, I am at a loss on how this intolerable situation can be remedied in any other way that will cut the legs out from under the anti-morality, pro-Leftist, pro-criminal, pro-perversion judicial tyranny we face.


5 posted on 05/24/2004 12:01:25 AM PDT by Prime Choice (Love your enemies... It really ticks 'em off!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Sounds like a good idea to draw attention.


6 posted on 05/24/2004 12:01:34 AM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

WND Poll:


What do you think of the campaign to get Christians to move to South Carolina and then secede from the union?

It's just as brave as American colonists declaring independence from Britain 23.96% (81)


Christians are the majority in the U.S., why do they need to retreat to South Carolina? 17.75% (60)


It will fail, but may dramatize problem of America's increasingly anti- Christian culture 17.16% (58)


Feds will never allow secession – remember the Civil War? 10.06% (34)


I like the idea, but I'd prefer another state to South Carolina 7.69% (26)


The idea is intriguing, and I'd like to find out more information 7.10% (24)


It's insane 5.62% (19)


I'm on my way to South Carolina to support this 4.44% (15)


It's so radical, it will appeal only to a tiny fringe 3.25% (11)


It's a good idea, but not enough people will join in for it to work 2.96% (10)




TOTAL VOTES: 338


7 posted on 05/24/2004 12:03:01 AM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
There are plenty of secular reasons not to redefine the word "marriage." We don't need to build a theocracy to fight the people who would tear down our republic. Until the tyranny of the minority became politically correct, it would have been unthinkable to have men marrying men or women marrying women, let alone manufacturing children for these "unions."

Those would would tear up the definition of our democratic society for the lusts and predilections of a few are the real threats to the social fabric. We don't need anything new, we just need to ostracize the anarchists hiding behind their false (and rarely held) ideals, and berate them for their depravity and their lack of judgment.

This is equally a secular issue as well as a religious one. Anyone who says that it's the issue of separating church from state that prevents us from dealing with it are part of that tyranny of the minority.

8 posted on 05/24/2004 12:07:43 AM PDT by risk
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
On behalf of all American Jews, everywhere: dibs on Hawaii! DIBS! DIBS -- ! :)
9 posted on 05/24/2004 12:08:39 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The Japanese already beat you to it, stick to Boca Raton ...


10 posted on 05/24/2004 12:10:37 AM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I do believe SC was burned to the ground the last time this was tried. I don't expect it will do much more good if it's tried again.


11 posted on 05/24/2004 12:11:35 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
If states did not secede over Roe v. Wade, they aren't going to do so over sodomite marriage.

Secession over Roe would have been perfectly justified.

12 posted on 05/24/2004 12:12:05 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
ROTFL! Hawaii is beautiful but too vulnerable. You can have it. :(

I would pick Colorado myself. But you know, anywhere that respects my values looks good to me at this point. Give me a culture that values ordered, moral-based liberty again (no, not oppressively, but with the consent of the governed) and I'll live anywhere. I am finished with a fiscal nanny and social anarchist state.

13 posted on 05/24/2004 12:18:32 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: risk

It's not about a theocracy. It would still endorse freedom of religion. If you're an atheist who believes in moral community standards (not necessarily legislated, but not outlawed by government either) and the right of the people to make their own laws, then join up. It's just a back to the basics idea. It's not about legislating Christianity. I would be firmly against that. But religious expression would not be banned and labeled coercive, even in the public square.


14 posted on 05/24/2004 12:22:11 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Christian is another word that is being redefined.


15 posted on 05/24/2004 12:23:20 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Not off to a good start. South Carolina doesn't make near as much sense as Alabama or Mississippi. AL or MS would have a much better chance of getting the other to join, and perhaps TN, KY, AR, LA, maybe even TX & OK, than SC would NC or GA. If this idea ever had a chance, the key to success would be strength in numbers, and putting together the largest contiguous block possible.

Of course it will never happen, but an interesting 'what if' scenario, kinda like political 'Risk' Get a solid block from TX/OK to TN/AL, and you'd then have a shot at KS & NB, which could then pull in WY and UT, maybe ID. Do all that, and GA would probably come along. Now you've got a booming, self-sufficient Southern/Flyover block, that if successful in secession would more than hold its own economically, at some point perhaps luring the Dakotas, WV, and maybe even NC and CO.

OK, back to reality.


16 posted on 05/24/2004 12:23:32 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Same things that piss these folks off are on my radar too but this is not a state by state issue or even exclusively regional....it might be urban versus rural outside the South.

Nay, it's simply that we now have a sharply divided nation with our side driving the train but the left controls the tracks and the furnace and the whistle stops along the way.

Only cataclysm will stop this slide. We should pray for our descendents to prevail in the future, for this battle is surely coming.


17 posted on 05/24/2004 12:28:01 AM PDT by wardaddy (This is it. We either win and prevail or we lose and get tossed into that dustbin W mentioned!)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

NB=NE

OBTW, the new conservative republic would need a capitol, and appropriately it should go in the most miserable place possible, to insure lawmakers want to minimize their time there(and thus minimize their sessions.) So I nominate that the capitol be located either in Houston and only allowed to meet in summer, or Cheyenne and only allowed to meet in the dead of winter.


18 posted on 05/24/2004 12:30:36 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Arthur McGowan
Roe is easy for a "me" generation to ignore, even those agianst it. We don't actually see the victims. It doesn't affect us personally. Gay marriage is changing the way we live and raise our children. You can't watch the news without seeing two men kissing or two women. It's sick.

Heck, I went to see Shrek2 and they portrayed Pinocchio (sp?) as a boy who wore women's underwear -- a thong. They had a character known as "the ugly step-sister" who was a male cross-dresser and had the hots for Prince Charming.

Major Corporations (even media corp.) that annually give to the United Way refuse to let the money go to the Boy Scouts becuase they don't want gay scoutmasters. Kids are being taught in school that gay behavior is just another lifestyle choice. On and on...

19 posted on 05/24/2004 12:35:49 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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I hope this organization is aware that S. Carolina is being invaded by illegal aliens and has one of the highest populations of blacks in the country. Not exactly a "conservative" base of population.


20 posted on 05/24/2004 12:37:54 AM PDT by Agent47
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To: Agent47

Gay marriage is not a conservative issue. It's close to 70% that are against it.


21 posted on 05/24/2004 12:39:40 AM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; archy; Travis McGee; rdb3; mhking
...then join up.

When push comes to shove, I'll be with you. But I think our current form of government is the correct one. And I don't believe that it legitimately bans public religious expression. For example, I've been enraged by the attacks on our Mojave Desert Cross WWI memorial. I want Christmas parties back. I want the KJV back in the classroom, along with Shakespeare. Both are banned for their relevance to history and lack of respect for liberal biases.

Political correctness is going to be the death of our society, and no amount of "relegislation" is going to solve it. Secession might offer us relief, but it's a form of surrender. I want the Constitution to be applied, and I want a republic that follows its laws and refuses to ignore the traditions and beliefs of its people. And I'm willing to fight to defend what we've lost and help reinstate it. The lawbreakers are those handing out worthless pieces of paper. They call it a form of abolition, but each drop of ink is a bonfire of anarchy.

My friends, the ones who are seceding are the same sex civil clerks. They're hardly any better than the stamp tax collectors that helped start our revolutionary war.

22 posted on 05/24/2004 12:39:58 AM PDT by risk
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To: risk

Liberals have the schools and the media. They do not have a majority of the people -- yet. Their support is growing, though. How long do we wait? All I want is the original Constitution minus the re-writes. That's all. That's what this group wants. It's the best thing going. I did join.


23 posted on 05/24/2004 12:47:02 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Good luck! It's quite a strong statement to make. This country used to be a Republic. When it is again, your separatism won't be necessary at all. Right now, what's happening in MA and Kali is a form of anarchy.


24 posted on 05/24/2004 12:49:53 AM PDT by risk
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To: Zeroisanumber
I do believe SC was burned to the ground the last time this was tried. I don't expect it will do much more good if it's tried again

But SC could get UN help! That could turn out to be very interesting.
25 posted on 05/24/2004 12:52:21 AM PDT by pau1f0rd
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Hmmm.. have to admit that such as thought has crossed my mind, though both the possibility of success, and the end result are very much in doubt.

Perhaps we could retry the idea, "Constitutional Republic".

1) It simply is not Biblical for Christians to segregate themselves from the rest of the world. ("Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Matt 28:19). Christians are not to be "of the world", but certainly we are sent to be "in the world", to preach Christ.

2) What's missing in the U.S. is not Christian government, but Christians IN government, ensuring that the original "contract" (i.e. the U.S. Constitution) between the people and Government is enforced.

The Constitution has been used for toilet paper for about 100 years now. The true solution is to turn back that tide, i.e. to put honest men and women into government, to show Christ in our actions, providing the Holy Spirit the opportunity to change this nation through our example. Christian judges would not have broken their oath to uphold the Constitution, as evil men in black robes have for the past 100 years.

I swear the status quo is horrid, but I believe the struggle of American Christians is a trial permitted by the Lord. Certainly, our struggle is nothing compared to many of our brothers and sisters face daily throughout the world, i.e. even torture and death.

I believe we can bear up, and do the Lord's will without succeeding from the Union, and creating a "Christian" nation. Steady on, my Christian friends.

SFS

26 posted on 05/24/2004 2:40:06 AM PDT by Steel and Fire and Stone (SFS)
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To: Steel and Fire and Stone

Just a thought...but how about 50 states receeding?


27 posted on 05/24/2004 2:42:14 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: rrrod
seceding....OOOPs
28 posted on 05/24/2004 2:43:05 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

"an aetheist who believes in moral community standards"

Seems like an interesting concept--but whos standards? It would seem that if "Christians" have trouble discerning that,say, abortion is wrong, then what would be the community be that the aetheist should or would adhere?


29 posted on 05/24/2004 3:42:19 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

"South Carolina is too small to be a Republic, and too large to be an insane asylum." -- James Petigru, 1860


30 posted on 05/24/2004 3:45:31 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
...an effort to have one state secede from the United States to become its own sovereign nation.

Didn’t Florida try this 143 years ago - with disastrous consequences?

31 posted on 05/24/2004 3:49:45 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: pau1f0rd
But SC could get UN help! That could turn out to be very interesting.

The French would come to their rescue!

32 posted on 05/24/2004 3:52:36 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

As relatively impossible as it would be to take over New Zealand as a Christian nation, I suspect it would be easier.

Alaska might be easier except the USA would prize it's military options there and Russia expects to get it back in WWIII anyway.

Tasmania might be an option but there's a lot of freethinker types there, too.

Nepal might be interesting but with the Maoists and fierce Buddhists, it's probably not a remotely good option either.

Sri Lanka similarly.

Madagascar similarly.

A bit hard to grow crops in Antarctica still and all those rabid greenies wanting to have hands off on the place would be a nusance anyway.

Cuba seems to be taken.

Puerto Rico is rabidly hostile to anything sane plus having a plethora of ET's and government types running around above ground, below ground and under the sea. Messy.

Arizona might be possible but given all the influx of elderly liberal airheads from New England plus the masses of Mexicans flooding across the border . . . increasingly less attractive.

Idaho has attractions. But given Yellowstone blowing it's cork; a huge number of LDS and no small amount of rabid militia groups--there's more than enough complications to look elsewhere.

The Mormons are well entrenched in Utah. Besides, it's supposedly going to be mostly underwater by the time geologic changes settle down.

Iceland? Fiercely protective of their status quo.

Cyprus? Might even unite the Greeks and Turks to have a 3rd group to oppose!

Greenland? Farmingly challenged unless global warming goes bannas in a big rapid way.

Nova Scotia? Pretty parochial about their status quo, too. Besides, a little too close to the Rabid Frenchies.

Methinks that just about leaves . . . let's see . . .

some corner of Amazonia . . . . Argentine or Chilean highlands

or . . . . thinking . . .

. . .

ahhhhhh

HEAVEN!

Come quickly, Lord Jesus.


33 posted on 05/24/2004 4:07:33 AM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Oohh, I want my own country. I would be Benevolent Dictator For Life and I would outlaw all forms of taxation. I wouldn't want a whole state, though. Maybe a nice 800,000 acres or so with a good water supply and where it doesn't get too humid.


34 posted on 05/24/2004 4:38:29 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: mhx

It didn't work last time because the seceeding states were motivated by a desire to perpetuate an immoral institution. As much as it has been claimed by some that the Civil War was fought over the issue of state's rights, the right they sought to preserve was the right to enslave other human beings.

I see this topic as completely different and with solid moral standing. How else but something like this will those of us who decry the pathetic "European" direction liberals wish to take this country in stand up for what we believe?
In an age when our children and young people are constantly bombarded with a liberal, European agenda, how, other than something as radical as this, do we counteract what our children hear on television and in our universities every day. Certainly, talking to each other in venues like this has done little to stem the tide.

I believe that should such a movement gain a foothold in any one state there would be a strong momentum in states with like-minded populations much as the populations of the old Confederacy quickly fell in line after South Carolina seceeded. I could imagine Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi and Texas and maybe Florida following on quickly. Out west, Colorado, Wyoming, Idaho and Utah. If that happened would Kansas and Oklahoma be far behind? It may be a wild notion right now, but seriously, does anyone truly know of any other way to really stem the seemingly inexorable descent towards a radically secularist, European-style country.

We are all guilty if we sit back, watch it happen and do nothing.


35 posted on 05/24/2004 4:44:34 AM PDT by Neville72
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; ...



"All these atrocities continue in spite of the fact that we now have the 'right' people in places of power. Indeed, the occupant of the White House is a professing Christian. The U.S. attorney general is believed to be a devout Christian. 'Conservatives' control both Houses of Congress, and Republican presidents appointed seven of the nine Supreme Court justices."


36 posted on 05/24/2004 4:50:32 AM PDT by narses (If you want ON or OFF my Catholic Ping List email me. +)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

A good way to start towards this goal would be to practice Christianity instead of just preaching it.


37 posted on 05/24/2004 4:53:47 AM PDT by Shut up and take it
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To: Shut up and take it
A good way to start towards this goal would be to practice Christianity instead of just preaching it.

Sounds like good advice for John Kerry.

38 posted on 05/24/2004 4:58:10 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Burnell, a math teacher and cell-phone dealer, stresses he's not looking for bloody battles that took place in the American Revolution and the Civil War, but is rather seeking a "political divorce."

I wouldn't have thought that these Christians believed in divorce.... LOL

39 posted on 05/24/2004 5:00:43 AM PDT by horatio
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To: Shut up and take it

Amen!


40 posted on 05/24/2004 5:02:11 AM PDT by Types_with_Fist (Go Smarty!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
South Carolina?
Awwwww, drat. Couldn't they have picked a place with better weather (too humid) and fewer swamps?

Why not Montana or Wyoming?
(Idaho ceded to the Mormons)

C'mon guys I'm ready to go -- but West, not South.
("I" talk 'funny' down there)

41 posted on 05/24/2004 5:07:19 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists Are Moral and Intellectual Parasites)
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To: glock rocks; Squantos

Looks interesting!


42 posted on 05/24/2004 5:11:30 AM PDT by B4Ranch ( "Either fight for your Rights or lose them!)
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To: narses
It's the Conservative's and Christian's fault we're in this mess. Why you may fume?
For too many years they have sat out elections because a candidate didn't have the exact same point of view or were one issue voters or supported some "principled" third party candidate. Democrats ALWAYS VOTE, whether or not they make it to polls, sometimes even when death might prevent them from participating in all other activities.
Here is the punishment for each act of hubris:
Bush 1, not closely aligned enough to "Moral Majority" + no new taxes pledge broken. The we're going to show him attitude gave us 8 years of fornication, tax increases a collapse in the moral imperative, gutting of national defense, and a decrease in national security. Oh, yeah, you also had 2 pro-abortion judges added to the Supreme Court not to mention other courts in the national system.
2. Tom McClintock - California Recall. The opportunity to show almost a 65% mandate against the status quo in California. It would have sent a powerful message and changed the course of politics. The threat of being voted out would have meant something. It now does not.
3. Conservative Democrats basically 40% of the rank and file union vote, African-American church-goers and American Catholics have surrendered their power in the party to queers, greens, feminists, and atheists.
So, not being a Leftist, I really don't care about diagnosing their problems, I care about what I can do to improve.
Take responsibility for what you have contributed to create this state of affairs and change it. If you can't do it for your country, do it for your children. Iif you can't do it for your children, do it for your neighbor. If you can't do it for your neighbor, then do it for yourself.
43 posted on 05/24/2004 5:49:53 AM PDT by olde north church (Do you want a president that eats bar-be-cue or a president that eats watercress?)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

How creepy. But if you guys do it, I want to open a strip club and bar on the border. Figure that will rake in millions.


44 posted on 05/24/2004 6:18:37 AM PDT by Central Scrutiniser (Sometimes getting some ain't worth having to sit through a Julia Robberts film.)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
"For now, Burnell prefers to shy away from specifics on the precise laws governing the country.
"Independence first, details later," he says."

Oh, yeah ... like that worked well with the Articles of Confederation.

45 posted on 05/24/2004 6:22:00 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: Condor51
"C'mon guys I'm ready to go -- but West, not South."

But, to really have a chance of making a go of it, you need a coastline. Last I looked, there wasn't a lot of beachfront property in Montana and Wyoming.

46 posted on 05/24/2004 6:23:52 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: stainlessbanner; Blood of Tyrants

Thought you'd find this interesting.


47 posted on 05/24/2004 6:51:29 AM PDT by Sam's Army (Hang up and drive, dammit!)
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To: olde north church
It's the Conservative's and Christian's fault we're in this mess. Why you may fume? For too many years they have sat out elections because a candidate didn't have the exact same point of view or were one issue voters or supported some "principled" third party candidate.

Shhhhhh. You're talking common sense again. :)

48 posted on 05/24/2004 6:53:08 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: Central Scrutiniser
How creepy. But if you guys do it

"You guys"...? If someone posts a story about axe murderers, do you similarly leap to the conclusion that said posters are, themselves, maniacs?

Quick refresher in Logic 101: your cat has kittens in the oven. That doesn't make them biscuits. :)

49 posted on 05/24/2004 6:56:37 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

If you could get the 15-20 million Evangelicals who don't vote to vote, it'd make a huge difference.


50 posted on 05/24/2004 7:04:04 AM PDT by Keyes2000mt (Real Conservative Freeper for State House, http://adamsweb.us/campaign)
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