Skip to comments.The Neoconservative Persuasion
Posted on 05/24/2004 4:42:38 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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IOW, a setup where most people are serfs and a few (including you, I assume) have almost all the money and power is what you want.
As for you not supporting the concept of a min wage, well that doesn't matter. It's against the law to do what is being done and you are defending those breaking the law.
Then why point out my spelling mistakes, knowing that I was having trouble with FR as I said in my other posts. I use spellcheck when it doesn't take 20-35 seconds per POST for it to work. ;->
If someone is breaking the law, they should be arrested and prosecuted. You'll get no dispute from me on that one. I do not and never have defended the breaking of the law. Where I disagree with it, I try to work to get it changed. I was discussing the basic economics of it.
Oh, and BTW, you were absolutely RIGHT over on that "Church vs. Porn" thread. See? Common ground.
Reasonable people can disagree. (hope my husband doesn't read this, for some strange reason he thinks I'am hard headed!)
Look, economic realities have a way of changing. People who made buggy-whips had to get jobs in the S&M field after the car was invented (JOKE! It's just a joke...). Just because someone realizes this doesn't mean that they're Robber Barons or want to enslave the working class. It DOES mean that from time to time, people have no choice but to adapt to changing circumstances.
Back when my dad and me were putting in hardwood floors in New York, we were constantly being undersold by crews composed of illegals. We managed to get along, and even make a few bucks, by simply doing MUCH better work. They wound up with the cheap, low-dollar work, and we got all the high-end, custom work. They manufacture to low standards; we made our work an art.
In 1991, I got my Commercial pilot's license, with images in my head of working for an airline for big bucks. Guess what? That same year, the airline industry cratered, and never really recovered. Next.
There are people who, expecting to work at the same factory their grandaddy did, for the same high wages, neglected to make alternate plans. They must shoulder that burden now.
I do think we can do better on illegal immigration, and I do think the law should be enforced. But there's far more to it than just that.
We need to shut down the social giveaways that attract illegals;
We need to enact reforms that stop penalizing employers for just doing business;
We might try some means to get the states and local governments to stop inhibiting the INS, and refusing to cooperate with them.
Those are just SOME of the things we can do. Tort reform is another good one. If the climate for business is good, they'll stay in America and employ Americans.
As for the social programs, back to my original point...vote the Dims out. That'll go a long way towards fixing things. Note also, the only party containing people like Tom Tancredo who are actually pushing the issues you are concerned with is NOT the Dims.
Great post, it should rally the troops, if they cared about winning!
Never heard of "neo-cons" until Matthews started talking "cabal", and the conspirazoids started their mouth-watering.
But I think I like "neo-cons"!
Seems to me they are the only ones willing to stand up to the Islamic Cults that have roamed the globe for decades, murdering innocents with impunity.
Seems to me that all other political ideologies have had their chance over the last 25 years, in the US and Israel, to deal with, put down, or destroy the power of these cults.
To no avail, as was obvious 9/11.
Seems to me, it's time to give the "neo-cons" the next 5 years, at least, without the constant undermining their goals.
My god, lets remember who is the enemy here.
Let's hope so. We've allowed ourselves to get dangerously sidetracked in these worthless feuds lately, and at the worst possible time.
A neocon is an ex-democrat. If a democrat had any sense they would'nt even be a democrat, and sadly mostly they don't have any sense even they are not democrats either.
I thought the "enemy" of conservatives was BIG government.
BIG government is the handmaiden of the NeoCons, that is my problem with them and their ilk.
If the NeoCons lose power, guess who is going to inherit the monster they created? That's right, the original tax & spend dolts, the Liberals.
BIG government statist often think they're patriotically conservative, but in reality they're destroying the country with their progressive nanny-state politics just as fast as the liberal democrats.
Good. I wouldn't want to be associated with anything "you" would consider conservative...Chamberlain. However, I can assure you, I am fully persuaded as to what you are...nothing more then a defeatist troll.
Sorry I couldn't wait around for you to respond...I know you don't like to do that until you know your betters have retired for the night.
Would that be the same "kamp" as your hero Michael Moore?
Me? Just a American Conservative. I save all that neo/paleo BS for those who need labels to try and justify either their existance or their prejudices.
I never said I was in a "kamp".
I said you were...lol!
Try working on your reading comprehension, it'll do wonders for your ability to formulate a logical argument.
I never much paid any attention to the folks using all the labels...considering most of them that seem fond of doing that are opposed to the War on Terror, it looks like impotent strutting to me.
Of course if you are too embarrassed to identify your majority group who are opposed to the war, I can understand.
LOL! He does not state you claimed you were in a kamp. LOL!
The one that out numbers Conservative American's who support the War on Terror?
Would that be the Michael Moore, Jim McDermott crowd?
Ah, Alexander Hamilton...the father of American taxation.
Hey Mr. Troll-hood, in case you haven't checked lately your kamp is in the minority and will quickly become known within conservative circles as the political mistake that cost the GOP the Whitehouse. Neo-conned again...
I never said I was in a kamp, I said you were (kamp = Neo-Cons).
Being influenced by Trotsyites Neo-Cons view borders as an evil - they want global one world govt just like the neo-liberals.
You said that we Conservative Americans who support the War on Terror are in the majority. Now everyone knows that doesn't include you and your defeatist view point. So what majority "kamp" are you in?
The Michael Moore and Jim McDermott "kamp"?
Will you get a courtesy copy of his movie for all your good anti-war work?
"So what group is it you're speaking for?"
I speak for myself, but IMHO most anti-BIG government conservatives feel that War in Iraq may have been a mistake.
I don't care what liberal idiots think of the war, I'm sure they have entirely different reasons for opposing it (they love BIG government just like the Neo-Cons).
He's just trying to Kerry his way out of what he said.
Also father of American system of banking and private investment.
How can you be speaking for yourself? You claim we Conservatives who support the War on Terror are in the minority.
If you're speaking for yourself then you are the minority...but you claim we are. So what majority group are you speaking for Kerry Poet?
He had some sound ideas...for his time.
What are you gonna say next, "It takes one to know one?"
Were done, you continue on with your childish rants if you wish, but I've already answered ALL of you questions.
What group is that other then the anti-war group so ably represented by your spirtual mates Michael Moore and Jim McDermott?
You do them proud.
If you haven't seen it, don't bother...
The guys certifiably nuts.
So stock exchanges are passe?
I never said I wasn't a Burr fan.
I don't think you can point it out.
The Moore/McDermott/Streisand "kamp".
He must be talking about his anti-war buddy Michael Moore's last film. He seems to like the current one just fine.
interesting that you don't reveal where you stand on traditional conservative issues -- pro-life, tax cuts, racial quotas, conservative judges, gay marriage, immigration. Confirms my suspicion that your only issue is war in the middle east.
I am sorry that someone did claim your were canadian however. I lost all respect for canada over the past several years...but even I wouldn't impose you on that pathetic bunch.
He'd take all three.
If it doesn't involve bloodshed in the middle east, you're not interested. But that doesn't make you a conservative, it just makes you some guy who is obsessed with the middle east.
So, I guess the obvious answer remains...you speak in sympathy and concert with that sweaty fat slob, the hero of your anti-war "kamp", Michael Moore.