The Neoconservative Persuasion

Weekly Standard ^ | 2003 | Irving Kristol

[CWOJackson]

Pssssst, sparky...you posted that to yourself.

"If it doesn't involve bloodshed in the middle east, you're not interested."

Subliminal mistake?

[Veracious Poet]

"Just where does he state that you claimed you were in a kamp?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1141481/posts?page=163#163

Anymore questions?

Please try not to make them as superfluous as your last.

[CWOJackson]

So hey there Kerry Poet, still going to keep on shuffling and avoid answering what majority anti-war "kamp" you speak for when claiming Conservative Americans who support the war are in the minority?

I know Michael Moore says the same thing? Are they two anti-war "kamps" out there that out number us?

[Petronski]

In that post, he asks to know which camp you are in, but you refused the answer (anti-war). But nowhere in that post does he claim that you stated you were in a camp.

You don't want to talk about it, so he did.

Why are you ashamed of being anti-war?

[Mamzelle]

re: I find that description of neo-conservatism particularly uncompelling.))

*snicker*...If you managed to finish this turgid, pretentious, ponderous piece of stale prosebread--much less be compelled by it-- I salute you.

[Petronski]

"Euhhh. Thank goodness I've arrived."

[CWOJackson]

I believe his friend Michael Moore wouldn't want him to reveal his affiliation...it might tarnish Moores gross image.

[jmc813]

I save all that neo/paleo BS for those who need labels to try and justify either their existance or their prejudices.

People like the author of this article?

[CWOJackson]

Did you see the post by Chamberlainbuff to himself:

"If it doesn't involve bloodshed in the middle east, you're not interested. But that doesn't make you a conservative, it just makes you some guy who is obsessed with the middle east."

Talking to himself third person again.

[Petronski]

LOL

[CWOJackson]

The person over-intellectualizing labels?

[Veracious Poet]

First off, asking which camp you're in pre-supposes you're in a camp to begin with (DUH!).

Secondly, I never claimed to be "anti-war".

I fully and still so our invasion of Afghanistan, but view the Iraq debacle as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble.

If you must know, I am an anti-BIG GOV'T., anti-OPEN BORDERS, anti-OUTSOURCING, anti-TAX & SPEND. PRO-LIFE, anti-GAY MARRIAGE conservative.

Perhaps conservatives like me are now in the minority within the conservative movement as CWOJackson espouses.

[jpsb]

Dumber than a box of rocks

[CWOJackson]

A HALLMARK MOMENT

Secondly, I never claimed to be "anti-war".

I fully and still so our invasion of Afghanistan, but view the Iraq debacle as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble.

WHEN SAYING I'M AN ANTI-WAR DEFEATIST ISN'T ENOUGH.

[Veracious Poet]

Correction:

I fully and still support our invasion of Afghanistan...

[Veracious Poet]

Dumber than a box of rocks.

I think you're insulting the intelligence of rocks with that statement. ;-)

[jpsb]

Yea, he is a serious troll.

[CWOJackson]

Correction:

A HALLMARK MOMENT

Secondly, I never claimed to be "anti-war".

I fully and still support our invasion of Afghanistan, but view the Iraq debacle as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble.

WHEN SAYING I'M AN ANTI-WAR DEFEATIST ISN'T ENOUGH.

[Petronski]

First off, asking which camp you're in pre-supposes you're in a camp to begin with (DUH!).

Duh! You are in a camp. To wit:

Secondly, I never claimed to be "anti-war".

I fully and still so our invasion of Afghanistan, but view the Iraq debacle as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble.

As far as Iraq is concerned, you are anti-war, and thus in the anti-war camp.

Your pitiful rhetorical gymnastics aside, when the question is IRAQI FREEDOM, you are in the anti-war camp.

And really, this Kerryesque BS is laughable: "[a] I never claimed to be anti-war...[b but view IRAQI FREEDOM] as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble."

That's like, "I'm not opposed to the war, but here's why I oppose it."

That throbbing headache you feel is called 'cognitive dissonance' Senator Kerry.

[CWOJackson]

Keep working at it. You might actually be able to form a complete and meaningful sentence one day....but then again, with the crowd you hang around with, not likely.

[Petronski]

I fully and still support our invasion of Afghanistan...

Understood, but anti-war on Iraq.

[jpsb]

Personally I think he is a Rat operative, since he does just about everything he can to split paleo and neo conservatives, and mainly with personal insults and attacks. Other then my occasional "box of rocks" comment I ignore him. Feel free to use my approach, it works.

[CWOJackson]

Anti-war MAJORITY...no less.

[jmc813]

Ask him what he thinks of the Assault Weapons Ban and the "Millenium Challenge" foreign aid package.

[Petronski]

Veracious Parrot sure has his anti-war talking points down pat. But don't ask him to admit that on Iraq, he's anti-war.

[philosofy123]

Chamberlainbuff

Who is chamberlain again?

[CWOJackson]

The typical reaction from those affraid to directly address their betters.

I expect nothing less from the lower levels of the anti-war weasels.

[Veracious Poet]

I think you and CWOJackson should take remedial classes together.

Anti-war = against war.

I'm not against war in general, just think "Iraqi Freedom" is a pipe dream.

War is inevitable and necessary at times...

[Petronski]

So if you oppose the war in Iraq, on that war, you are anti-war.

[CWOJackson]

Chamberlainbuff is sulking. He normally doesn't reply to me until he's dead certain I've left FR for the day...it's a just a little courage thing I guess.

He flubbed his last post to himself so I think he might be out getting his nails done for a while. However, if you would like to initiate such a thread feel free.

[CWOJackson]

Chamberlainbuff is sulking. He normally doesn't reply to me until he's dead certain I've left FR for the day...it's a just a little courage thing I guess.

He flubbed his last post to himself so I think he might be out getting his nails done for a while. However, if you would like to initiate such a thread feel free.

[CWOJackson]

Chamberlainbuff is sulking. He normally doesn't reply to me until he's dead certain I've left FR for the day...it's a just a little courage thing I guess.

He flubbed his last post to himself so I think he might be out getting his nails done for a while. However, if you would like to initiate such a thread feel free.

[Veracious Poet]

"So if you oppose the war in Iraq, on that war, you are anti-war."

One last lesson and I'm off.

I am not anti-war(period)

I am anti-Iraq war.

See the difference?

[jpsb]

Iraq might and could work out well for the US and Iraq and all of the Middle East. I am much more hopefull then you, and then again it would go very badly too. Spporting Buch on this action is the only game in town. American withdrawal under fire from Iraq, is not an option.

[jmc813]

However, if you would like to initiate such a thread feel free.

Nah. I tried to get your opinion on that Millenium Challenge $hit yesterday to no avail.

[CWOJackson]

Chamberlainbuff is a VERY COMMON reference to the poster calling them self: Churchillbuff. It's almost universally used to clear up the misconception his name implies. If one examines Chamberlainbuffs many anti-war threads, they may get the mistaken idea that Churchill was a defeatist and pansy.

It also goes beyond his simply anti-war position, to his actual knowledge of Sir Winston Churchill. Chamberlainbuff either didn't know, or simply forgot, episodes in Churchill's life, such as WWI, that directly contradict his assertions about Churchill.

Chamberlainbuff is far more representative of the fool Neville Chamberlain, who declared Hitler to no be dangerous, and that war was not necessary.

[Petronski]

One last lesson and you're off?

Okay, here's your last lesson:

Regarding the war in Iraq, You are anti-war (and apparently ashamed of it).

[jpsb]

see 213

[CWOJackson]

A HALLMARK MOMENT

I am not anti-war(period)

I am anti-Iraq war.

See the difference?

WHEN SAYING I'M NOT ALWAYS AN ANTI-WAR DEFEATIST ALL THE TIME SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH

[CWOJackson]

All a matter of timing I guess. I was busy yesterday trying to get Kerry Poet there to identify the majority anti-war group he speaks for.

And then there were the many Zinni threads...where people were singing the praises of the butcher of the USS Cole sailors.

[Petronski]

To paraphrase Senator Kerry: "I'm not opposed to this war, but here's why I'm opposed to it."

[CWOJackson]

"You are anti-war (and apparently ashamed of it)."

Consider the comparison:

American soldier defending his nation - Michael Moorse, sweet dripping off his fat face.

[Petronski]

...Michael Moore, sweet dripping off his fat face.

Sweet? Sweet what? Sweet icing? Sweet rolls? Sweet corn?

LOL Now there's a Freudian slip.

[CWOJackson]

Yeeeecchhhh...I pulled a Chamberlainbuff!

So let me clear this up by pulling a Kerry Poet: I was referring to the various sauces dribbling off his snout and chin, not indicating that I consider his face sweet, because I actually opposed his face in New York, but this is france and you know, french food is often sweet, so that's what I wasn't saying I said.

Kerry Poet out.

[Petronski]

...the various sauces dribbling off his snout and chin...

LOL

[uncitizen]

I'm a conservative and don't need the "neo" label to identify my persuasion. At the same time, I think conservatism is the stronger for the contribution of disaffected liberals, since we used to be them and know how they think. In no small part, the Left is infuriated by people who successfully steal the thunder out of their arguments. As a result, the Left has been left with nothing to say. In no small part, the neocons have helped to make America, in Micklewaithe and Wooldridge's apt phrase, "The Right Nation.

Bump this analysis!

[churchillbuff]

Oops, I meant to post to you, the phony "conservative" who doesn't have any concern about conservative issues! Thanks for pointing out my mistake, so here we go again, "sparky" - or should I say, "lefty"!

you don't have any interest (at least that you make public) in pro-life, tax cuts, racial quotas, conservative judges, sanctity of marriage or the immigration mess - - and yet you have the gall to question my conservative commitment, when I've been posting on these issues for six years. If it doesn't involve bloodshed in the middle east, you're not interested. But that doesn't make you a conservative, it just makes you some guy who is obsessed with the middle east.

[CWOJackson]

Getting confused there sparky...you already said the same thing about yourself...and I thought it was spot on. Don't try to wiggle out of the first accurate thing you've said in so long. Enjoy the fact that you got it right FOR ONCE.

[churchillbuff]

Has anyone seen this Jackson character post on anything that didn't have to do with the Middle East? I post on all kinds of traditional conservative concerns - but I've never encountered him when I'm talking about abortion, or high taxes or burdensome regulations, or gun control, or family values, or reverse racism. He cares as much about those issues, it seems, as John Kerry does! That's why I take it with a lot of salt when he disses my opinions - - that's like being disses by Kerry or anybody else who could care less about conservative concerns, it's an honor to be "bashed" by somebody like that!

Have a great day!

[churchillbuff]

Oh, and by the way, I'm not a paleo, not a libertarian, not a Ron Paul supporter - - - just a traditional, pro-life, low-tax Reaganite conservative. Proudly posting on those issues, on freerepublic, since 1998. (I was Clinton bashing when Clinton-bashing wasn't cool!)