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The Neoconservative Persuasion
Weekly Standard ^ | 2003 | Irving Kristol

Posted on 05/24/2004 4:42:38 PM PDT by churchillbuff

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To: churchillbuff
Pssssst, sparky...you posted that to yourself.

"If it doesn't involve bloodshed in the middle east, you're not interested."

Subliminal mistake?

201 posted on 05/25/2004 12:06:09 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Petronski

"Just where does he state that you claimed you were in a kamp?"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1141481/posts?page=163#163

Anymore questions?

Please try not to make them as superfluous as your last.


202 posted on 05/25/2004 12:09:59 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: Veracious Poet
So hey there Kerry Poet, still going to keep on shuffling and avoid answering what majority anti-war "kamp" you speak for when claiming Conservative Americans who support the war are in the minority?

I know Michael Moore says the same thing? Are they two anti-war "kamps" out there that out number us?

203 posted on 05/25/2004 12:12:18 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Veracious Poet
In that post, he asks to know which camp you are in, but you refused the answer (anti-war). But nowhere in that post does he claim that you stated you were in a camp.

You don't want to talk about it, so he did.

Why are you ashamed of being anti-war?

204 posted on 05/25/2004 12:13:03 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: MrShoop
re: I find that description of neo-conservatism particularly uncompelling.))

*snicker*...If you managed to finish this turgid, pretentious, ponderous piece of stale prosebread--much less be compelled by it-- I salute you.

205 posted on 05/25/2004 12:14:09 PM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: CWOJackson

"Euhhh. Thank goodness I've arrived."

206 posted on 05/25/2004 12:14:33 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski

I believe his friend Michael Moore wouldn't want him to reveal his affiliation...it might tarnish Moores gross image.


207 posted on 05/25/2004 12:15:17 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
I save all that neo/paleo BS for those who need labels to try and justify either their existance or their prejudices.

People like the author of this article?

208 posted on 05/25/2004 12:16:49 PM PDT by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: Petronski
Did you see the post by Chamberlainbuff to himself:

"If it doesn't involve bloodshed in the middle east, you're not interested. But that doesn't make you a conservative, it just makes you some guy who is obsessed with the middle east."

Talking to himself third person again.

209 posted on 05/25/2004 12:17:33 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

LOL


210 posted on 05/25/2004 12:18:29 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: jmc813

The person over-intellectualizing labels?


211 posted on 05/25/2004 12:18:45 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Petronski

First off, asking which camp you're in pre-supposes you're in a camp to begin with (DUH!).

Secondly, I never claimed to be "anti-war".

I fully and still so our invasion of Afghanistan, but view the Iraq debacle as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble.

If you must know, I am an anti-BIG GOV'T., anti-OPEN BORDERS, anti-OUTSOURCING, anti-TAX & SPEND. PRO-LIFE, anti-GAY MARRIAGE conservative.

Perhaps conservatives like me are now in the minority within the conservative movement as CWOJackson espouses.


212 posted on 05/25/2004 12:19:33 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: CWOJackson

Dumber than a box of rocks


213 posted on 05/25/2004 12:21:56 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Veracious Poet
A HALLMARK MOMENT

Secondly, I never claimed to be "anti-war".

I fully and still so our invasion of Afghanistan, but view the Iraq debacle as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble.

WHEN SAYING I'M AN ANTI-WAR DEFEATIST ISN'T ENOUGH.

214 posted on 05/25/2004 12:22:05 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Petronski

Correction:

I fully and still support our invasion of Afghanistan...


215 posted on 05/25/2004 12:23:05 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: jpsb

Dumber than a box of rocks.

I think you're insulting the intelligence of rocks with that statement. ;-)


216 posted on 05/25/2004 12:24:48 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: Veracious Poet

Yea, he is a serious troll.


217 posted on 05/25/2004 12:25:22 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Veracious Poet
Correction:

A HALLMARK MOMENT

Secondly, I never claimed to be "anti-war".

I fully and still support our invasion of Afghanistan, but view the Iraq debacle as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble.

WHEN SAYING I'M AN ANTI-WAR DEFEATIST ISN'T ENOUGH.

218 posted on 05/25/2004 12:25:38 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Veracious Poet
First off, asking which camp you're in pre-supposes you're in a camp to begin with (DUH!).

Duh! You are in a camp. To wit:

Secondly, I never claimed to be "anti-war".

I fully and still so our invasion of Afghanistan, but view the Iraq debacle as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble.

As far as Iraq is concerned, you are anti-war, and thus in the anti-war camp.

Your pitiful rhetorical gymnastics aside, when the question is IRAQI FREEDOM, you are in the anti-war camp.

And really, this Kerryesque BS is laughable: "[a] I never claimed to be anti-war...[b but view IRAQI FREEDOM] as an unwinnable, expensive Neo-Con gamble."

That's like, "I'm not opposed to the war, but here's why I oppose it."

That throbbing headache you feel is called 'cognitive dissonance' Senator Kerry.

219 posted on 05/25/2004 12:26:51 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: jpsb

Keep working at it. You might actually be able to form a complete and meaningful sentence one day....but then again, with the crowd you hang around with, not likely.


220 posted on 05/25/2004 12:27:16 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Veracious Poet
I fully and still support our invasion of Afghanistan...

Understood, but anti-war on Iraq.

221 posted on 05/25/2004 12:28:55 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Veracious Poet

Personally I think he is a Rat operative, since he does just about everything he can to split paleo and neo conservatives, and mainly with personal insults and attacks. Other then my occasional "box of rocks" comment I ignore him. Feel free to use my approach, it works.


222 posted on 05/25/2004 12:29:04 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Petronski

Anti-war MAJORITY...no less.


223 posted on 05/25/2004 12:29:34 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: churchillbuff

Ask him what he thinks of the Assault Weapons Ban and the "Millenium Challenge" foreign aid package.


224 posted on 05/25/2004 12:29:47 PM PDT by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: CWOJackson

Veracious Parrot sure has his anti-war talking points down pat. But don't ask him to admit that on Iraq, he's anti-war.


225 posted on 05/25/2004 12:31:05 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: CWOJackson
Chamberlainbuff

Who is chamberlain again?

226 posted on 05/25/2004 12:31:11 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: jpsb
The typical reaction from those affraid to directly address their betters.

I expect nothing less from the lower levels of the anti-war weasels.

227 posted on 05/25/2004 12:32:38 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Petronski

I think you and CWOJackson should take remedial classes together.

Anti-war = against war.

I'm not against war in general, just think "Iraqi Freedom" is a pipe dream.

War is inevitable and necessary at times...


228 posted on 05/25/2004 12:33:27 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: Veracious Poet

So if you oppose the war in Iraq, on that war, you are anti-war.


229 posted on 05/25/2004 12:34:29 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: jmc813
Chamberlainbuff is sulking. He normally doesn't reply to me until he's dead certain I've left FR for the day...it's a just a little courage thing I guess.

He flubbed his last post to himself so I think he might be out getting his nails done for a while. However, if you would like to initiate such a thread feel free.

230 posted on 05/25/2004 12:34:44 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: jmc813
Chamberlainbuff is sulking. He normally doesn't reply to me until he's dead certain I've left FR for the day...it's a just a little courage thing I guess.

He flubbed his last post to himself so I think he might be out getting his nails done for a while. However, if you would like to initiate such a thread feel free.

231 posted on 05/25/2004 12:35:03 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: jmc813
Chamberlainbuff is sulking. He normally doesn't reply to me until he's dead certain I've left FR for the day...it's a just a little courage thing I guess.

He flubbed his last post to himself so I think he might be out getting his nails done for a while. However, if you would like to initiate such a thread feel free.

232 posted on 05/25/2004 12:35:19 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Petronski

"So if you oppose the war in Iraq, on that war, you are anti-war."

One last lesson and I'm off.

I am not anti-war(period)

I am anti-Iraq war.

See the difference?


233 posted on 05/25/2004 12:38:30 PM PDT by Veracious Poet (Cash cows are sacred in America...GOT MILKED???)
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To: Veracious Poet

Iraq might and could work out well for the US and Iraq and all of the Middle East. I am much more hopefull then you, and then again it would go very badly too. Spporting Buch on this action is the only game in town. American withdrawal under fire from Iraq, is not an option.


234 posted on 05/25/2004 12:38:53 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: CWOJackson
However, if you would like to initiate such a thread feel free.

Nah. I tried to get your opinion on that Millenium Challenge $hit yesterday to no avail.

235 posted on 05/25/2004 12:39:06 PM PDT by jmc813 (Help save a life - www.marrow.org)
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To: philosofy123
Chamberlainbuff is a VERY COMMON reference to the poster calling them self: Churchillbuff. It's almost universally used to clear up the misconception his name implies. If one examines Chamberlainbuffs many anti-war threads, they may get the mistaken idea that Churchill was a defeatist and pansy.

It also goes beyond his simply anti-war position, to his actual knowledge of Sir Winston Churchill. Chamberlainbuff either didn't know, or simply forgot, episodes in Churchill's life, such as WWI, that directly contradict his assertions about Churchill.

Chamberlainbuff is far more representative of the fool Neville Chamberlain, who declared Hitler to no be dangerous, and that war was not necessary.

236 posted on 05/25/2004 12:39:48 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Veracious Poet
One last lesson and you're off?

Okay, here's your last lesson:

Regarding the war in Iraq, You are anti-war (and apparently ashamed of it).

237 posted on 05/25/2004 12:40:46 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: CWOJackson

see 213


238 posted on 05/25/2004 12:41:49 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Veracious Poet
A HALLMARK MOMENT

I am not anti-war(period)

I am anti-Iraq war.

See the difference?

WHEN SAYING I'M NOT ALWAYS AN ANTI-WAR DEFEATIST ALL THE TIME SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH

239 posted on 05/25/2004 12:42:14 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: jmc813
All a matter of timing I guess. I was busy yesterday trying to get Kerry Poet there to identify the majority anti-war group he speaks for.

And then there were the many Zinni threads...where people were singing the praises of the butcher of the USS Cole sailors.

240 posted on 05/25/2004 12:43:46 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

To paraphrase Senator Kerry: "I'm not opposed to this war, but here's why I'm opposed to it."


241 posted on 05/25/2004 12:45:03 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski
"You are anti-war (and apparently ashamed of it)."

Consider the comparison:

American soldier defending his nation - Michael Moorse, sweet dripping off his fat face.

242 posted on 05/25/2004 12:47:42 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
...Michael Moore, sweet dripping off his fat face.

Sweet? Sweet what? Sweet icing? Sweet rolls? Sweet corn?

LOL Now there's a Freudian slip.

243 posted on 05/25/2004 12:49:40 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski
Yeeeecchhhh...I pulled a Chamberlainbuff!

So let me clear this up by pulling a Kerry Poet: I was referring to the various sauces dribbling off his snout and chin, not indicating that I consider his face sweet, because I actually opposed his face in New York, but this is france and you know, french food is often sweet, so that's what I wasn't saying I said.

Kerry Poet out.

244 posted on 05/25/2004 12:53:30 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
...the various sauces dribbling off his snout and chin...

LOL

245 posted on 05/25/2004 12:55:42 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: goldstategop
I'm a conservative and don't need the "neo" label to identify my persuasion. At the same time, I think conservatism is the stronger for the contribution of disaffected liberals, since we used to be them and know how they think. In no small part, the Left is infuriated by people who successfully steal the thunder out of their arguments. As a result, the Left has been left with nothing to say. In no small part, the neocons have helped to make America, in Micklewaithe and Wooldridge's apt phrase, "The Right Nation.

Bump this analysis!
246 posted on 05/25/2004 1:02:19 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: CWOJackson
Oops, I meant to post to you, the phony "conservative" who doesn't have any concern about conservative issues! Thanks for pointing out my mistake, so here we go again, "sparky" - or should I say, "lefty"!

you don't have any interest (at least that you make public) in pro-life, tax cuts, racial quotas, conservative judges, sanctity of marriage or the immigration mess - - and yet you have the gall to question my conservative commitment, when I've been posting on these issues for six years. If it doesn't involve bloodshed in the middle east, you're not interested. But that doesn't make you a conservative, it just makes you some guy who is obsessed with the middle east.

247 posted on 05/25/2004 1:08:13 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

Getting confused there sparky...you already said the same thing about yourself...and I thought it was spot on. Don't try to wiggle out of the first accurate thing you've said in so long. Enjoy the fact that you got it right FOR ONCE.


248 posted on 05/25/2004 1:11:21 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson; jmc813
Has anyone seen this Jackson character post on anything that didn't have to do with the Middle East? I post on all kinds of traditional conservative concerns - but I've never encountered him when I'm talking about abortion, or high taxes or burdensome regulations, or gun control, or family values, or reverse racism. He cares as much about those issues, it seems, as John Kerry does! That's why I take it with a lot of salt when he disses my opinions - - that's like being disses by Kerry or anybody else who could care less about conservative concerns, it's an honor to be "bashed" by somebody like that!

Have a great day!

249 posted on 05/25/2004 1:13:47 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: jmc813

Oh, and by the way, I'm not a paleo, not a libertarian, not a Ron Paul supporter - - - just a traditional, pro-life, low-tax Reaganite conservative. Proudly posting on those issues, on freerepublic, since 1998. (I was Clinton bashing when Clinton-bashing wasn't cool!)


250 posted on 05/25/2004 1:17:11 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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