Skip to comments.The Neoconservative Persuasion
Posted on 05/24/2004 4:42:38 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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"Hey folks, I brought the entertainment."
Is property taxation illegal now? If defaulting on one's owed takes,and penalties laid on,when one does,is "theft",to you,then therein lies your problem.
Does your friend have a mortgage?If so,then he doesn't OWN the property to begin with!
Is he getting unemployment checks?
Has he looked for work,ANY work?
Since YOU care so much about him,why aren't you helping him monetarily?
During the Great Depression,people used to throw parties,to raise rent money/property tax money.Why not DO something like that for him?
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh...Conservatives aren't supposed to be a bunch of bleeding hearts,but nobody would know that,by reading some posts here.
Yep and Zinni, Kerry, 60 minutes, the rest of the fifth column media, chamberlainbuff, and 21st century the space oddity, are leading that parade.
If I spit on my father or my brothers, the last time I would have to worry about is some keyboard pansy like you.
BTW, my whole family has been Republican since the Civil War and not one of them thought the War in Iraq would be a good thing for US.
There are tons of military and political options available in the WOT that wouldn't have become the quagmire that Iraq has become.
Do you know the history of Iraq and it's occupiers?
"THOSE THAT IGNORE HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT"
Yes, comparing you to Michael Moore is wrong...he simply a gross pig.
This has less than NOTHING at all to do with " blood lust"!
Naw, if it were up to my ilk, you're ilk wouldn't have been spitting on soldiers returning from Vietnam.
Keep up the good work jackson, -- that is real close to uncalled for personal abuse, imo.
"If I spit on my father or my brothers, the last time..."
Should have read:
"If I spit on my father or my brothers, the last thing..."
No wonder he was opposed to taking out the USS Cole attackers.
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You asked if he had lost his propery, I answered when that would happen.
This just happened, but the job market in this area isn't the best.
I have donated a large amount of food to them, I do not have the money to help them or I would and out church has raised some money, but it's a small church.
Conservatives ARE supposed to care for their fellow citizens, I guess you forgot that.
It's always easy for one to say that from the comfort behind a beer stained keyboard and sitting in an EZ Chair.
I've never seen THE SWAN;just heard about it. LOL
Viewed in this way, one can say that the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy. That this new conservative politics is distinctly American is beyond doubt.
Note the predisposition towards "Democracy," the system Madison and the other Founding Fathers sought to guard against. And yet even in that predisposition, note the absurd contradiction. This poseur seeks to convert those of us who believe in traditional Americanism, as well as the Republican party, against our wills. That sure is Democratic! And the genius who can write such revealing commentary, just assumes of course that he is both doing us and America a favor.
The final sentence quoted further demonstrates the shallowness of Mr. Kristol as a political thinker. First of all, there is nothing Conservative about this "new conservative politics." It is duplicitous to call it that. And duplicity has been the hallmark of various forms of European politics--in each case also pretending to be much further to the right than it actually is--for over a hundred years.
First of all, consider the British Fabian Socialist movement, now running the British Government via the Labour Party under Tony Blair. Blair as his predecessors has always pretended to be far more moderate than he actually is. He like some of Mr. Kristol's admirers in America, also, refuses to protect the basic British stock--the British Nation descended from those who are responsible for English civilization, literature, science and influence--from hordes of uncongenial immigrants, still pouring into an already, long over-crowded island.
Second, consider the Nazi movement under Adolph Hitler. While he called his party "Socialist," as well as "Labour," he pretended to be of the Right. While he called for a "Classless, Casteless Society"--just as the Communists--he was basically engaged in converting the German Center and even some of the actual Right, "against their respective wills." And, he as brother Kristol, acted as though he was doing them a favor. He was saving Germany by revolutionizing its several cultures. We have all seen pictures of that benefit in the bombed out ruins. Herr Hitler was no more of the real Right than is Herr Kristol.
Europe in the days of the EU is full of phony Conservatives who do not seek to preserve, but like Mr. Kristol, seek to foist an ideology on people "against their respective wills," with varying degrees of success. Such forces of "Democracy," have all but destroyed the continuity of European culture and family values. Massachusetts, today, but apes Europe.
Anyone who has ever attended an Academy with serious intellectual pretensions, will have encountered in addition to the serious intellects that may actually be on campus, the numerous poseurs who seek to convince others of their profundity. We know the breed, Mr. Kristol represents, though not all of them are so pathetic as Mr. Kristol.
Sham Conservatism from a sham intellect!
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tpaine writes in a language called gibberish.
It's an atrocious show where "ugly" women are secluded and not allowed to see their own reflection for months while undergoing plastic surgery,etc. When they are finally allowed to see themselves, they don't recognize themselves and from what I read so far not many are pleased. The one episode I saw, I was disgusted and turned it. Not like last night watching Colonial House and wanting to kill the atheist woman for all that whining.
He's still trying to figure out his own last post.
I'm sorry, I thought the DemoRATS got us into Vietnam (along with the Great Society) and they were the ones that held back the troops?
By the time the Vietnam anti-war protestors showed up, the war had been already lost.
Your "ilk" are the ones responsible for the reception "our" troops got when they returned.
If he can't get a job,in construction,he should get a job doing something else;ANYTHING! And what about his unemployment benefits?
This just happened? "JUST HAPPENED"? Where are his savings? What about his wife working?
Good grief...if thed job market stinks where you/he live,then he needs to go where the job market is good!
What ever happened to common sense?
It's getting like a schoolyard screaming match.
Buff, I disagree with you, but i'd be mad too if I was in your shoes after this.
CWO, we've been friends for years it seems. We ALL need to act more like adults if we want to persuade people.
Like I said in #18, we pon the Right are going to lose the war AND the election if we keep at each other like jackals.
Buff, you've made your point...you oppose the war. Fine. That DOESN'T mean you have to post article after article, day after day slamming our efforts there. As a serviceman myself, I can tell you it gets discouraging. We're there now, in Iraq, and we're not going to be pulled out. So we have to win, so the troops can survive and come home. If a Democrat gets elected, and pulls us out, then no American will ever be safe at home or abroad again.
CWO, There's better ways to debate than you are here. Read your posts in sequence and I'm sure you'll see. We need to be a team now, against Kerry anyway. These battles and feuds amongst ourselves do NOTHING but make us all look ridiculous.
When my family came home from Nam, I was there at the to support them.
I never did see any protestors, only on TV.
You going to watch CH tonight?
At the main entrance to Ft. Lewis the fences are covered in banners wishing our troops well and praying for their safe return...put there by private citizens.
Periodically, the anti-war crowd arrives to demonstrate on the over-pass, to let the troops know how their "ilk" feels about them.
The troops and their families know that the majority of us, sorry Kerry Poet but you and Michael Moore aren't the majority, support them. Still, I can't help but think it would raise their spirits even higher if we could tie some of these anti-war defeatiest scum to the overpass as a show of support.
Sorry LC...this team doesn't include those who undermine the morale and resolve of our troops.
You and bozo can't read standard english?
Of course, it's repugnant! It's by the Father of Neo-conservatism (and also the father of the neo with the biggest mouth .... now do you wonder how Bill came by his pomposity?).
There's nothing much conservative about it, neo-liberalism would be a more apt title! FDR and TR, indeed!
You support the troops like few I've ever seen. You do a great job of it, and supporting us here. You and I have engaged more trolls, pitchforkers, and other jerks here than I can count. Let's not degenerate to the level of the Moores and Streisands, huh?
Look, there's two possibilities regarding CB...
1. He's a troll;
2. He's really a conservative with serious questions about the war, which he sincerely wants to discuss.
If the answer is 1, just ignoring his posts will do the trick. If he gets ZERO responses, and is a troll, he'll leave. Responding only keeps the thread bumped.
If he's legit, he'll simply get the message that the others have had enough and quit posting the negative crap.
After watching Monica Crowley last night, I am really glad Levin took her second hour.!
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I see nothing conservative at all in those who wrap themselves in the "true conservative" label yet actively work to undermine the war effort.
But feel free to harmonize with them.
Pretty amazing how Neo-Cons can't deal with the absolute truth of the Neo-Conservatives agenda.
What's even more surprising is how they cling to this insanity even after presumably ingesting the facts.
I'd say they have a major problem with reality, just like their Neo-Con demigods.
That's the last thing i'd do and you know it.
All I'm saying is, don't encourage them by engaging in pointless squabbles.
We have a President to re-elect, in the middle of a World War. His removal will herald a retreat, followed by our loss of it.
We're not helping ourselves by attacking and sniping at each other, or by using these stupid labels like "Neo-Con, or "Paleo-Con".
You're right, he's positively obsessed, and it's pushed him over the edge of reason and sanity.
Are you aware of Zinni's opposition to attack the people responsible for the USS Cole? Are you aware of the commercial deal he later brokered as a civilian with the government he had protected following the USS Cole attack?
If not I can provide you with the data.
It outrages me that these people, despite having been informed of the truth involving Zinni, even today have posted threads using him as an argument.
As for sniping and attacking "each other", most of the self proclaimed "true conservatives" are already avowed third party voters...but the lurkers may not be.
Reason and sanity...concepts you will never understand...do yourself a favor and keep your head in the third party sand box.
DENIAL is a terrible trap. We need to come up with a twelve-step program for these poor souls. ;o)
The anti-war protesters didn't just "show up",at the end/when Nixon was president.
An accurate knowledge of history helps.:-)
That's good to hear. :-)
I could NEVER listen to Crowley and I'm delighted that ABC gave Mark a second hour.
If you think gun-grabbing and high taxes aren't priority-one issues, I wonder what freedoms you think our military exists to defend. anyway, you won't issue a single sentence to say you agree with the Republican Platform, when it comes to life, family, tax and regulatory issues. the fact you say these aren't "priorities" makes it clear that you're a liberal, and that (although you won't admit it to your fellow freepers) you take Kerry's side on most issues. you see, only liberals don't think these issues are important.
Liberals see no priority in saving babies from abortionists, or in saving taxpayers from ruinous taxation, or in saving the family structure from homosexual militants, or in saving equal rights from racial quotas. You and Michael Moore agree that these aren't top priority issues.
Thanks for revealing yourself as an undercover liberal !
The anti-Vietnam War movement didn't get a head of steam until 68' for all intensive purposes and by then the VietCong had plans in place that made it impossible for us to defeat them without invading North Vietnam in force.
The DemoRATs balked and the rest was history.
Iraq may suffer a similar fate unless we have the wherewithal to invade Syria and Iran.
That is if we don't run out of money first.
But nice try at trying to change the subject and run away from your agenda. It isn't working of course, but neither is your agenda.
The "NAZI RULE" on the net,is well know,was posted,for at least the 1,000th time,just last week,on FR.I didn't make it up.
I know all about Hamilton;no need to attempt to "fill me in" about him.LOL
My other references,were to show that our leaders have NOT really been isolationists.
Most nations were mostly agrarian based,at the time America became America.We were also looked down upon,by the "first world powers",until after WW II,due to their perceptions of our lack of sophistication,intellectual lack,and no,even our "goods" were seen as inferior,for the most part.
Ummmmmmmmm...after Jefferson sent what was to become our Marines,after the Barbary Pirates and claiming that we wouldn't pay "bribes"...guess what? WE DID PAY BRIBES! That's a fact.
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So how can we assume Jackson's conservative? He refuses to say where he stands on any domestic issue - taxes, abortion, "gay marriage," quotas, environmental regulation. Just because he's pro-Iraq-war is no reason to assume he's not a moderate Democrat or an unaffiliated voter who leans to the left on most issues.