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To: Long Cut
I believe that if liberals disappeared and we lived in a world full of conservatives and libertarian, we would still face a number of problems. There would still be an open borders movement. The Wall Street Journal makes a yearly libertarian call for open borders. In addition, various libertarian groups, such as Cato, find common cause with liberals on a promiscuous view of personal liberty or, to be more accurate, licentiousness.

But we live in the real world with liberals. Yet that does not mean conservatives should try to "out-liberal" them. Instead, we should defeat them on the battlefield of ideas. Be proud in our conservative views and people will be persuaded. A cringing adoption of liberalism only leads to a slower and more painful defeat.
117 posted on 05/24/2004 11:08:12 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: asmith92008
"I believe that if liberals disappeared and we lived in a world full of conservatives and libertarian, we would still face a number of problems."

Of course we would. But overregulation, nanny-statism, confiscatory taxes, gun control, wasteful social programs, union thuggery, the Social Security Ponzi scheme, and legally-enshrined PC would probably not be among them.

Plus, we'd never have to hear another speech from Ted The Swimmer, Robert KKK Byrd, or Dianne Feinswine again.

My point is that by working together, and voting that way, we can eliminate a bunch of COMMON concerns. We could then work on the rest, and probably alleviate many of those. Okay, neither side is going to get ALL it wants, but it's a start.

Without the other troubles on our backs, it'd make the rest easier to deal with honestly, anyway.

If we pared down or eliminated a good chunk of social giveaways, wouldn't that also eliminate a motivator for illegals to come here in the first place? If we scrapped the minimum wage and corporate taxes, and instituted wide-ranging tort reform, wouldn't that make the U.S. more friendly an environment for businesses to operate in, thus slowing outsourcing?

Demanding closed borders is only facing ONE side of the issue.

136 posted on 05/25/2004 3:44:03 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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To: asmith92008
"various libertarian groups, such as Cato, find common cause with liberals on a promiscuous view of personal liberty or, to be more accurate, licentiousness."

If we got rid of Social Security and the tax code, won the war, and eliminated the lawsuit industry and regulations which drive corporations away, oh, and dropped gun control into the toilet in which it belongs, I could put up with a few folks smoking weed.

A couple of strip joints is a small price to pay to be rid of Kennedy, Byrd, Pelosi, and Schumer, in my book.

142 posted on 05/25/2004 4:15:37 AM PDT by Long Cut ("Fightin's commenced, Ike, now get to fightin' or get outta the way!"...Wyatt Earp, in Tombstone)
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