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LIBERALS and NAZIS (Send this to your left wing acquaintances)

Posted on 05/25/2004 12:35:08 AM PDT by Capitalism2003

"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand: … an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. We demand … the greatest possible consideration of small business in the purchases of national, state, and municipal governments. In order to make possible to every capable and industrious [citizen] the attainment of higher education and thus the achievement of a post of leadership, the government must provide an all-around enlargement of our entire system of public education … We demand the education at government expense of gifted children of poor parents … The government must undertake the improvement of public health – by protecting mother and child, by prohibiting child labor … by the greatest possible support for all clubs concerned with the physical education of youth. We combat the … materialistic spirit within and without us, and are convinced that a permanent recovery of our people can only proceed from within on the foundation of the common good before the individual good."

– From the political program of the Nazi Party, adopted in Munich, February 24, 1920


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To: DimitryShostakovich

Nazis supported the systematic extermination of millions of people.

With that in mind, your comparison falls flat, and is worthless, and shameless. Enough with the nazi comparisons.
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You left yourself wide open on this one, Dimitry, unless you don't think unborn babies are people.


42 posted on 05/25/2004 6:47:23 AM PDT by DBrow
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To: DimitryShostakovich
...There's one big difference between Liberals and nazis though:
Nazis supported the systematic extermination of millions of people.


Liberals are better because Nazis were just more direct about their intentions? (Wouldn't it be worst if Liberals were destroying all these people accidently?)
43 posted on 05/25/2004 6:52:29 AM PDT by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: Capitalism2003
The problem with your argument is that Hitler betrayed almost all the socialist principles laid out above once he came to power. The true believers in National Socialism, including Ernst Roehm and the Nazi ideologue who wrote the very words you have posted, Gregor Strasser, were murdered by Hitler on the Night of the Long Knives, June 30, 1934.

Hitler was backed by all the major capitalist industrialists in Germany throughout the existence of the Third Reich. He consolidated his power as Chancellor by gaining the support of the conservative faction in German government led by Franz von Paten. The only private property at risk in the Nazi era belonged to the Jews. Private enterprise flourished under the Nazis and strikes were outlawed. Hardly the record one would expect of socialists.

For the Nazis, ideology on paper was one thing, actual governing philosophy something else entirely. Hitler did not go to the working man to build his war machine. He went to the capitalists.

In such a well researched and well known area of history it behooves no one to distort the facts. The proper way to understand National Socialism is to always put the emphasis on the first word -- nationalism. The Nazis were German racial chauvinists of the first rank. Hitler's committment to socialism was always secondary, and, as we saw, easily disposed of when he felt it was convenient to do so.

44 posted on 05/25/2004 12:07:19 PM PDT by beckett
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To: thoughtomator
Communism will never be accepted in the United States, but under the guise and name of "liberalism" it will easily be swallowed.

And so it is that we are choking.


45 posted on 05/25/2004 12:13:35 PM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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To: DimitryShostakovich

You are wrong. In practice, all socialism becomes national socialism. The Soviet Union talked a good game, but was really just a front for Russian nationalism.


46 posted on 05/25/2004 12:18:57 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay are ead-day)
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To: swilhelm73
I'd really love to know how liberal came to mean socialist.

FDR and the intellectuals of the 1930s are usually credited with pulling off that remarkable feat of legerdemain. They were uncomfortable calling themselves socialist given Norman Thomas' failure to capture to the American imagination with the term, and of course to call themselves communists was anathema. So in all the trendy periodicals and opinion pieces written by guys like John Dewey and Sidney Hook, they started to assign themselves the designator "liberal." Unfortunately it stuck, even though, as you say, it really doesn't apply.

A lot of the sophistry, nonsense and evil born in the 1930s, that roiling decade of hard economic times, is still with us today.

47 posted on 05/25/2004 12:30:46 PM PDT by beckett
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To: Capitalism2003
Remember, from history that the American Left (Communists) was virulently against helping Britain fight Hitler ---- until..... Hitler attacked Russia then they were mad because we weren't already in the fight.
48 posted on 05/25/2004 5:19:04 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 05/25/2004 9:35:11 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: beckett

The lure of socialism for the ruling class has always been the godlike power and condecention. The weight of socialism always rests upon the shoulders of the working class


50 posted on 05/25/2004 11:00:14 PM PDT by bad company
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To: Capitalism2003
psst. Next time try this; /b

I'm sorry but your post is unreadable.

51 posted on 05/26/2004 6:37:48 AM PDT by Condor51 (Leftists Are Moral and Intellectual Parasites)
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To: SandRat

"Remember, from history that the American Left (Communists) was virulently against helping Britain fight Hitler ---- until..... Hitler attacked Russia then they were mad because we weren't already in the fight."

bingo


52 posted on 05/26/2004 7:48:40 AM PDT by Capitalism2003 ("Greedy capitalists get money by trade. Good liberals steal it." David Friedman)
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To: SandRat; Capitalism2003
Remember, from history that the American Left (Communists) was virulently against helping Britain fight Hitler ---- until..... Hitler attacked Russia then they were mad because we weren't already in the fight.

Hitler was fighting the communists in the streets of Munich from 1923 onward. He hated them and they hated him.

The American left hated Hitler also until Stalin entered into a pact with Hitler on Aug 23, 1939. It was a completely cynical pact entered into only because each of them was trying to out-game the other, and it lasted until June 22, 1941, when Hitler won that phase of the game by successfully launching a surprise invasion of Russia. So when you say the "American Left (Communists) was virulently against helping Britain fight Hitler" you're only talking about a period of less than two years, and your only talking about the Stalinist left, not the entire left. In fact Stalin's pact with Hitler was a major cause of numerous factional breaks within the American left at the time.

As I said above, this period of history has been heavily researched. The only way to approach it is to be completely rigorous in regard to the facts. Otherwise you end up looking kind of foolish.

53 posted on 05/26/2004 10:22:28 AM PDT by beckett
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To: beckett

ah all that you've said is true but the demonstrations on the streets and the opposition to what FDR was trying to do from 39 until Barbarossa kicked off is also true.


54 posted on 05/26/2004 5:41:28 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Condor51

sorry for the bold...try copy n pasting the text in a wordpad document...That seems to make it easier to read.


55 posted on 06/04/2004 12:24:42 PM PDT by Capitalism2003 ("Greedy capitalists get money by trade. Good liberals steal it." David Friedman)
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