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Widescale Biodiesel Production from Algae
University of New Hampshire, Physics Department : UNH Biodiesel Group ^ | Michael Briggs

Posted on 05/25/2004 4:28:06 PM PDT by ckilmer

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Widescale Biodiesel Production from Algae
Michael Briggs, University of New Hampshire, Physics Department

As more evidence comes out daily of the ties between the leaders of petroleum producing countries and terrorists (not to mention the human rights abuses in their own countries), the incentive for finding an alternative to petroleum rises higher and higher. The environmental problems of petroleum have finally been surpassed by the strategic weakness of being dependent on a fuel that can only be purchased from tyrants.

In the United States, oil is primarily used for transportation - roughly two-thirds of all oil use, in fact. So, developing an alternative means of powering our cars, trucks, and buses would go a long way towards weaning us, and the world, off of oil. The best alternative at present is clearly biodiesel, a fuel that can be used in existing diesel engines with no changes, and is made from vegetable oils or animal fats rather than petroleum.

In this report, we will first examine the possibilities of producing biodiesel on the scale necessary to replace all petroleum transportation fuels in the U.S.

I. How much biodiesel?

First, we need to understand exactly how much biodiesel would be needed to replace all petroleum transportation fuels. So, we need to start with how much petroleum is currently used for that purpose. Per the Department of Energy's statistics, each year the US consumes roughly 60 billion gallons of petroleum diesel and 120 billion gallons of gasoline. First, we need to realize that spark-ignition engines that run on gasoline are generally about 40% less efficient than diesel engines. So, if all spark-ignition engines are gradually replaced with compression-ignition (Diesel) engines for running biodiesel, we wouldn't need 120 billion gallons of biodiesel to replace that 120 billion gallons of gasoline. To be conservative, we will assume that the average Diesel engine is 35% more efficient, so we'd need 35% less diesel fuel to replace that gasoline. That would work out to 78 billion gallons of diesel fuel. Combine that with the 60 billion gallons of diesel already used, for a total of 138 billion gallons. Now, biodiesel is about 5-8% less energy dense than petroleum diesel, but its greater lubricity and more complete combustion offset that somewhat, leading to an overall fuel efficiency about 2% less than petroleum diesel. So, we'd need about 2% more than that 138 billion gallons, or 140.8 billion gallons of biodiesel. So, this figure is based on vehicles equivalent to those in use today, but with compression-ignition (Diesel) engines running on biodiesel, rather than a mix of petroleum diesel and gasoline. Combined diesel-electric hybrids in wide use would of course bring this number down considerably, but for now we'll just stick with this figure.

One of the biggest advantages of biodiesel compared to other alternative transportation fuels is that it can be used in existing diesel engines. This completely eliminates the "chicken-and-egg" dilemma that other alternatives have, such as hydrogen powered fuel cells. For fuel cells, even when (and if) vehicle manufacturers eventually have production stage vehicles ready, nobody would buy them unless there was already a wide scale hydrogen fuel production and distribution system in place. But, no companies would be interested in building that wide scale hydrogen fuel production and distribution system until a significant number of fuel cell vehicles are on the road, so that consumers are ready to start using it.

However, with biodiesel, since the same engines can run on conventional petroleum diesel, manufacturers can comfortably produce diesel vehicles before biodiesel is available on a wide scale. As biodiesel production continues to ramp up, it can just go into the same fuel distribution infrastructure, just replacing petroleum diesel. Not only does this eliminate the chicken-and-egg problem, making biodiesel a much more feasible alternative than fuel cells, but also eliminates the huge cost of revamping the nationwide fuel distribution infrastructure.

II. Large scale production

There are two steps that would need to be taken for producing biodiesel on a large scale - growing the feedstocks, and processing them into biodiesel. The latter step would perhaps be best accomplished by existing oil refineries within the US being converted to biodiesel refineries, but could also be accomplished by new companies building new plants. The main issue that is often contested is whether or not we would be able to grow enough crops to provide the oil for producing the amount of biodiesel that would be required to completely replace petroleum as a transportation fuel. So, that is the main issue that will be addressed here.

The Office of Fuels Development, a division of the Department of Energy, funded a program from 1978 through 1996 under the National Renewable Energy Laboratory known as the "Aquatic Species Program". The focus of this program was to investigate high oil yield algaes that could be grown specifically for the purpose of wide scale biodiesel production1. Some species of algae are ideally suited to biodiesel production due to their high oil content (some as much as 50% oil), and extremely fast growth rates. From the results of the Aquatic Species Program2, algae farms would let us supply enough biodiesel to completely replace petroleum as a transportation fuel in the US (as well as its other main use - home heating oil).

One of the important concerns about wide scale development of biodiesel is if it would displace croplands currently used for food crops. With algae, that concern is completely eliminated, as algae grows ideally in either hot desert climates or off of waste streams. NREL's research focused on the development of algae farms in desert regions, using shallow salt water pools for growing the algae. Another nice benefit of using algae as a food stock is that in addition to using considerably less water than traditional oilseed crops, algae also grows best in salt water, so farms could be built near the ocean with no need to desalinate the seawater as it is used to fill the ponds.

NREL's research showed that one quad (ten billion gallons) of biodiesel could be produced from 200,000 hectares of desert land (200,000 hectares is equivalent to 780 square miles). In the previous section, we found that to replace all transportation fuels in the US, we would need 140.8 billion gallons of biodiesel, or roughly 14 quads. To produce that amount would require a land mass of almost 11,000 square miles. To put that in perspective, consider that the Sonora desert in the southwestern US comprises 120,000 square miles. As can be seen in Figure 1 below, the Sonora desert is located along the Pacific ocean, making it an ideal location for algae farms. The arid climate of the desert is very supportive of algae growth, and the nearby ocean could supply saltwater for the algae ponds. Enough biodiesel to replace all petroleum transportation fuels could be grown in 11,000 square miles, or roughly nine percent of the area of the Sonora desert.


Figure 1 - The Sonora Desert

The algae farms would not all need to be built in the same location, of course. In fact, it would be preferable to spread them around throughout the country, to lessen the cost and energy used in transporting the feedstocks. Algae farms could also be constructed to use waste streams (either human waste or animal waste from animal farms) as a food source, which would provide a beautiful way of spreading algae production around the country. The algae farms also yield recoverable methane (commonly referred to as "biomethane" when it comes from biomass). This methane could then be turned into methanol, to provide a biomass derived source of alcohol for turning the algal oils into biodiesel. The left-over sludge remaining makes an ideal fertilizer, high in nitrogen and phosphorous. Such algae farms could also use the waste-streams from agriculture to aid algae growth.

III. Cost

In "The Controlled Eutrophication process: Using Microalgae for CO2 Utilization and Agircultural Fertilizer Recycling"3, the authors estimated a cost per hectare of $40,000 for algal ponds. In their model, the algal ponds would be built around the Salton Sea (in the Sonora desert) feeding off of the agircultural waste streams that normally pollute the Salton Sea with over 10,000 tons of nitrogen and phosphate fertilizers each year. The estimate is based on fairly large scale ponds, 8 hectares in size each. To be conservative (since their estimate is fairly optimistic), we'll arbitrarily increase the cost per hectare by 50% as a margin of safety. That brings the cost per hectare to $60,000. Ponds equivalent to their design could be built around the country, using wastewater streams (human, animal, and agricultural) as feed sources. We found that at NREL's yield rates, 11,000 square miles (2.82 million hectares) of algae ponds would be needed to replace all petroleum transportation fuels with biodiesel. At the cost of $60,000 per hectare, that would work out to roughly $169 billion, to build the farms.

The operating costs (including power consumption, labor, chemicals, and fixed capital costs (taxes, maintenance, insurance, depreciation, and return on investment) worked out to $12,000 per hectare. That would equate to $50.7 billion per year for all the algae farms, to yield all the oil feedstock necessary for the entire country. Compare that to the more than $100 billion the US spends each year just on purchasing crude oil from foreign countries.

IV. Other issues

To make biodiesel, you need not only the vegetable oil, but an alcohol as well (either ethanol or methanol). The alcohol only constitutes about 20-25% of the volume of the biodiesel, so the volume of alcohol needed is only about 1/4 the volume of oil. One of the most land-efficient and energy-efficient way of producing methanol is using pyrolysis on biomass. One of the additional benefits of this method is that the process produces both methanol as well as charcoal, which can be burned for energy production (replacing coal, and producing no net CO2 emissions or sulfate emissions). In the early days of the automobile, most vehicles ran on biofuels, with Henry Ford himself being a big advocate of methanol produced from industrial hemp (not to be confused with marijuana, which is significantly different). The Department of Energy's "Mustard Project" has focused on the prospect of growing mustard for the dual purposes of biodiesel and organic pesticide production. Their process focused on alternating mustard crops with wheat. One nice effect of this is that the wheat could be used as the cellulose feedstock for producing alcohol through pyrolysis for biodiesel production.

V. Hydrogen?

Hydrogen as a fuel has received widespread attention in the media of late, particularly ever since the Bush administration proclaimed that developing a hydrogen economy would clean our air, and free us of oil dependence. There are many problems with using hydrogen as a fuel. The first, and most obvious, is that hydrogen gas is extremely explosive. To store hydrogen at high pressures for as a transportation fuel, it is essential to have tanks that are constructed of rust-proof materials, so that as they age they won't rust and spring leaks. Hydrogen has to be stored at very high pressures to try to make up for its low energy density. Diesel fuel has an energy density of 1,058 Btu/cu.ft. Biodiesel has an energy density of 950 Btu/cu.ft, and hydrogen stored at 3,626 psi (250 times atmospheric pressure) only has an energy density of 68 Btu/cu.ft.4 Hydrogen's energy density is only 7.2% of that of biodiesel. Even if the hydrogen fuel cell is twice as efficient as a diesel engine, running on hydrogen stored at 250 atmospheres would yield an equivalent vehicle only 14% of the range of a vehicle running on biodiesel, with equivalent space set aside for fuel storage. To get a 1,000 mile range, a tractor trailer running on diesel needs to store 168 gallons of diesel fuel. When the greater efficiency of the engine running on biodiesel is taken into account, it would need roughly 175 gallons of biodiesel for the same range. But, to run on hydrogen stored at 250 atmospheres, to get the same range would require 2,360 gallons of hydrogen. Dedicating that much space to fuel storage would drastically reduce how much cargo trucks could carry. Additionally, the cost of the high pressure, corrosion resistant storage tanks to carry that much fuel is astronomical.

There are two options for using hydrogen in a fuel cell - using compressed hydrogen produced by electrolyzing water, and extracting hydrogen from other fuels. I will look at each individually, and then analyze the use of hydrogen as a fuel in general. Currently, most hydrogen used industrially is extracted from natural gas. At current usage rates, the United States will deplete its natural gas reserves in 46 years. If the use of natural gas for transportation (whether directly, or as hydrogen extracted from natural gas) increases dramatically, the time it will take before we use up all of our reserves will decrease correspondingly. One of the primary reasons for looking for alternatives to petroleum is to decrease our dependence on foreign fuels. If we spend trillions of dollars converting to using natural gas, only to use up our own reserves in a decade or two, we would find ourselves back in the exact same position of being dependent on foreign sources.

Thus, the focus needs to be on renewable fuels. For hydrogen, it is only renewable when it is extracted from biofuels, or when the hydrogen is produced by electrolyzing water using renewable energies (wind, solar, etc.). The most logical biofuel to use in fuel cells would be biodiesel, due to its high energy balance and energy density. But, let's consider the option of producing water through electrolysis.

VI. Hydrogen electrolyzed from water

The first way to look at a potential transportation fuel is to examine the overall energy balance. The energy balance tells you how much energy you get back for each unit of energy you put into developing the fuel. The higher the energy balance, the better the fuel source. The lower the energy balance, the more energy that has to be put into producing the fuel per amount of energy yielded when using the fuel.

When discussing hydrogen as a fuel, people usually take a very simplified approach. When used in a fuel cell, the only by-product of using hydrogen as a fuel is water. However, that completely ignores the issue of where the hydrogen came from in the first place. It is tempting to think that this hydrogen would be produced by electrolyzing water using renewable energy sources, such as wind. To see how realistic this approach is, it is important to analyze the overall energy balance, and henceforth the amount of energy that would need to be produced for the fuel to be used on a wide scale.

The place to start with hydrogen is electrolysis (directly separating the hydrogen and oxygen atoms in water molecules, using electricity). While biodiesel is produced by growing crops and transesterifying the oils, hydrogen as a fuel could be produced by electrolyzing water. Electrolysis systems are around 60% efficient. That means that for each unit of energy you put in, the amount of recoverable energy in the hydrogen produced is equal to 0.6 units. The hydrogen then needs to be compressed to high pressures for storage in fuel tanks (due to the low energy density, hydrogen has to be stored at high pressures so that vehicles can have a reasonable range). Compressing the hydrogen takes energy, but for the moment we will ignore this energy cost, as well as the cost of transporting hydrogen (likewise, we will ignore the cost of transporting biodiesel. Transporting biodiesel should be more efficient, since hydrogen needs to be stored and shipped in high pressure stable metal containers (which are very heavy), whereas biodiesel can be shipped in the same fuel trucks used today. The mass of the fuel tanks for transporting hydrogen is a greater percentage of the energy yield in the fuel than for biodiesel)).

So, the hydrogen fuel can be produced with an energy balance of 0.6:1 (0.6 units produced per unit of energy input, a 60% efficiency). Current generation fuel cells are 50-60% efficient. Assuming a 60% efficiency, that reduces the overall energy yield from 0.6:1 down to 0.36:1. That means that for each unit of energy that goes into producing the fuel (hydrogen), 0.36 units of energy gets used for moving a vehicle.

The limited range of hydrogen powered vehicles makes them comparable to electric vehicles. The energy balance, however, is completely different. While a hydrogen vehicle would use electricity to electrolyze water to get hydrogen for fuel, an electric vehicle uses electricity to charge batteries. Battery charging systems are around 90% efficient, compared to the 60% efficiency for electrolysis. Using the charged batteries to propel a car has an efficiency in the upper 90% range, giving electric cars an overall energy efficiency of around 85%, or 0.85:1. The energy balance of electric vehicles is more than twice as efficient as a car powered with hydrogen produced through electrolysis.

Now let us consider biodiesel. Based on a report by the US DOE and USDA entitled "Life Cycle Inventory of Biodiesel and Petroleum Diesel for Use in an Urban Bus"5, biodiesel produced from soy has an energy balance of 3.2:1. That means that for each unit of energy put into growing the soybeans and turning the soy oil into biodiesel, we get back 3.2 units of energy in the form of biodiesel. That works out to an energy efficiency of 320%. The reason for the energy efficiency being greater than 100% is that the growing soybeans turn energy from the sun into chemical energy (oil). Current generation diesel engines are 43% efficient (HCCI diesel engines under development, and heavy duty diesel engines have higher efficiencies, but for the moment we'll just use current car-sized diesel engine technology). That brings the overall energy balance down to 1.38:1, roughly three times better than the 0.36:1 of the hydrogen fuel cell car. This figure means that for each unit of energy that goes into growing the crops and producing the biodiesel, 1.38 units of energy are available to be used for moving the vehicle, a net gain of 38%, compared to a net loss of 64% for hydrogen. With the improved energy balances of other crops such as mustard and algae compared to the 3.2:1 of soy, this energy balance would be even better.

  1. http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/pdfs/biodiesel_from_algae_ps.pdf
  2. http://www.ott.doe.gov/biofuels/pdfs/biodiesel_from_algae_es.pdf
  3. http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/pdf/algae_salton_sea.pdf
  4. http://www.osti.gov/fcvt/deer2002/eberhardt.pdf
  5. http://www.nrel.gov/docs/legosti/fy98/24089.pdf


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: algae; biodiesel; energy; opec; recycle; renewable; renewalable

1 posted on 05/25/2004 4:28:08 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: ckilmer

Enough talk. Do it.


2 posted on 05/25/2004 4:30:38 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: ckilmer
Here's a better idea: Thermal Depolymerization.

Makes use of existing waste. Don't have to grow anything new

3 posted on 05/25/2004 4:36:46 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: ckilmer
Enough biodiesel to replace all petroleum transportation fuels could be grown in 11,000 square miles, or roughly nine percent of the area of the Sonora desert.

Enviros will never let it happen. They will declare the Sonora desert "pristine" and that's all she wrote.

Next idea.....

4 posted on 05/25/2004 4:41:26 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: DuncanWaring
"Unlike other solid-to-liquid-fuel processes such as cornstarch into ethanol, this one will accept almost any carbon-based feedstock. If a 175-pound man fell into one end , he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water."

"SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!! Next they'll be breeding us like cattle!"

"While no one plans to put people into a thermal depolymerization machine, an intimate human creation could become a prime feedstock. "There is no reason why we can't turn sewage, including human excrement, into a glorious oil..."

Now that's a load of......

5 posted on 05/25/2004 4:45:19 PM PDT by ExSoldier (When the going gets tough, the tough go cyclic. (R.I.P. harpseal))
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To: ckilmer

Great idea. This will be huge.... as soon as it costs less than regular diesel.


6 posted on 05/25/2004 4:48:44 PM PDT by BMiles2112
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To: randog

Algae floats. Why not just fertilize the ocean far away from land? It would also feed lots of new sea life we could eat, and suck massive amounts of carbon dioxide right out of the air, allowing everyone to drive around in SUVs, not just John Kommy's family.


7 posted on 05/25/2004 4:51:04 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: ckilmer
One major problem with Biodiesel is over-pricing ! Just last month I called their local dealer and was quoted a price of $ 2.25 a gallon (compared to $ 1.86 for regular diesel). Last week I drove out to their station and saw a posted price of $ 2.46 for Biodiesel and $ 2.25 for diesel. I refuse to be overcharged for a product just because it has a "Green" label.
8 posted on 05/25/2004 4:54:17 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: randog
Enviros will never let it happen. They will declare the Sonora desert "pristine" and that's all she wrote.

Exactly. They whine about geothermal in the Great Basin, and that doesn't even involve paving huge areas with big vats, just sticking a pipe in the ground every 20 acres or so and running them all to a small turbine and pumping station. And with pretty high power output so you get a lot of bang for your buck.

They won't be satisfied until the entire world only uses Invisible Happy Magic Power(tm).

9 posted on 05/25/2004 4:57:24 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: ExSoldier

"If a 175-pound man fell into one end , he would come out the other end as 38 pounds of oil, 7 pounds of gas, and 7 pounds of minerals, as well as 123 pounds of sterilized water."

Double those figures for Micheal Moore, and what a lovely idea!


10 posted on 05/25/2004 5:14:47 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (Death before dishonor, open bar after 6:00)
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To: tortoise

They wont be happy until the U.S looks like Afganistan.


11 posted on 05/25/2004 5:15:42 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: DuncanWaring
Is this a publicly traded company?
12 posted on 05/25/2004 5:25:33 PM PDT by nathanbedford (You can't get to my right - no room)
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To: ckilmer

I missed the part where they specified the price they need for a gallon of biodiesel to make this proposition pay a positive return on investment.


13 posted on 05/25/2004 5:32:45 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Reeses
Actually I think it sucks up oxygen. It is one of the reasons there is a dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico the size of Rhode Island. Excessive fertilizers from agricultural production causes algae blooms and depletes the oxygen in the water. On the flip side I could run all of my vehicles off the crap that is on my own lake. I can't decide if that is a good thing or a bad thing.
Oh, by the way I found that dead zone thing from the National Oceanographic Service (NOS). Just in case you thought it was greenie propaganda.
14 posted on 05/25/2004 5:36:01 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (Liberals are proof that public education has failed.)
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To: tortoise
They won't be satisfied until the entire world only uses Invisible Happy Magic Power(tm).

Don't laugh--they call it Zero-Point Energy.

15 posted on 05/25/2004 5:44:01 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: ex-Texan
"I refuse to be overcharged for a product just because it has a "Green" label."

For most alternative "Green" fuels, you get overcharged because it costs a lot more to produce than conventional, crude-based fuels. The only reason you are not overcharged even more is there are usually tax credits (taxpayer subsidies) attached to these materials.

There are plenty of other alternative sources that can be converted to diesel fuel, including natural gas and coal. Both of these resources would lessen the near-monopoly that OPEC currently enjoys in crude oil. Unfortunately, for the time being nothing can compete with the cost of lifting Saudi oil out of the ground.

I think the best we can do is diversify our energy sources. Hopefully this would put an upper limit on how much crude would cost.

16 posted on 05/25/2004 5:44:22 PM PDT by Boss_Jim_Gettys (I am a Republican attack dog.)
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To: IrishCatholic

Apparently they don't suck up all that much oxygen till they die, then they take so much that the fish have none left. There is much less oxygen in water than in air to begin with, and it can't be replenished fast enough. The problem is often solved in lakes around here with oxygen pumps into the water for the fish.


17 posted on 05/25/2004 5:57:26 PM PDT by graycamel
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To: ckilmer
Theres' only one Al-G I don't want:
18 posted on 05/25/2004 5:59:18 PM PDT by graycamel
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To: ex-Texan
One major problem with Biodiesel is over-pricing ! Just last month I called their local dealer and was quoted a price of $ 2.25 a gallon (compared to $ 1.86 for regular diesel). Last week I drove out to their station and saw a posted price of $ 2.46 for Biodiesel and $ 2.25 for diesel. I refuse to be overcharged for a product just because it has a "Green" label.

But how much can you bring price down when you're farming billions of gallons at a time?

19 posted on 05/25/2004 6:13:55 PM PDT by atomicpossum (I give up! Entropy, you win!)
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To: ckilmer

Cool! I could create my own fuel in my shower stall!


20 posted on 05/25/2004 6:17:11 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: DuncanWaring
Anything Into Oil 1may03

"We will be able to make oil for $8 to $12 a barrel," says Paul Baskis, the inventor of the process.
Very interesting, and nothing to say that it couldn't use algae as its feedstock. We could grow algae in the desert and export oil!

What word on this that's less than a year old??

21 posted on 05/25/2004 6:27:47 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Reeses
Algae floats. Why not just fertilize the ocean far away from land? It would also feed lots of new sea life we could eat, and suck massive amounts of carbon dioxide right out of the air, allowing everyone to drive around in SUVs, not just John Kommy's family.

They've already done successful experiments by seeding the oceans with iron to grow algae to suck up CO2.

22 posted on 05/25/2004 6:32:08 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: ckilmer
The operating costs (including power consumption, labor, chemicals, and fixed capital costs (taxes, maintenance, insurance, depreciation, and return on investment) worked out to $12,000 per hectare. That would equate to $50.7 billion per year for all the algae farms, to yield all the oil feedstock necessary for the entire country. Compare that to the more than $100 billion the US spends each year just on purchasing crude oil from foreign countries.

If this really is such a good idea the venture capitalists would have already done it. My suspicion is this paper was written by hippies smoking too much dope.

23 posted on 05/25/2004 6:34:10 PM PDT by Moonman62
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To: TADSLOS

Hey, this is the first logical exposition I've seen in a long time. Hydrogen has soooo many problems.


24 posted on 05/25/2004 6:41:02 PM PDT by FastCoyote
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To: ExSoldier
Next they'll be breeding us like cattle!

You are, of course refering to India and China.....;-)

25 posted on 05/25/2004 6:42:58 PM PDT by stboz
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To: randog

Right you are. The enviroscum aren't about keeping the environment clean, they're just another bunch of commies.


26 posted on 05/25/2004 6:45:50 PM PDT by Sofa King (MY rights are not subject to YOUR approval http://www.angelfire.com/art2/sofaking/index.html)
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To: ckilmer
There are two steps that would need to be taken for producing biodiesel on a large scale - growing the feedstocks, and processing them into biodiesel. The latter step would perhaps be best accomplished by existing oil refineries within the US being converted to biodiesel refineries, but could also be accomplished by new companies building new plants.

Hmm. Build a new refinery? Good luck.

27 posted on 05/25/2004 6:46:11 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along)
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To: Imal

You were wondering about alternative fuel sources. Here 'ya go--Soylent Oil.


28 posted on 05/25/2004 7:04:28 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: randog

Soylent Oil is people! It's peeeeeople!


29 posted on 05/25/2004 9:14:45 PM PDT by Imal (Evolution is not an across-the-board proposition.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Less than a year old?

Here's a reference to a paper presented at some conference earlier this year. (unfortunately, a couple of weeks ago someone else referenced it and I called it "pedantic". oh well)

Check some of the footnotes. It appears to be a going concern.

30 posted on 05/25/2004 10:29:32 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: nathanbedford
Publicly traded?

I don't think so.

Here's their website.

There are no references evident to "Investor Information".

31 posted on 05/25/2004 10:53:03 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (...and Freedom tastes of Reality)
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To: Husker24
They wont be happy until the U.S looks like Afganistan.

Yeah, well what pisses me off is that none of these damn hippies would last a day in genuine high desert wilderness, and most have never even seen it in person or comprehend the vastness of it. On the other hand, I've rescued hippie f**kwits who managed to get themselves stuck in the Nevada wilderness on no less than five different occasions when offroading in the vast expanses of mountains around my very remote ranch on business of one type or another.

I have no patience for those idiots. I very nicely enumerate the long list of things they did wrong and then basically tell to never show their faces out there again unless they can discard their neurotic fantasy about what the real wilderness is actually like. Maybe it is the fact that I have a pistol on my belt that they just nod and say 'yessir' to whatever I say; I've met a number who are apparently unaware that gun in the western wilderness is about as essential as your boots. Never mind the stupidity of running off 40 miles into the random wilderness without backup or adequate equipment. Those bloody twits think Central Park in Manhattan qualifies as wilderness. They can't even conceive of being 100 miles from the nearest pavement.

Feh. I am as cosmopolitan as they come, but my roots are in the extremely rural west. Nothing yanks my chain like a bunch of city slicker blowhards who think they know something about the wilderness.

32 posted on 05/26/2004 12:47:55 AM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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To: Imal

Bingo!


33 posted on 05/26/2004 8:44:33 AM PDT by null and void (The owls are not what they seem...)
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To: Moonman62

My rough estimate....it costs half the cost of oil to grow the algae (say $15/barrel, from article) plus $12/barrel to turn it into oil (TDP process) plus an unknown amount to seperate the algae from the water and concentrate it into an appropriate input. Further, it requires specialized refineries. So somewhere north of $27/barrel there is a little bit of money to START covering the costs of the investment necessary. Not economically feasible at this point. But it could be useful either if oil actually goes and stays high and it could be used to chill out the environazi 'we're running out of oil' scaremongers.


34 posted on 05/26/2004 8:58:50 AM PDT by blanknoone (I voted for before I voted against it, didn't show up for the vote except once, but left too early)
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To: ex-Texan
At this point, it's a "boutique" fuel; hence, the higher price. Here in CA, we pay more for gas than the rest of the country because of our requirements for low emission boutique fuels. It's all a question of economies of scale. Produce more of the boutique fuel and it ceases to be a pricey specialty item.
35 posted on 05/26/2004 4:04:07 PM PDT by Redcloak (Have you hugged your tagline today?)
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