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The Universe Made Simple
Atlantic Monthly ^ | 5/20/2004 | Bradley Jay

Posted on 05/25/2004 8:01:29 PM PDT by Ronzo

Edited on 06/07/2005 12:27:06 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Can you access the flash of emancipation you felt the first time you were able to stay up on a bike or propel yourself through the water? Can you remember the way your new knowledge enhanced your life? And can you recall the gratitude you felt toward those people who had the skill and the patience to pass that knowledge along to you?


(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: briangreene; cosmos; physics; quarks; science; stringtheory; universe
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1 posted on 05/25/2004 8:01:29 PM PDT by Ronzo
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To: betty boop; Alamo-Girl; tortoise; marron; Thermopylae

String theory PING!!!!


2 posted on 05/25/2004 8:02:47 PM PDT by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: Ronzo
In Greene's bold new world, for example, there are eleven dimensions and time moves not only forward, but in all directions.

Uh-oh. Bell-bottom jeans and paisley pants aren't dead after all?

3 posted on 05/25/2004 8:05:23 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
Uh-oh. Bell-bottom jeans and paisley pants aren't dead after all?

No. But don't run off to the local Wal-Mart trying to find a pair anytime soon, I think they've been sent to a parallel universe...

4 posted on 05/25/2004 8:13:30 PM PDT by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: RightWhale

Kind of an interesting article...


5 posted on 05/25/2004 8:18:10 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Ronzo; Alamo-Girl; betty boop

Cool!!! Now I understand those occasional deja-vu's I experience.


6 posted on 05/25/2004 8:20:46 PM PDT by Thermopylae
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To: Hank Kerchief
Hank,

You and your friends might find this article insteresting...

7 posted on 05/25/2004 8:24:14 PM PDT by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: Ronzo
Can you access the flash of emancipation you felt the first time you were able to stay up on a bike or propel yourself through the water?

Anybody who can "access the flash of emancipation..." has probably yet to learn how to tie his own shoes -such writing!

8 posted on 05/25/2004 8:33:01 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: blam

You're my science guru on FR, one good ping deserves another.


9 posted on 05/25/2004 8:35:53 PM PDT by jocon307 (The dems don't get it, the American people do.)
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To: Thermopylae; Ronzo; betty boop
LOLOL! I know just what you mean, Thermopylae!

Thank you so much for the article, Ronzo. I really like Green's presentations.

betty boop, you've probably already recognized the "time is a plane and not a line" phenomenon raised in discussing extra time dimensions.

10 posted on 05/25/2004 8:53:58 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Ronzo

This theory might yet explain the unresolved "lost sock" mystery!

(Or would that be the loose-string theory?)


11 posted on 05/25/2004 8:59:43 PM PDT by mikrofon (Cosmic string thread)
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The Ultimate Unified Theory of Everything includes: Photons, Croutons, Neurons, Futons, Carrions, Gravitons, Crayons, and Morons.


12 posted on 05/25/2004 9:02:28 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Ronzo

What I thought at first were flashbacks from my experimental years, I discovered were actually astral projections into one of them parallel universes. But don't ask me how I did it.


13 posted on 05/25/2004 9:03:51 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Yes I backed over the vampire, but I swear I didn't see it in my rearview mirror.)
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To: Consort
The Ultimate Unified Theory of Everything includes: Photons, Croutons, Neurons, Futons, Carrions, Gravitons, Crayons, and Morons.

You forgot 'Klingons'

14 posted on 05/25/2004 9:16:44 PM PDT by Ronzo (GOD alone is enough.)
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To: Ronzo

Non linear time flow - sounds like a Slaughterhouse-Five type of existence


15 posted on 05/25/2004 9:53:55 PM PDT by Gid_29
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To: Ronzo
I like models. Great intro to string stuff. Would it be a stretch to say maybe the strings are really like miniature bungee cords? I mean if the universe is expanding and all things remain in relative position and ratios size-wise, there's got to be a whole lot of stretching going on. Or in the case of string theory, stretching in all directions at once. Am I understanding that right, using his balloon metaphor? Can't wait to see what the message is going to be. Probably a 'Kilroy was here' scribble or a Burma- Shave road sign beamed to us by an orbital camera aimed at Tau Ceti. :>

Okay, enough of the humor. I really wanted to know why everyone uses the word, 'dimension,' as in three dimensions or even eleven dimensions when they are describing infinite space? I thought dimensions were attributes (length x width x height) of solid, finite objects. Wouldn't it be more descriptive to use the word, directions, when describing the attibutes of space? Even Bradly Jay uses the word, dimension, to describe the three attributes of space as though it were finite.

I don't think it was an accident that we have three directional space to set three-dimensional objects into. A perfect fit every time.

Well, that was just a passing thought, but I wanted to ask a better question:

Is an object moving in space having an un-interrupted journey (smooth) or is the object just changing spacial coordinates in a jerky-like motion, but in increments so tiny that it can't be physically observed, vibrating (the moving object disappearing) beyond the quantum and coming back in another location? Like the frames on a movie film which, when rolling, have the appearance of smooth motion only because of the after-images we have in our mind merges in synch with the appearance of the next frame which was actually in a different location before it was projected.

Please bear with me on this. I'm completely void of knowledge and technical terms in this field except for the few books I've read. And 'C' from where I come from is usually followed by the word, note. Thanks.

No, I'm not stringing you along here, for I think the bungee string may account for the snapping back and forth between 'dimensions' -- the end of the pendulum I've been stalking. Heh.

16 posted on 05/25/2004 10:21:28 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Ronzo

"My own feeling, therefore, is that if we are revealing God's handiwork through our research, I'm happy to be part of that journey. If, on the other hand, all we're doing is revealing laws of physics that have governed the universe from the beginning until today, then I'm happy to be part of that journey, too. So whichever framework it fits into, I think the work itself is noble and interesting and very, very worthwhile."

I like his attitude. Too often brilliant scientists are arrogant pricks.

Personally, I've got four simultaneous "paralell" lives that I am living right now. And I'm having a great time in each one!

Rod Serling, eat your heart out!!!


17 posted on 05/25/2004 10:22:14 PM PDT by fizziwig
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To: Eastbound

As far as the motion, if it refers to an living object moving, then the motions would be jerky, just because of the molecular shape of muscles and how they operate. As far as motion of an object through space, where it was merely momentum carrying it a distance, I would venture to guess that the movements would be smooth on a scale of Macro-time (what we percieve) but on a micro-scale that there is some jerkiness. It all depends on if the universe can be divided smaller than strings, onto infinity. If it can, then motion would be smooth, otherwise, both time, and motions would be jerky. Come to think of it, it would be smooth to all perceptions, whether we could observe the motions individually, because if we are living in the time reference that the motion is being observed in, then we would not see time skip, and therefore we would miss the pauses in motion that accompany the pauses in timeflow.


If this makes no snense, then its just because I'm rambling and it has turned into a train-of-thought writing style.


18 posted on 05/25/2004 10:31:26 PM PDT by Gid_29
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To: Gid_29
". . . but on a micro-scale that there is some jerkiness."

Thanks for the response,Gid. Making headway, I think. Could the micro-scale jerkiness be related to Planck time, which would translate into Planck distances as well?

19 posted on 05/25/2004 10:39:17 PM PDT by Eastbound
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To: Gid_29
"If this makes no snense, then its just because I'm rambling and it has turned into a train-of-thought writing style."

Yup, made sense. We must be on the same train of thought. Welcome to Free Republic, Gid.

20 posted on 05/25/2004 10:46:24 PM PDT by Eastbound
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