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Hamtramck Mosques Will Start Call to prayer Friday 1:30
detroit free press ^ | 5/26/04

Posted on 05/26/2004 4:36:12 AM PDT by ElisabethInCincy

Call to prayer, noise ordinance, to go before Hamtramck voters

Tuesday, May 25, 2004

BY CECIL ANGEL FREE PRESS STAFF WRITER It's now up to voters.

The decision that has split Hamtramck -- City Council approval of a noise ordinance that would have allowed the Muslim call to prayer to be broadcast on loudspeakers from the Al-Islah Islamic Center -- was affirmed by a 5-0 vote Tuesday night.

Because the council didn't rescind the ordinance, the issue will go before voters, as required by the city charter. Until then, the city must put the ordinance on hold because residents filed petitions to stop it from going into law today.

The issue could be on the ballot as early as July in a special election or in August, the next regular election.

Even though the ordinance is in limbo, the Al-Islah mosque's leaders said Tuesday night they will begin broadcasting the call to prayer in Arabic at 1:30 p.m. Friday.

Masud Khan, secretary of the Al-Islah Islamic Center, said the mosque has a constitutional right to broadcast the call to prayer, adding that it is already being done in Detroit and Dearborn.

"If Detroit can do it, why can't we?" he asked. "We have religious freedom. We can express our religion."

The mosque wouldn't be breaking any laws if it does, said Councilman Shahab Ahmed. He said the Islamic center was just being a good neighbor when it asked for the city's permission in January to begin broadcasting. It won't be penalized for using its loudspeakers to broadcast the call to prayer with or without the ordinance, he said.

Mosques in Dearborn and Detroit broadcast on loudspeakers and have done so without seeking permission from those city governments.

"I'm very disappointed it's going to a ballot and further divide the community," Ahmed said.

For Robert Zwolak, organizer of the petition drive, the issue is about noise, not religion. He's confident the ballot issue to overturn the ordinance will easily be approved by Hamtramck voters.

"I personally don't think we need a campaign," he said. "The people are aware of this thing."

But City Council President Karen Majewski said the irony of the petition drive is that it strips city control over the frequency and volume of the call-to-prayer broadcasts.

"The petition actually rescinds whatever control we might have had," Majewski said. "I don't see the logic in that."

Calls to prayer occur five times a day and last about two minutes. Officials at the Al-Islah Islamic Center say when they begin broadcasting, they will not do so in the early morning or late at night so no one will be disturbed.

Muslims have been in Hamtramck for decades, but a wave of immigration from Bangladesh, Yemen, Bosnia and other countries with large Muslim populations have boosted their numbers and political clout in the city.

The city has struggled with its changing demographics and religious and ethnic differences.

"Fear of change and fear of the unknown," are the reasons many residents signed the petitions against the call to prayer, said Councilman Rob Cedar. "I voted for this because I thought it was the right thing to do."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: hamtramck; islam; prayer
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1 posted on 05/26/2004 4:36:13 AM PDT by ElisabethInCincy
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To: ElisabethInCincy
Obviously, if the Muslims say they won't do it at night or early in the morning, the daytime "call to prayer" is unnecessary.

Do we know what they are saying?? Are they setting us up?? Kinda funny about the timing of this.

2 posted on 05/26/2004 4:42:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: ElisabethInCincy

Can these MUSLIMES get away with this?


3 posted on 05/26/2004 4:42:36 AM PDT by Arpege92 (There are no more political simpletons in the world today other than European Leftist -Yossi Halevi)
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To: ElisabethInCincy

That title could be misleading.

From a thread last nite, a petition with enough signatures was presented to the council that stopped the prayer call, (IIRC), until it is voted on by the citizens.


4 posted on 05/26/2004 4:48:47 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: TomGuy

Yes this is after the council meeting If u read. They will still do it """Even though the ordinance is in limbo, the Al-Islah mosque's leaders said Tuesday night they will begin broadcasting the call to prayer in Arabic at 1:30 p.m. Friday"""" The audacity of muslims!!


5 posted on 05/26/2004 4:56:29 AM PDT by ElisabethInCincy
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To: ElisabethInCincy
wouldn't it be horrible if somebody at the same time , say played some music REALLY loud . Something like the clashes "rock the casbah", or perhaps some Wagner. Yeah, that would be HORRIBLE. Not that I'm suggesting that , Oh no.....

CC

6 posted on 05/26/2004 4:59:35 AM PDT by Celtic Conservative (experience: that one thing you don't get until just after you needed it.)
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To: TomGuy
From a thread last nite, a petition with enough signatures was presented to the council that stopped the prayer call, (IIRC), until it is voted on by the citizens.

That thread is here...

7 posted on 05/26/2004 5:02:27 AM PDT by glock rocks (Please pray for our patriot armed forces in harm's way - and the families awaiting their safe return)
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To: ElisabethInCincy
Masud Khan, secretary of the Al-Islah Islamic Center, said the mosque has a constitutional right to broadcast the call to prayer, adding that it is already being done in Detroit and Dearborn.

"If Detroit can do it, why can't we?" he asked. "We have religious freedom. We can express our religion."

Muslims are so full of freedom of religion...

Saudi Arabia - Conversion by a Muslim to another religion is punishable by death. Bibles are illegal. Churches are illegal.

Yemen - Bans proselytizing by non-Muslims and forbids conversions. The Government does not allow the building of new non-Muslim places of worship.

Kuwait - Registration and licensing of religious groups. Members of religions not sanctioned in the Koran may not build places of worship. Prohibits organized religious education for religions other than Islam.

Egypt -Islam is the official state religion and primary source of legislation. Accordingly, religious practices that conflict with Islamic law are prohibited. Muslims may face legal problems if they convert to another faith. Requires non-Muslims to obtain what is now a presidential decree to build a place of worship.

Algeria - The law prohibits public assembly for purposes of practicing a faith other than Islam. Non-Islamic proselytizing is illegal, and the Government restricts the importation of non-Islamic literature for distribution.

Jordan - Has the death penalty for any Muslim selling land to a Jew.

(All information is from US State Department Human Rights Reports)

8 posted on 05/26/2004 5:07:47 AM PDT by 2banana (They want to die for Islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Celtic Conservative

Yeah, ANY churches in the area should play "Amazing Grace" and/or other old hymns as a "call to faith & prayer" to all Christians in the area five times a day too. I'm serious.


9 posted on 05/26/2004 5:08:08 AM PDT by Reborn
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To: ElisabethInCincy

Perhaps we need to start calling in as well... A little pressure never hurt a city council member.


10 posted on 05/26/2004 5:09:16 AM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (It's not Bush's fault... it's the media's fault!)
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To: Celtic Conservative
I was thinking something similar. How about this? Form a religion that holds pigs and monkeys to be sacred (like temple cats). Then record their screeches as 'sacred sounds'. Play it LOUD when you call your co-religionists to prayer, say, about five times a day. Pick the times at random, perhaps, but since the town will already be noisy, you can play it at the same time as the imam's call, thereby minimizing noise pollution.

Or buy the lot next door and set up a pork barbecue joint.

11 posted on 05/26/2004 5:09:27 AM PDT by 17th Miss Regt
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To: ElisabethInCincy

"The petition actually rescinds whatever control we might have had," Majewski said. "I don't see the logic in that."

The logic is by removing you from control, the people who don't want to have to listen to these heathens won't have to.


12 posted on 05/26/2004 5:10:56 AM PDT by Redcoat LI (You Can Trust Me , I'm Not Like The Others.....)
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To: 2banana
Masud Khan, secretary of the Al-Islah Islamic Center, said the mosque has a constitutional right to broadcast the call to prayer, adding that it is already being done in Detroit and Dearborn. "If Detroit can do it, why can't we?" he asked. "We have religious freedom. We can express our religion."

They'll probably have marginally more problems with the "locals" when they want to start expressing their "religious freedom" with regularly-scheduled public beheadings, but they'll eventually get favorable ordinances passed. Donchya just LOVE multi-culti? I'm not sure who I despise more, freaking raghead bastards or the willing, idiotic lapdogs who accomodate them. Curses on them all.

13 posted on 05/26/2004 5:13:44 AM PDT by MarineDad (So what's the big deal? Allah wears panties on his head, too...any you don't hear HIM complaining.)
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To: ElisabethInCincy
Masud Khan, secretary of the Al-Islah Islamic Center, said the mosque has a constitutional right to broadcast the call to prayer

No, you don't.

14 posted on 05/26/2004 5:15:00 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Celtic Conservative
wouldn't it be horrible if somebody at the same time , say played some music REALLY loud .

Or test the civil defense sirens ;-)

15 posted on 05/26/2004 5:19:48 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: ElisabethInCincy

Maybe the Fed. Govt. should buy beepers for the muslim congregants and the Mosque could just beep them at the right time for the call to prayer.
It would be a lot quieter and be right up to the state of the art in communications.
From a People subjugated since the dawn of time they sure know their rights in the good ol' U.S.A. in jig time.


16 posted on 05/26/2004 5:24:20 AM PDT by chatham
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To: ElisabethInCincy

These Council members NEED TO GO!


17 posted on 05/26/2004 5:30:19 AM PDT by Arpege92 (There are no more political simpletons in the world today other than European Leftist -Yossi Halevi)
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To: All

AMERICASTAN?


18 posted on 05/26/2004 5:31:17 AM PDT by Cronos (W2K4)
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To: chatham

Maybe the Fed. Govt. should buy beepers for the muslim congregants...


Nah, they can go to WalMart and buy an alarm clock.

19 posted on 05/26/2004 5:39:06 AM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - All donations are greatly appreciated. Thank you for your support!)
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To: ElisabethInCincy
The problem is...islam is not a religion. In order to qualify as a religion, a group of beliefs must direct believers to the highest, most noble instincts of mankind.

Islam is a hateful cult IMO. It will be interesting to see how long it takes the world to come to this reality.
20 posted on 05/26/2004 5:40:22 AM PDT by Vision (Always Faithful)
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To: ElisabethInCincy

I'm glad I moved south.


21 posted on 05/26/2004 5:41:42 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: ElisabethInCincy
They should allow the public "Call to Prayer" at the same time that Riyadh allows the ringing of the church bells.

Whenever they get a church.

22 posted on 05/26/2004 5:58:39 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: ElisabethInCincy
What has happened to the people in Michigan?????
23 posted on 05/26/2004 6:03:09 AM PDT by raybbr (My 1.4 cents - It used to be 2 cents, but after taxes - you get the idea.)
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To: ElisabethInCincy

Could be a good time to check your car's emergency equipment...


24 posted on 05/26/2004 6:22:37 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (STAGMIRE !)
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To: Celtic Conservative
"wouldn't it be horrible if somebody at the same time , say played some music REALLY loud . Something like the clashes "rock the casbah", or perhaps some Wagner. Yeah, that would be HORRIBLE. Not that I'm suggesting that , Oh no..... "

I was thinking the same thing myself. If everyone in town that is opposed to this played some really loud and raunchy music, all the same song, all at the same time, they'd drown out their "prayer" calls.

25 posted on 05/26/2004 7:08:40 AM PDT by Chi-Town Lady
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To: ElisabethInCincy
My suggestion:


26 posted on 05/26/2004 7:12:02 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
LOL! I saw that on some islamonutjob website.

The closest equivalent to their "call to prayer" which is really a prayer affirming the arabian moon god is the only god, would be something like the Apostles Creed.

That would be the thing to do: All churches in Hamtramck, and all the non-mussulman neighbors of the catarwallering mosque should play, at the same time and at the same volume as the islamic broadcasts, the Apostles Creed read by the evangelist, bishop, or Cardinal of their choice.

27 posted on 05/26/2004 8:19:07 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Reborn
Yeah, ANY churches in the area should play "Amazing Grace" and/or other old hymns as a "call to faith & prayer" to all Christians in the area five times a day too. I'm serious

I like this.If you're going to play "amazing grace", let it it be the massed pipes of the scottish national orchestra and pipe band.Brilliant and LOUD

CC

28 posted on 05/26/2004 12:30:51 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (experience: that one thing you don't get until just after you needed it.)
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To: raybbr
What has happened to the people in Michigan?????

Most of us are still o.k. Wayne county (Detroit) however is a lost cause.

CC

29 posted on 05/26/2004 12:34:17 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (experience: that one thing you don't get until just after you needed it.)
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To: MarineDad

Publicly scheduled beheadings are nothing. The real Mohamedan sacraments are murder-suicide bombings and flying airliners into major buildings.


30 posted on 05/26/2004 12:54:46 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: 2banana

Add another to the list (although there are lots more):

Sudan where over 2 million Christians and animists have been murdered in the name of the disease called Mohamedanism.


31 posted on 05/26/2004 12:58:58 PM PDT by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent---then Destroy)
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To: Reborn
Yeah, ANY churches in the area should play "Amazing Grace" and/or other old hymns as a "call to faith & prayer" to all Christians in the area five times a day too. I'm serious.

Better yet, a reading of the Apostle's Creed, in Arabic AND English, gotta be sensitive, ya know.

32 posted on 05/26/2004 1:08:35 PM PDT by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: CatoRenasci

Ooops, I didn't read down far enough before posting #32.


33 posted on 05/26/2004 1:11:12 PM PDT by j_tull ("I may make you feel, but I can't make you think.")
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To: ElisabethInCincy

These mussees are certainly being provacative, here.


34 posted on 05/26/2004 1:18:34 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: Semper Paratus

In order to work in Saudi Arabia,Workers had to sign a contract " Not to wear Crosses or Star oF David medallions".
But it was OK with the Stinko Saudi's that american Soldiers
put their lives on the line for these despicable Heathens.

Our Govt. went along with the charade.


35 posted on 05/27/2004 5:56:26 AM PDT by chatham
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To: Celtic Conservative

My personal preference would be Handels "Messiah."


36 posted on 05/27/2004 5:59:06 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

Who in the Muslim community surrounding the pork restaurant, are going to buy the meat? No one. Bankruptcy.


37 posted on 05/27/2004 6:01:29 AM PDT by Pan_Yans Wife (Pride the first peer and president of hell.-- Daniel Defoe)
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To: ElisabethInCincy

So what happened, if anything, today (Friday) ?


38 posted on 05/28/2004 5:19:56 PM PDT by 1066AD
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39 posted on 05/28/2004 5:35:03 PM PDT by Consort
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To: All

The silence of the ACLU is deafening.


40 posted on 05/28/2004 5:39:40 PM PDT by nycgal
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To: 1066AD

Bttt!


41 posted on 05/28/2004 5:44:08 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench

Apparently it started:
http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3358067/detail.html


42 posted on 05/28/2004 6:01:40 PM PDT by 1066AD
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To: 1066AD

Thanks!!


43 posted on 05/28/2004 6:06:00 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: 1066AD

http://www.freep.com/news/religion/call28_20040528.htm Here's a story I found with alot more detail.


44 posted on 05/31/2004 2:48:42 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: ElisabethInCincy; FITZ; dennisw; NewRomeTacitus; wardaddy; Eurotwit
This will be the practical effect of broadcasting the "Muslim call to murder" from loudspeakers in a given town: it will drive out the non-Muslims, and cause an immediate crash in property values. Then the Muslim community will pick up these fire-sale properties cheap, and offer them on easy terms to other Muslims immigrants pouring into America. A decade after beginnging the Muslim call to murder, we will see Muslim-only enclaves.

Then the local immams will push for "sharia law zones," as they are doing today in Canada. Strictly on a voluntary basis, ya know. You know how Muslim wives "volunteer," right?

ALLAHU AKBAR = THE MUSLIM CALL TO MURDER. Just ask Nick Berg or Danny Pearl.

45 posted on 05/31/2004 2:56:30 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Sacajaweau
Do we know what they are saying?? Are they setting us up?? Kinda funny about the timing of this.

This is all part of the jihad they have declared against us.

46 posted on 05/31/2004 3:11:22 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Travis McGee
I imagine that both you and I know how to render these speakers moot from a distance. Works for cameras, too.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

47 posted on 05/31/2004 3:13:49 PM PDT by Joe Brower (The Constitution defines Conservatism.)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee

Beat me to it ;^ )


48 posted on 05/31/2004 3:17:30 PM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: 2banana
Muslims are so full of freedom of religion...

This is why we've got to be more selective with our immigrants --- these people have no belief at all in freedom of religion, you can see when they get their sharia laws set up that they never allow for freedom of religion. It's like some big laugh they're having at us --- but at the same time they do intend to take this country over. When they finally get sharia law in place --- there will be no more churches.

49 posted on 05/31/2004 3:18:41 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: Arpege92
Can these MUSLIMES get away with this?

They can if we let them --- why on earth is our government allowing so many to immigrate here like this??? Send them back to their Islamic paradises --- we definitely don't need this kind of immigrant. And if they can blast their crap over loudspeakers, it seems Americans have the same right to blast whatever we want over loudspeakers right back at them. I'd be for really loud Metallica music. But good Christian music would be fine also.

50 posted on 05/31/2004 3:29:41 PM PDT by FITZ
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