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The Low-Down On Zinni (Unsavory Associations, Background Revealed! BUSTED!)
The American Thinker ^ | 5/26/04 | Douglas Hanson

Posted on 05/26/2004 5:06:36 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

The latest retired general to voice his concerns over the strategy to topple Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq has been Anthony Zinni.  Naturally, the good general has co-authored a book with (surprise!) Tom Clancy, criticizing the war with Iraq.  The anti-Semitic undercurrent of the general’s interview on 60 minutes is discussed at length in Richard Baehr’s excellent piece  in The American Thinker.  Most Americans know that Gen. Zinni was the former Commanding General of CENTCOM, but few know his previous military background in that theater of operations, nor do they completely understand his current political leanings on the subject of conflict and war.  

Gen. Zinni had been Deputy Commanding General for Operation Provide Comfort, immediately after Gulf War I. But his first command in the region was as the I Marine Expeditionary Force Commander assigned to execute Operation UNITED SHIELD, which was USCENTCOM’s operation to withdraw all UN forces from Somalia in January 1995. By this time, all US forces had already withdrawn under orders from President Clinton and overseen by the CENTCOM commander, Marine Gen. Hoar (retired Gen. Hoar has also come out against Operation Iraqi Freedom).  

In August 1997, Gen. Zinni assumed command of CENTCOM.  During his command, the following major actions occurred in theater:  

- Provided disaster relief to victims of flooding in Kenya.  

- The U.S. Embassies in Nairobi and Tanzania were bombed by terrorists; USCENTCOM responded to the bombings by conducting cruise missile strikes against aspirin factories and nearly deserted terrorist camps of Osama Bin Laden.  

- The U.S.S. Cole was bombed in Aden by al Qaeda. The rules of engagement in force under General Zinni's command enabled the terrorists to approach the Cole close enough to kill our sailors and critically damage the ship.  

- In December 1998, USCENTCOM launched Operation DESERT FOX which was a four-day operation theoretically to delay development of weapons of mass destruction, and to disrupt or destroy Iraq’s national command and control nodes.  

- Gen. Zinni oversaw the large-scale, yet routine Bright Star Exercise, which can trace its origin to the early 80s Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force (RDJTF).  

- Conducted “engagement” operations (whatever that means) with the recently independent Central Asian states of the Former Soviet Union.  

So, it appears that Gen. Zinni and CENTCOM had become very proficient at troop withdrawals, disaster relief, and shooting cruise missiles at empty tents.  To be fair, Gen. Zinni was but the last in line of three CENTCOM commanders (the others being Hoar and Peay), who were essentially outmaneuvered by Iran. Even worse, they allowed a build-up of Iranian forces in the Persian Gulf and the Horn of Africa. These moves were countered by nothing stronger than the strategies of withdrawal (Somalia), shows of force, and the ever-popular but widely misunderstood concept of “engagement.”  

But Gen. Zinni’s current affiliations are even more interesting, given his severe criticism of the President’s actions in the War on Terror and the liberation of Iraq.  It seems the General is a Distinguished Military Fellow on the Washington, D.C. staff of the Center for Defense Information www.cdi.org.  The mission statement for this organization is:  

dedicated to strengthening security through: international cooperation; reduced reliance on unilateral military power [emphasis mine] to resolve conflict; reduced reliance on nuclear weapons; a transformed and reformed military establishment; and, prudent oversight of, and spending on, defense programs.  

A quick glance of the list of people on CDI’s Board of Advisors includes such great military thinkers and left wing activists and donors as:  

- Ben Cohen - Founder, Ben & Jerry's Homemade, Inc., South Burlington, Vt.  

- Paul Newman - Motion Pictures, Los Angeles, Calif.  

- Joanne Woodward - Actress-Director, Westport, Conn.  

An assessment of CDI during the height of the Cold War highlighted its founding and core philosophy:  

Formed in 1973 as a project of the tax-exempt Fund for Peace(FFP).  CDI and its sister FFP projects - the Center for National Security Studies(CNSS) and the Center for International Policy(CIP) - are spin-offs from projects initiated by the Institute for Policy Studies(IPS), the Washington-based , internationally active revolutionary think-tank.  

CDI’s military members include former military officers, intelligence officers and academics who share attitudes of harsh antagonism toward the U.S. national defense, the U.S. military, the NATO alliance and American foreign policy.  

CDI’s former military officers were frequently quoted by the Soviet propaganda organs to legitimize their attacks on NATO and U.S. defense forces as trigger-happy dangers to peace. Although CDI states it "supports a strong defense but opposes excessive expenditures or forces," it has opposed every major new U.S. weapons system developed during the past two decades - from the B-1 bomber and Trident submarine to cruise missiles, neutron warheads, and stealth bomber - as upsetting the U.S.-Soviet strategic balance while at the same time minimizing the Soviet military buildup.  

To this day, CDI maintains an office in Moscow, Russia staffed by a Mr. Ivan Safranchuk, who is described as a “well-known nuclear analyst in Russia.”  The purpose of the Moscow CDI office is to provide “the Russian media and public with independent, unfiltered information about U.S.-Russian security relations, from nuclear policy to NATO environmental issues.”

This begs the question: What would motivate a retired four-star Marine general to join such an organization as this?

That retired Gen. Zinni would fall in with this bunch makes perfect sense after a stint at CENTCOM that included half-measures against Saddam’s regime and disaster relief operations as his claim to fame.  It’s a shame that he can’t see the failure of the false policy of containment and sanctions that were right in his own backyard, but it’s a scandal that his critique of the current war can’t get beyond the subtle anti-Semitic complaints against people who actually wanted to take action to solve the problem.  

His actions demonstrate that he is in perfect company with Richard Clarke and Joe Wilson.


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1 posted on 05/26/2004 5:06:38 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

General Zinni was so "unsavory" that current President Bush appointed him his envoy for the Middle East. He's so "unsavory" that he was a distinguished Marine general and combat veteran with forty years experience. He's so "unsavory" that he's one of the best speakers I've ever heard on national TV.


2 posted on 05/26/2004 5:10:43 AM PDT by laconic
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Ping.


3 posted on 05/26/2004 5:11:50 AM PDT by OKSooner
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To: laconic
General Zinni was so "unsavory" that current President Bush appointed him his envoy for the Middle East

And he was also dismissed, probably because he is to pro-arafat.

Zinni has an animus towards the state of Israel.

4 posted on 05/26/2004 5:14:57 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Travis McGee

Tom Clancy is keeping strange company!

CDI has always been used by the lib media to trot out anti-war commentary by retired military brass.


5 posted on 05/26/2004 5:16:55 AM PDT by maica (Member of Republican Attack Machine, RAM, previously known as the VRWC)
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To: laconic
He's so "unsavory" that he's

... in bed with the Moscow-centered CDI.

6 posted on 05/26/2004 5:18:56 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: laconic
ISLAMABAD, Oct 7: Former US Centcom chief, General Anthony Zinni, is arriving here on Oct 24 in his capacity as a director of a multinational company which wants to invest in Pakistan's telecommunication industry.

A Pakistani-American who is a partner in Gen Zinni's company, claims that the initial investment will be between $120 million to $150 million that might expand to $5 billion over a period of 10 years.

Talking to Dawn he said Gen Zinnie would stay here for two days. He said the general, who is special envoy of President Bush on the Middle East, would meet Pakistani high-ups but his schedule was still being worked out.

Asad Kazmi, the Pakistani American who represents the company in Pakistan, said the general was coming here "on the call of the people and the government of Pakistan." President Musharraf, he said, in his visits to the US had urged the Pakistani community to invest in Pakistan. "And here I am," he told Dawn . "I have brought a major American company with Gen Zinni as its director to come and invest in Pakistan."

According to Mr Kazmi the major area of their interest is wireless local loop, long distance international, PTCL privatization, particularly GSM cellular license. He said his company is also exploring avenues in energy sector.

He claimed that the company he is representing was telecommunications giant with branches in 42 countries. This will be major investment venture in Pakistan after the controversial IPPs and, more specifically, 9/11.

Mr Kazmi said the general's visit was purely business and not political. But the general has great love for Pakistan and has always supported it. He has also expressed his "fondness for Pakistan" in his correspondence with Pakistani concerns here. Company chairman Eric Ram has already visited Pakistan and interacted with several official and private concerns.

Mr Kazmi said one of the reasons for the investment is that "we want to dispel this impression that Pakistan has a security problem and does not have an investment-conducive environment." The fact that the person of general Zinni's standing, he said, was coming here to invest proved that Pakistan offered lot of potential.

"Believe me, Pakistan is one of the most underestimated places for investment," he said, adding, " this has been the primary reason that he has been able to convince his American counterparts."

http://dailymailnews.com/200310/26/news/102.html

7 posted on 05/26/2004 5:19:00 AM PDT by Dane
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To: Alouette; SJackson; veronica; Slings and Arrows

Ping


8 posted on 05/26/2004 5:19:44 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: laconic
He's so "unsavory" that he's one of the best speakers I've ever heard on national TV.

I don't know if he's "unsavory" but I know his advice to his CIC as CENTCOM was a miserable failure.

I also know that Sean Hannity had him twisted in knots the other night on TV after one simple statement.

9 posted on 05/26/2004 5:20:34 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CWOJackson; Miss Marple

BTTT


10 posted on 05/26/2004 5:21:12 AM PDT by Dane
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To: laconic; CWOJackson
He's also the guy who opposed any retaliation for the attack on the USS Cole on the grounds that it would annoy the Pakistanis...and he's now the guy who's involved in a 150-megabuck telecommunications venture in Pakistan. I guess he didn't want to jeopardize his golden parachute.

Yeah, he's pretty damn unsavory.

11 posted on 05/26/2004 5:21:59 AM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: jwalsh07

"I also know that Sean Hannity had him twisted in knots the other night on TV after one simple statement."

Missed it. What happened?


12 posted on 05/26/2004 5:25:48 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: laconic
General Zinni was so "unsavory" that current President Bush appointed him his envoy for the Middle East.

Based on the recommendation of Zinni's good friend, Colin Powell.

13 posted on 05/26/2004 5:27:11 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Lee'sGhost
Sean quoted Clinton speaking about the dangers of Iraqs WMD's. Sean didn't tell Zinni it was a Clinton quote and asked Zinni to comment on it.

Sean that hit him with the right cross after Zinni said it was all lies and distortions by the Bush Neocons. Baddabing!

14 posted on 05/26/2004 5:28:45 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

"I don't know if he's "unsavory" but I know his advice to his CIC as CENTCOM was a miserable failure.

I also know that Sean Hannity had him twisted in knots the other night on TV after one simple statement."

I missed Hannity's exchange with Clancy and Zinni, but he said yesterday they cursed him after they got off camera.

As for Clancy, he's had a problem with the Bush family for over a decade. Pretty sure Bush the Elder was the "model" for the President in "Clear and Present Danger"....no missing Poindexter in that book as "Admiral Cutter".


15 posted on 05/26/2004 5:30:09 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: jwalsh07

OOOOOoooooo! Wish I had seen that.


16 posted on 05/26/2004 5:32:19 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Badeye
See #14.

Zinni reacted poorly to the information that the quote was from Clinton during Zinni's time as CENTCOM dude in charge. The interview was, for all intents and pruposes, over. Zinni was flustered but Clancy was chuckling when Sean said they were Clitnons remarks.

Sean could have put the icing on the cake by asking Zinni how many American soldiers and sailors lying dead would it take before he recommended actions stronger than lobbing cruise missiles at camels butts in response to Khobar and the USS Cole.

17 posted on 05/26/2004 5:34:33 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07; hchutch
Sean quoted Clinton speaking about the dangers of Iraqs WMD's. Sean didn't tell Zinni it was a Clinton quote and asked Zinni to comment on it.

"Here, General, I'm going to pull this pin on Mister Hand Grenade and pass him to you."

Sean that hit him with the right cross after Zinni said it was all lies and distortions by the Bush Neocons. Baddabing!

"Uh, General, aren't you supposed to throw the grenade BEFORE it goes off?"

18 posted on 05/26/2004 5:34:39 AM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: Poohbah
LOL, that was about the size of it. I was surprised how flustered a retired Marine Corps Three Star got after that.
19 posted on 05/26/2004 5:36:40 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: laconic

"General Zinni was so 'unsavory' that current President Bush appointed him his envoy for the Middle East."

Yeah, but Bush regretted that appointment and ended up dumping Zinni.


20 posted on 05/26/2004 5:37:40 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
- The U.S.S. Cole was bombed in Aden by al Qaeda. The rules of engagement in force under General Zinni's command enabled the terrorists to approach the Cole close enough to kill our sailors and critically damage the ship.

It was Zinni's decision to have the USS COle refuel at Aden, against all better judgement. he put that ship in danger, practically left it defenselss in that terrorist hellhole and then prevented any respectable retaliation. Zinni's had his head up his butt for years.

21 posted on 05/26/2004 5:40:42 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: jwalsh07

"Sean could have put the icing on the cake by asking Zinni how many American soldiers and sailors lying dead would it take before he recommended actions stronger than lobbing cruise missiles at camels butts in response to Khobar and the USS Cole."

I love to pose that question to liberals. If you time it right, they choke on whatever beverage they might be drinking.....(grin)

Nothing quite as fun as a Liberal thats flustered, and half drowning from a soft drink!


22 posted on 05/26/2004 5:46:24 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: laconic
as a former vet and the uncle of a Marine who served in the 1st MEU, special ops groups; I share your desire to support military guys, but I know that in this world some people will exchange their country for another if they think something is wrong. Our most famous example is not Kerry but Benedict Arnold.

Being a good general did not stop Omar Bradley from stopping Patton and causing the Battle of the Bulge to happen because of his "belief" that Patton was wrong in how to KILL GERMANS. More people died at the Bulge than D Day. Being a good general once does not make you right forever.

23 posted on 05/26/2004 5:48:38 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: laconic
Yeah...he's a real good speaker...take a gander at one of his speeches from 2000...

Finally, despite damage inflicted by Operation DESERT FOX strikes, Iraq has not forgone its missile and WMD programs and continues to resist the reintroduction of United Nations arms inspectors.While Iraq's WMD capabilities were degraded under UN supervision and set back by Coalition strikes, some capabilities remain and others could quickly be regenerated. Despite claims that WMD efforts have ceased, Iraq probably is continuing clandestine nuclear research, retains stocks of chemical and biological munitions, and is concealing extended-range SCUD missiles, possibly equipped with CBW payloads. Even if Baghdad reversed its course and surrendered all WMD capabilities, it retains the scientific, technical, and industrial infrastructure to replace agents and munitions within weeks or months.

A special concern is the absence of a UN inspection and monitoring presence, which until December 1998 had been paramount to preventing large-scale resumption of prohibited weapons programs.A new disarmament regime must be reintroduced into Iraq as soon as possible and allowed to carry out the mandates dictated by the post-Gulf War UN resolutions. The Iraqi regime's high regard for WMD and long-range missiles is our best indicator that a peaceful regime under Saddam Hussein is unlikely.Clearly, the proliferation of advanced weapons and associated technology is reaching alarming proportions in the Central Region and impacting both our regional relationships and the execution of our mission.

I remain deeply concerned that extremists may turn to WMD in an effort to make more sensational political statements and overcome improved U.S. defenses against conventional attack. There is evidence that some elements in our region are exploring rudimentary chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Detecting plans for a specific WMD attack is extremely difficult, making it likely such an event would occur without warning.

Iraq remains the most significant near-term threat to U.S. interests in the Arabian Gulf region. This is primarily due to its large conventional military force, pursuit of WMD, oppressive treatment of Iraqi citizens, refusal to comply with United Nations Security Council Resolutions (UNSCR), persistent threats to enforcement of the No Fly Zones (NFZ), and continued efforts to violate UN Security Council sanctions through oil smuggling. On December 17, 1999, the United Nations Security Council passed United Nations Security Council Resolution (UNSCR) 1284. This resolution authorizes the replacement of the United Nations Special Commission on Monitoring with the United Nations Monitoring, Verification, and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC).

Iraq's conventional military force continues to pose a threat to our regional partners who do not individually possess the capability to deter or stop an Iraqi invasion without U.S. assistance. Saddam's air and air defense forces have repeatedly attempted to challenge the Coalition's air patrols in the Northern and Southern NFZ during the past year. Iraqi conventional air defense forces have been degraded as a result of Coalition responses to Iraqi attacks, in addition to the slow decline resulting from UN sanctions. Despite setbacks and problems, Iraq persists in its deliberate attempts to shoot down Coalition aircraft. Because of these attempts, we must continue to give our pilots the ability to respond effectively against these unprovoked attacks. Current Rules of Engagement are fully adequate to enable them to do that.

Iraq continues a pattern of selective compliance with UN sanctions. Past behavior indicates that Saddam Hussein abides by international obligations only when he perceives them to be in his personal best interest. I believe that Iraq is likely to remain a significant threat to the region for the foreseeable future.

Zinni Testimony to the Armed Services Committee

He's also an opportunist currently trying to sell a book that has no basis in fact. Savor that one...

24 posted on 05/26/2004 5:49:58 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: jwalsh07
Sean quoted Clinton speaking about the dangers of Iraqs WMD's. Sean didn't tell Zinni it was a Clinton quote and asked Zinni to comment on it. Sean that hit him with the right cross after Zinni said it was all lies and distortions by the Bush Neocons. Baddabing!

Sean did the same thing to Robert Reich on his radio show about a week ago, although that time he used Kerry quotes. It was hilarious! It was in front of a live audience, and Reich was dumbfounded. He never recovered and simply digressed to attacking the audience for being a bunch of right wing fanatics.

25 posted on 05/26/2004 5:52:54 AM PDT by irishlass
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Zinni and Clancy were on the PBS Charlie Rose Show last night. I tuned in shortly after the interview began and watched for a half hour. Clancy literally never said anything at all, didn't even clear his throat, itting there like a bored valet. Zinni's beef is against Rumsfeld, "the civilian leadership" at Defense and the intel community. He said we should have worked even longer with the UN (though Charlie did not ask how many Security Council resolutions beyond the 17 we had would be sufficient to get the job done. ).

Being a nice man, Rose did not ask Zinni why he sent those 17 sailors aboard the Cole into an indefensible position in the terrorist-infested Yemeni port of Aden.

26 posted on 05/26/2004 5:53:20 AM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

One more of Hillry's generals.


27 posted on 05/26/2004 5:55:06 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: jwalsh07; hchutch

Three rules that, if understood and heeded, lead to a long life:

1. Incoming fire has the right-of-way.

2. Once the pin is pulled, Mister Hand Grenade is no longer your friend.

3. An uncaged Sidewinder has no friends.


28 posted on 05/26/2004 5:58:07 AM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: jwalsh07
Sean could have put the icing on the cake by asking Zinni how many American soldiers and sailors lying dead would it take before he recommended actions stronger than lobbing cruise missiles at camels butts in response to Khobar and the USS Cole.

He already answered that question in 1998:

Asked about the military rules under which Zinni might have the authority to again re-target Iraq, he said he would only have the right to take action if Saddam Hussein's forces took some offensive action against U.S. military forces who are enforcing sanctions against Iraq through the no-fly zones in the north and south of Iraq or through the nearby maritime intercept operations.

Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction Capabilities Diminished

One more quote from 2000 for good measure:

What we ended up with after the Cold War was chaos. It is getting worse. The number of failed or incapable states are going to grow. The growth of extremism. The danger now with things like weapons of mass destruction. We are going to have a WMD event. Mark my words. Will it be on the battlefield or will it be back here in Tampa or New York City? I don’t know. But we will have one, and that is going to be a wake-up call. It is a dangerous world out there. We need to make the commitment and understand that if we want to maintain our position in the world, then we need the capability to provide for the world to be a safe place, to be a place that is stable.

General Anthony C. Zinni Commander in Chief, Central Command AFA Air Warfare Symposium 2000

He saw the threat back then...what happened? Oh that's right...he's trying to sell a book.

29 posted on 05/26/2004 6:02:07 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: ravingnutter

Nice research, very nice.


30 posted on 05/26/2004 6:03:51 AM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Just mythoughts
One more of Hillry's generals.

... and still willingly yoked in her service, apparently. :)

31 posted on 05/26/2004 6:04:06 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
So, it appears that Gen. Zinni and CENTCOM had become very proficient at troop withdrawals, disaster relief, and shooting cruise missiles at empty tents

Why is this Zinni's doing? Seem like you are the bigot! Do you really think Clinton would have ordered anything different. The Commander in Chief decides what military actions are taken. Gen Zinni may have offered advice but you have no way of knowing what his advice was because it remains confidential and covered by executive privilege. BTW, more of the advice would have come from the Pentagon, not CENTCOM. That level decides how to execute the commands, not what the commands should be. That is like blaming General Tommy Franks for deciding to invade Iraq.

32 posted on 05/26/2004 6:04:20 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: laconic
"General Zinni was so "unsavory" that current President Bush appointed him his envoy for the Middle East. He's so "unsavory" that he was a distinguished Marine general and combat veteran with forty years experience. He's so "unsavory" that he's one of the best speakers I've ever heard on national TV."

Bush has a habit of reaching out to his critics (which his critics do not have the grace to reciprocate in, another reason why W will win in November), inviting Teddy to the WH to the movies at the WH, etc., The fact is, in a time of war, Zinni is involved in a project demoralizing to our troops, second guessing everything about the war. People in Iraq want to kill my son. Those people are drawing strength, hope and encouragement from Anthony Zinni. Forty years of service does not grant one an exemption from being responsible and supporting our troops.

Where was he before the war? Why wasn't he hitting the talk circuit then? Why wasn't he telling us that the WMD intel was "phoney?" It was exactly the same intel he had in 2000.

33 posted on 05/26/2004 6:04:54 AM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

One thing for certain is Zinni doesn't care for 'neocon' Jews... American or Israeli.


34 posted on 05/26/2004 6:05:13 AM PDT by johnny7 (“You can call me Meyer!” Herman Goering)
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To: Dave S

Zinni is and was stuck so far up Toon's behind you'd need a scanning electron proctoscope to locate the general when he's at home.


35 posted on 05/26/2004 6:06:28 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Dave S; CWOJackson; hchutch

Zinni ordered the USS Cole to refuel in Yemen instead of refueling underway, and gave a lot of advance notice to the Yemeni government (and, hence, to al-Qaeda). He then opposed any retaliation for the attack on the Cole, stating that it would annoy the Pakistanis.

He now is a director in a Pakistani telecommunications venture.

He got his golden parachute. All it cost was 17 American sailors.


36 posted on 05/26/2004 6:07:52 AM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

Zinni would be a perfect fit in John F'n Kerry's Joint Chiefs.....


37 posted on 05/26/2004 6:07:53 AM PDT by b4its2late
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I do not recall any other point in history when so many "generals" have taken to print and tube to fall under the spell of a want a be president.

Gives one a better focus as to why it was that Armed Service Committee the "OWED" one got herself placed upon. The "neck" most venerable and necessary part of maintaining "freedom".
38 posted on 05/26/2004 6:08:01 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Dave S
Seem like you are the bigot!

I'm certainly "bigoted" against American military men gleefully hopping into bed with the Moscow-centered CDI. Why; aren't you...?

Do you really think Clinton would have ordered anything different.

I don't hold my CICs (or the men supposedly serving faithfully under them) to the standards of a Bill Clinton. I set the bar a good deal higher than that, actually.

Apparently: you and I differ on that score.

39 posted on 05/26/2004 6:08:29 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: mewzilla
Zinni is and was stuck so far up Toon's behind you'd need a scanning electron proctoscope to locate the general when he's at home.

Thanks for your insight and analysis?

40 posted on 05/26/2004 6:08:40 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Dave S

You're welcome, but it's not just mine :)


41 posted on 05/26/2004 6:09:21 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle

I knew that most of our worst enemies are inside our own borders. I didn't realize that some of them are (were) high up in our own military.


42 posted on 05/26/2004 6:10:11 AM PDT by SiliconValleyGuy
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To: johnny7
One thing for certain is Zinni doesn't care for 'neocon' Jews... American or Israeli.

Saying that Zinni "doesn't care for 'necon' Jews... American or Israel" is rather like stating that Paris Hilton has a wee , eensy li'l problem with keeping her knees together. :)

43 posted on 05/26/2004 6:11:24 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
I don't hold my CICs (or the men supposedly serving faithfully under them) to the standards of a Bill Clinton. I set the bar a good deal higher than that, actually

What was Zinni supposed to do, head up a coup and topple Clinton if he disagreed with Clinton directives? Or just end his career so you would be so happy? How many times have you chosen to sabotage your career to live up to your standards?

44 posted on 05/26/2004 6:11:27 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Badeye

Clancy's personal life has been a disaster for a number of years. It's a wonder he can churn out a sentence, much less a book.


45 posted on 05/26/2004 6:11:48 AM PDT by Mamzelle (for a post-neo conservatism)
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To: Mamzelle

bttt


46 posted on 05/26/2004 6:14:07 AM PDT by Guenevere (..., .Press on toward the goal!)
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To: Mamzelle

"Clancy's personal life has been a disaster for a number of years. It's a wonder he can churn out a sentence, much less a book."

I think he's been unable to cope with the end of the Cold War as it relates to his profession as a writer. I'll also note he hasn't really written a book on his own in what, eight or nine years now? He's been using ghost writters for one "series" or another....when he isn't using real warriors as "co authors" for his series of books on modern warfare.

I will note on thing that occured to me after reading about his appearance on H & C. I thought the movie "Sum of All Fears" was screwed up by Hollywood's penchant for political correctness, which resulted in what would have been a HUGE blockbuster turing into a B movie that didn't turn a profit.

Now, I'm beginning to think Clancy had an active hand in turning it into a liberal morass of ill defined story line, with poor character portrayals. Had they stayed true to the books theme, it would have been a huge hit in a post 9/11 world. And Affleck wouldn't be so much the butt of latenight jokes concerning his ongoing series of bombs.


47 posted on 05/26/2004 6:19:33 AM PDT by Badeye
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To: laconic
Pretty good speaker (on CBS) who glossed over German and French munitions payrolls tied to Sadaam's Iraq. Not too bad if you ignore the UN food for oil kickback scheme.
No...not too bad, if you ignore recent history, haven't read a newspaper or have been living in a cave.
48 posted on 05/26/2004 6:20:00 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (STAGMIRE !)
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To: ravingnutter
It bears repeating:

From Zinni's sworn testimony as to the facts, a few months before Bush was elected:

" Clearly, the proliferation of advanced weapons and associated technology is reaching alarming proportions......"

"...... Detecting plans for a specific WMD attack is extremely difficult, making it likely such an event would occur without warning.

49 posted on 05/26/2004 6:22:45 AM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: Dave S
How many times have you chosen to sabotage your career to live up to your standards?

I wasn't aware, certainly, that refusing to swap spit with the comrades over at the CDI translated so readily into "sabotaging his career."

Of course: this begs the question, ultimately, as to which master(s) -- foreign or domestic -- said career was in service of, doesn't it...?

50 posted on 05/26/2004 6:27:12 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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