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Latinos demand law on licenses [Identification as illegal would be like Jew wearing Star of David]
SFGate ^ | 5-26-04

Posted on 05/26/2004 7:59:42 AM PDT by SJackson

Governor pressed to back bill giving illegals right to drive

Sacramento -- The Legislature's powerful Latino caucus says it is losing patience with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for so far failing to support compromise legislation that would let illegal immigrants obtain driver's licenses.

The 24 lawmakers will meet with Schwarzenegger on Thursday and plan to say they expect him to keep his promise to support an alternative to the driver's license bill that lawmakers repealed shortly after he won the recall election.

Setting up a possible showdown with the popular governor, the caucus, the chief advocate of allowing undocumented immigrants the right to have driver's licenses, intends to push ahead with a new bill with or without Schwarzenegger's support. And some Latino lawmakers said they may withhold their votes on his budget proposal if he does not agree to a compromise on the driver's license legislation.

"The governor will be clear after the meeting that this measure will be our highest priority, and we intend to do everything possible to ensure its passage," said Assemblyman Marco Firebaugh, D-Los Angeles, who is chair of the Latino Caucus. "The governor told us it would be resolved before June; June is fast approaching."

Democratic lawmakers reluctantly agreed in December to repeal a law that would have allowed the state's 2 million undocumented workers to obtain driver's licenses after its opponents gathered enough signatures to put a referendum on the ballot.

The law was signed by Gov. Gray Davis during the recall election campaign. Critics charged Davis was blatantly attempting to woo Latino voters because he had vetoed two earlier versions of the bill. Opponents of the law said it undermined immigration laws and would assist terrorists seeking to obtain identity documents.

Schwarzenegger, who had campaigned against the law, pledged upon its repeal to work on a "sensible solution" to the safety issues posed by undocumented immigrants driving on California roads and highways without licenses. But in the following six months, little progress has been made.

A spokeswoman for the governor said talks are continuing.

"We are not focused on the timing, we're focused on getting the policy right," said Margita Thompson, Schwarzenegger's spokeswoman.

She said there is no time line for getting a bill passed. Lawmakers who had put their faith in the governor for a prompt resolution of the issue said they are growing impatient.

"The time is now," said Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Los Angeles, who authored the measure and then agreed to its repeal after getting the governor's assurance that they would work together on a new bill.

"We listened very carefully to all the concerns raised by the Legislature, the governor and the public, and we're working to present a bill that is responsive to the concerns raised," he said.

Cedillo said if the governor does not sign on, he will move forward without him.

The governor's main concerns have been on security and requiring insurance.

The bill, to be introduced next week, will include background checks and a higher processing fee to avoid costs to the state and may require applicants to take citizenship classes.

The bill would also make it clear that non-citizens could not use the license to vote, serve on juries or buy firearms. There will be no distinguishing mark on the license, however, something Cedillo likens to Jews having to wear a Star of David as identification in Nazi-held Europe.

Since all motorists are currently required to have insurance, it is not clear that anything extra needs to be done in that area for illegal immigrants.

The language of the bill will also reflect polls taken by Cedillo's office that show most voters support granting a license if it gets undocumented workers into the naturalization process.

While members of the Latino Caucus have yet to meet to discuss their strategy on the bill, some are ready to resist Schwarzenegger's budget if he does not follow through.

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"Leverage -- it's what we have," Escutia said. "The governor has learned that lesson. He is quite adept at using his celebrity as leverage. My challenge is to convince Democrats to put this in the mix."

UC Berkeley political science Professor Bruce Cain said this is the first IOU that the governor is going to have to repay.

....snip....

Cedillo and supporters of the law point out that the right was on California's books for many years before it was taken away in the 1980s. New Mexico recently allowed undocumented workers to get driver's licenses, joining 17 other states.

"This is a win-win for the people of New Mexico, and we should do no less for the people of California," Cedillo said.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borders; cedillo; illegalaliens; immigrantlist; immigration; laraza; licenses; reconquista; schwarzenegger
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non-citizens could not use the license to vote, serve on juries or buy firearms....this is the first IOU that the governor is going to have to repay.

Clear cut discrimination which will have to be dealt with next. How does Arnold repay folk who couldn't, or at least shouldn't, vote in the first place?

1 posted on 05/26/2004 7:59:43 AM PDT by SJackson
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If I am required to have a license, then every other driver must have one, as well.


2 posted on 05/26/2004 8:03:20 AM PDT by Consort
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To: SJackson
There will be no distinguishing mark on the license, however, something Cedillo likens to Jews having to wear a Star of David as identification in Nazi-held Europe.

Breaking the law is not an ethnic or religious group. Is he implying Jews did something that warranted being singled out? Disgusting.

3 posted on 05/26/2004 8:09:03 AM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Consort

Yeah, I wouldn't want the terrorists to kill me in a car wreck............


4 posted on 05/26/2004 8:10:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (Hillary has a Coke bottle figure....................................... 3 Liter.....................)
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To: SJackson

Illegals are owed NOTHING!

This is getting absurd.


5 posted on 05/26/2004 8:13:31 AM PDT by EEDUDE (Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.)
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To: Red Badger

Did you mean uninsured terrorist?


6 posted on 05/26/2004 8:18:15 AM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort

I carry un-insured terrorists option on my policy...........


7 posted on 05/26/2004 8:21:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (Hillary has a Coke bottle figure....................................... 3 Liter.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Good


8 posted on 05/26/2004 8:24:02 AM PDT by Consort
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To: SJackson

What part of ILLEGAL do these people NOT UNDERSTAND?
When are we going to round up and INTERN these INVADERS?!


9 posted on 05/26/2004 8:26:04 AM PDT by Khuey
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To: SJackson
Repeal "Motor Voter", and punish those who break the law. How hard is that to figure out?

The Legislature's powerful Latino caucus says it is losing patience

How powerful is the Legislature's WHITE caucus? Oh, that's right, it would be discriminatory to have a white caucus. If Arnold sells us out on this one, as far as I'm concerned, he's done.

10 posted on 05/26/2004 8:33:07 AM PDT by drypowder
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To: SJackson
Remember driving is a privilege not a right...
Let them get licenses in their own country...
The state should not be rewarding illegal behavior..
11 posted on 05/26/2004 8:33:54 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Consort
If I am required to have a license, then every other driver must have one, as well.

Fine with me, as long as immigration is called when they apply.

12 posted on 05/26/2004 8:36:39 AM PDT by SJackson (Strength of the prophets of Israel...proclaimed the Truth when everything was against it, A. Malraux)
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To: SJackson

NO!


13 posted on 05/26/2004 8:40:50 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SJackson
Fine with me, as long as immigration is called when they apply.

What do you think immigration will do about it?

14 posted on 05/26/2004 8:46:54 AM PDT by Consort
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To: SJackson

No licenses for illegals, ever.


15 posted on 05/26/2004 8:48:02 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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To: SJackson

16 posted on 05/26/2004 8:48:40 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..

ping


17 posted on 05/26/2004 8:48:46 AM PDT by gubamyster
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To: SJackson

Illegals (which means they are here ILLEGALLY) should be deported. PERIOD.


18 posted on 05/26/2004 8:51:50 AM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: SJackson
something Cedillo likens to Jews having to wear a Star of David as identification in Nazi-held Europe.

Really? I spend a lot of time on illegal immigration threads, and I have seen some pretty nasty stuff threatened. However, I have not yet seen anyone suggest we round up all the illegals, confiscate their 'wealth', ship them to internment camps, and systematically exterminate them.

Pretty harsh rhetoric, wouldn't you say Senor Cedillo?

19 posted on 05/26/2004 8:57:18 AM PDT by HiJinx (Go with courage, go with honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when it's time. We'll be here.)
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To: Consort

Licenses for illegals has nothing to do with driving privileges.

Don't get caught in that trap.


20 posted on 05/26/2004 8:57:59 AM PDT by HiJinx (Go with courage, go with honor, go in God's good Grace. Come home when it's time. We'll be here.)
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To: SJackson
Illegal aliens are claiming to be criminals because it's their religion?
Beam me up, Scotty.
21 posted on 05/26/2004 9:00:44 AM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either.)
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To: SJackson
List of states where illegal Mexian immigrants can go to if they want to legally get drivers' licenses:

Aguascalientes
Baja California
Baja California Sur
Campeche
Chiapas
Chihuahua
Coahuila
Colima
Distrito Federal
Durango
Guanajuato
Guerrero
Hidalgo
Jalisco
México
Michoacán
Morelos
Nayarit
Nuevo León
Oaxaca
Puebla
Querétaro
Quintana Roo
San Luis Potosí
Sinaloa
Sonora
Tabasco
Tamaulipas
Tlaxcala
Veracruz
Yucatán
Zacatecas

22 posted on 05/26/2004 9:21:53 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Teach a Democrat to fish and he will curse you for not just giving him the fish.)
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To: SJackson

Sounds like Arnold made a deal with the devil. June is less than a week away. It will be interesting to say the least.


23 posted on 05/26/2004 9:28:00 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: SJackson
The Legislature's powerful Latino caucus says it is losing patience with Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger for so far failing to support compromise legislation that would let illegal immigrants obtain driver's licenses.

California's nonexistant Citizen & Legal Immigrant caucus says it is just grateful that Sen. Gil Cedillo, D-Aztlan, has seen fit to allow us to continue living in California so we may celebrate paying for our great culturally diversified state. Muchas gracias, Gil.

A spokeswoman for the governor said talks are continuing.... The governor's main concerns have been on security and requiring insurance.

The governor needs to stop taking the citizens' tax dollars and using them to aid and abet illegal [viva la raza] aliens before he finds himself out of a job.

24 posted on 05/26/2004 9:34:18 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: SJackson

Can someone tell me why they can't just use their Mexican licenses? - perfectly legal in the US


25 posted on 05/26/2004 9:40:21 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: SJackson

as a californian, i'd rather have them licensed and paying auto insurance than not.

too many illegals are involved in collisions and then skip the expenses, leaving us californians to pay for it. a properly insured auto would eliminate this problem.


26 posted on 05/26/2004 9:40:24 AM PDT by no_problema
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To: Consort

why don't they carry their Mexican licenses?


27 posted on 05/26/2004 9:41:35 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: no_problema

those that have no insurance will never spend the money for insurance, with or without a license


28 posted on 05/26/2004 9:44:12 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Republicus2001

if the state passes a law that provides licensing and the requirement for auto insurance, and the chp is allowed to enforce the law, then they will.

actually, today when an illegal who is uninsured hits another car, the state of california confiscates the car.

it would be preferable for the hittee to have the hitter insured--there'd be more money for hospital costs, etc.

('scuse me 4 making up a word there!)


29 posted on 05/26/2004 9:48:03 AM PDT by no_problema
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To: no_problema

they don't need a California license to buy insurance - they don't have insurance and license because they DON'T WANT TO. - again why can't they just use their own real license?


30 posted on 05/26/2004 10:20:47 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: no_problema
if the state passes a law that provides licensing and the requirement for auto insurance, and the chp is allowed to enforce the law, then they will.

the state already has the law and it is NOT enforced
31 posted on 05/26/2004 10:24:19 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: Republicus2001
Why don't they carry their Mexican licenses?

You are like the little boy pointing out that the emperor is wearing no clothes. The real issue is not about permits to drive but granting the illegals unearned trappings of citizenship.

In my state of Tennessee they're working to install a certification system in lieu of licenses because illegals come from other states to get one and swamp the system so badly citizens often waste days trying to get through it. If they don't like that "Star of David", tough!

32 posted on 05/26/2004 10:26:33 AM PDT by NewRomeTacitus
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To: SJackson
There will be no distinguishing mark on the license, however, something Cedillo likens to Jews having to wear a Star of David as identification in Nazi-held Europe.

1. Illegal aliens BROKE THE LAW to be in the U.S.

2. Jews did nothing to warrant being singled out with Stars of David other than being hated by Nazi a-holes.

There is NO comparison, Cedillo you pile of sh*t.

I hope the ADL or Wiesenthal Center or someone jumps on him for such an idiotic statement.

33 posted on 05/26/2004 10:33:10 AM PDT by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: SJackson
The bill, to be introduced next week, will include background checks and a higher processing fee to avoid costs to the state and may require applicants to take citizenship classes. . . . The bill would also make it clear that non-citizens could not use the license to vote, serve on juries or buy firearms. There will be no distinguishing mark on the license

As I've said from the beginning of this license "debate", it's about erasing the southern border, and, more broadly, eliminating white America, not insurance or safety (thus the bit about citizenship classes). If you have a license that is indistinguishable from a citizen's license then you're an "American", period. That license will be taken as legitimate throughout the country. The idea that the government will rigorously prevent these illegals from voting is a joke. They don't enforce Social Security fraud now, what makes you think they will enforce this? And when was the last time you heard of a really good voting fraud investigation, anyway? Most voting fraud benefits the Democrats and takes place in non-white districts, a double-whammy that guarantees nothing will be done about it.

I also predict that Arnie, the Republicans, and establishment conservatives will cave on this issue, nationwide. Opposition to it will be characterized as racism and once that magic word is brought out Republicans and conservatives fall on the ground, curl up into a ball, and start sucking their thumbs.

34 posted on 05/26/2004 10:38:12 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: SJackson

They are correct. Therefore we must not issue ANY licenses to illegals. It will offend them.


35 posted on 05/26/2004 11:28:21 AM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: SJackson
Cedillo said if the governor does not sign on, he will move forward without him.

And when he is "moving forward" and AS vetos his BS attempt to allow illegals to vote he and his buds will be screaching "discrimination."

What a load.

36 posted on 05/26/2004 11:37:36 AM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: jordan8
They don't enforce Social Security fraud now, what makes you think they will enforce this?

DING-DING -DING- we have a winner folks! For every criminal alien doing the "jobs" Americans don't want to do - they are either working illegally "off the books" under minimum wage at slave rates OR they are fraudulently using STOLEN Social Security account numbers to fill out the paperwork... Either way they are committing CRIMES everyday. Not only do they push aside all the desired civility from immigration by butting to the head of the line, everyday they do their best to just destroy any line whatsoever.
37 posted on 05/26/2004 11:51:00 AM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: SJackson
polls taken by Cedillo's office that show most voters support granting a license if it gets undocumented workers into the naturalization process.

Key words are "polls taken by Cedillo's office". Cedillo's office consist of open borders advocates.

38 posted on 05/26/2004 12:15:32 PM PDT by janetgreen (RED ALERT to President Bush - WE HAVE BEEN INVADED.)
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To: Republicus2001
why don't they carry their Mexican licenses?

Ask them.

39 posted on 05/26/2004 12:38:19 PM PDT by Consort
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To: joesnuffy

You forgot one "entitled to": LIVIN' LA VIDA LOCA! (at taxpayer expense)


40 posted on 05/26/2004 12:49:12 PM PDT by american spirit
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To: SJackson
There will be no distinguishing mark on the license, however, something Cedillo likens to Jews having to wear a Star of David as identification in Nazi-held Europe.

I thought that the Jews were natural citizens of the countries they were in when they were rounded up by the Nazis.

-PJ

41 posted on 05/26/2004 12:52:50 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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Pretty harsh rhetoric, wouldn't you say Senor Cedillo?

For race-baiting poverty pimps, no lie is too big, and no fee is too big.

42 posted on 05/26/2004 1:09:35 PM PDT by jimt
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To: SJackson; gubamyster
The bill would also make it clear that non-citizens could not use the license to vote, serve on juries or buy firearms. There will be no distinguishing mark on the license, however, something Cedillo likens to Jews having to wear a Star of David as identification in Nazi-held Europe.

Gee, I'm touched. Does this mean Cedillo supports the State of Israel? He sure isn't working for the state of California's best interests.

I was on another thread dealing with 3 assembly bills that would give even more power to harass private property owners, and add another useless commision to the state budget. I promised to email Arnie and voice my concerns. Guess I'll mention my concerns about this again. I've already emailed him about this once.

43 posted on 05/26/2004 1:29:24 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Torrance Ca....land of the flying monkeys)
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To: no_problema

Absolutely nothing stops an illegal who is able to obtain a car to drive from getting liability insurance on that car.


44 posted on 05/26/2004 5:32:41 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: gubamyster
Illegals (which means they are here ILLEGALLY) should be deported!

No make that unceremoniously BOOTED back over the border.

PERIOD!
45 posted on 05/26/2004 5:35:39 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Republicus2001
again why can't they just use their own real license?

You're right --- they can. As far as driving on our roads, you can present a Mexican drivers license, you have to also show proof of insurance for the car --- they can do that and as far as driving goes, they're legal even if they aren't here legally because traffic cops aren't going to check past that.

They want the US drivers license as proof of legal US residency. That gets them over the border very easily --- the most you might have to show is your US drivers license --- and it can be easily sold and reproduced and used to get anyone over the border quickly and easily.

46 posted on 05/26/2004 5:36:27 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: no_problema
too many illegals are involved in collisions and then skip the expenses, leaving us californians to pay for it. a properly insured auto would eliminate this problem.

No, deporting the illegals would eliminate the problem. That is the root problem. They are illegal.

47 posted on 05/26/2004 10:24:43 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Lijahsbubbe

that's not going to happen, and you know it.

there'd be riots in the streets.

the problem is, the democrats are gaining 1/2 percent voters per year. republicans want to make gains among minorities. so, rounding up illegals may sound good, but in reality, it would have the opposite effect--electing democrats to congress and the presidency.


48 posted on 05/27/2004 8:39:44 AM PDT by no_problema
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To: FITZ

the positive...at least he has liability insurance.

if your wife gets hit and injured, then at least there are hospital expenses.

my point above was that i'd rather that illegals be licensed and insured. why should i pay their insurance costs?


49 posted on 05/27/2004 8:41:55 AM PDT by no_problema
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To: SJackson
"Leverage -- it's what we have," Escutia said.

These guys are whistling past the graveyard. They have no leverage. All Ahnold has to do is tell Escutia he will take the issue to the voters and the Aztlan crowd will scurry back under their rocks.

Their man Bustamonte was humiliated in the last election.

50 posted on 05/27/2004 8:49:03 AM PDT by BigBobber
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