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To: conserv13
If this attempts to equate Nazi-ism with Enviromentalism or Conservationism, than this is a bunch of B.S.

"Equate?" Well, not entirely. But do they share important elements? Absolutely.

The key, which this article tends to dance around, is between whether rights and authority are seen to be individual or collective. The true political spectrum (meaning the one which reasonably describes reality) focuses on this issue. Socialists are well over to the 'all rights are collective' end, whether they call themselves Fascists, International Socialists, Communists, or National Socialists. The proof of that is in the overlapping self-definitions. All the words apply to all the forms of socialism, thus you get 'communists' who are self-described as 'international socialists' who are blatantly nationalist and therefore 'national socialists' who are now called 'fascists'.

The 'greens' or other hyper-environmentalists are also well over into the 'all rights and authorities are collective' end of the spectrum - believing that everyone should be controlled by some central authority's opinion of what is environmentally sound. Their priorities may vary between economic well-being for all (the claim of socialism) or 'sustainable economies', but the key is that they think the economy (and therefore all aspects of a citizen's life) need to be centrally controlled. Hayek laid that out with unassailable clarity. And of course, Lenin recognized that it is easier to take over a revolution than to start one - or by extension - that it is easier to take over a centrally controlled economy than to force those controls on people. Hence, the greens and socialists join forces until the control is established - each thinking that in the end their detail priorities will be used for the controls.
50 posted on 05/27/2004 10:40:32 AM PDT by Gorjus
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To: Gorjus

Good point. Thanks


57 posted on 05/27/2004 11:40:20 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: Gorjus

Kinda like the welfarism/warfarism of the last hundred years of the two main parties that Hayek warned us about?

See this folks:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1617151/posts


81 posted on 04/18/2006 12:32:34 PM PDT by Marxbites (Freedom is the negation of Govt to the maximum extent possible. Today, Govt is the economy's virus.)
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After reading this article I was somewhat surprised about the obvious. Hitler a Socialist. But then I was less impressed about the article after thinking about it.

Even tho some folks here my have a dread and loathing of Socialism that was NOT the aspect of Hitler's rule that killed so many people.

The over looked, often deliberately overlooked and mostly conveniently left out issue here is FASCISM.

FASCISM is NOT the same thing as Socialism. Fascism can exist and does exist in any form of government. It exists with in Socialism, Communism, Democracies and of course dictatorships. It is a thought process - not a government.

Fascism:is a radical authoritarian political philosophy that combines elements of corporatism, totalitarianism, extreme nationalism, militarism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.
so says - Benito Mussolini <----- he should know.

There are definite signs that fascism is on the rise in the United States.

http://www.bigrob66.info/blog/archives/000121.html

This link is an interesting descriptor of the signs of fascism in any culture.

Hitler was a Socialist - ask any German about Hitler and they will point out - "on the positive side - he made the trains run on time."

But is was FASCISM that was his killer side.


86 posted on 08/15/2006 7:30:09 AM PDT by Secularist2 (Thomas Jefferson was a Secularist)
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