Skip to comments.Vatican Appoints Cardinal Law Head of Rome Basilica
Posted on 05/27/2004 8:50:34 AM PDT by ZULU
Vatican Appoints Cardinal Law Head of Rome Basilica
Thursday, May 27, 2004
VATICAN CITY Pope John Paul II (search) on Thursday gave Cardinal Bernard F. Law (search) an official position in Rome, naming the former Boston archbishop who resigned in the sex abuse scandal as head of a basilica.
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Ruh-Roh! So now Law gets a new position, albeit an more or less honorary one, from the Pope. No punishment, but a reward for his coverup of priestly child abuse for years.
Hide the altar boys.
Boston attorney Mitchell Garabedian, who represents more than 130 alleged victims of sexual abuse by priests, said the Vatican was sending a bad message by giving Law a high profile new job.
"He apparently is being transferred to a position that is comfortable and appears to be some sort of reward," Garabedian said. "The Vatican either doesn't understand the problem of clergy sex abuse, or it doesn't care. That shows by this new prestigious post given to Cardinal Law."
Unfortunately, I have to agree with this statement. I am a staunch supporter of John Paul II, but this just doesn't look good. Not that the position is any more than a local parish Rector, but most Catholic and Non-Catholics don't know that. "Any" appointment via the Pope carries with it an appearance of prestiege. I think this is a mistake.
I'm sure the Lavender Mafia is celebrating this honor for one of their heroes. Did the Pope throw in two gold fish for the good Cardinal?
I'm just shaking my head in disappointment. Even if the post given to Law is ceremonial, he should be shamed rather than rewarded.
Ping...another train wreck in the making thread. Sigh.
That's over 18% of the parishes -- not quite one in five. That's a lot of closings.
"..I am a staunch supporter of John Paul II,.."
I wouldn't lay this charge at Pope Paul II, REGARDLESS of what the "Vatican" states. Pope Paul has lived a long and valiant life. But I am convinced he is no longer running the show, making decisions, or functioning as the head of the Church. He should be retired to a place of comfort and a new successor chosen.
Somewhere in the depths of the Vatican bureaocracy, contending forces are making decisions and statements and trying to make a place for themselves in the next administration.
Cardinal Law is a criminal. He is guilty of being an accessory after the fact, and possibly even an accessory during and before the fact. He belongs in a prison, not a basilica. Those Vatican functionaries responsible for this outrage belong there with him.
Zviadist's arguments are looking better all the time.
I'm not sure I go for "what's loosed" these days.
"The Vatican understands and cares. "
I don't believe the current Pope is functional.
I believe some people in the Vatican DO know and Do care.
But OBVIOUSLY, the cretin responsible for this action does not.
Right. If they understand and care, then they're sending the message that "the Church is gonna keep the lavender mafia in power and we DARE you do try to do anything about it."
I will agree that the older and sicker JP II gets, the more over-the-top" the statements are that are coming out of the Vatican. I don't think there is anything wrong with JPIIs mind; I still believe he has some control over these types of appointments and he could put the breaks on it. I'm sure we don't know the whole story, but Cardinal Law should be relegated to the gardening position of a monestary in the hillcountry somewhere.
Our parrish priest has been telling us for over 8 years that there was going to be church closings. It's not a money issue, it's a priest shortage.
2002 -9 priest ordained
2003 -5 priest ordained
2004 -7 priest ordained
The majority of priest are over 65 and will be retiring in the near future. Archbishop O'Mally did what he had to and that's to lead.
I am assuming those ordination numbers you posted are for your diocesan area. You sort of make it look like that's TOTAL ordinations for the country? World? There are many ordinations going on. I'm going to one for a good friend - seminarian in a few weeks. Having said that. You are correct; we have a serious priest shortage. We had a wonderful priest here that was accused of abuse 25 years ago. He was exhonorated, but it destroyed his ability to be a priest here so we lost him. Sad, sad, sad.
Then where, pray tell?
What publication did you get THAT piece of trash fron?
How does one go about reconciling this, Polycarp.
Need some help here. Thanks.
Well... they may not be able to keep a bunch of their parishes open, but at least they can give Law a cushy retirement... I'm glad to see that the church has re-examined it's priorities in light of the molestation scandals...
This action mirrors the years of clerical hide and seek that the Bishops played with offending priests. Move 'em around, move 'em up, hide the evidence. Such blatant disregard for the victims of priestly pedophilia should come as no surprise to Catholics and non-Catholics alike. It's a typical reaction of a tin-ear Church.
"...To some observers, it heralded the much-hoped-for One World Religion..."
The whole issue of a "one world religion" is the DEFINITION of "Catholic". This has never been any secret agenda. Having dialogue between the different faiths to find common ground is a good thing. I support embracing the common ground between diversified faiths. That's a whole lot different than a "one-world government". JPII is not against soverignity or capatilism. He has come out and clearly stated that. Its what we DO with that gift that is and always will be an issue.
I'm not quite up on all the details of the scandal, so forgive me if this question is a bit out of line, but...
I assume that Cardinal Law will have to move to Rome to fulfill his new ceremonial duties. Are there possible criminal charges headed his way over the scandal? Does this get him out of the country and away from possible prosecution, or perhaps lawsuits?
I honestly think that some people in the Vatican--perhaps the Pope himself--don't quite understand how this looks. They aren't looking at things with a wide enough viewpoint.
Unfortunately, Papal Infallibility does not gaurantee against pure stupidity and arrogance in prudential judgements like this one.
In the summer they wear shorts and meander up where one of the lay distributors will lay a Host in their hand and they mechanically shove It into their mouth while singing the "communion hymn" which is taken out of a Protestant hymnal.
Nobody hangs back in the pew because everybody is in possession of a soul recently cleansed of sin through the giving of a good confession and receiving absolution.
Its true. Being a "good and holy man" does not mean that he is incapable of mistakes. Infallibility is only an issue with matters of dogma, not politics and business administration. This is an administrative decision that is sending a very bad message. I don't care WHO is behind the decision, its bad and with us Catholics, the buck stops at JPII. Its a good thing that God will be the judge and not us mere mortals.
I assume yours is a sarcastic post?
Not at all.
I think the only hope for the Church in the new future is for that successor to be from South America or Africa. JPII is a relic of a bygone era, he proves everday he cannot lead the church thru the coming assault by Islam.
If another euro-weinee is made Pope you can just write off most of Europe as a Islamic protectorate.
I have nothing but the highest regard for Pope JPII's personal holiness and orthodoxy on moral theology issues.
I think he has been lacking in administrative duties as well as in enforcing liturgical discipline, and he has said recently that church discipline is an area of personal regret and remourse for him looking back on his pontificate.
You will look long and hard to find anywhere on this Forum or elsewhere for examples of my criticizing Pope JPII, except today, in this area where he has criticized himself.
So direct your criticism elsewhere in this regard.
My critiscism is that you didn't realise what's his mission.
Please educate me. In your opinion, what exactly IS his mission. Don't beat around the bush. If you're saying he is laying the groundwork for the New World Order and its One World Religion, just say so. Please be clear.
His Church on earth will render Satan, the serpent, under its feet for good, in total victory at the end of time.
His Church is the apostolic and universal Holy Roman Catholic Church.
His mission is the destruction of the foudation of faith : the belief in God.
I have not understood one thing Truth666 has been trying to say....
Truth..would you please articulate a point of view?
If they allowed priests to marry, two things would happen:
They would get more priests
These priests would flush out paedophiles
I am shocked too -- and probably I need to confess that because what should shock me most of all is my own appalling presumption and uncharity and self-absorption and lack of humility. I need to confess my resistance to the truth that if the world is going to be illuminated at all, it won't be done for me, but through me, and that no light can come into the world from a dark heart.
When was the Church Militant ever not a church of sinners in desperate need of conversion and repentance? Did you ever read any of my responses to Z, or to the other angry, prideful schismatics who lament the world made unsatisfactory by the sins of others? Did you ever read my post of Jerome's Dialogue against the Luciferians?
Z broadcasts a spirit of rebellion and pride, which gravely compromises his ability to be at one with the Church he professes to love as his mother.
As he's about to take up residence at Sta. Maria Maggiore, Cardinal Law looks fixed to inherit the choice rooftop apartment of a better man, a canon of that basilica who's dying of metastatic cancer in a nursing home in Lafayete, where I visited him Monday night to say goodbye. If he survives till June 11, he'll be 55 years a priest. I owe a great deal to him. If you're ever minded to do me a kindness, please pray for him and others who're close to him. And pray for Cardinal Law and Zviadist and me too.
I don't know either.
I think they need a Nigerian or Sudanese Catholic as Pope.
He would understand Islam VERY WELL.
Those are parishes that have been in trouble for years, not just since the scandal.
That's not what was said on the radio. And the media wouldn't distort this now, would it?
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