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Vatican Appoints Cardinal Law Head of Rome Basilica
Fox News ^ | May 27, 2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/27/2004 8:50:34 AM PDT by ZULU

Vatican Appoints Cardinal Law Head of Rome Basilica

Thursday, May 27, 2004

VATICAN CITY — Pope John Paul II (search) on Thursday gave Cardinal Bernard F. Law (search) an official position in Rome, naming the former Boston archbishop who resigned in the sex abuse scandal as head of a basilica.

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1 posted on 05/27/2004 8:50:35 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU

Ruh-Roh! So now Law gets a new position, albeit an more or less honorary one, from the Pope. No punishment, but a reward for his coverup of priestly child abuse for years.

Not good.


2 posted on 05/27/2004 8:58:12 AM PDT by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: ZULU

Hide the altar boys.


3 posted on 05/27/2004 8:59:36 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: ZULU

Boston attorney Mitchell Garabedian, who represents more than 130 alleged victims of sexual abuse by priests, said the Vatican was sending a bad message by giving Law a high profile new job.

"He apparently is being transferred to a position that is comfortable and appears to be some sort of reward," Garabedian said. "The Vatican either doesn't understand the problem of clergy sex abuse, or it doesn't care. That shows by this new prestigious post given to Cardinal Law."


Unfortunately, I have to agree with this statement. I am a staunch supporter of John Paul II, but this just doesn't look good. Not that the position is any more than a local parish Rector, but most Catholic and Non-Catholics don't know that. "Any" appointment via the Pope carries with it an appearance of prestiege. I think this is a mistake.


4 posted on 05/27/2004 9:00:59 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Integrityrocks

I'm sure the Lavender Mafia is celebrating this honor for one of their heroes. Did the Pope throw in two gold fish for the good Cardinal?


5 posted on 05/27/2004 9:03:39 AM PDT by John Thornton
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To: Integrityrocks

I'm just shaking my head in disappointment. Even if the post given to Law is ceremonial, he should be shamed rather than rewarded.


6 posted on 05/27/2004 9:04:40 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: .45MAN; AAABEST; AKA Elena; al_c; american colleen; Angelus Errare; annalex; Annie03; Antoninus; ...

Ping...another train wreck in the making thread. Sigh.


7 posted on 05/27/2004 9:10:51 AM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: ZULU

timing

May 25, 2004 - BOSTON — The Boston Archdiocese will lose 65 of its 357 parishes, a massive restructuring brought on partly by the clergy sex abuse scandal that aggravated already shrinking Mass attendance and weekly collections.
At St. Susanna Parish in Dedham, some parishioners gasped and others cried while the pastor, the Rev. Stephen Josoma, announced that the church would close.
"I feel like we've been betrayed," said Bob Frasca, 74, a retiree who has attended the church since it opened 42 years ago. "I will not give another dime to the archdiocese."
8 posted on 05/27/2004 9:13:01 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Integrityrocks
"The Vatican either doesn't understand the problem of clergy sex abuse, or it doesn't care. That shows by this new prestigious post given to Cardinal Law."

The Vatican understands and cares.


9 posted on 05/27/2004 9:14:34 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: ZULU
I believe that I heard on the radio recently that the Archdiocese of Boston is closing 65 parishes due to low attendance since the scandal broke.
10 posted on 05/27/2004 9:15:11 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Truth666

That's over 18% of the parishes -- not quite one in five. That's a lot of closings.


11 posted on 05/27/2004 9:15:24 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: Integrityrocks

"..I am a staunch supporter of John Paul II,.."

I wouldn't lay this charge at Pope Paul II, REGARDLESS of what the "Vatican" states. Pope Paul has lived a long and valiant life. But I am convinced he is no longer running the show, making decisions, or functioning as the head of the Church. He should be retired to a place of comfort and a new successor chosen.

Somewhere in the depths of the Vatican bureaocracy, contending forces are making decisions and statements and trying to make a place for themselves in the next administration.

Cardinal Law is a criminal. He is guilty of being an accessory after the fact, and possibly even an accessory during and before the fact. He belongs in a prison, not a basilica. Those Vatican functionaries responsible for this outrage belong there with him.


12 posted on 05/27/2004 9:16:43 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Romulus

Zviadist's arguments are looking better all the time.

I'm not sure I go for "what's loosed" these days.


13 posted on 05/27/2004 9:17:01 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: Truth666

"The Vatican understands and cares. "

I don't believe the current Pope is functional.

I believe some people in the Vatican DO know and Do care.

But OBVIOUSLY, the cretin responsible for this action does not.


14 posted on 05/27/2004 9:18:49 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Truth666
The Vatican understands and cares.

Right. If they understand and care, then they're sending the message that "the Church is gonna keep the lavender mafia in power and we DARE you do try to do anything about it."

15 posted on 05/27/2004 9:20:53 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Arabiam Esse Delendam -- Forsan et haec olim meminisse iuvabit)
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To: ZULU

I will agree that the older and sicker JP II gets, the more over-the-top" the statements are that are coming out of the Vatican. I don't think there is anything wrong with JPIIs mind; I still believe he has some control over these types of appointments and he could put the breaks on it. I'm sure we don't know the whole story, but Cardinal Law should be relegated to the gardening position of a monestary in the hillcountry somewhere.


16 posted on 05/27/2004 9:24:13 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: ZULU

Our parrish priest has been telling us for over 8 years that there was going to be church closings. It's not a money issue, it's a priest shortage.
2002 -9 priest ordained
2003 -5 priest ordained
2004 -7 priest ordained
The majority of priest are over 65 and will be retiring in the near future. Archbishop O'Mally did what he had to and that's to lead.


17 posted on 05/27/2004 9:25:49 AM PDT by lonerepubinma
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To: lonerepubinma

I am assuming those ordination numbers you posted are for your diocesan area. You sort of make it look like that's TOTAL ordinations for the country? World? There are many ordinations going on. I'm going to one for a good friend - seminarian in a few weeks. Having said that. You are correct; we have a serious priest shortage. We had a wonderful priest here that was accused of abuse 25 years ago. He was exhonorated, but it destroyed his ability to be a priest here so we lost him. Sad, sad, sad.


18 posted on 05/27/2004 9:30:32 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: JesseHousman
What a sad day when this plea for prayers for the conversion of the pope must be requested.
What a golden opportunity squandered.
The destructiion of the royal character of the Church is the greatest disaster that could have taken place. This "revolution" in the Church is the greatest catastrophe in the History of Mankind.
Pope John Paul II has invited members of other religions to make their contribution to the reform of the Papacy when only Catholics should have a say on the topic.
Here is a pope who received semi-naked women, danced rock 'n roll and openly admired immodest dress. What has he taught the ensemble of the Church? Does the pope have the right to act against the Church's two-thousand-year-old moral principles?
The papacy has become an enormous stage and the pope an entertainer in a transformation destroying the solemnity, sacrality, and supreme dignity of the role of pope and the institution of the papacy.
How the Church could pursue ecumenism with heretics and not incur the suspicions of heresy, since it favors, protects, and stimulates heretics to become more convinced of their own errors?


No, the decisive moment where there are no more excuses for any catholic isn't the moment where the royal character of the Church was destroyed.
19 posted on 05/27/2004 9:33:22 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
...isn't the moment where the royal character of the Church was destroyed.

Then where, pray tell?

20 posted on 05/27/2004 9:35:20 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Truth666

What publication did you get THAT piece of trash fron?


21 posted on 05/27/2004 9:38:03 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Polycarp IV

How does one go about reconciling this, Polycarp.

Need some help here. Thanks.


22 posted on 05/27/2004 9:38:16 AM PDT by Askel5
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To: JesseHousman
The Church, under the present pope has anesthetized natural reactions to the invasion of Europe by Muslims and their countless agressions against Catholics all over the world. Haven't these vatican leaders, under Pope John Paul II played a role in promoting Islam and betrayed the Catholic cause?
What end does the dialogue with voodooism achieve? Receiving, encouraging and defending representatives of the voodoo cult promotes the cult of satan.


October 27 1986 - at the Basilica of St Francis of Assisi in Assisi Italy, John Paul hosted an historic prayer meeting of leaders of the world's religions. To some observers, it heralded the much-hoped-for One World Religion. It represented a precedent for a United Religions organisation that might prove the salvation of the world, preserving peace and security. They saw in it a great sign of the times and a coming together - even "a second Pentecost."

<---------- at this point there are still excuses for not seeing ...
23 posted on 05/27/2004 9:39:15 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

Well... they may not be able to keep a bunch of their parishes open, but at least they can give Law a cushy retirement... I'm glad to see that the church has re-examined it's priorities in light of the molestation scandals...


24 posted on 05/27/2004 9:39:32 AM PDT by Stone Mountain
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To: ZULU

This action mirrors the years of clerical hide and seek that the Bishops played with offending priests. Move 'em around, move 'em up, hide the evidence. Such blatant disregard for the victims of priestly pedophilia should come as no surprise to Catholics and non-Catholics alike. It's a typical reaction of a tin-ear Church.


25 posted on 05/27/2004 9:41:56 AM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (Al Gore: The real voice of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Stone Mountain
Law himself was named in hundreds of lawsuits accusing him of failing to protect children from known child molesters. Ten months after his departure, Law's successor, Archbishop Sean P. O'Malley, helped to broker an

$85 million settlement agreement

with more than 550 victims of clergy sex abuse.
So far for the money in Boston.
26 posted on 05/27/2004 9:43:07 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

"...To some observers, it heralded the much-hoped-for One World Religion..."

The whole issue of a "one world religion" is the DEFINITION of "Catholic". This has never been any secret agenda. Having dialogue between the different faiths to find common ground is a good thing. I support embracing the common ground between diversified faiths. That's a whole lot different than a "one-world government". JPII is not against soverignity or capatilism. He has come out and clearly stated that. Its what we DO with that gift that is and always will be an issue.


27 posted on 05/27/2004 9:43:31 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: JesseHousman
September 26 1997 - an earthquake rocked the town and caused the roof of the basilica of St Francis of Assisi to collapse, killing two Franciscan brothers and damaging the Giotto frescos.
Catholics lost the ability to see the signs of God - they still may claim to have an excuse here ...
28 posted on 05/27/2004 9:46:37 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: ZULU

I'm not quite up on all the details of the scandal, so forgive me if this question is a bit out of line, but...

I assume that Cardinal Law will have to move to Rome to fulfill his new ceremonial duties. Are there possible criminal charges headed his way over the scandal? Does this get him out of the country and away from possible prosecution, or perhaps lawsuits?

I honestly think that some people in the Vatican--perhaps the Pope himself--don't quite understand how this looks. They aren't looking at things with a wide enough viewpoint.

}:-)4


29 posted on 05/27/2004 9:46:54 AM PDT by Moose4 (Yes, it's just an excuse for me to post more pictures of my cats. Deal with it.)
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To: Askel5
What is there to reconcile? Sometimes the higher-ups at the Vatican act like the secular jerks that rule the rest of this world, the Pope included.

Unfortunately, Papal Infallibility does not gaurantee against pure stupidity and arrogance in prudential judgements like this one.

30 posted on 05/27/2004 9:47:19 AM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Truth666
Unfortunately, Truth, many of today's Catholics "attending mass" don't care. They waltz into the architecturally trendy buildings bubbling over with personal conversations as if they knew there was nothing important going to happen within the next hour.

In the summer they wear shorts and meander up where one of the lay distributors will lay a Host in their hand and they mechanically shove It into their mouth while singing the "communion hymn" which is taken out of a Protestant hymnal.

Nobody hangs back in the pew because everybody is in possession of a soul recently cleansed of sin through the giving of a good confession and receiving absolution.

31 posted on 05/27/2004 9:49:02 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: Polycarp IV

Its true. Being a "good and holy man" does not mean that he is incapable of mistakes. Infallibility is only an issue with matters of dogma, not politics and business administration. This is an administrative decision that is sending a very bad message. I don't care WHO is behind the decision, its bad and with us Catholics, the buck stops at JPII. Its a good thing that God will be the judge and not us mere mortals.


32 posted on 05/27/2004 9:50:40 AM PDT by Integrityrocks
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To: Polycarp IV
"Papal Infallibility does not gaurantee against pure stupidity"
JP II has been PERFECT in his mission. No failures. What you are saying nothing but looking for an excuse not to see how PERFECT he has been. But it's long ago since the day where there are no more excuses ...
33 posted on 05/27/2004 9:51:55 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666

I assume yours is a sarcastic post?


34 posted on 05/27/2004 9:54:12 AM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Polycarp IV

Not at all.


35 posted on 05/27/2004 9:55:18 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: ZULU
wouldn't lay this charge at Pope Paul II, REGARDLESS of what the "Vatican" states. Pope Paul has lived a long and valiant life. But I am convinced he is no longer running the show, making decisions, or functioning as the head of the Church. He should be retired to a place of comfort and a new successor chosen.

I think the only hope for the Church in the new future is for that successor to be from South America or Africa. JPII is a relic of a bygone era, he proves everday he cannot lead the church thru the coming assault by Islam.

If another euro-weinee is made Pope you can just write off most of Europe as a Islamic protectorate.

36 posted on 05/27/2004 9:57:52 AM PDT by kjvail (Light 'em up George!!!!)
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To: Truth666
JP II has been PERFECT in his mission. No failures. What you are saying nothing but looking for an excuse not to see how PERFECT he has been.

I have nothing but the highest regard for Pope JPII's personal holiness and orthodoxy on moral theology issues.

I think he has been lacking in administrative duties as well as in enforcing liturgical discipline, and he has said recently that church discipline is an area of personal regret and remourse for him looking back on his pontificate.

You will look long and hard to find anywhere on this Forum or elsewhere for examples of my criticizing Pope JPII, except today, in this area where he has criticized himself.

So direct your criticism elsewhere in this regard.

37 posted on 05/27/2004 10:06:15 AM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Polycarp IV

My critiscism is that you didn't realise what's his mission.


38 posted on 05/27/2004 10:09:09 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
you didn't realise what's his mission

Please educate me. In your opinion, what exactly IS his mission. Don't beat around the bush. If you're saying he is laying the groundwork for the New World Order and its One World Religion, just say so. Please be clear.

39 posted on 05/27/2004 10:11:51 AM PDT by Polycarp IV (PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
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To: Truth666
Jesus Christ is the sinless, only Son of God, and in fact, is God Himself. He was crucified, died, and arose again, and is alive. He will reign forever. He was born of a virgin. He is one with God the Father and The Holy Spirit, in the Holy Trinity.

His Church on earth will render Satan, the serpent, under its feet for good, in total victory at the end of time.

His Church is the apostolic and universal Holy Roman Catholic Church.

Any questions?

40 posted on 05/27/2004 10:14:15 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: Polycarp IV

His mission is the destruction of the foudation of faith : the belief in God.


41 posted on 05/27/2004 10:14:59 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Polycarp IV; Truth666

I have not understood one thing Truth666 has been trying to say....

Truth..would you please articulate a point of view?


42 posted on 05/27/2004 10:16:14 AM PDT by txlurker
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To: txlurker; Polycarp IV; JesseHousman
Finally, the papacy today is not compatible with the past of the Holy Church and with Catholic doctrine.
Compatible is not the right world. (more)
43 posted on 05/27/2004 10:22:18 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: lonerepubinma

If they allowed priests to marry, two things would happen:

They would get more priests

These priests would flush out paedophiles


44 posted on 05/27/2004 10:26:47 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Askel5
Zviadist's arguments are rubbish, and I'm ashamed that you spare them your ordinarily penetrating scrutiny. So Law has been fixed up with a swell retirement post and not been packed off to a hospital chaplaincy in Calcutta as he deserves and (considering the state of his soul) probably needs. And Askel is shocked, shocked to see that even popes are susceptible to disordered loyalties and that evil men prosper in this dark world?

I am shocked too -- and probably I need to confess that because what should shock me most of all is my own appalling presumption and uncharity and self-absorption and lack of humility. I need to confess my resistance to the truth that if the world is going to be illuminated at all, it won't be done for me, but through me, and that no light can come into the world from a dark heart.

When was the Church Militant ever not a church of sinners in desperate need of conversion and repentance? Did you ever read any of my responses to Z, or to the other angry, prideful schismatics who lament the world made unsatisfactory by the sins of others? Did you ever read my post of Jerome's Dialogue against the Luciferians?

Z broadcasts a spirit of rebellion and pride, which gravely compromises his ability to be at one with the Church he professes to love as his mother.

As he's about to take up residence at Sta. Maria Maggiore, Cardinal Law looks fixed to inherit the choice rooftop apartment of a better man, a canon of that basilica who's dying of metastatic cancer in a nursing home in Lafayete, where I visited him Monday night to say goodbye. If he survives till June 11, he'll be 55 years a priest. I owe a great deal to him. If you're ever minded to do me a kindness, please pray for him and others who're close to him. And pray for Cardinal Law and Zviadist and me too.

45 posted on 05/27/2004 10:26:52 AM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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To: txlurker; Polycarp IV; JesseHousman
By mid 1996, with every new piece of evidence being presented, evolution theory, the biggest and most devastating lie that evil ever found, was coming to an end, like all the big lies : in shame for the believers, who could believe such a big lie for so long.
Do I need to continue ?
46 posted on 05/27/2004 10:27:10 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Moose4

Beats me.
I don't know either.


47 posted on 05/27/2004 10:28:05 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: kjvail

I think they need a Nigerian or Sudanese Catholic as Pope.

He would understand Islam VERY WELL.


48 posted on 05/27/2004 10:29:33 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: Redleg Duke

Those are parishes that have been in trouble for years, not just since the scandal.


49 posted on 05/27/2004 10:33:52 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod ('I went to Vietnam, yada yada yada, I want to be President...")
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To: BlessedBeGod

That's not what was said on the radio. And the media wouldn't distort this now, would it?


50 posted on 05/27/2004 10:43:45 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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