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Rumsfeld Admires War Criminal
Lewis Regenstein

Posted on 05/27/2004 12:27:27 PM PDT by philosofy123

To the Editor/ The New York Times:

Your "Political Points" article in the 23 May Sunday New York Times, reports that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is reading Grant, the biography of the Civil War general, Ulysses S. Grant, as a morale booster.

But if Rumsfeld is going to adopt Grant as a role model or source of inspiration, he (and you) should be aware that Grant’s policies and actions included the following: •

Ordering the expulsion on 24 hours notice of all Jews "as a class" from the territory under his control (General Order # 11, 17 December, 1862), and forbidding Jews to travel on trains (November, 1862); •

Ordering the destruction of an entire agricultural area to deny the enemy support (the Shenandoah Valley, 5 August, 1864). •

Leading the mass murder, a virtual genocide, of Native People, mainly helpless old men, women, and children in their villages, to make land available for the western railroads (the eradication of the Plains Indians, 1865–66).

Overseeing the complete destruction of defenseless Southern cities, and conducting such warfare against unarmed women and children (e.g., the razing of Meridien, and other cities in Mississippi, spring, 1863).

Contrast these well documented atrocities (and many others too numerous to list) with the gentlemanly policies and behavior of the Confederate forces. My ancestor Major Raphael Moses, General James Longstreet’s chief commissary officer, was forbidden by General Robert E. Lee from even entering private homes in their raids into the North, such as the famous incursion into Pennsylvania. Moses was forced to obtain his supplies from businesses and farms, and he always paid for what he requisitioned, albeit in Confederate tender.

Moses always endured in good humor the harsh verbal abuse he received from the local women, who, he noted, always insisted on receiving in the end the exact amount owed.

Moses and his Confederate colleagues never engaged in the type of warfare waged by the Union forces, who routinely burned, looted, and destroyed libraries, courthouses, churches, homes, and cities full of defenseless civilians, including my hometown of Atlanta. My ancestors may have lost the war, but they never lost their honor.

Perhaps Rumsfeld should be reading the memoirs of General Lee or Major Moses, instead of the bio of a war criminal like General Grant.

Sincerely yours,

Lewis Regenstein

Atlanta, Georgia


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia; War on Terror
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1 posted on 05/27/2004 12:27:28 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123

LOL!


2 posted on 05/27/2004 12:29:40 PM PDT by RolandBurnam
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To: philosofy123

So, the NYTimes finally found a Suthren White Male thy like?


3 posted on 05/27/2004 12:30:00 PM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: philosofy123

I have heard it all now.


4 posted on 05/27/2004 12:30:20 PM PDT by bmwcyle (<a href="http://www.johnkerry.com/" target="_blank">miserable failure)
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To: philosofy123

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5 posted on 05/27/2004 12:30:46 PM PDT by verity (The Liberal Media is America's Enemy)
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To: philosofy123

All of this about Grant is true. Having him on the $50 is a notable irony.

It would be nice if the media would trot this out when discussing, say, confederate battle flags or their other bash-the-south articles rather than to attack one of their highest-target priority republicans.


6 posted on 05/27/2004 12:31:12 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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To: philosofy123
Dear Mr. Regenstein,

Up your dosage. Stat!

7 posted on 05/27/2004 12:31:38 PM PDT by theDentist (John Kerry never saw a TAX he wouldn't HIKE !!!)
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To: philosofy123

Yeah, forget Grant. He should be reading the biography of Sherman instead.


8 posted on 05/27/2004 12:32:29 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: philosofy123
>>>>Ordering the expulsion on 24 hours notice of all Jews "as a class" from the territory under his control


If Rumsfeld offered that up as a policy plank to Fritz Hollings, he'd have bipartisan support.
9 posted on 05/27/2004 12:32:46 PM PDT by .cnI redruM (There can be no détente with the theocracy.)
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To: theDentist

Yes, Mr. Regenstein, stick it! US Grant was indispensable in winning the Civil War and keeping this one nation.


10 posted on 05/27/2004 12:32:51 PM PDT by laconic
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To: philosofy123

Who the hell said Rumsfeld was going to use Grant as a role model?
Is every Leftist really this delusional?


11 posted on 05/27/2004 12:34:31 PM PDT by dyed_in_the_wool (Why do Al Qaeda and DNC press releases always sound the same?)
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To: RolandBurnam

Everybody's a war criminal to the NYT's and its readers except:

Stalin
Mao
Pol Pot
Castro
Saddam

and every other bruttish thug communism past, present and future.


12 posted on 05/27/2004 12:34:46 PM PDT by jamfull
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To: WoofDog123

The victor writes the history. The South has nothing good.


13 posted on 05/27/2004 12:35:33 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Personally, I've always thought highly of General Grant's military expertise. But Generals Sherman and Sheridan were even better at understanding mass modern warfare.

Besides which, most of the Indian policies were set and executed by Sherman and Sheridan, not Grant.

14 posted on 05/27/2004 12:36:18 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: *dixie_list; sionnsar; Free Trapper; dcwusmc; Wampus SC; Fiddlstix; Southron Patriot; ...

NYT editorial


15 posted on 05/27/2004 12:36:18 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: philosofy123

Reparations NOW!


16 posted on 05/27/2004 12:36:30 PM PDT by Old Sarge (It's not Bush's fault - It's THE MEDIA'S fault!)
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To: My2Cents

Exactly


17 posted on 05/27/2004 12:36:52 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: philosofy123

This guy's racist track record is a lot more recent than U.S. Grant's.

18 posted on 05/27/2004 12:36:52 PM PDT by martin_fierro (</pith>)
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To: philosofy123

I took it as Mr. Regenstein being somewhat tongue-in-cheek and putting Abu Ghraib in perspective, for the know-it-all Times.


19 posted on 05/27/2004 12:37:06 PM PDT by rabidralph (EPIC=Extra Pretty in Color)
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To: My2Cents

Or Robert E Lee?


20 posted on 05/27/2004 12:37:26 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Rumsfeld Admires War Criminal

Oh, I see it's Grant. I could really be totally non PC and say who I really thought it was.

21 posted on 05/27/2004 12:37:44 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: laconic

Can you imagine if this nation had PEACEFULLY divided?


22 posted on 05/27/2004 12:38:04 PM PDT by houeto
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To: philosofy123
Rumsfeld Admires War Criminal

Whew! For a second I thought that Rummy was going to say something nice about Kerry.

23 posted on 05/27/2004 12:40:19 PM PDT by kidd
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To: Mark17

Forget PC. Tell us how you feel!


24 posted on 05/27/2004 12:40:24 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123

Much as I am a partisan of Lee and the South and much as I believe the assault on the Southern states was totally wrong, I have to say that Rumsfield needs to read and learn from the memoirs of winners.


25 posted on 05/27/2004 12:40:43 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them over THERE than over HERE.)
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To: philosofy123
Whatever Rummy is reading, like whatever Grant was drinking, should be sent to all general officers. "I need him; he fights." - Lincoln on Grant.
26 posted on 05/27/2004 12:40:58 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: arthurus

You are correct. Carl Rove reads from Prince Machiavelli?


27 posted on 05/27/2004 12:42:44 PM PDT by philosofy123
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To: philosofy123
Contrast these well documented atrocities (and many others too numerous to list) with the gentlemanly policies and behavior of the Confederate forces.

Guess you never heard of Ft. Pillow, The Battle of the Crater, or Andersonville. Sh*t flowed both ways in the Civil War.

28 posted on 05/27/2004 12:49:25 PM PDT by Tallguy (Surviving in PA....thats the "other PA"...Pennsylvania.)
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To: philosofy123

I bet that idiot Lewis Regenstein will buy the war criminal Bill Clinton's book.


29 posted on 05/27/2004 12:50:00 PM PDT by Andy from Beaverton (I only vote Republican to stop the Democrats)
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To: Tallguy

Forgot to add the ransoming/burning of Chambersburg, PA right here in my own backyard...


30 posted on 05/27/2004 12:51:09 PM PDT by Tallguy (Surviving in PA....thats the "other PA"...Pennsylvania.)
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To: philosofy123

The leftists will not tolerate any American heroes. They are even attacking the firemen and cops actions on 9/11. I'm waiting for their smear of Jesus (why did't he cure ALL the cripples and lepers).


31 posted on 05/27/2004 12:51:46 PM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: BadAndy
"(why did't he cure ALL the cripples and lepers)."

And he even said, "Go and sin no more" ...
...how judgmental can you get!!?

32 posted on 05/27/2004 12:53:57 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Der Elite Møøsënspåånkængrüppen ØberKømmändø (EMØØK))
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To: philosofy123
Forget PC. Tell us how you feel!

LOL, not a chance. You will have to read my mind.

33 posted on 05/27/2004 12:54:55 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: philosofy123

Perhaps, Mr. Regenstein, you should shut the hell up and let him read whatever the hell he wants.

I'm ashamed that you live in my state.


34 posted on 05/27/2004 12:55:56 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (Hi, anyone ever heard of the First Amendment?)
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To: philosofy123
Moses was forced to obtain his supplies from businesses and farms, and he always paid for what he requisitioned, albeit in Confederate tender.

In other words, he paid next to nothing for them.

35 posted on 05/27/2004 12:56:00 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: philosofy123

"War is hell."

--William Tecumseh Sherman


36 posted on 05/27/2004 12:56:39 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: philosofy123
Moses and his Confederate colleagues never engaged in the type of warfare waged by the Union forces, who routinely burned, looted, and destroyed libraries, courthouses, churches, homes, and cities full of defenseless civilians, including my hometown of Atlanta

The people of Chambersburg, Pennsylvania might beg to differ about Confederate tactics.

37 posted on 05/27/2004 12:56:49 PM PDT by dirtboy (John Kerry - Hillary without the fat ankles and the FBI files...)
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To: houeto

No, I can't. A divided nation would have retained slavery south of the border and as Gen. Longstreet said in the movie Gettysburg, "the war is about slavery". I have no nostalgia for that.


38 posted on 05/27/2004 12:57:55 PM PDT by laconic
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To: philosofy123

Moral relativism alert!

I guess the world and the US would have been better off having the south continue to embrace slavery? The world and the US would have been better off seeing the experiment of the American revolution come apart - unable to unite under the very priciples of it's constitution and bill of rights?

Oh! and because the Shanandoah valley was burned the northern cause is now criminal and with no higher moral? Because the US bombed Dresden - victory in WWII was only accomplished by a more evil empire than the one vanquished???


39 posted on 05/27/2004 1:01:24 PM PDT by VoodooEconomics
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To: My2Cents
Yeah, forget Grant. He should be reading the biography of Sherman instead.

Be careful. Sherman had some policies regarding the Indians that aren't PC today! No one from the 19th-Century can pass our sniff testers today!!!

Henry Lee II
"Leftists are crazed and violent people,
With the blood of millions on their hands.”

40 posted on 05/27/2004 1:03:44 PM PDT by HenryLeeII
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To: philosofy123

If he wanted to admire a Civil War general, he should have used Lee, but unfortunately that wouldn't be PC for those masses who don't really know anything about Lee except that he was from the South. For example, Lee was publicly against slavery and didn't own slaves, as opposed to Grant and his wife, and started freeing the slaves of a whole plantation as soon as he inherited it. And as far as I know all of his armed conflicts were carried through with honor.


41 posted on 05/27/2004 1:04:24 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: philosofy123
>>>Ordering the expulsion on 24 hours notice of all Jews "as a class" from the territory under his control<<<

But, but, I thought the left is accusing us of fighting this war for the Jews...Israel?

Oh, I got it - Rumsfeld is doing this to make up for his hero's (Grant) racist blunder.

Sometimes the Democrats get so convoluted I have trouble following their thought processes.

42 posted on 05/27/2004 1:05:25 PM PDT by HardStarboard ( Wesley...gone. Hillary......not gone enough!)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Lee was not fighting to defend slavery, true enough.

Thomas J. Jackson even taught slaves to read -- which was illegal throughout much of the South (though I admit I don't know if it was in Virginia).

The Civil War was full of oddities like that. I guess that's why so many of us like to argue about it.

43 posted on 05/27/2004 1:08:02 PM PDT by Tallguy (Surviving in PA....thats the "other PA"...Pennsylvania.)
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To: Tallguy
Thomas J. Jackson even taught slaves to read -- which was illegal throughout much of the South (though I admit I don't know if it was in Virginia).

It was, and Jackson didn't seem to care. He started a Sunday School for blacks, taught the same, and sent monetary contributions for its support during the war.

44 posted on 05/27/2004 1:11:45 PM PDT by 4CJ (||) OUR sins put Him on that cross - HIS love for us kept Him there. (||)
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To: philosofy123

Yosemite Sam missed the end of the War, too.

Let it go, Mr. R.

45 posted on 05/27/2004 1:14:43 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Can we all get back to talking about Abu Ghraib, please?)
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To: HenryLeeII

Same with Sheridan.

I'd still consider books about both of them valuable reading material.

Personally, I'd like to meet the guy who wrote the letter on the streets.


46 posted on 05/27/2004 1:17:26 PM PDT by Joseph_CutlerUSA ("It is generally inadvisable to eject directly over the area you just bombed. " -USAF Manual)
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To: philosofy123
the gentlemanly policies and behavior of the Confederate forces.

My great-great uncle starved to death shortly after his liberation from Salisbury prison in North Carolina. But it was a gentlemanly starvation.

47 posted on 05/27/2004 1:19:46 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: HenryLeeII

I was being facetious, but you're point is a good one. Heck, any movie made before 1964 doesn't pass the sniff testers either.


48 posted on 05/27/2004 1:19:55 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: philosofy123

Actually, Lee would be good. I read a book a few years ago, a joint biography of Grant and Lee. Pretty good on both accounts.


49 posted on 05/27/2004 1:21:47 PM PDT by My2Cents ("Well....there you go again.")
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To: Tallguy

It is fair to say pretty much ANY pow's from either side would have been quite happy to be in abu garib, from what I have read.


50 posted on 05/27/2004 1:22:36 PM PDT by WoofDog123
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