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Jayna Davis: OKC and WTC Bombers Met in Philippines
NewsMax ^ | 5/27/04 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 05/27/2004 6:54:18 PM PDT by wagglebee

Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols met with World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines before he and Timothy McVeigh carried out their plot, investigative reporter Jayna Davis said Wednesday.

"Terry Nichols and Ramzi Yousef met personally in the Philippines on the island of Mindanao in the early 1990s to discuss, of all things, bombmaking," Davis told ABC Radio Network host John Batchelor.

On Wednesday, an Oklahoma jury returned a 161 count murder verdict against Nichols. He is expected to face the death penalty. But the bizarre Yousef-Nichols tie-in did not come up in the trial.

Davis said she didn't think Nichols would ever discuss his relationship with Yousef, who devised a plot known as Operation Bojinka, a kamikaze airliner hijacking plan that became the blueprint for the 9/11 attacks.

"Sources close to the defense have told me, and this comes from recorded conversations with his wife, Lana Padilla, that Terry Nichols is going to remain clammed up for the rest of his natural days on earth," Davis told Batchelor.

"He wants to protect his son Joshua from any retaliation," she added. Filipino police informant, Edwin Angeles, who first detailed meetings between Yousef and Nichols, was assassinated in 1998.

Yousef's partner in the Bojinka plot, Abdul Hakim Murad, was apprehended by Filipino police in 1994 and taken to New York to stand trial. On the morning of the OKC bombing, Murad summoned his jailers to tell them he and Yousef were connected to the crime. Later that day Murad gave the FBI a written confession.

Just months before his own June 2001 execution for the crime, Timothy McVeigh referred to both Yousef and Osama bin Laden in a letter to Fox News Channel's Rita Cosby.

"Collateral Damage? As an American news junkie; a military man; and a Gulf War veteran, where do they think I learned that? (It sure as hell wasn't Osama Bin Laden!)," he wrote in April 2001.

In the next sentence, McVeigh mentioned Yousef.

"For all else, I would refer you to my enclosed paper 'Hypocrisy,' and to Ramzi Yousef's statement to the court just prior to his sentencing. I filter all labels and insults thusly."

In the Jan. 8, 1998, court statement to which McVeigh referred, Yousef proclaimed, "Yes, I am a terrorist and proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government," before being sentenced to 240 years in jail.


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My question is how did Reno miss this? Oh yeah, she only cared about protecting Clinton.
1 posted on 05/27/2004 6:54:19 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

She (and Clinton) "missed" it because they saw an opportunity to blame right wing talk show hosts and gun owners. It worked, too. I wish there could be some punishment for these people.


2 posted on 05/27/2004 6:57:50 PM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: wagglebee

That and busy patting herself on the back for killing babies in Waco.


3 posted on 05/27/2004 6:57:54 PM PDT by Toespi (,)
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To: wagglebee

I just read her book. I just have no idea, with the amount of "evidence" she seems to put forth, how this conclusion continues to go unchallenged.


4 posted on 05/27/2004 6:59:10 PM PDT by Dolphy
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To: wagglebee
Oklahoma City bomber Terry Nichols met with World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Yousef in the Philippines

Total coincidence. ....a freak occurrence. Everyone knows there was no Islamist connection to OKC, and that evil white militia-types were solely responsible for that terrorist act.

5 posted on 05/27/2004 7:01:13 PM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: Travis McGee; archy; Squantos; MeekOneGOP; onyx; MEG33; SJackson; mhking

here we go.


6 posted on 05/27/2004 7:06:35 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: Mr. Mojo

Yeah and the Waco crowd was a lot more dangerous than the prisoners in Abu Ghraib or Guantamano./sarcasm


7 posted on 05/27/2004 7:06:38 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee

Holy crap!


8 posted on 05/27/2004 7:10:59 PM PDT by Imal (Enough of this! Let's hear more about Abu Ghraib.)
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To: wagglebee

Yikes, the truth is starting to get reported. Another sign some would say. Hopefully the truth will turn out to be similar to my perceptions.


9 posted on 05/27/2004 7:15:17 PM PDT by TBall
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To: wagglebee
There's a lot of similarities between the terrorists who worship the Koran and the militants who worship the Second Amendment.

Both believe in a higher authority that compels them to murder innocent women and children for no constructive reason.

10 posted on 05/27/2004 7:15:45 PM PDT by bayourod (Gay weddings will provoke Muslim terrorist attacks on America, but the press will blame Bush)
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To: wagglebee

I listened to her talk for about an hour while driving the no man's land between Montgomery and Mobile last week on USA Radio (I think). What she talked about in that time span left me with little doubt that John Doe 2 is out there running around and the Feds know who he is - Hussein al somethin' Hussein. Apparently this cat has some serious terror ties, and (don't quote me on this) I believe she said something about a Saddam Hussein tie.


11 posted on 05/27/2004 7:16:18 PM PDT by numberonepal
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To: bayourod
Thank goodness for sarcasm.
12 posted on 05/27/2004 7:18:36 PM PDT by TBall
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To: wagglebee
See http://jaynadavis.com/ for more info, and you can buy her book there as well.
13 posted on 05/27/2004 7:18:39 PM PDT by numberonepal
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To: bayourod
Both believe in a higher authority that compels them to murder innocent women and children

Probably just a little off base. Watch out for the pick-off throw.

14 posted on 05/27/2004 7:23:21 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: TBall
I'm not talking about the NRA crowd, or most of the militia groups, I'm talking about the clinically psychos who think they're on some holy 2nd Amendment mission.

The average gun enthusiast understands that the 2nd Amendment is no different than any other part of the Constitution; subject to the same changing political, cultural, and technological influences.

15 posted on 05/27/2004 7:29:19 PM PDT by bayourod (Gay weddings will provoke Muslim terrorist attacks on America, but the press will blame Bush)
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To: wagglebee
I don't think Reno, Clinton, Gore et al missed this at all. They chose to ignore it so they could blame right wing extremists like Rush. Clinton's polls were down and the jerk had the nerve to say that the OKC bombing saved his presidency! Where was the outcry from the media at that kind of reckless statement?
16 posted on 05/27/2004 7:34:13 PM PDT by ladyinred (The leftist media is the enemy within.)
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To: wagglebee

Now folks don't be too hard on Klintoon and NotsoBright. If they would have gone off after McVeigh's known contacts, they'd have had no excuse for not picking up Bin Laden. Remember, Klintoon says there was no reason to pick up Laden.

Embassy bombings, the Cole, the Somalia fiasco, yeah Klintoon says there was no reason.

Since Klinton and Notso have repeatedly confirmed that they had 'no REASON', I'm inclined to side with them.

< /sarcasm >

Neither had a lick of sense. Neither saw any benefit to bringing in McVeigh and Nichol's Al Qaeda connections. Neither of those people get it to this day.

Well I do have reason, and I think both Klintoon and Notso should be sitting in a dark, dank dirt hole somewhere, for the rest of their natural days.

Judgement day is coming. Thank heaven there is a God.


17 posted on 05/27/2004 7:36:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Dolphy
RE: "I just read her book. I just have no idea, with the amount of "evidence" she seems to put forth, how this conclusion continues to go unchallenged."

What would "challenge" the evidence?

I have not read the book but Richard Clarke's book is quoted by a few columnists thus, "Ramzi Yousef and [Terry] Nichols had been in the city of Cebu on the same days.... Could the al Qaeda explosives expert have been introduced to the angry American?... We do know that Nichols's bombs did not work before his Philippine stay and were deadly when he returned. We also know that Nichols continued to call Cebu long after his wife returned to the United States."

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/mylroie200404050847.asp

Though Clarke is hardly reliable I nevertheless wonder why he's straying from covering for Clinton. Why would he include something in his book that raises questions about the the lone "ditto-head" bombers, McVeigh and Nichols?

One mainstream source says, "Clarke says he could never disprove a conspiracy theory linking Ramzi Yousef and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, al-Qaeda operatives who helped plan the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, and Terry Nichols, one of the organizers of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-03-28-clarke-book_x.htm

I say again. Patriots endured years of abuse, ridicule, and threats before we got serious investigations of Ruby Ridge and Waco.

18 posted on 05/27/2004 7:39:53 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: wagglebee
My question is how did Reno miss this?

She was on a similar compensation plan as Scott Ritter and Hans Blix.

19 posted on 05/27/2004 7:49:53 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: wagglebee
In the Jan. 8, 1998, court statement to which McVeigh referred, Yousef proclaimed, "Yes, I am a terrorist and proud of it as long as it is against the U.S. government," before being sentenced to 240 years in jail.

And so why was this verim not exterminated? Did the Clinton Admin Lefties think he/it could be rehabilitated? LOL!

20 posted on 05/27/2004 7:52:04 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: cgk

*ping*


21 posted on 05/27/2004 7:52:10 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
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To: MizSterious
I wish there could be some punishment for these people.

There will be.

22 posted on 05/27/2004 7:53:28 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham

Yep, I would love to see a real investigation into where the "Oil for Food" money went, someone should audit Annan, Albright, Clinton and all their commie cohorts.


23 posted on 05/27/2004 7:53:29 PM PDT by wagglebee
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To: wagglebee
My question is how did Reno miss this? Oh yeah, she only cared about protecting Clinton.

Maybe Jamie Gorelick never told her...

24 posted on 05/27/2004 7:56:49 PM PDT by tubebender (A tag line is nothing more and nothing less than a tag line...)
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To: wagglebee

UN investigations, as in other Leftist investigations, imply "we pay you a lot of money to investigate, and you don't find anything". Kofi Anan and "Clinton the First" have this in common -- they both preside(d) over organized crime syndicates.


25 posted on 05/27/2004 8:00:51 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Here is the connection:

The 1993 World Trade Center bombing was supposed to be the ultimate retaliation by Saddam Hussein for the first Gulf War. But it failed; the bomb was not powerful enough to bring down the towers. Still determined to bring down the towers, Saddam and his Al Qaeda henchmen had to come up with some new plans, and these had to be tested.

1. First, they needed to see if they could build a more powerful bomb. But this could not be tried out on the WTC itelf because of the possibility of failure and arrest again. So they went to a place the Americans would least expect, a place where there were already a lot of Iraqis and they could blend into the landscape while they plotted their test. Oklahoma City. They already knew Terry Nichols, and it was easy for Nichols to recruit his friend Tim McVeigh to do the dirty work. While that bomb did kill lots of people, it still was not powerful enough to bring down the WTC towers. So truck bombs were abandoned.

2. Ramzi Yousef (the Iraqi) and friends had been fantasizing for a long time about crashing airliners into buildings such as the CIA. At some point, they put two and two together and started thinking about crashing planes into the WTC towers as the best way to bring them down.

3. This time, they knew the plot had to work or they were through. They could not afford to fail again. In order to ensure that the plot would succeed, they needed to know the explosive power of a fully-loaded jumbo jet. So they blew up TWA 800. They got the data they needed, right out of the newspapers that reported every detail of the explosion and the size and spread of the debris. They knew their plan would work. All they needed was time to find the men who would learn to fly the jets and train for the hijackings.

Bill Clinton did nothing about any of this because it was "the economy, stupid" and a war on terror was just not in his game plan. He had the lily-livered Warren Christopher as Secretary of State who would not have supported committing troops if Washington, D.C, itself was being bombed. Plus he got the added bonus of being able to pin McVeigh as a right-wing militia nut, which helped him get reelected. He had to squelch the TWA 800 investigation because it led right back to OKC and to the first WTC bombing.

26 posted on 05/27/2004 8:04:38 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (And now, Dems_R_EVIL --- Pukin Dog)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

27 posted on 05/27/2004 8:04:55 PM PDT by nutmeg (Why vote for Bush? Imagine Commander in Chief John Fin al-Qerry)
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To: wagglebee

She "missed" it because, as we've all known all along, and we've hear Dick Morris say, Clinton wanted nothing what-so-ever to do with terrorism, or anything like it, and a connection between the terrorists who FIRST bombed the WTC in 1993 and the OKC bombings and McVeigh and Nichols was more than Clinton could handle!!


28 posted on 05/27/2004 8:10:37 PM PDT by soozla (BUSH/CHENEY '04)
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To: wagglebee
"Sources close to the defense have told me, and this comes from recorded conversations with his wife, Lana Padilla, that Terry Nichols is going to remain clammed up for the rest of his natural days on earth," Davis told Batchelor.

Given the context, this is most definitely a misuse of the expression "natural days."

29 posted on 05/27/2004 8:25:32 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: soozla

Well, call me naive...but I will never believe that McVeigh nor Nichols actually did the deed.

After the fact, we are learning more of terrorism, and I will always think that this was not domestic, but foreign.

I believe they used Americans as dupes.


30 posted on 05/27/2004 8:27:00 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: King Prout

The strong possibility that Nichols had some contact in the Phillipines with terrorists has been around a long time..Proving it is the problem...

Telling isn't going to get Nichols any slack on the death penalty and he hates the government anyway..Why be helpful?...

The outrage would have been tremendous if McVeigh or Nichols escaped the death penalty in order to get them to reveal they colluded with Islamofascists....

McVeigh and Nichols were ours..our fellow countrymen, so I say they are worse than foreign terrorists.


31 posted on 05/27/2004 8:31:04 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: Conservababe

Oh, I agree......there is a name the terrorists use for dupes such as McVeigh and Nichols. I thinks it's "lily whites" something like that, so they would "blend in" and be less suspect............but Clinton totally shut down at the thought of any amount of public panic or remote connection to terrorism again, after the first WTC bombing, and I think the lid was put on pretty tight and all appearances were made so that it appeared to be a "disgruntled white man" and a "radical militia group from rural MI" who were responsible for OKC. Clinton just wanted to keep his and his wife's fat asses on Air Force 1 and expend the least amount of effort actually "working" as possible!!


32 posted on 05/27/2004 8:34:33 PM PDT by soozla (BUSH/CHENEY '04)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

This all makes perfect sense. Is this a summary of Jayna Davis's scenario? If not, what is the source of this scenario?


33 posted on 05/27/2004 8:34:54 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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To: bayourod

What a load of horse doo-doo


34 posted on 05/27/2004 8:40:03 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: bayourod

I'll give up my sixshooter when you give up your computer.


35 posted on 05/27/2004 8:52:54 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Vote a Straight Republican Ballot. Rid the country of dems.)
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To: wagglebee

Maybe Nichols will spill the truth in exchange for avoiding the needle.


36 posted on 05/27/2004 8:57:21 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Shooter 2.5
"I'll give up my sixshooter when you give up your computer. "

I'll never give up my holy computer. It's the source of all absolute truth, handed down by the one true prophet Bill Gates and guaranteed to bring unerring correctness for five years by Fryes.

37 posted on 05/27/2004 9:23:02 PM PDT by bayourod (Gay weddings will provoke Muslim terrorist attacks on America, but the press will blame Bush)
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To: wagglebee

bump


38 posted on 05/27/2004 9:26:38 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: soozla

Lets not forget about Flt. 800


39 posted on 05/27/2004 9:28:43 PM PDT by al baby (Hope I don't get into trouble for this)
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To: bayourod

A computer is not only a tool but a weapon


40 posted on 05/27/2004 9:31:12 PM PDT by al baby (Hope I don't get into trouble for this)
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To: bayourod
There's a lot of similarities between the terrorists who worship the Koran and the militants who worship the Second Amendment. Both believe in a higher authority that compels them to murder innocent women and children for no constructive reason.

McVeigh and Nickles did not worship the second amendment, although they were allegedly angry about what happened at Waco. But the government did kill innocent women and children at Waco. Even if you discount the fire, a few were killed in the initial assault on the "compound" by the BATF. They certainly don't "worship" the second amendment, in fact their very existence is an affront to the Constitution. Now I don't worship the Constitution, but I did take an oath, several times in fact, to "support and defend" it against "all enemies, foreign and domestic". I take that oath seriously, as do many others who took it, whether recently or decades ago.

41 posted on 05/27/2004 9:31:48 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: Rebelbase
He cannot do so. When you make a pact with the devil, you keep your mouth shut.

I will always remember McVeigh being asked the question in an interview if he had any foreign connections to the bombing. He said "no, if I had, do you still think I would be alive?".
42 posted on 05/27/2004 9:32:35 PM PDT by Conservababe
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To: wagglebee

Was Nicoles a Moslem? What are the odds that a Moslem terrorist organization in the Philippines would cooperate with an infidel American. Would they have given the technical and material support given Terry Nicoles if he were an unbeliever? Hmmmmmm.


43 posted on 05/27/2004 9:37:46 PM PDT by kingpost
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To: ValerieUSA
If I were a mainstream Muslim I would feel like I had a duty to vocally criticize Osma Ben Laden and Islamofacists terrorists. I would feel like they betrayed my religion and endangered me and my family.

Well, I'm a conservative who believes in a responsible defense of the 2nd Amendment, and I feel like I have a duty to repudiate the Timothy McVeighs, Terry Nichols and other clinically psycho 2nd Amendment terrorists who believe they have a moral duty to kill innocent children and adults.

How do you classify yourself? Do you believe that Nichols and McVeigh are true patriot heroes? Would you bomb an elementary school just to draw attention to your cause?

44 posted on 05/27/2004 9:41:40 PM PDT by bayourod (Gay weddings will provoke Muslim terrorist attacks on America, but the press will blame Bush)
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To: bayourod; Admin Moderator; *bang_list; Joe Brower; Squantos; wardaddy; Mulder; coloradan; Eaker; ...
There's a lot of similarities between the terrorists who worship the Koran and the militants who worship the Second Amendment.

Both believe in a higher authority that compels them to murder innocent women and children for no constructive reason.

There's a lot of similarities between the flame war inciting trolls who infest Free Republic and compulsive pederasts who molest little boys.

Both believe in a higher authority that compels them to molest little boys for no constructive reason.

One disgusting non-sequitor deserves another.

Admin moderator: do we really need this flame-baiting troll on this forum?

45 posted on 05/27/2004 9:42:15 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: bayourod

I'm a traditionalists when it comes to the Constitution and the Bill of Rights but nowhere in there can I find baby killing.

You sir are a dolt.


46 posted on 05/27/2004 9:46:45 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Permanent Source of Sarcasm. PSS)
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To: El Gato
"But the government did kill innocent women and children at Waco. "

I share that opinion, but I don't think that gives me the right to blow up a child care center.

How about you. Do you feel like Waco gives you a license to kill innocent women and children? Did Waco give McVeigh and Nichols the right to bomb the federal building.

Perhaps you can explain to us why McVeigh and Nichols are saints, while the 9/11 pilots were bad guys.

47 posted on 05/27/2004 9:52:52 PM PDT by bayourod (Gay weddings will provoke Muslim terrorist attacks on America, but the press will blame Bush)
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To: big ern
Have you publicly denounced McVeigh and Nichols, or have you called ATF officers "jack-booted-thugs."

Do you hope they will win on appeal or do you hope they will be executed as swiftly and painfully as possible?

As President Bush said,"You're either with us, or you are with the terrorists."

48 posted on 05/27/2004 9:58:21 PM PDT by bayourod (Gay weddings will provoke Muslim terrorist attacks on America, but the press will blame Bush)
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To: Travis McGee

Do you denounce McVeigh and Nichols or not? It's that simple.


49 posted on 05/27/2004 10:01:00 PM PDT by bayourod (Gay weddings will provoke Muslim terrorist attacks on America, but the press will blame Bush)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Why would he include something in his book that raises questions about the the lone "ditto-head" bombers, McVeigh and Nichols?

Because it serves the larger purpose of associating "ditto-heads" with terrorists.
50 posted on 05/27/2004 10:03:59 PM PDT by uncitizen
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