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Spaceguard Near Earth Asteroid (NEA) Report
SpaceRef ^ | 05/27/2004

Posted on 05/28/2004 7:30:14 AM PDT by cogitator

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To: hchutch
If we can land a spacecraft with a scientific instruments on an asteroid, we could land a spacecraft with what the Air Force calls a "physics package" consisting of a "special store" on an asteroid.

As long as we catch it far enough out, we won't need too much of a "physics package" to push it out of our way. I read something recently about the matter, and was surprised at how little of a nudge these would need far enough out, but it makes perfect sense, considering that we aren't talking about one object on a simple X/Y axis.

21 posted on 05/28/2004 11:10:45 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: hchutch
Landing on the asteroid and then sending the signal to activate the physics package should solve the problem.

Well, if "physics package" is a euphemism for a B-O-M-B, an uncontrolled explosion might be more dangerous. As you note NEAR, I think that it wouldn't be difficult at all to land a ion propulsion engine and nudge a potentially dangerous object into a non-dangerous orbit. But you have to have lead time for this to work.

22 posted on 05/28/2004 11:13:34 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: Physicist

Beat me to it! I said the same thing in response 22.


23 posted on 05/28/2004 11:14:33 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

I think we should honor prominent DemocRATs by naming NEA after them, because their goal is to make us weak so our enemies can destroy us.


24 posted on 05/28/2004 11:20:45 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, DemocRATs believe every day is April 15th. - Reagan)
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To: cogitator; Physicist; Poohbah

Keep in mind, I'm thinking a B83's "physics package" - we're talking eighty (80) times the power of the bomb that was used in Hiroshima.

At point-blank range on a 1000 meter-wide asteroid - part of it would be vaporized.


25 posted on 05/28/2004 11:21:05 AM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: El Gato
If the dinosaurs were still around, you could ask them if they thought it might be a good investment. But they aren't because they couldn't do it, and one of those asteroids got them.

Considering something is trotted out every decade to scare us into submission to more government, I'll stick with my boondoggle angle, thanks.

(Global cooling, then global warming, water shortages, oil shortages, overpopulation, now underpopulation of western society..ad nauseum)

26 posted on 05/28/2004 11:21:56 AM PDT by JOAT
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To: RightWhale

I agree. What I said above.


27 posted on 05/28/2004 12:25:44 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: cogitator

And my response #9 :-)


28 posted on 05/28/2004 12:26:57 PM PDT by RadioAstronomer
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To: hchutch
part of it would be vaporized

And it would probably affect the trajectory a bit, too.

If we were faced with a near-certain impact, and not enough lead time to implement nudging orbital corrections (but enough lead time to do something other than confirming that our salvation plan is in order), more drastic/risky/uncertain outcome plans would certainly be considered and perhaps tried.

Did you ever read "The Cold Equations" or see the fairly recent Sci-Fi channel movie? Not necessarily the greatest story (it was written in the 1950s, after all), but if an asteroid is discovered on collision course with Earth, all of us will learn about the implacability of "the cold equations" soon enough.

I hope we never have to face that situation. But I think that it's worthwhile to keep thinking about what might be done if we do.

29 posted on 05/28/2004 12:27:54 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: Physicist

Again.. an asteriod on the smaller end of the scale will "burn up" in the atmosphere causing no damage. One on the larger scale would end up creating a ton of mini bombs if you will. But an asteriod of that size would be an Earth killer anyways.


30 posted on 05/28/2004 12:34:16 PM PDT by Almondjoy
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To: RadioAstronomer
And my response #9 :-)

Acknowledged, sir! Great, er, good minds think similarly.

31 posted on 05/28/2004 12:34:48 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: JOAT
"Will Fearmonger For Tax Dollars"

NASA did it with the "ozone hole" a decade or so ago.

Then, they migrated to "global warming".

Now, its a perfectly natural occurance that they want to mess with...

32 posted on 05/28/2004 12:35:47 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Walkingfeather
it would just need to bump it out of its present tragectory.

"Painting" it white or black will speed up/down the velocity too.

(I always get confused which does what)

33 posted on 05/28/2004 12:39:57 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Almondjoy
Again.. an asteriod on the smaller end of the scale will "burn up" in the atmosphere causing no damage.

Siderites don't burn up in the atmosphere unless they are tiny. Aerolites can burn up in the atmosphere whether they are broken into pieces or not, even if they are large enough to cause major damage. The Tunguska object--apparently an aerolite--burned up entirely before hitting the ground, and it still devastated a vast area.

So smashing a small object doesn't help.

One on the larger scale would end up creating a ton of mini bombs if you will. But an asteriod of that size would be an Earth killer anyways.

If it hits the Earth, yes. But if it remains intact, it can be steered away from its collision course.

So smashing a big object doesn't help.

34 posted on 05/28/2004 12:46:38 PM PDT by Physicist
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To: Calvin Locke
NASA did it with the "ozone hole" a decade or so ago.

NASA atmospheric observations only confirmed the ground-based measurements of stratospheric ozone depletion over Antarctica in the southern hemisphere spring (October). In fact, the data analysts originally thought the data was erroneous -- they had to get the ground-based measurements to confirm that the satellite data wasn't wrong.

35 posted on 05/28/2004 1:04:46 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator
NASA atmospheric observations only confirmed

That's not how I remember it being "sold". I don't doubt that the science is valid for that particular "snapshot", but
NASA went overboard in pimping itself as envirowacko for funding - the Algorists.

36 posted on 05/28/2004 1:29:50 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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