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Berg, Moussaoui and the OK bombing ties ^ | 2004/5/24 1:23:12 | By Ewing2001

Posted on 05/28/2004 8:10:06 PM PDT by antonia

The links between Nick Berg and Zacarias Moussaoui, once described as the 20th hijacker of 9/11, opened now room for new speculations, if there are deeper ties between the OKC Bombing'95 and 9/11, than thought before. Apparently Berg knew also Moussaoui's roomates. One of them was Mujahid Menepta, who is connected to both 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1995 OKC bombing. But Menepta wasn't arrested in Summer 2001, when Moussaoui got caught. The FBI waited until after Sep11th.Why?

Berg, Moussaoui and the OK bombing ties

By Ewing2001


On May 18th, 2004, according to Newsmax, Nick Berg's family insisted that it was Moussaoui himself who met Berg on the bus in 1999. The FBI thinks, that Berg may have known also Moussaoui's two other Oklahoma University roomates.

One of these roomates is known as Hussein al-Attas. Like Berg, al-Attas was an engineering student.

According to the public files, Zacarias Moussaoui lived in Norman, Oklahoma for six months in 2001 and attended Airman Flight School in Norman from February to May 2001. During the evenings, he worked out at Huston Huffman Center.

On August 10 or 11, Al-Attas, a Yemeni whose family moved to Saudi Arabiai, had driven Moussaoui to Minnesota from Norman about a week before Mousaoui got arrested on August 17 on an immigration violation.

According to official indictments, Al-Attas drove his white Ford without Moussaoui back to Norman.

Al-Attas lived with former OU student Mukkaram Ali and Moussaoui in Kraettli Apartments, OU housing south of Timberdell Road, at 209 1A Wadsack. Al-Attas attended OU as a full-time student until fall 2001.

Another roomate of Moussaoui was Mujahid Abdulqaadir Menepta aka Melvin Lattimore. After Sep11th, Menepta was held first as a material witness. Later he was charged with illegally possessing a gun that investigators found while searching his house. Mujahid Abdulqaadir Menepta said in an interview that he, Al-Attas, Mukkaram Ali and Moussaoui met at a Norman mosque and often ate together.

Hussein Al-Attas, and Mukkaram Ali were arrested within a couple days of Sept. 11.

By now, this seems to be odd. All three, al-Attas, Mujahid Abdulqaadir Menepta and Mukharam Ali had a big file linked to the Oklahoma City Bombings in 1995. Why didn't the FBI arrest them already in August 2001? (more....)

According to various media reports, Menepta is connected to both 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the 1995 OKC bombing.

According to Jeffrey Whitney, an agent for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, who testified in court on November 10, 2001, Menepta had been brought to the attention of federal law enforcement as a possible bombing suspect one day after the 1995 OKC attack.

Whitney, described as federal informant, said that Menepta belonged to an Islamic group in Norman and St. Louis, whose leaders advocated terrorist acts and killing law enforcement agents.

During that time, Menepta was accompanied by Peter Langan and James Rosencrans; two other OKC suspects.

One of Menepta's attorneys was Susan Otto, also attorney of Timothy McVeigh, the main suspect behind the OKC bombings.

Menepta was connected to the WTC 93 bombing via a credit card and he was a person of interest in the OKC bombing as a result of information received from an FBI informant.

Back to Moussaoui: His own arrestment and statements are very strange, too.

He thinks, that he was observed for weeks by the FBI, before they arrested him. Other speculations even imply, that Menepta was a FBI informant too and one of the guys, who observed Moussaoui.

In one of Moussaoui's early motions, he also claimed, that the FBI is hiding concrete evidence of their cover up operation before Sep11th against him and the 19 hijacker: the bug electric fan planted by the FBI.

In another motion, he stated, that the FBI decided to arrest him, and not (Hani) Hanjour... who was also reported by PAN AM flight school: Because the FBI knew by their secret under cover surveillance operation that Zacarias Moussaoui was not with the 19 hijacker...

More bizarre, Moussaoui's lawyers are changing during the last years. His French attorney Isabel Coutant Peyre is a law partner of Francois Genoud protégé Jacques Verges. She is also the future wife of once famous terrorist,Carlos the Jackal.

Moussaoui's connection with Norman is older than 2001.

According to the indictment, already on September 29, 2000, Moussaoui made e-mail contact with Airman Flight School in Norman. Then we have the 1999 bus meeting with Nick Berg.

The officially timeline states, that on February 23, 2001, he flew from London to Chicago and then to Oklahoma City.

What he did in the next few days is unknown or at least not accounted for in the indictment. But on February 26, Moussaoui opened a bank account in Norman, depositing $32,000. Officially, then from February 26 to May 29, he attended the flight school in Norman.

Between July 29 and August 4, Moussaoui made calls from public pay phones in Norman to Germany. On August 1 and 3, Ramzi Bin al-Shibh wired Moussaoui a total of about $14,000 from two train stops in Germany (Hamburg and Dusseldorf) to somewhere in Oklahoma. According to the indictment, Binalshibh is using the name Sabat.

Bin al-Shibh then travels from Dusseldorf to Madrid and drops out of sight. On Sept. 11, 2002, Bin al-Shibh is captured in Pakistan, but is now being interrogated at an undisclosed location.

It is not clear, where exactly Moussaoui got his money from, but according to the indictments, one track points on Standard Charted Bank, which also had an office in WTC 7.

Which brings us back to the story of Fayez Ahmed (United Airlines Flight 175) and Mustawa Al-Hawsawi.

Fayez Ahmed was officially one of the hijackers, who took over UA175, together with Atta's buddy Marwan Al-Shehhi.

On July 18, 2001, Fayez Ahmed gave power of attorney to someone named Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi aks Mustafa Ahmed for Fayez Ahmed's Standard Chartered Bank accounts in UAE.

On June 25, 2001, al-Hawsawi used a cash deposit to open a checking account at a Standard Chartered Bank branch in Dubai, UAE.

On or about September 6, 2001, approximately $8,055 was wired from Fayez Ahmed's Florida SunTrust account to the Standard Chartered Bank account over which Mustawa Al-Hawsawi had power of attorney.

On September 8, 2001, Mohammed Atta wired $5,000 to Mustafa Ahmed in the UAE.

On September 11, 2001, in UAE, at about 9:22 a.m. local time (the early morning hours of Eastern Daylight Time), Mustafa Ahmed al-Hawsawi moved approximately $6,534 from the $8,055 in Fayez Ahmed's Standard Chartered Bank account into his own account, using a check dated September 10, 2001 and signed by Fayez Ahmed; Al-Hawsawi then withdrew approximately $1,361, nearly all the remaining balance in Ahmed's account, by ATM cash withdrawal.

On September 11, 2001, in UAE, approximately $40,871 was prepaid to a VISA card connected to Al-Hawsawi's Standard Chartered Bank account.

Who is Al-Hawsawi? There are conflicting reports. According to early versions, he also used the aliases Mustafa Ahmed and Hashem Abdollahi.

However, in later versions (Guardian) from October 2001, it is reported that the real name of Mustafa Mohamed Ahmad; is Sheikh Saeed.

A few days later, CNN confirms that this Sheik Syed ; is the British man Ahmed Omar Saeed Sheikh aka Shaikh Saiid al-Sharif.

Then, in late 2002, US media reported, that officials now say there is no such person as Shaikh Saiid al-Sharif. Instead, he is probably a composite of three different people: [Mustafa Ahmed] Al-Hisawi; Shaikh Saiid al-Masri, al-Qaeda's finance chief, and Saad al-Sharif, another one of bin Laden's many brother-in-laws.

If Hawsawi is the same man as Saeed Sheikh aka Sheik Syed, Ahmad Umar Sheikh, Umar Sheikh, Sheik Omar Saeed, or Omar Saiid Sheikh, it's getting interesting.

It was confirmed, that Pakistan's secret service, ISI Director Lt. Gen. Mahmood Ahmed ordered Saeed to give Mohamed Atta $100,000.

Then we have the odd story of the Dreamland Motel.

Two of the official 9/11 highjackers held a meeting at a motel in Oklahoma City in August 2001. The motel's owner has identified them as ringleader Mohammed Atta and Zacarias Moussaoui. The motel was farther away than other, reasonably priced motels.

Atta, for whatever reason, wanted this motel.

However, the same motel was apparently frequented by Mujahid Menepta, associate of Mousssaoui, who visited the motel in the time before the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing.

This same motel was also reported to have been host to Timothy McVeigh and alleged Middle Eastern and/or Iraqi nationals.

Former Oklahoma City TV reporter Jayna Davis

interviewed motel staff and former guests. In the process, she collected signed affidavits about their contacts with McVeigh and the Iraqis. She tried twice to give the Bureau this information, but the FBI refused to accept her materials.

According to the latest reports about the trial of OK-co conspirator Timothy Nichols, older investigations about McVeighs famous Ryder truck had been reconfirmed.

In 1995, CNN has discovered new information that ties suspect Timothy McVeigh to the alias used to rent the truck for the bombing of the Oklahoma City Federal Building.

The alias was Bob Kling. The same alias was also used in the Oklahoma Motel. Also another former Dreamland Motel owner, Leah McGowan remembered a man in a Ryder truck.

The Ryder truck used in the Oklahoma City bombing and fingerprints found on evidence were also highlights in April 2004, of testimony in the trial of Terry Nichols.

Eldon Elliott testified at the Pittsburg County Courthouse about renting a Ryder rental truck from his Junction City, Kan., body shop to a man who identified himself as Bob Kling.


Back in 1995, agents raced to the Ryder Rental agency in Junction City. There, owner Eldon Elliot and his employees assisted an FBI artist who created two pictures: one of the man who rented the truck, as well as another who'd been in the office about the same time. Labeled John Doe 1 and John Doe 2, the suspects' portraits were shown throughout the rental agency's area. By the evening after the bombing, manager Lea McGown of the Dreamland Motel said she recognized the man federal agents called Kling.

Now some independent researchers think, that John Doe 2 was Moussaoui. Far fetched?

Back to another OKC/9/11 coincidence:

OK researchers complained also about yet another track, which hasn't been carefully followed by the FBI:

Three Pakistanis were arrested and then released in OKC and Dallas on the day of the OKC bombing. One of them, Asad Siddiqy was another suspect in the first World Trade Center bombing. Another arrested pakistani was Husseini al-Hussein, who worked right after the Oklahoma bombing, as a cook at Boston's Logan Airport. There are claims around, Husseini was also monitored by CIA.

The other released man was Mohammed Chafi, who had driven to Oklahoma City seeking documents for an emergency return to their Middle Eastern homeland.

Then there were the six middle east contacts of McVeigh.

Here is one of them:

Apparently McVeigh was in touch with someone nameed Sam Khalid (Sahara Properties). Khalid received his M.A. from Oklahoma City University in 1975 and his background story already filled dozens of websites.

The same Khalid also owned a property on which a body shop is located--Route 66 Auto Collision--a nondescript, run down place on the far side of town.

Route 66, curiously, is two miles directly due west of the Woodscape Apartments, which got bombed.

After the bombing, Route 66 changed it's name to Tom's.

In 1995, Hani Kamal, a Lebanese/Jordanian businessman, occasional FBI informant, and long-time acquaintance of Khalid's was shown KFOR TV's surveillance photos by OCPD officer Don Browning, when he identified Khalid.

Kamal, who claimed to have worked with the Insurance Fraud Division of the FBI , believed Khalid is a money launderer.

However, Top federal officials, including Attorney General Janet Reno, had repeatedly stressed the arrested men on the day of the OK bombings were not suspects.

And there are many other unanswered questions about Oklahoma City's terror ties.

Who was the man at the OU library, who purchased a ticket for the official Sep 11th hijackers?

In the fall of 2001, INN Correspondent Michael P. Wright, was talking to an OU library employee who told him that she was present when an FBI agent was interviewing her colleague. From this encounter she learned that an OU library computer terminal had been used for an online purchase of an airline ticket for a 9/11 hijacker who was on the plane which crashed in Pennsylvania.

She also told him that the person who made the purchase was a white American male.

Was this white male Nick Berg? Moussaoui roomates had no white skin.

What kind of job did Berg have in 2001, when he wasn't registered as student any more? Did he work as a clerk in the library?

Then, on April 1, 2001, Nawaf al-Hazmi, who officially helped hijack American Airlines Flight 77, was stopped for speeding in Oklahoma and given two tickets. The Oklahoma state trooper found no outstanding warrants and turned al-Hazmi loose. The media has since reported that the CIA had been tracking al-Hazmi, but never told the immigration service or the FBI that he was a suspected terrorist during his 21-month U.S. stay. Why wasn't George Tenet asked about al-Hazmi's speeding ticket yet?

In November 2001, three other Pakistani , Electrical engineering junior Mohammad Yaseen Haider, business senior Nabeel Khalid and computer engineering senior Mohammad Imran Shaikh, all roommates at 207-B Wadsack Drive, in yet another apartment of Kraettli, south of Lindsey Street, got arrested.

What happened with this story?

Maybe the following weeks will bring more lights into these unexplained oddities.

Meanwhile, Nick Berg's father, Michael Berg, continues to make headlines.

Last Saturday, several thousand people marched through the centre of London on Saturday May 22 to demand the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq.

The march was called by the Stop the War Coalition (STWC), the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) and the Muslim Association of Britain (MAB) in response to the revelations of torture in military prisons in Iraq. Marchers demanded an end to the torture and an end to the occupation.

At a rally in Trafalgar Square, the most moving and significant contribution was read on behalf of Michael Berg.

Berg is deeply critical of the Bush administration, holding them responsible for the fate of his son. He denounced Bush as a policy-maker who does not have to live with the consequences of his policies.

But the disturbing question is still in the air: Was Michael Berg's son yet another CIA informant?

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Take this with a grain of salt, but it jives with a lot of other stuff that I have read. I don't know who 'Ewing2001' is; this is from another forum, but it sure makes for a good read. ~ Toni
1 posted on 05/28/2004 8:10:07 PM PDT by antonia
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To: antonia

I am not trying to be paranoid, but this whole Michael Berg and his activities and what he has said since his son's death is a little odd. Especially given one of the terrorist "coincidentally borrowing" his computer to send an email. I don't believe in coincidence THAT much.

Too freaky and my gut tells me that there is more to this story than we know.

2 posted on 05/28/2004 8:15:57 PM PDT by sandbar
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To: antonia; Howlin; Miss Marple; AFPhys

Take a look at this. I keep hearing that Moussaoui was here in OK prior to Feb 2001 but it is all rumor and now this pops up.

3 posted on 05/28/2004 8:17:44 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: antonia

Nothing to see here.

Move along.

4 posted on 05/28/2004 8:19:36 PM PDT by VxH (This species has amused itself to death.)
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To: antonia; kdf1; AMERIKA; Lancey Howard; MudPuppy; SMEDLEYBUTLER; opbuzz; Snow Bunny; gitmogrunt; ...

Could be interesting bump

5 posted on 05/28/2004 8:23:03 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon


6 posted on 05/28/2004 8:26:39 PM PDT by JeepInMazar (
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To: sandbar

For what it is worth.

7 posted on 05/28/2004 8:44:08 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: RaceBannon

Like I say...

Nick Berg either had the sorriest case of bad luck I've ever seen, or he was living the plot of a Robert Ludlum novel.

8 posted on 05/28/2004 8:47:36 PM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: antonia; Grampa Dave
"but it sure makes for a good read. ~ Toni"

Kinda made my skull number than usual for a Friday night!

I'm not putting it down, but it reminds me of an old woman, now dead, named Mae Brussels who used to make the liberal talkshow circut before Rush Limbaugh converted all of talk radio to conservatism!

Man! She would go on for HOURS on KGO about EVERYTHING imaginable from "the grassy knoll," to space aliens recruited by the CIA to battle the KGB's crew of same!!!

As I tire of endless speculation, based largely on supposition, I know full well the human inclination of endlessly pondering the imponderable. So be it!!!

9 posted on 05/28/2004 9:06:05 PM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: Howlin

Some interesting information on the Berg matter.

10 posted on 05/28/2004 9:22:22 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: PhiKapMom

What is interesting about this, is you have told us a lot of this.

11 posted on 05/28/2004 10:12:48 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( WHAT DID MICHAEL MOORE KNOW ABOUT NICK BERG? WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?)
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To: Alamo-Girl; BellStar

Things that make you go "hummm." :)

12 posted on 05/28/2004 10:26:40 PM PDT by anymouse
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To: PhiKapMom; glock rocks; Travis McGee
Why can't people just turn away from this and let our corrupt government officials continue with their work of ignoring their oath of office and defeating the Constitution.

We all know that if their was any integrity or self pride in our government the truth would have come out long ago.

We live in a country that accepts the idea of government officials being able to declare whatever they want to be SECRET from society and to spend our tax dollars freely to maintain their secrets from us, so back off and let the sorry buggers keep going without interference from snoopy citizens.
13 posted on 05/28/2004 11:16:53 PM PDT by B4Ranch (“If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison-Dwight Eisenhower-12/8/49)
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To: antonia
RE: grains of salt

It seems to me that the author brings up two questions but does not answer them. To wit, Did Berg know Moussaoui's two other Oklahoma University roomates? Did Berg use an OU library computer terminal to make an online purchase of an airline ticket for a 9/11 hijacker?

Why not ask the questions? Who knows what the answers are. Recent stories have quoted retired FBI people associated with the OKC investigation saying it needs to be looked at again. I remember that patriots suffered years of abuse, ridicule, and threats before Congress agreed to take a serious look at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

We know the Berg-Moussaoui email story from the mainstream news. As for the rest of the article I found the information elsewhere including mainstream news media. I did not attempt to verify everything and in some cases like the Menepta's connection to Peter Langan and James Rosencrans I found that in what I consider to be reliable but it is not mainstream -- mainstream as we know and others are learning is not reliable much of the time anyhow.

I made no attempt to verify the sources for all the money transfers mentioned. I found a link of Mujahid Abdulqaadir Menepta (Melvin Lattimore) to OKC bombing and the first WTC attack. I could not find "a big file linked to the Oklahoma City Bombings in 1995" for al-Attas and Mukharam.

I seems to me the author put together what has already been written and threw in a couple of questions about Berg.

14 posted on 05/28/2004 11:24:23 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (Benedict Arnold was a hero for both sides in the same war, too!)
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To: B4Ranch

"Nothing to see here folks, move along.........."

15 posted on 05/28/2004 11:45:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- -----)
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To: antonia

Bump for later read.

16 posted on 05/28/2004 11:54:23 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Liberalism is a Hate Crime)
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To: anymouse

Thanks for the ping!

17 posted on 05/29/2004 7:49:22 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Grampa Dave

I know and I got my info from the local media -- in fact the Norman Transcript didn't have the story on line and I typed in the pertinent paragraphs. Other info has been on the radio and TV here and then some has come from local reporters that have not printed results their investigation.

For whatever reason, there is a lid on all of this. I will bet Moussaoui was in this area long before Feb 2001!

18 posted on 05/29/2004 10:35:58 AM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Support Bush-Cheney '04 -- Losing is not an Option!)
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To: Travis McGee

bring tinfoil to use if you think necessary

19 posted on 05/29/2004 5:05:07 PM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: King Prout

NOt me!

20 posted on 05/29/2004 7:19:25 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- -----)
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