Skip to comments.We Bombed the Wrong Side in Kosovo
Posted on 05/29/2004 12:24:36 PM PDT by Destro
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Back then it was easy to like Americans and al-Qaeda if you were an Albanian since both were on the same sie.
Lies. The Jews are gone from Kosovo - Kosovo ist JudenFrie! Kosovo is almost Serbain free and hundreds of Churches have gone up in flames.
Albans hate Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda. They support the USA in the war on terror. Like I told you, they are moderate Muslims.
Those who have burned churches are a little group. They don't represent most Albans of Kosovo.
You can get Saran at just about any grocery store. Satin is a little harder to come by and isn't s effective for protecting leftovers.
We were not just on the wrong side. We had no reason at all to be in that one. It was justified and celebrated as America's first Good War because the US had no national interest there at all. It was billed as a philanthropic war, as if we were doing it for United Way.
If you are right, they are the only group of Muslims I have ever heard of who do hate terrorists, at least any large group of them.
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
May 4, 1999
Some members of the Kosovo Liberation Army, which has financed its war effort through the sale of heroin, were trained in terrorist camps run by international fugitive Osama bin Laden -- who is wanted in the 1998 bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa that killed 224 persons, including 12 Americans.
The KLA members, embraced by the Clinton administration in NATO's 41-day bombing campaign to bring Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to the bargaining table, were trained in secret camps in Afghanistan, Bosnia-Herzegovina and elsewhere, according to newly obtained intelligence reports.
The reports also show that the KLA has enlisted Islamic terrorists -- members of the Mujahideen --as soldiers in its ongoing conflict against Serbia, and that many already have been smuggled into Kosovo to join the fight.
Known to its countrymen as the Ushtria Clirimatare e Kosoves, the KLA has as many as 30,000 members, a number reportedly on the rise as a result of NATO's continuing bombing campaign. The group's leadership, including Agim Ceku, a former Croatian army brigadier general, has rapidly become a political and military force in the Balkans.
The intelligence reports document what is described as a "link" between bin Laden, the fugitive Saudi millionaire, and the KLA --including a common staging area in Tropoje, Albania, a center for Islamic terrorists. The reports said bin Laden's organization, known as al-Qaeda, has both trained and financially supported the KLA.
Many border crossings into Kosovo by "foreign fighters" also have been documented and include veterans of the militant group Islamic Jihad from Bosnia, Chechnya and Afghanistan. Many of the crossings originated in neighboring Albania and, according to the reports, included parties of up to 50 men.
Jane's International Defense Review, a highly respected British Journal, reported in February that documents found last year on the body of a KLA member showed that he had escorted several volunteers into Kosovo, including more than a dozen Saudi Arabians. Each volunteer carried a passport identifying him as a Macedonian Albanian.
Bin Laden and his military commander, Mohammed Atef, were named in a federal indictment handed up in November in New York for the simultaneous explosions Aug. 7 at the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. The indictment accused the two men of directing the attacks, which injured more than 5,000 people.
The indictment said bin Laden, working through al-Qaeda, forged alliances with government officials in Iran, the National Islamic Front in the Sudan and an Iranian terrorist organization known as Hezbollah. He was indicted earlier this year by a federal grand jury in New York for his suspected terrorist activities.
The al-Qaeda is believed to have targeted U.S. embassies and American soldiers stationed in Saudi Arabia and Somalia. The organization also is accused of housing and training terrorists, and of raising money to support their causes.
The State Department, along with other federal agencies, offered a $5 million reward last year for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the two men. Mr. Clinton ordered a retaliatory attack on training bases controlled by bin Laden in Afghanistan and a chemical factory near Khartoum, Sudan, after the bombings.
Last year, while State Department officials labeled the KLA a terrorist organization, saying it bankrolled its operations with proceeds from the heroin trade and from loans from known terrorists like bin Laden, the department listed the group as an "insurgency" organization in its official reports. The officials charged that the KLA used terrorist tactics to assault Serbian and ethnic Albanian civilians in a campaign to achieve independence.
The KLA's involvement in drug smuggling as a means of raising funds for weapons is long-standing. Intelligence documents show it has aligned itself with an extensive organized crime network in Albania that smuggles heroin to buyers throughout Western Europe and the United States. Drug agents in five countries believe the cartel is one of the most powerful heroin smuggling organizations in the world.
The documents show heroin and some cocaine is moved over land and sea from Turkey through Bulgaria, Greece and Yugoslavia to Western Europe and elsewhere. The circuit has become known as the "Balkan Route."
The U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration said in a recent report that drug smuggling organizations composed of Kosovo's ethnic Albanians were considered "second only to Turkish gangs as the predominant heroin smugglers along the Balkan Route."
Greek Interpol representatives have called Kosovo's ethnic Albanians "the primary sources of supply for cocaine and heroin in that country."
France's Geopolitical Observatory of Drugs said the KLA was a key player in the rapidly expanding drugs-for-arms business and helped transport $2 billion in drugs a year into Western Europe.
German drug agents said $1.5 billion in drug profits is laundered annually by Kosovo smugglers, through as many as 200 private banks or currency-exchange offices.
Jane's Intelligence Review estimated in March that drug sales could have netted the KLA profits in the "high tens of millions of dollars." It said the KLA had rearmed itself for a spring offensive with the aid of drug money, along with donations from Albanians in Western Europe and the United States.
The question seems disingenuous, for you have already listed two laudable accomplishments in your post above. His approach to the bosniaks and kosovar albanians provides both direction and guidance to us all.
Isn't that part of the problem with this entire region. The Balkans fell victim to what many call Islam's 2nd Jihad, starting in this region from as early as 1389. With the collapse and conquest of the Byzantine Empire, the flood-gates were once again open as the dominant Eastern Orthodox Christians were left at the mercy of Islam.
While you dismiss the Serbian population in Kosovo, saying that the region was mostly Albanians...I've seen stats that put the population rate of each group at about a 50/50 representation at the turn of the 20th Century. In fact, (I'll have to see if I can find it) I got that info from an address to Congress, given by a fellow representative who opposed the war in Kosovo.
From what I understand, much of the Serbian (Christian) population of Kosovo was eliminated just prior to, and during, WWII...when the Albanians sided with Hitler as he annexed Kosovo and they carried out a system of ethnic cleansing only rivaled by the Holocaust. From what I read, this is were the huge descrepency in minority/majority status occured as even after the war, Tito wouldn't allow the Serbs to return to their homes.
While both sides have obviously committed atrocities against each other, it is only in recent history that the US has taken an interest in this so-called genocide. Ironic in a way, since the US has taken the side of the very people supported by Islamofascists, as we attacked one of our former allies in WWII.
I fear that this war wasn't just a distraction for an embattled president, but a war to extend an olive branch to the very people who want us dead. While I am willing to learn more about this region and their history, I'm sad that the American people only got one perspective when it came to who the bad guys were in this ongoing conflict.
Sure, like they did during WWII.
Milosevic is a criminal and a madman. He is anti-American and Communist. He deserves the death penalty for all his crimes.
Milosevic is as much Communist as president of Poland - Kwasniewski is. And what makes you think that he was anti-American (I would not be surprised if became such after the war).
If Dubya has more such fans he will be a loser.
Nice to know you are a fan of racism and mass murder. Exactly what are you doing on Free Republic besides bringing it discredit?
What racism? You are very ignorant about this area. People in Bosnia and Kosovo are of one race. Maybe with the exception of Gypsies who are escaping from your Albanian friends to the main part of Serbia.
What mass murder? The defeat of International Muslim Corps in Srebrenica (which after loss of few hundred mujaheddins escaped to Tuzla)? Or staged "massacre" of KLA fighers in Racac (these so called civilians had civilian clothes without bullet holes)?
So much confusion. It was not Slobo but the Federal Army under Croatian general, it was not real fight but a symbolic resistance to the unilateral illegal secession.
Do you want to buy a bridge?
These churches survived Turkish yoke, Nazis and Communists. They cannot survive NATO sponsored KLA thugs.
Here's an excerpt from the Albania country study section entitled The Balkan Wars and Creation of Independent Albania:
"In July 1913, the Great Powers opted to recognize an independent, neutral Albanian state ruled by a constitutional monarchy and under the protection of the Great Powers. The August 1913 Treaty of Bucharest established that independent Albania was a country with borders that gave the new state about 28,000 square kilometers of territory and a population of 800,000. ... The treaty, however, left large areas with majority Albanian populations, notably Kosovo and western Macedonia, outside the new state and failed to solve the region's nationality problems".
And later: " Albanians claim Kosovo based on the fact that their kinsmen have constituted the vast majority of Kosovo's population since at least the eighteenth century".
And in the Yugoslavia country study: " After the mid-eighteenth century, Albanians became a majority in Kosovo "
Census data shows that the Albanian population of Kosovo was pretty consistently at 2/3 of Kosovos population for most of the century, although it was probably higher than that prior to 1913. The Albs were not happy about the Serbian takeover and revolted. In a manner familiar to anyone who followed the Kosovo situation in 1998-99, the Serbs brutally put down the Albanian resistance, so there was a drop in the Albanian population in the WWI period.
There's some illuminating comments from the Report of the International Commission to Inquire into the Causes and Conduct of the Balkan Wars Published in 1914 by the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace:
p.158 "They [the Servians] have resumed possession of their ancient domain, Old Servia proper (Kosovo Pole and Metchia), despite the fact that this historic domain was strongly Albanian." and p. 148 ... war is waged not only by the armies but by the nations themselves. "The populations mutually slaughtered and pursued with a ferocity heightened by mutual knowledge and the old hatreds and resentments they cherished. the object of these armed conflicts, overt or covert, clearly conceived or vaguely felt, but always everywhere the same, was the complete extermination of an alien population." and p. 149 "[as a result] the Albanian population [suffered] at the hands of the Servians."
Still, the 1921 census by the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes shows that 65.8% of Kosovo's population was Albanian and 26% was Serbian. That is considered by many scholars to be an undercount of the Albanians based on Albanian reluctance to be identified for either military conscription or for paying taxes.
The 1939 census show that the non-Slav population (ethnic Albanians, Turks, Gypsies, etc.) numbered 422,828 people, or 65,6%, the native Slav population accounted for 25,2% and the settlers (mostly Serbs) for 9,2%. (Settlers refers to the Serb colonisation program; a plan to increase the Slavic population in Kosovo and parts of Macedonia by bringing in Serbs from elsewhere and giving them confiscated Albanian lands).
In 1948, Serbs were 23.6% of the population, while in 1981 they stood at only 13.2%. Because ethnic Albanians boycotted the last census in 1991, there are only estimates of the population's ethnic breakdown for that year: Albanians, 81.6%; Serbs, 9.9%. Nacionalni sastav stanovnistva SFRJ (Belgrade: Savremena administracija, 1991) and Bilten No. 1934 (Belgrade: Savezni zavod za statistiku, 1992).
The Serbian government's Kosovo Coordination Centre's web-site used to have a census table going back to 1921, but it has vaporized--it reflected Albanian majorities in Kosovo prior to WWII & that is a very politically inconvenient truth in Serbia. Here's a hard-to-read table from the UNMIK web-site that shows post WWII figures:
Table 1.1: Total Population and Population by Ethnic Origin According to Population Censuses
Year Total Alb. Serbian Others
1948 729000 68 24 8
1953 808000 65 23 11
1961 964000 67 24 9
1971 1244000 74 18 8
1981 1584000 77 13 10
1991 1956000 82 10 8
I imagine those who were killed would wish that the bullets and bombs had been "symbolic".
Hang in there, Dubya's fan. You are speaking the truth, but some of those you are addressing don't know better and are more comfortable with their ignorance--in some cases willful ignorance--than in confronting facts inconvenient to their world-view.
It was quite symbolic. When the secessionists encircle the government forces and capture thousands of them, the death a few dozens (on both sides) is symbolic. If Florida decided to unilateraly secede and captured federal troops and blockaded the bases of US Army, more people would die.
Either way the Federal troops which put up the resistence were led by a Croatian general (not by Milosevic).
Uh, A. Pole, you are way behind on your Racak talking points. The version that the killed Albanians were "so called civilians" with no bullet holes in their clothes is a few years out of date. It turned out that they really were civilians with bullet holes in their clothes that inconveniently lined up with the bullet holes in their bodies.
Let me help you. The current version is that they were civilians complete with bullet holes, but the holes were put there by bullets fired from the KLA who were setting up a staged massacre in order to blame the blameless Serbs.
Get with the program, A. Pole! I'm not always going to be around to square you away.
I wonder if he should be named "Bubba's fun". After all it was Clinton's/Dole's war.
"Current version"! Just because you say so. Tell me did KLA lose any fighers at all? Or were they all civilians?
Yarddog, in my military career I've had literally years on the ground in Africa, the Middle East, and the Balkans. I've spent lots of time with lots of Muslims, to include in both friendly and extremely unfriendly circumstances. First, when you hear Albanian--do not automatically think "Muslim". While, the Bektashi and Sunni added together make the majority in Kosovo, there is also a significant Catholic minority--in fact the elected Kosovar Albanian president is a Catholic (Rugova). In Albania proper, the religious diversity is even more pronounced--in addtion to Sunni, Bektashi, and Catholics, there is a significant minority of Albanian Orthodox. Both the elected President and Prime Minister of Albania are Christians and life is very secular.
Second, although there are a few exceptions, the Albanian Muslims are much, much more Albanian than they are Muslim. They are anti-Serb, but its because the Serbs are Serbs--not because they are Christians. That is why Albanian Catholics are part of the KLA and why Albanian Christian churches are unharmed.
In fact, because of their pro-American stance, in the only documented instance of an Al Qaeda link-up with the KLA, the KLA threw out bin laden's emissary and would not even accept the weapons he brought:
"The spotlight fell on bin Laden in Albania with the arrest in 1998 of a French passport holder, Claude Kader, who was believed to be of Middle Eastern origin. He confessed to being a member of one of bin Ladens groups and told investigators he had been sent to give weapons to the guerrillas of the Kosovo Liberation Army, then beginning their war against the Serbs. The KLA had promised US officials it would not co-operate with fundamentalists. Mr Kader said the KLA had turned him down and that he had returned to Albania, still with his weapons."
Very nice that they do not harm Albanian Christian churches, very humane. How many of them, five or ten?
Race has nothing to do with the situation over there, and you know it.
The stories of mass murder are mere albanian propaganda.
Exactly what are you doing on Free Republic besides bringing it discredit?
Upholding a standard of truth.
Here's the indictment for Racak:
Paragraph 66.a. On or about 15 January 1999, in the early morning hours, the village of Racak (Stimlje/Shtime municipality) was attacked by forces of the FRY and Serbia. After shelling, the forces of the FRY and Serbia entered the village later in the morning and began conducting house-to-house searches. Villagers, who attempted to flee from the forces of the FRY and Serbia, were shot throughout the village. A group of approximately 25 men attempted to hide in a building, but were discovered by the forces of the FRY and Serbia. They were beaten and then were removed to a nearby hill, where they were shot and killed. Altogether, the forces of the FRY and Serbia killed approximately 45 Kosovo Albanians in and around Racak. (Those persons killed who are known by name are set forth in Schedule A, which is attached as an appendix to this indictment.)
Follow the link above and the names are listed at the bottom. Those are civilian noncombatants and killing noncombatants is murder--that is what the indictment addresses.
There were KLA in Racak also. Nine were killed and I believe one died later of wounds. Their names are not included in the above as they were combatants and legitimately killed as part of a pretty successful and well conducted operation by the Serb security forces the first thing that morning. The KLA commander, Shukri Buja, describes what happened here. (Scroll down to page 6297) Its a long read. The bodies of the KLA soldiers who were killed were evacuated that day and buried in the village of Mullopolc.
Their names were Kadri Syla, Skender Qarri, Ismail Luma, Enver Rashiti, Mehmet Mustafa, Sadik Mujota, Ali Beqa Nazim Kokollari, who was also known as Budakovc, and Skender Jashari. Those names are not included on the list of civlians in the indictment.
The Racak incident took place in three general phases. First was the early morning attack in which the KLA garrison on the edge of town was surprised and suffered 9 killed. They were legitimate battlefield casualties. Second was the house to house search through the village by Serb forces while other Serb elements continued to exchange fire with the KLA who had regrouped outside the village. During this time, about twenty Albanian villagers were killed at various spots in the village as they hid or tried to flee from the Serbs. Some were certainly murdered, but it is possible that others were either accidentally caught in a cross-fire or killed by Serbs who werent taking any chances in a combat situation. Finally, in the afternoon, a group of close to 30 Albanian men was separated from the women and children of the village and taken by guards up a hill outside the village where 25 of them were shot dead by the Serbsan obvious case of mass murder. Numerous eyewitnesses saw and heard the Serbs take the murdered men away. Four men from the group escaped and reported what happened.
There's been a lot of commotion made about peripheral issues at Racak, but any fair-minded person who reads the accounts either in the ICTY transcripts or else as collected at the Human Rights Watch site can come to no other conclusion than that the Serbs committed mass murder. Now, when Slobo does his defense, perhaps he will present witnesses who saw the KLA shooting the civilians, etc. That would change everything, but so far there has been no hint of any such witnesses.
Also look at the fact that the report by Finnish experts was delayed on demands coming from the Western sponsors of KLA as it contained some indication of a fraud(so the attcak on Serbia could go on).
Another interesting fact is that this "massacre" appeared gradually under the supervision of William Walker - "humanitarian" expert has curious background of being in Central America at the time of death squads epidemic.
"If you are right, they are the only group of Muslims I have ever heard of who do hate terrorists, at least any large group of them."
In Europe, only the Alban people support the OP Iraqi Freedom.
The KLA is a Socialist guerrilla.
"Sure, like they did during WWII."
They are a very independent people - they fought against Nazis and Italian Fascists, like they fought against Turkish in the past.
"Milosevic is as much Communist as president of Poland - Kwasniewski is."
Kwasniewski was elected in democracy. The democracy of Milosevic was like Saddam's one - a fraud. In addition, he was friend of Saddam and Libia.
You're telling the truth, too.
President Bush meets with Prime Minister Ilir Meta of Albania.
President Bush supports the allies of America, like Albania. Mark503inf and I are telling the truth.
"I wonder if he should be named "Bubba's fun".
You should be named "Slobo's friend" or "Saddam's friend", becuase Slobo was friend of Saddam, so his friends are your friends.
Like President Bush said, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." If you are with Milosevic, you are with Saddam.
Albania tells Washington of willingness to send more troops to Iraq
The KLA has its origins in the SS units formed during WW2. Its fighters are descendant from those recruited by the Italians and Germans.- learn your history.
What does Albania have to do with Kosovo? Kosovo is a province of Serbia. Because Albania sent a token force in Iraq to gain favor with America Kosovo suddenly becomes part of Albania?
The Albanian Government don't want to annex Kosovo. They are freedom lovers so they support the USA and the war on terror. Albania is in our side. I don't know why you are attacking a such close ally. The Serbians aren't in the coalition.
The KLA has its origin in Macedonia in 1992.
Theis article is about Kosovo - but I know your tricks - you bring up Albania and Iraq - as a way to deflect away from the actions of Muslim Albanians in Kosovo in hopes of reducing the negative press. It is a simple con job - an attempt at deflection poorly done.
I'm telling the truth about the Albans. Most of them are moderate Muslims that love liberty and support the USA. The Alban leader in Kosovo is a Catholic, not a Muslim.
The wrong side wasn't bombed in Kosovo. Milovic was a criminal, evil madman. He was friend of Saddam.
I see, so according to you, if you are with KLA Muslims who do pogroms on Serbian Christians, on Gypsies, destroy ancient churches and if you support international mujaheddins in Bosnia you are on the side of Bush/Clinton, democracy and America. Otherwise you are a terrorists like monks and nuns from Kosovo.
I know the Albanians in Kosovo are Serbian citizens. Like I told you, most of them support Rugova. I'm not trying to hide the truth - I'm telling the truth.
"if you support international mujaheddins in Bosnia you are on the side of Bush/Clinton, democracy and America."
You're accusing President Bush of supporting terrorism. He condemns all the terrorists - so the Albanian terrorists, too. He support the peace-lovers and the freedom-lovers in Serbia, Albania, Bosnia and Kosovo.
"if you are with KLA Muslims"
The KLA is not a Islamic terrorrist group, but Socialist.
The latest version about Racak from January 17th, 2004. http://www.iacenter.org/rcak.htm
Racak was a Lie
The following article shows that the so-called massacre at Racak in Kosovo five years ago was an invention of the U.S. "ambassador" William Walker and the imperialist media to attempt to justify the planned military attack on Yugoslavia.
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