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The Sound of Silence: Iraq's WMDs Found (good factual info)
Men's News Daily ^ | May 28, 2004 | Joe Mariani

Posted on 05/29/2004 9:28:28 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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To: FairOpinion

No one seems to remember any longer the stockpiles of chemical suits and gas masks which were found in hospitals and schools during the march to Baghdad. Why else were they there except to guard the Iraqi army against the WMD to be unleased upon us? I thank psy-ops for deterring these weapons being released to harm our troops.


21 posted on 05/29/2004 11:18:09 PM PDT by ZOTnot (I'll take the side of Israel. Woe to its enemies.)
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To: All

Wife comes home to see her democratic husband in bed with another woman. Women gets up and walks out and husband says, "What woman?"
Democrats just lie and hope and pretend every one else is stupid.
I just don't understand how anyone could be a democrat.


22 posted on 05/29/2004 11:26:30 PM PDT by genghis
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To: FairOpinion

bump


23 posted on 05/29/2004 11:45:41 PM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: Grim
Am I the only one that thinks that 790 tons is a LOT of sarin?
No, you aren't. How much did the Aum cult in Japan use in the subway attack? Less than a gallon? More than a gallon? How many gallons make up a ton, anyway?
24 posted on 05/30/2004 12:26:33 AM PDT by cgk (Social Security: America's only legal Pyramid Scheme.)
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How many gallons make up a ton, anyway?

One gallon = 8.33 lbs
one ton = 240 gallons
790 tons = 189,675 gallons.

It takes less than a drop of sarin to kill a person. Saddam must have had big plans.

25 posted on 05/30/2004 3:01:32 AM PDT by Grim
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To: fourdeuce82d
Nope- the precursors are loaded when the shell is manufactured- firing the shell, and the resultant spin imparted by the rifling causes a wall between the two containers to rupture, and mixes the prescursors.

What you are describing is one type of shell - the type that went off the other day. What they are describing is a cruder type of shell that the Iraqis had been making previously.

26 posted on 05/30/2004 5:16:41 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: FairOpinion
How do you know we didn't find tons of the two materials, which only become sarin, when mixed, and therefore also "didn't count".

Did we? Cites?

27 posted on 05/30/2004 6:40:08 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: FairOpinion
There is plenty of evidence, but because we didn't find 10 tons of each fully mixed WMD properly labeled in 6 inch letters, nothing seems to count.

Evidence for what? The point was not that Iraq had chemical weapons at one time, or that there were odds and ends lying around, the point was they were thought to still have a militarily significant amount that was already weaponised.

It's the distinction between having steel bar stock, charcoal, sulfur, and potassium nitrate, or having rifles and rounds (well, black powder round anyway. and yes, you'd need a priming compound, etc.) Who knows- we may still find such a stockpile- but I doubt it, and I doubt any troops will be killed or injured by them either. And frankly, I think that's a good thing.

I'm not suggesting the WMD claims were lies- I think they were honest estimates...that turned out not to be accurate.

28 posted on 05/30/2004 6:47:24 AM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: FairOpinion
There is only one shell, not a stockpile, so it doesn't mean anything

The assumption requires us to assume that Sadaam's regime would make just one such shell, as a custom job, rather than a whole production run of thousands. A single shell has no strategic importance, a thousand are of very strategic importance

29 posted on 05/30/2004 7:37:14 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: FairOpinion
Really worth repeating over and over.It shows the bias of the meadia.

Note the news media, never talks about what happened on 9-11 -- they may mention "9-11", but no pictures, no reminders -- while they spent an entire month putting Abu Ghraib pictures on front pages.

30 posted on 05/30/2004 7:46:40 AM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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To: FairOpinion

I have a feeling we already know where they got the shells. It's just a matter of time before we round them all up and get them to a safe place.


31 posted on 05/30/2004 8:02:13 AM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Jorge

" Do they have any clue as to what danger we are in?"


I just came out of the Yahoo political chat room. Trust me....they don't. They really do NOT.


32 posted on 05/30/2004 12:19:32 PM PDT by Ozarkie
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To: fourdeuce82d

"Also, I suspect it was a 155mm artillery round, not a mortar round."

It is not mentioned here, but discussed on FR earlier, it was an unmarked shell, not different in appearance than the regular 155mm artillery rounds. Thus any quantity of these could be amoungst the vast quantites of ordinary munitions, in plain sight of any weapons inspectors. In fact, it is possible that Sadaam's stratagy called for a mix of sarin and regular shells in any artillery action.


33 posted on 05/30/2004 1:14:56 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: FairOpinion

BTTT for this news.


34 posted on 05/30/2004 1:25:15 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Western Phil
it was an unmarked shell, not different in appearance than the regular 155mm artillery rounds.

Nope. a shell without markings would be different than "regular 155mm artillery rounds"- they all have markings on them, so you can tell them appart- HE, AP WP, ILLM, etc.

Thus any quantity of these could be amoungst the vast quantites of ordinary munitions, in plain sight of any weapons inspectors.

It's possible that Blix & co. were such complete phuqwits that they would not notice a completely unmarked round. Possible, but not likely. Had they been that stupid, they probably wouldn't have been able to dress themselves.

In fact, it is possible that Sadaam's stratagy called for a mix of sarin and regular shells in any artillery action.

In which case....what? he's following exactly the same doctrine that anybody using gas rounds would use? don't understand the point of that sentence.

35 posted on 05/30/2004 6:32:53 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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> Why else were they there except to guard the Iraqi army against the WMD to be unleased upon us?
Have you heard of civillian defence? Any hospital, school or similar institution should have a shelter and a stockpile of gas masks. In your country, I suppose, too.

What for? To protect the patiens and pupils from a gas attack. By whom? Well, by the Americans, for example. Or by the Iranians.

Soldiers have their masks with them. In the event of a gas attack, there are only seconds to put a mask on, and no time to look for the nearest school.


36 posted on 01/09/2006 11:55:13 PM PST by A Russian
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To: FairOpinion

> Note the news media, never talks about what happened on
> 9-11 -- they may mention "9-11", but no pictures, no
> reminders
I'll tell you why there are no pictures and no reminders. Because they don't add up to the official version of that story. It's safer only to mention it, without getting into detail.

P.S. And 09/11 is not related to Saddam


37 posted on 01/10/2006 3:41:15 AM PST by A Russian
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