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When did all the dissenters vanish?
http://www.amarillo.com/stories/053004/opi_kanelis.shtml ^ | 5/30/04 | JOHN KANELIS

Posted on 05/30/2004 10:20:01 AM PDT by Maria S

For the life of me I cannot remember when it happened.

I cannot recall when the United States of America ceased being a land of dissenters; of arguers, of contrary thinking; of people blessed with the right, in the words of the very First Amendment to their Constitution, "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

When did protest become unpatriotic? When did the Founding Fathers' vision of a land that honored and embraced contentiousness disappear?

It must have vanished without millions of Americans ever noticing. How else does one explain the view of so many Americans that to question our policy in Iraq is unpatriotic? How else does one justify the stated opinions that protesting government policy gives "aid and comfort" to our enemies?

Such opinions are stated regularly in letters to this newspaper, by senior government officials, by political supporters of President Bush and by many millions of others, who, for reasons that escape me, hold this notion that wartime somehow requires us to keep our political feelings to ourselves.

The great Republican U.S. senator from California, Arthur Vandenberg, once said, "Politics stops at the water's edge." He made that quip to discourage partisan sniping during wartime.

But that doesn't mean Americans should cease questioning government policy, or even challenging a wartime president as many Americans are doing today. Most Americans know their boundaries. Sitting in an anti-aircraft gun, joking with enemy gunners who had killed American pilots - as Jane Fonda did in 1972 during the Vietnam War - crosses that line.

That act still sticks in the craw of many Vietnam veterans, including mine. Protesting government policy through civil disobedience, which millions of Americans did during that time, remains an appropriate form of political expression.

But it seems today that such expressions of disagreement hit a nerve at every turn. To speak out against some aspects of the war against terror, in the minds of many, constitutes an unpatriotic act.

Protesters hate our country, many people contend.

Here's my favorite: Those protesters hate what this country stands for.

So, what does this country stand for?

It stands for liberty. It stands for freedom, but certainly within the bounds of good taste and community standards. The country stands for people's right to speak their minds freely.

At least it used to stand for all that.

Something must have happened to change many Americans' minds about freedom of political expression.

Maybe it was the goons who introduced the United States to their monstrous brand of terrorism on Sept. 11, 2001. They hit us on our own turf, not in some nightclub or military barracks far away. That could bring about a fundamental change in many Americans' outlook about freedom.

Are we now free to express ourselves only if we support our president and his policies?

The Founders didn't put any provisions into the Constitution that suspended our rights to protest when the shooting starts and Americans start dying in combat. By omitting those restrictions, the Founders said quite the opposite. They said protest is a fundamental American right, which I would hasten to add is a totally foreign concept to our enemies.

Another great Republican, President Theodore Roosevelt, said this: "Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official, save exactly to the degree in which he himself stands by the country. ...(I)t is unpatriotic not to tell the truth, whether about the president or anyone else."

Old Roughrider knew a few things about combat, which he fought in the political arena and on the battlefield. The Founders had it correct when they set aside our rights to seek "redress of grievances." If a policy is strong, it will stand up to any protest. If it is weak, it will change according to the people's will.

Our current crop of leaders, though, needs to stop the overheated responses to those who question them and their policies. Don't they give aid and comfort to those who seek to undermine our very way of life? Last time I checked, that way of life included a healthy dose of dissent.

Unless, of course, that all changed when I wasn't paying attention.

John Kanelis is editorial page editor for the Amarillo Globe-News. He can be contacted at the Globe News, P.O. Box 2091, Amarillo, TX 79166, or via e-mail at john.kanelis@amarillo.com. His column appears each Sunday.


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1 posted on 05/30/2004 10:20:02 AM PDT by Maria S
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To: Maria S

If you think the dissenters have gone away over the last three years, you're too inattentive to be hired as a cub reporter, much less as editorial page editor.


2 posted on 05/30/2004 10:22:22 AM PDT by RichInOC (The Los Angeles Times...not even pretending to be non-partisan anymore.)
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To: RichInOC; Maria S
Are we now free to express ourselves only if we support our president and his policies?

What an ass. All we hear is criticism of administration policies, or does this "journalist" not read what Gore, Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Clinton, et al. are saying?

3 posted on 05/30/2004 10:28:58 AM PDT by mountaineer
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To: Maria S
masturbatory straw-man

I hope writing this article made the author feel good.

4 posted on 05/30/2004 10:30:38 AM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Maria S

I think all the "dissenters" vanished when the media began portraying extremist kooks like PETA, Ed Asner, Oprah and Michael Moore as "mainstream".


5 posted on 05/30/2004 10:30:39 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Maria S
There's dissent. Then there's treason.

Don't confuse the two. The problem occurs when treasonous speech is said to just be "dissent."


6 posted on 05/30/2004 10:31:57 AM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: Maria S
I hear this crap all the time, and the stupidity boggles my mind. What an unsophisticated thinker!

Freedom: When lots of people criticize the government.
The death of Dissent: When lots of people criticize the criticizers.

Perhaps true freedom is when everyone can say whatever they want, without being arrested for it. Maybe THAT'S what the First Amendment is all about. This bozo seems to think that the First Amendment means his opinion is sacred and no one has the right to disagree with him. What an elitist!

7 posted on 05/30/2004 10:35:07 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (You can see it coming like a train on a track.)
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To: Maria S

8 posted on 05/30/2004 10:37:50 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Maria S
Protesting government policy through civil disobedience, which millions of Americans did during that time, remains an appropriate form of political expression SEDITION.
9 posted on 05/30/2004 10:38:08 AM PDT by Freebird Forever
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To: Maria S

So, nobody has any right to dissent with the dissenters? Not only are they allowed to dissent, but, apparently, we must agree with what they say.


10 posted on 05/30/2004 10:40:14 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Maria S
Liberals, like the nazis, feel they should be able to express themselves free of criticism. These people are so brain dead they don't see the irony elephant in their own comments.

I am free to criticize anyone I want, but you are not free to criticize me.

Let me see if we can make this clear to them...

Criticizing you, even calling you unpatriotic, IS free speech (dumbsh_t)!

11 posted on 05/30/2004 10:41:27 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: Maria S
When did protest become unpatriotic?

When it gives aid an comfort to the enemy.

The chief North Vietnamese general recently thanked those who protested the war for helping him to win.

12 posted on 05/30/2004 10:42:33 AM PDT by tbpiper (In memory of Spc. Ray J. Hutchinson, A Co., 2-502 Inf, 101st Airborne, Mosul Iraq, Dec. 7, 2003)
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To: Maria S
It stands for freedom, but certainly within the bounds of good taste and community standards.

The author advocates "Freedom Lite", the new, wholesome, Atkins-Friendly version. All the good taste and none of the casualties.

13 posted on 05/30/2004 10:43:39 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: Maria S

The last time America ceased to be a land of dissenters was WWII when the country went out and remade the world.

When they got back the greatest generation gave birth to the baby boom generation, a bunch of ignorant self obsessed, whiney snots that has politisized a war of self defense in which the very future of this country and its future generation hinges.

The baby boomers will not be satisfied until they have ripped away the amazing victory of their children in Iraq and turn it into the same abject failure they created out of vietnam.


14 posted on 05/30/2004 10:44:57 AM PDT by pcx99
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To: RichInOC
It's unbelieveable, isn't it? The guy who write this...

John Kanelis is editorial page editor for the Amarillo Globe-News.

Nazi brownshirts infest the media.

15 posted on 05/30/2004 10:45:31 AM PDT by Bob J (freerepublic.net/ radiofreerepublic.com/rightalk.com...check them out!)
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To: RichInOC

The reporter is dismayed that dissenters are not being heralded. Therefore, the problem must be the small number of dissenters not the flawed message of dissenters. Never mind that the latter perpetuates the former.


16 posted on 05/30/2004 10:45:32 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Maria S
When did protest become unpatriotic?

On September 11, 2001 at 8:47 AM.

17 posted on 05/30/2004 10:46:07 AM PDT by Jim Noble (Now you go feed those hogs before they worry themselves into anemia!)
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To: Maria S
I cannot recall when the United States of America ceased being a land of dissenters; of arguers, of contrary thinking; of people blessed with the right, in the words of the very First Amendment to their Constitution, "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Gee. Maybe the same time you Liberals said there was no longer any Second Amendment. You know, how "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"?

18 posted on 05/30/2004 10:46:32 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Maria S
This article raises the question "How many bong hits are too many, before you start writing an editorial?"
19 posted on 05/30/2004 10:47:18 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Landru; Mudboy Slim

Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
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You know, - Well you know you had it comin' to you,
Now there's not a lot I can do

Dreamer, you stupid little dreamer;
So now you put your head in your hands, oh no!
I said "Far out, - What a day, a year, a laugh it is!"
You know, - Well you know you had it comin' to you,
Now there's not a lot I can do.

Well work it out someday

If I could see something
You can see anything you want boy
If I could be someone-
You can be anyone, celebrate boy.
If I could do something-
Well you can do something,
If I could do anything-
Well can you do something out of this world?

Take a dream on a Sunday
Take a life, take a holiday
Take a lie, take a dreamer
dream, dream, dream, dream, dream along...

Dreamer, you know you are a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
I said dreamer, you're nothing but a dreamer
Well can you put your hands in your head, oh no!
OH NO!


20 posted on 05/30/2004 10:49:22 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: Maria S

....I'm John Kerry and I approve of this message. *Pardon me while I go wash my eyes out with bleach.*


21 posted on 05/30/2004 10:50:32 AM PDT by Normal4me
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To: Maria S

MORON ALERT!!!! moreover dissent SHOULD have stopped when we went to war...what a loon


22 posted on 05/30/2004 10:50:32 AM PDT by jnarcus
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To: Maria S
When did protest become unpatriotic?

When it morphed from dissent into support of our enemies.

24 posted on 05/30/2004 10:52:18 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Maria S

Gee. During WWII, we were pretty rough on "dissenters" not the least of which was Charles A. Lindberg. Lindberg didn't do any prison time but had to resign his commision. He rehabilitated himself in the PTO, teaching pilots how to extend the range of P38s and he actually scoring some kills.

Other "dissenters" did do jail times, sometimes without benefit of a trial. Worst of the lot was "The Chief," Dudley Pelley, head of the fascist Silver Shirt movement.


25 posted on 05/30/2004 10:53:34 AM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: RichInOC
I just emailed the author the following response:

Dear Mr. Kanelis,

Your article today was interesting. I believe you "hit the nail on the head" with the following statement:

Maybe it was the goons who introduced the United States to their monstrous brand of terrorism on Sept. 11, 2001. They hit us on our own turf, not in some nightclub or military barracks far away. That could bring about a fundamental change in many Americans' outlook about freedom."

It is my opinion that most average Americans realized at that moment on September 11, 2001 that our country is at war. Most Americans realize that "they" want all of us either dead or living in their 15th-century style of government.

I believe most Americans recognize the threat to the continued existence of the United States of America posed by the 9/ll terrorists, Al Qaeda, and their associates. Without our country's existence, the "right of assembly," "freedom of speech," the right "to petition the Government for a redress of grievances," and all of the other freedoms guaranteed by the US Constitution would merely be words on a piece of paper.

I just wonder why it is that most journalists and many politicians don't seem to get it!

Signed___

[I wonder if I will receive a response from the author?]

26 posted on 05/30/2004 10:54:46 AM PDT by Prov3456
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To: Maria S
How else does one explain the view of so many Americans that to question our policy in Iraq is unpatriotic?

These idiots are getting to "question" (read: rant about) our policy in Iraq. They just don't like that their points are being countered and their views are not winning the debate.

27 posted on 05/30/2004 10:58:22 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Maria S
When did protest become unpatriotic? When did the Founding Fathers' vision of a land that honored and embraced contentiousness disappear?

That must have happened when Tokyo Rose and Axis Sally were sentenced to long prison terms. After all they were just expressing dissent and patriotic contentiousness.

28 posted on 05/30/2004 11:00:29 AM PDT by Alouette (Dear Dad & Uncle Ira & all USA vets--Thank you for my Freedom.)
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To: Bob J

Amarillo is about 1.5 hours north of where I live. The paper is owned by a very rich fella who has more money than brains; he is a well-known lefty and uses the paper as his personal rant board (via surrogates therein).


29 posted on 05/30/2004 11:04:49 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Communism failed because people like to own stuff.)
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To: Maria S
There is a difference between dissent and crossing the line to something worse. The difference starts with a realistic appraisal of whether your proposed policies and actions are designed to benefit America as a whole. If you primary consideration is benefiting your faction even when the Country as a whole is hurt then you are not a patriot. Many Democrats consider winning an election to be of more importance than any other consideration. Al Gore even after losing an election wouldn't give up his grab for power and so he asked the Democrat Stacked courts of Florida to overrule the current election law and write new laws to benefit Al Gore in the recount. Al Gore made the stupidest decision any American Politician has made by attempting a coup that couldn't succeed. Democrats to this day are in a state of denial and instead of blaming Al Gore for the incompetence of the Al Gore campaign and the attempted coup blame President George W. Bush and the Supreme Court.

Democrats who criticize the war with the intent of harming George Bush instead helping the Country are not patriotic.

30 posted on 05/30/2004 11:06:34 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
This article raises the question "How many bong hits are too many, before you start writing an editorial?"

You're not ready to write an editorial until you've lost count...

31 posted on 05/30/2004 11:10:17 AM PDT by null and void (The owls are not what they seem...)
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To: TonyRo76

Excellent! I'm saving that one cause it just says it.


32 posted on 05/30/2004 11:14:25 AM PDT by avenir (Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous / Look at them, who can blame us / Lessons in the subject of decay)
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To: cyncooper
This opinionator ask: "when did protests become unpatriotic?"

I told him.

Protests become unpatriotic the moment they aid and abet our enemies.

33 posted on 05/30/2004 11:18:07 AM PDT by YaYa123 (@Whine And Spin, Whine And Spin.com)
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To: YaYa123

You are spot on.

(and pithy!)

:)


34 posted on 05/30/2004 11:19:51 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Maria S

What would you call all the television talking heads? Or Algore? Or the NYTimes and Washington Post? Or the NAACP? Or Hollywood? The list of active dissenters is endless.


35 posted on 05/30/2004 11:20:57 AM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: Maria S; Eagle9; freedox; chesty_puller; GRRRRR; MouthOfTheSouth; Memother; joan_30; dixie sass; ...
When did protest become unpatriotic? When did the Founding Fathers' vision of a land that honored and embraced contentiousness disappear?

Protesters hate our country, many people contend.

Here's my favorite: Those protesters hate what this country stands for.

So, what does this country stand for?

It stands for liberty. It stands for freedom, but certainly within the bounds of good taste and community standards. The country stands for people's right to speak their minds freely.

At least it used to stand for all that.

Something must have happened to change many Americans' minds about freedom of political expression.

WHEN YOUR COUNTRY IS INFILTRATED WITH ILEAGLE ALIENS ,COMMUNIST SYMPOTHEISERS, SOCIALISTS ,AND THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO BE HYPHENATED AMERICANS.

WHEN THE MEDIA IN THIS COUNTRY IS EITHER BLIND OR STUPID TO THE FACT THEY ARE HELPING OUR ENEMYS EVERYTIME THEY DISPLAY THEIR DISCONTENT FOR ISSUES CRITICLE TO OUR WAY OF LIFE OR JUST SPIN HALF BAKED FACTS TO FILL THEIR PUPPET MASTERS AGENDA .

WHEN SCHOOLS BY THE DIRECTION OF OUR OWN GOVERNMENT AND THE ACLU A SUPPOSED DEFENDER OF FREEDOM AND EQUAL RIGHTS IN OUR COUNTRY TELL THE MASSES ITS OK TO WORSHIP ANY GOD OR IDOL EXCEPT A CHRISTIAN ONE.

WHEN WE HAVE EX PRESIDENTS WHO FOUGHT HARD TO BRING A LIBERAL/SOCIALIST WAY TO AMERICANS AND THE MASSES STOOD BY AND LET IT HAPPEN BECAUSE FREEDOM WAS TAKEN FOR GRANTED INSTEAD OF BEING CLOSELY GUARDED AND THE MEDIA HID IT FROM SIGHT LIKE A WOUND FESTERING UNDER THE SURFACE OF OUR SKIN.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN

WE MUST BRING THIS NATION BACK TO GOD BACK TO A TIME WHEN DISENTION WAS SOMETHING TO BE FOUGHT FOR PROUDLY AND WITH DIGNITY.

STANDING UP AND WISHING YOUR PRESIDENT HAD A HIT ON HIM IS NOT DISENTION ITS TREASON PELOSI,KENNEDY,GORE,SOROS,DEAN,KERRY,DASCHLE ARE ALL GUILTY OF THIS CRIME AT A TIME OF WAR WHEN OUR VERY EXISTANCE IS AT STAKE MOVEON.ORG,AND A.N.S.W.E.R. ARE NOT VOICES OF DISENTION THEY ARE VOICES OF COMMUNISM SOMETHING AMERICANS HAVE FOUGHT FOR GENERATIONS BOTH HERE AND ABROAD

LIBERALS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE COMMUNISTS ITS TIME TO WAKE UP TO THAT FACT AND START CALLING THEM WHAT THEY ARE INSTEAD OF PEDDLING AROUND IT.

POLITICLE CORRECTNESS IS GOING TO KILL US AND OUR WAY OF LIFE ITS LIKE A DEMADAPHITE [FOOT FUNGUS] THE LONGER ITS THERE THE MORE DAMAGE IT DOES AND THE LONGER IT TAKES TO GET RID OF. DISENTION IS GOOD FOR MANY REASONS BUT WHEN ITS TO START AN AGENDA TO CHANGE THE BASIC PRINCIPLES AND FOUNDATIONS OF OUR WAY OF LIFE AS AMERICANS ITS TREASONONOUS ANT THE LEAST.

PETA,ELF,ACLU,NAACP,NAAWP AND OTHER SUCH ORGANIZATIONS COULD DO GREAT GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY IF THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN INSTEAD OF TREATING IT AS THEIR SOUNDING BOARD FOR THE SPECIAL INTEREST THAT INFLUANCES OUR GOVERNMENT.BURNING CAR DEALERSHIPS AND HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS IS NOT DESENTION ITS TREASON.HATE CRIMES LEGISLATION IS AN ABOMINATION TO THE FREEDOMS OF ALL AMERICANS OF ANY COLOR AND RACIAL PROFILING WILL KEEP STREETS SAFER FOR EVERYONE WHO IS A LAW ABIDING CITIZEN OF THEIS GREAT COUNTRY OF OURS

OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS SHOULD TELL SPECIAL INTERESTS TO PUSH OFF EVERYTIME THEY TRY AND INFLUENCE OR BUY A VOTE IS THIS TO SAY EVERYONE IN GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT ? NO BUT THE SPECIAL INTERESTS IN MY OPINION SHOULD BE WORKING FOR CHANGE IN THEIR OWN ORGANIZATIONS INSTEAD OF COHERSING GOVERNMENT TO FORCE ILL FATED LAWS AND RESTRICTIONS ON THE MASSES !

Rant over flame away !

36 posted on 05/30/2004 11:21:19 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (Let your opponent point to you the way to overcome him.)
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To: Maria S

bump


37 posted on 05/30/2004 11:24:17 AM PDT by lowbridge ("You are an American. You are my brother. I would die for you." -Kurdish Sergeant)
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To: Maria S

Let's ask another question - When does 'party' become 'faction'?


38 posted on 05/30/2004 11:28:03 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Libertarianize the GOP

Good stuff.


39 posted on 05/30/2004 11:29:15 AM PDT by avenir (Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous / Look at them, who can blame us / Lessons in the subject of decay)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

"Rant over flame away!"

No flames, just applause. You may be preaching to the choir but the choir loves it.


40 posted on 05/30/2004 11:34:33 AM PDT by avenir (Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous / Look at them, who can blame us / Lessons in the subject of decay)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

SpellCheck? :-)


41 posted on 05/30/2004 11:35:26 AM PDT by Morgan's Raider
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To: avenir

I had recently heard one to many Democrats regurgitate the Bush was selected not elected.


42 posted on 05/30/2004 11:36:08 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker

Yep. It reminds of a converstaion I heard yesterday at Barnes and Noble. One lady was complaining to her twentysomething kids that "all the books in the international affairs section were conservative." I saw the section: three or four conservative books in a sea of twenty-odd lefty tomes.


43 posted on 05/30/2004 11:40:10 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Communism failed because people like to own stuff.)
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To: Maria S
Fascinating article. What he is really saying is dissenters have the right to dissent without anyone replying to their nonsense.
44 posted on 05/30/2004 11:45:19 AM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: Maria S; All
Only idiots would vote for a traitor.

My favorite post for DUmmies and trolls.

"I’m an internationalist. I’d like to see our troops dispersed through [sic] the world
only at the directive of the United Nations."
Hanoi John Kerry, The Harvard Crimson, 1970


HANOI KERRY
has a Campaign Platform
Just like the old days!


"It is a fact that in the entire Vietnam War we did not lose one major battle.
We lost the war at home and at home John Kerry was the field general"

- Bob Elder, Swift Boat Veteran For Truth


"I do not believe John Kerry is fit to be commander in chief of the U.S. armed forces,"
said retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffmann, chairman of the organization.
"This is not a political issue. It is a matter of honesty."


I was there the same time Hanoi Kerry was.
I served on the destroyer USS Corry DD-817 which supplied PCF's and PBR's
and gave gunfire support in North AND South Viet Nam.
My ship may have even supplied Hanoi Kerry's boat.
I VOW I will do everything I LEGALLY can
to keep this traitor from being elected.
68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub



The book that Kerry
wishes would just go away.
HanoiJohnKerry.com is a blog with a primary purpose. That purpose is to counter the preposterous claims of Sen. John Forbes Kerry (D-MA) that he has any legitimate claim to any sort of "brotherhood" among combat veterans of the War in Vietnam.

While it is generally supposed that his service as a Naval officer on a "Swift Boat" in that theater was adequate and honorable, there is much to question regarding his readiness to allow the accolade "war hero" to be applied to him.

Likewise, it is not at all uncommon for more senior Naval officers to raise an eyebrow at the swiftness and relative comfort by which Lt. JG Kerry attained those medals, and who is available to vouch for the efficacy of his being awarded them (since, as boat commander, it would be his own task to make recommendation for awards for all personnel, including himself, on the Swift Boat).

But most egregious was his conduct, words and associations upon his early-out (from SEA) return to the USA and discharge from the US Navy. His leadership role with the radical pro-Communist (inaccurate to deem this group "anti-war") group called "Vietnam Veterans Against the [Vietnam] War" (hereafter VVAW).

It was while climbing the social and political ladder of the pro-Soviet Left as a principle of VVAW that John Kerry found his political soul-mate in Hanoi Jane Fonda. Granted, these politically formative years for Kerry were prior to the more outlandish acts of Fonda that earned her that name, but it is easily documentable that Fonda did not under go any radical transformation in belief or character from the time she and Kerry were working the same side of the street to the time she traveled to Hanoi, NVN and entered US history as the most overt traitor to ever NOT be charged, tried and executed.

John Kerry went to his own overt extremes to demonstrate that, politically, socially and in lowness of character, there wasn't a nickel's worth of difference between he and Fonda. Thus, in the spirit of fairness and accuracy, we are reasonably certain that he will be agreeably flattered by calling him Hanoi John Kerry.

Here, testifying before the Fulbright Senate Foreign Relations Committee, is where John Kerry, spokesman for Vietnam Veterans Against the War, cemented his position and moniker as "Hanoi John" Kerry. This was the occasion where US troops still in the field in Vietnam learned from one of their FORMER brothers-in-arms that they were heinous murderers and war criminals. HJK would now like to call on them for support in his bid to be the new Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. Perhaps the most preposterous hypocrisy of all.


45 posted on 05/30/2004 11:46:31 AM PDT by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Hanoi Jane and Hanoi Kerry sitting in a tree)
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK
I stopped reading after your Caps Lock got stuck.

Someone call the computer technician for Mr. Punk!

46 posted on 05/30/2004 11:46:59 AM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: TonyRo76
"They didn't editorialize as Soviet apologists"

Dude, ever hear of the New York Times?

47 posted on 05/30/2004 11:47:31 AM PDT by FreedomSurge
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To: rdb3
There's dissent. Then there's treason.
Don't confuse the two. The problem occurs when treasonous speech is said to just be "dissent

Thank you for posting a short (but great) comment. I was trying to pull a long, meandering statement together to express the sentiments that you expressed in a few words. Thanks again.

48 posted on 05/30/2004 11:49:41 AM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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To: FreedomSurge

They are all mad because they cannot yell "baby killer" anymore, and get away with it.


49 posted on 05/30/2004 11:50:16 AM PDT by Paul Atreides
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To: Mrs Zip; BOBWADE

ping


50 posted on 05/30/2004 11:50:45 AM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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