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Halls of Ancient Alexandria's Ivy Found
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | Published: May 27, 2004

Posted on 05/31/2004 6:32:29 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246

CAIRO, May 26 - Polish archaeologists have unearthed 13 lecture halls believed to be the first traces ever found of ancient Egypt's University of Alexandria, the head of the project said Wednesday.

"This is the oldest university ever found in the world," said Grzegorz Majderek, head of the Polish mission.

The lecture halls, with a capacity of 5,000 students, were part of the fifth-century university, which functioned until the seventh century, according to a statement from Egypt's Supreme Council of Antiquities.

"This is the first material evidence of the existence of academic life in Alexandria," Mr. Majderek said. Knowledge of earlier intellectual pursuits there came through historical and literary documents.

Ancient Alexandria was home to a library, which was founded about 295 B.C. and burned to the ground in the fourth century. Ruins were never found. The auditoriums were found near the portico of the Roman Theater in the eastern part of the city. All the lecture halls are of identical dimensions. Each contains rows of stepped benches in a semicircle and an elevated seat apparently for the lecturer, the antiquities council said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alexandria; ancient; archaeologists; archaeology; economic; egypt; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; poland; polish
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To: Grzegorz 246

well, so much for TRoP claims to have been the first culture to establish universities.
The PC crowd must be sooooo depressed.


21 posted on 05/31/2004 9:46:58 AM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: TomServo; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; A.J.Armitage; abner; adam_az; AdmSmith; Alas Babylon!; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.
22 posted on 05/31/2004 9:47:50 AM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: bert
"Your own Western thought sprang from Arab scholorship discovered during the Crusades."

What "Arab" scholarship would that be? Plato and the Eliatics were merely rediscovered; Arab philosophic "scholarship" is still defined by a single person - Alfarabi.

23 posted on 05/31/2004 10:20:49 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: narses; Aquinasfan
"A memo in ancient Greek and Coptic from UA's Faculty Sub-Committee on Multicultural Student Awareness were among the finds...'We need to get rid of codices by all of these dead white western males like Homer, Aristotle, Hippocrates, Theophrastus, and Andronicus of Rhodes...Hypatia would like a Women's Studies program next fall...And a group of students calling themselves the Fellowship for a New Age would like weekend seminars on channelling Isis, Osiris, and antediluvian Atlantean Masters of Wisdom...' "
24 posted on 05/31/2004 11:58:55 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: Reactionary

Boethius, Augustine, Cassiodorus, and Alcuin were Arabs??? Which "crusades" were in Toledo and Monte Cassino??? Amazing the things they are doing with Aristotle, Cicero, and Plato in Saudi Arabia these days...


25 posted on 05/31/2004 12:05:19 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: bert; Reactionary; Aquinasfan; narses
"Your own Western thought sprang from Arab scholorship discovered during the Crusades."

Where is this "discovered" Western thought generally found today??? Lot of Aristotelians in downtown Cairo and Mecca???

26 posted on 05/31/2004 12:11:38 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: bert

Nope, not even close.


27 posted on 05/31/2004 12:23:31 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: null and void

Lol, you're asking for a source to verify Alexandria was Greek?


28 posted on 05/31/2004 12:23:38 PM PDT by Justa (Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
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To: King Prout

TRoP????


29 posted on 05/31/2004 12:24:50 PM PDT by jpsb (Nominated 1994 "Worst writer on the net")
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To: Justa

Nope. Asking bert to site a source for his claim that all western thought came from møøselimbs.

It seems to have been refuted by some other posters...


30 posted on 05/31/2004 2:13:37 PM PDT by null and void (If you think more government is the solution to every problem, North Korea should be your paradise!)
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To: Agnes Heep

As far as I can tell, we have yet to come up with a better system for real communication than face-to-face dialogue. While a lecturer can't engage in one-on-one dialogues, they offer something that no book, movie or internet site ever will be able to.


31 posted on 05/31/2004 2:25:56 PM PDT by smcmike
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To: Reactionary

Ibn Khaldun's Muqaddimah is generally thought of as a hell of a good history. Arab scholarship, during years before the crusades, WAS far beyond anything in western europe. The fact that it was based upon Greek thought doesn't mean much: at least they were civilized enough to preserve greek learning!


32 posted on 05/31/2004 2:30:51 PM PDT by smcmike
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To: Grzegorz 246
Honestly I'm a little disappointed that there isn't any "Polish joke".
33 posted on 05/31/2004 2:52:08 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: bert

I believe the mohamedan invaiders burned the library to the ground.


34 posted on 06/01/2004 5:28:07 AM PDT by correctthought (Shop smart, shop S-mart.)
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To: struwwelpeter
Egyptians were rather clever before they got the moslem disease.

I note the university functioned from the 5th to the 7th centuries. The end seems to coincide with the Arabs kicking out the Byzantines in the late 600s.

35 posted on 06/01/2004 5:38:15 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
Lot of Aristotelians in downtown Cairo and Mecca???

Well, yes. The Arabs preserved the Greek literature that would have been lost when the Roman Empire declined. Europe was dark. The crusades brought the knowledge of the knowledge to Europe. There was a reformation and a Renaissance.
36 posted on 06/01/2004 11:40:00 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic !)
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To: bert; narses; Aquinasfan; NYer; Polycarp IV
Um...The "Reformation" tended to look negatively on Aristotle....You may recall Luther's Disputation AGAINST Scholastic Theology..."Knowledge" of the Logical Treatises came through Boethius, a non-Arab. Just for the record. The "Renaissance" tended towards Platonism and the rhetorical eloquence of copying Cicero, painting and sculpture It had very little to do with Aristotle or the Crusades. Or Islam... The Renaissance occurred in Italy, largely a "Catholic" affair. Protestantism facilitated the growth of fideism and a decline in the study of Aristotle - which continues to this day. The general trend in modern American universities is to reject essentialism and there is not exactly a "renaissance" of Aristotelian teleological ethics going on outside of a few specialized Catholic centers for the study of philosophy.

Most of the same people who brag about a Muslim/Arab role in preserving Aristotelian scholarship reject it emphatically as part of the "Dark Ages" - a metaphorical terminology popularized by Petrarch to describe lack of knowledge of Ciceronian rhetorical Latin - something which has nothing to do with Muslims. IF lack of knowledge of Aristotle is "dark" that makes the modern American era one of the darkest in Western intellectual history.

William of Moerbeke, call your office...

37 posted on 06/01/2004 1:03:20 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
"Amazing the things they are doing with Aristotle, Cicero, and Plato in Saudi Arabia these days..."

Indeed. Saudi Arabia is about as interested in classical scholarship as the tenured Leftist dolts on American campuses, eh?

38 posted on 06/01/2004 1:23:49 PM PDT by Reactionary
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To: struwwelpeter
Aw, that's a Copt-out ;-)

Now where did I leave my baseball bat...

39 posted on 06/01/2004 1:30:32 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Reactionary; narses; Aquinasfan
about as interested in classical scholarship as the tenured Leftist dolts on American campuses, eh?

I was always amused to hear liberal academics boasting of the rediscovery of "Greek learning" after the long "Dark Ages." And loved to ask them where on campus we could find that wonderful, brilliant, modern, enlightened, "Renaissance" of classical Greek scholarship, intertextual exegesis, and Aristotelian philosophy. A bizarre, awkward expression and silence usually followed, since the liberal in question usually knew no Greek and little Aristotle.

Helps to keep the liberal ideology of progress and modern "Renaissance" romanticism in perspective.

40 posted on 06/01/2004 2:23:12 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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