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Strong Factory Growth Boosts Hiring (to highest level in 31 years)
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 06/01/2004 | Eric Burroughs

Posted on 06/01/2004 8:51:58 AM PDT by zencat

U.S. manufacturing chugged to a full year of expansion in May, pushing factory hiring to its highest in 31 years, a survey released on Tuesday showed.


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Just don't tell Wille Green.
1 posted on 06/01/2004 8:52:02 AM PDT by zencat
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To: zencat

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


2 posted on 06/01/2004 8:53:37 AM PDT by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: zencat

Tom Daschle is deeply saddened.


3 posted on 06/01/2004 8:54:32 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: zencat

You beat me! Ditto.


4 posted on 06/01/2004 8:55:26 AM PDT by ChiMark
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To: zencat

Bookmarking this one. Think the people that all claim our manufacturing sector is all but gone will even care?


5 posted on 06/01/2004 8:57:13 AM PDT by discostu (Brick urgently required, must be thick and well kept)
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To: mewzilla; Poohbah; BOBTHENAILER; PhiKapMom; Howlin; section9

Guess which direction this pushes unemployment?

DOWN.

Economy doing okay - good news out of Iraq... looks like the start of a good week.


6 posted on 06/01/2004 8:57:28 AM PDT by hchutch ("Go ahead. Leave early and beat the traffic. The Milwaukee Brewers dare you." - MLB.com 5/11/04)
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To: mewzilla

7 posted on 06/01/2004 9:00:17 AM PDT by oblomov (recovering libertarian for Bush)
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To: mewzilla
Strong Factory Growth Boosts Hiring (to highest level in 31 years)

DembocRATs on suicide watch

8 posted on 06/01/2004 9:09:58 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It is not Bush's fault... it is the media's fault!)
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To: discostu
Bookmarking this one. Think the people that all claim our manufacturing sector is all but gone will even care?

Great idea. Particularly for all those that were so certain that never again would even one manufacturing job be created in the US.
9 posted on 06/01/2004 9:14:10 AM PDT by zencat (Visit my profile for MAGNETIC Bush/Cheney '04 bumper stickers!)
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To: zencat
Well, this is certainly depressing news...

for the Kerry camp.

10 posted on 06/01/2004 9:15:12 AM PDT by Coop (Freedom isn't free)
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To: zencat; Willie Green
Just don't tell Wille Green.

Okay.

11 posted on 06/01/2004 9:17:24 AM PDT by sionnsar (http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/ ||| sionnsar: the part of the bagpipe where the melody comes out)
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To: zencat
Great news, but it only helps us if EVERY GOP talking head goes out and promotes it over and over. The MSM will never do it for us.

Our message recently has been splintered. If we coordinate it better, W can open up another lead over JFnK.

12 posted on 06/01/2004 9:21:57 AM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: zencat; Willie Green

Dont tell me, either, in Ct the want ads are the smallest they have been in years

Mechanical Engineering jobs are the smallest they have been in years

wages for the factory jobs that do exist are at 1983 levels, and I am not exaggerating!

Asking someone to work for $8.00 is a high wage now!

Some dare to go as high as $13!!

I made more than that 15 years ago.

Yet, gas is higher than 15 years ago, so is rent, so are motor vehicle fees, so are taxes, so is food, so is milk, so is the phone bill, so is the electric bill...

In other words, the cost of living has doubled or tripled since 1983 (20 years ago) but wages for jobs have been cut inhalf or down to 1/3 for the same work or even more technical work!


13 posted on 06/01/2004 9:25:51 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: zencat
John Kerry is deeply troubled.


14 posted on 06/01/2004 9:30:54 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (President Bush has a September 12 mindset. John Kerry only has a November 2 obsession.)
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To: CzarNicky

Oh, no!!! More pain for the kerrorists!!


15 posted on 06/01/2004 9:37:44 AM PDT by Tacis (,)
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To: RaceBannon

As proponents of foreign outsourcing, The Institute for Supply Management is notorious for placing fallacious spin on it's bogus statistics. Government policies remain structurally hostile to the manufacturing sector, and there is no reason to suspect any long term reversal of the outsourcing trend. Until more detail statistics are made available, one would have to conclude that this is either a temporary seasonal blip, or that "hiring" has increased due to retirement of stable, senior employees and job churn occurring among inexperienced newhires. An increase in hiring doesn't necessarily indicate an increase of actual jobs available.


16 posted on 06/01/2004 9:38:45 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: RaceBannon
I made more than that 15 years ago.

Yet, gas is higher than 15 years ago, so is rent, so are motor vehicle fees, so are taxes, so is food, so is milk, so is the phone bill, so is the electric bill...

And if someone who was doing those jobs 15 years ago hasn't increased their marketable skill set in the past 15 years, then they have locked themselves into their situation, not the economy, and certainly not President Bush.

17 posted on 06/01/2004 9:39:14 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: RaceBannon

I'm not sure what the wages are, but here are the engineering jobs from Monster, over the last month. Some are obviously low-skill, low-pay. Many aren't. None of these would pay more than $13/hour?


May 28 Optics / Electro-Optics / Infrared Systems
Management Recruiters Intntl US-CT-Connecticut

May 28 Mechanical Engineer
PerkinElmer, Inc. US-CT-Shelton

May 27 Engineering Associate/Consultant
Navigant Consulting, Inc. US-CT-Fairfield

May 27 Mechanical Engineer or P.E.
Company Confidential US-CT-Danbury/Bridgeport

May 27 MECHANICAL ENGINEER
Adecco Employment Services US-CT-Hartford

May 27 Mechanical Design Engineer (Gas Turbine Components)
Belcan TechServices US-CT-Windsor Locks

May 26 Manager, Worldwide Product Qualification
Otis Elevator Company US-CT-Farmington

May 26 Technicans - Electro/Mechanical/Optical
The Monroe Group US-CT-Danbury/Bridgeport

May 26 Technicans - Electro/Mechanical/Optical
The Monroe Group US-CT-Hartford

May 26 Technicans - Electro/Mechanical/Optical
The Monroe Group US-CT-New Haven

May 25 MECHANICAL ENGINEER
Adecco Employment Services US-CT-Danbury/Bridgeport

May 25 Project/Product Development Engineer (Gas Turbines)
Belcan TechServices US-CT-Windsor Locks

May 24 Mechanical Designer, 3D, Parametric CAD Design
TAC Worldwide Companies US-CT-Danbury

May 24 PQIS3515-19190 Sr. Reliability Engineer
UTC Research Center US-CT-East Hartford

May 23 Inside Sales Specialist
UTC - Power US-CT-Hartford

May 21 ENGINEERING OPENINGS!
Spherion US-CT-Bridgeport

May 21 Cost Reduction Project Manager (Gas Turbines)
Belcan TechServices US-CT-Windsor Locks

May 20 Manager Design Engineering Rotating Machinery
Kelly Services US-CT-Hartford

May 20 Mechanical Engineering Manager
Company Confidential US-CT-New Haven

May 20 Structures Engineer
Belcan TechServices US-CT-Windsor Locks

May 19 Senior Mechanical Engineer
Management Recruiters Intntl US-CT-Stamford

May 18 Systems Design Engineer
Belcan TechServices US-CT-Windsor Locks

May 18 Quality Assurance Test and Measurment Supervisor
CUNO US-CT-Enfield

May 16 Animal Care Technical Sales Engineer
Design Learned, Inc. US-CT-Southeast/New London

May 14 PACKAGING ENGINEER
Nesco Service Company US-CT-Hartford

May 14 Process Engineer (Manufacturing)
Von Roll – Isola USA, Inc. US-CT-New Haven

May 13 Engineering document checker
Manpower US-CT-Norwich

May 12 QA ENGINEER
Tyco Healthcare US-CT-New Haven

May 11 Design Engineer
Friedman Associates US-CT-New Haven Area
May 11 Mechanical Project Engineer

Belcan TechServices US-CT-Windsor Locks
May 11 SENIOR SYSTEMS ENGINEER

Goodrich Electro Optical Syste US-CT-Danbury
May 10 RF Engineering (4)
Hamilton Connections US-CT-Hamden/ New Haven

May 7 Technical Service Representative/Engineer
Dymax Corporation US-CT-Torrington

May 7 Technical Service Representative/Engineer
Dymax Corporation US-CT-Torrington

May 7 Senior Fellow for Systems Engineering
Pratt & Whitney US-CT-East Hartford

May 6 Technical Advisor (Software)
Pitney Bowes US-CT-Danbury

May 6 Mechanical Engineer
ASR Corp. US-CT-Milford

May 5 Mechanical Design Engineer-SD086
ENTEGEE Engineering Tech Grp. US-CT-Hartford

May 5 Piping Drafter with a Nuclear Background
TAC Worldwide Companies US-CT-Groton

May 4 Senior Mechanical Plumbing/Fire Protection Project Engineer

Management Recruiters Intntl US-CT-Danbury/Bridgeport
May 3 Mechanical Engineer

Manpower Professional US-CT-Norwalk


18 posted on 06/01/2004 9:39:56 AM PDT by Choose Ye This Day (President Bush has a September 12 mindset. John Kerry only has a November 2 obsession.)
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To: mewzilla
Tom Daschle is deeply saddened

So is Willie!

19 posted on 06/01/2004 9:45:28 AM PDT by Dave S
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Animal Care Technical Sales Engineer?

Here where I live, we have an opening for a sanitary engineer - you know, the guy who drives around and sucks out porta-potties?

20 posted on 06/01/2004 9:47:54 AM PDT by snopercod (I'm a mean motor scooter and a bad go getter.)
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To: zencat
This is good news for some, but I have to report that factory hiring is still the same here in Western North Carolina: Zero.

Every single factory in my county closed down last year. Ecusta (Union strike), Coats American (moved to Mexico), Dupont (used to make X-ray film).

Even expanding the search to surrounding counties, Schnidier [sp?] in Asheville closed down, and Bussman in Black Mountain closed down. There are still a few factories within a 100 mile radius, but NOT ONE is hiring.

21 posted on 06/01/2004 9:54:07 AM PDT by snopercod (I'm a mean motor scooter and a bad go getter.)
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To: RaceBannon
People are paid what the skill is worth. Yes it was more 20 years ago, or perhaps it was too much. If companies could not fill the positions at $8 an hour, then they would pay more or go out of business. A business is in business to make money period. They do not exist to over pay people so that they can do whatever. You have to keep upgrading your job skills if you want to paid more. No one said its an easy thing to do.
22 posted on 06/01/2004 9:54:40 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: zencat
U.S. manufacturing chugged to a full year of expansion in May, pushing factory hiring to its highest in 31 years, a survey released on Tuesday showed.

I thought the Cold War was over.

23 posted on 06/01/2004 9:59:10 AM PDT by Penner
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To: Sprite518

in 1984, WENDYS was paying $8.25 for burger flipping!

It is the same wage as today.

In fact, to start at Stop&Shop, it is $7.50 to work in the deli.

I am a degreed engineer, and the only job I was offered so far since the last layoff 3 weeks ago is the deli for 25 hours a week at $8.25

I might as well go bankrupt, but even still, I wont have enough money to pay rent!


24 posted on 06/01/2004 10:02:18 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Tacis; Grampa Dave; Southack; Dog Gone; Registered; BOBTHENAILER
"Oh, no!!! More pain for the kerrorists!!"

Oh man-o-man... I LIKE IT!!! KERRORISTS!!!

25 posted on 06/01/2004 10:07:34 AM PDT by SierraWasp (STOP PREMPTIVE JOURNALISM!!! A malevolent media can kill America's will, AGAIN!!!)
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To: RaceBannon
The median wage has remained relatively unchanged since 1983. Must just be a local phenomena in your area. Median wage, 1983-2002.
26 posted on 06/01/2004 10:07:45 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: RaceBannon

I am not sure if this is up your alley but have you looked into Oak Ridge, TN? If you look up some of the individual facilities they are hiring engineers in certain fields.

But I understand what you are saying.


27 posted on 06/01/2004 10:09:27 AM PDT by PersonalLiberties (...)
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To: RaceBannon

Woops, wrong chart. Just a second.


28 posted on 06/01/2004 10:09:42 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: zencat
The yearlong stretch of strong growth helped power the ISM's employment index to 61.9 in May -- the highest since April 1973 -- from 57.8 the prior month. But after shedding nearly 3 million jobs over more than three years, the factory sector has a long way to go to recover all the jobs lost.

29 posted on 06/01/2004 10:13:32 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: zencat

I blame all this on Bush!


30 posted on 06/01/2004 10:15:54 AM PDT by Larry381 (Al Gore-role model for mental patients.)
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To: RaceBannon

Here it is. Median wages have actually risen by about $4K/yr since 1983....using 2001 dollars.


31 posted on 06/01/2004 10:16:07 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: RaceBannon
Sorry again The Link
32 posted on 06/01/2004 10:17:00 AM PDT by NeonKnight
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To: oblomov

Not one word of this on CNN.com's main webpage.


33 posted on 06/01/2004 10:22:03 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Many of those are copies of the same job, the BELCAN/Navigant

Adecco wants a specific Engineer, I have aplied to almost all f these

the optical one through Monroe I am not qualified for, they want someone who has experience in optics

The PE ones in bridgeport are more Construction, I am machine design

Some are manufacturing engineering, and no one trains anymore

You are lookng at a snapshot, i read these off NetTemps
http://www.nettemps.com
http://www.net-temps.com/jobs/eng.htm

and Monster
http://www.monster.com

and Americas Job Bank
http://www.ajb.org/ct/

And Agentry
http://www.agentry.com/JobSearch.asp?RequestTimeout=500

Check this one, $11 an hour??
http://www.agentry.com/JobDetail.asp?Job_Number=11045

Careerbuilder.com
http://jobs.careerbuilder.com/al.ic/Connecticut/?sc_cmp1=JS_JFALL_Loc&lr=cbnh_ktcrm




all the time, I can do PRO/E, AUTOCAD/SoLIDWORKS/CADKEY but I only have an AS with 6 years experience with 15 years experience as a machine mechanic/test rig operator

Many of the BELCAN jobs, and Adecco/Arnold Hannifin are PRatt&Whitney jobs that have been listed for 2 years now, I have had my name in there all this time, no interviews, even the engineering aide positions, no bites.

Spherion is a radio tower/Cell Phone company in Meriden, I interviewed, came in 2nd place, the remaining openings are electical engineering/RF tower design, the temp agencies wont submit me, I already directly applied for several positions there.

The ones in Windsor Locks are Hamilton Sundstrand, they want a BS with UNIGRAPHICS and I never did that, seems all the rest of the drafting softwares are inconsequential and they wont train, classes are either at Central Ct St Col for over $1K, and I cannot afford it, the center for teaching it is in MAss near Boston, I am hoping the state will pay for re-training this summer while I am on unemployment.

Perkn elmer has a couple openings, I applied but they are paying only $15 an hour for someone to train to be a supervisor, and that is 40 miles each way for me, that is over $260 in gas a month! And my truck is 18 yars old, I cant do that and take the cut in pay like that and expect to pay bills.

If you want to take an accurate poll, call the temp agencies and ask them how many resumes they receive compared to how they match the job description. I am listed with over 50 state agencies and outside state agencies and I speak to them all the time. There are an average of 500 resumes for every position posted, including engineering.


34 posted on 06/01/2004 10:23:33 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Sprite518

I know, 5 drafting languages, 15 years experience as a machine mechanic and 6 years experience as a designer/Draftsman isnt enough experience or ability to do design work...on small sheet metal parts...

Sorry, but some people just repeat mantras that make no sense to those of us actually out there doing the work.


35 posted on 06/01/2004 10:26:29 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: SierraWasp

I like it!


36 posted on 06/01/2004 10:29:26 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Choose Ye This Day
Most engineers here will notice the common thread about most of the jobs that you posted: they're defense jobs, which are funded by taxes. Note that the administration is borrowing heavily to spend those dollars.

Connecticut's major employers over the years in manufacturing of that sort has been General Dynamics' Electric Boat Division (no commercial customers), Sikorsky Helicopters (hardly any commercial customers), and Pratt/Whitney America Aircraft Engines group (which does have commercial business, primarily improvements and upgrades to the JT-9, but has been doing a lot of government development work lately that used to go to Vero Beach).

If "manufacturing" is going anywhere in the U.S., it's mostly based on building either government products, or building ITARS protected commerical (i.e., dual use) products.

Everything else that can be built elsewhere and imported back into the country tariff free will be because if it isn't, someone else will do it and undercut you in price. Since the U.S. provides little protection for it's own goods, and in fact subsidizes the foreign goods, the end result is that commerical production will usually be forced to go offshore.

Want a job? Get a clearance, and lobby the Congress to spend money in your district. It's the American way. Just ask Boeing/LockMart/GD/Raytheon/Textron.

37 posted on 06/01/2004 10:31:40 AM PDT by Regulator
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To: Willie Green
Per Willie Green ... The Institute for Supply Management is notorious for placing fallacious spin on it's bogus statistics. Government policies remain structurally hostile to the manufacturing sector ...

From the Reuters source article ... "The ISM index is compiled from monthly responses by purchasing executives at more than 400 industrial companies, ranging from textiles and chemicals to paper and computers."

38 posted on 06/01/2004 10:33:16 AM PDT by Stagerite ("The road to hell is paved with good intentions.")
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To: Phantom Lord
And if someone who was doing those jobs 15 years ago hasn't increased their marketable skill set in the past 15 years, then they have locked themselves into their situation, not the economy, and certainly not President Bush.

. You are either coming in this arguement late or you arent paying attention.

I got my degree in 93, started engineering in 95, got laid off from Engineering in 2001, havent had ANY steady work since!

Actually, I havent had any steady work since 99! The telecom company I stared with in 99 collapsed almost in 2001. They are still a ghost town in manufacturing, but they sure opened up a company in Ireland that is booming!

39 posted on 06/01/2004 10:37:23 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Coop
Well, this is certainly depressing news... for the Kerry camp.

Well, the economy may be doing well but it isn't like it's because of anything Bush has done. And besides, look at those gas prices! Inflation!
40 posted on 06/01/2004 10:39:12 AM PDT by johnb838 (When I hear "Allahu Akhbar" it means somebody is about to die.)
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To: johnb838
Of course it is. Tax cuts - whether from Dubya, Kennedy or Reagan - stimulate economic growth.

Or was that sarcasm?

41 posted on 06/01/2004 10:42:27 AM PDT by Coop (Freedom isn't free)
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To: Sprite518

Have you noticed that all the reports of economic despair are anecdotal these days?


42 posted on 06/01/2004 10:42:46 AM PDT by johnb838 (When I hear "Allahu Akhbar" it means somebody is about to die.)
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To: Willie Green

Yeah, it's a shame all those blacksmiths have been put out of work by evil Government policies that are hostile to the manufacturing sector. You need to go back to square one and read "Wealth of Nations" so that you'll have a clue.


43 posted on 06/01/2004 10:51:08 AM PDT by rebel_yell2
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To: RaceBannon
I am hoping the state will pay for re-training this summer while I am on unemployment.

Ya. Why take care of yourself when you can pick someone elses pocket to pay for it.

44 posted on 06/01/2004 10:51:55 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: comebacknewt
Great news, but it only helps us if EVERY GOP talking head goes out and promotes it over and over. The MSM will never do it for us.

Our message recently has been splintered. If we coordinate it better, W can open up another lead over JFnK.


Which will happen about five minutes after I introduce you to the monkey that will soon be flying out of my butt.
45 posted on 06/01/2004 10:53:08 AM PDT by Xenalyte (It was nearly midnight before we scraped Uncle Harry off the dining-room table.)
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To: meadsjn

Ah... there it is... we're not successful until we've 'created' 3 million jobs to make up the deficit from the Clinton years, and another three million to make Mexico happy.


46 posted on 06/01/2004 10:53:55 AM PDT by johnb838 (When I hear "Allahu Akhbar" it means somebody is about to die.)
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To: Coop

Sorry, I was being sarcastic.


47 posted on 06/01/2004 10:55:57 AM PDT by johnb838 (When I hear "Allahu Akhbar" it means somebody is about to die.)
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To: RaceBannon
I might as well go bankrupt, but even still, I wont have enough money to pay rent!

It's no wonder you can't find a job with that attitude. Your pessimism can be spotted a mile away by any worthwhile HR recruiter.
48 posted on 06/01/2004 10:58:22 AM PDT by zencat (Visit my profile for MAGNETIC Bush/Cheney '04 bumper stickers!)
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To: RaceBannon

Um, we start bag boys at 7/hour down here in NC.


49 posted on 06/01/2004 10:58:29 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: zencat

The dimocrats will be eating their own.


50 posted on 06/01/2004 10:58:33 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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