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Strong Factory Growth Boosts Hiring (to highest level in 31 years)
Reuters via Yahoo ^ | 06/01/2004 | Eric Burroughs

Posted on 06/01/2004 8:51:58 AM PDT by zencat

U.S. manufacturing chugged to a full year of expansion in May, pushing factory hiring to its highest in 31 years, a survey released on Tuesday showed.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bush2004; bushrecovery; tdids; thebusheconomy; wgids
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To: Tennessean4Bush

FWIW, I didn't say you were a liberal, just that one small facet of one of your post reminded me of an attitude a liberal might have.

At least your liberal friends will get a chuckle. (If you tell them)...


151 posted on 06/01/2004 9:00:24 PM PDT by null and void (If you think more government is the solution to every problem, North Korea should be your paradise!)
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To: hinckley buzzard
Or, "gasp", move to a district where the jobs are

You'll still need a clearance.

And as for the other jobs, most other countries don't allow immigration (like Japan and China), unless you can prove lineage from their citizenry.

Unlike the U.S.

152 posted on 06/01/2004 9:07:45 PM PDT by Regulator (And neither does Mexico, but no one actually wants to live there. Not even the Mexicans.)
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To: RaceBannon
I am a degreed engineer, and the only job I was offered so far since the last layoff 3 weeks ago is the deli for 25 hours a week at $8.25 I might as well go bankrupt, but even still, I wont have enough money to pay rent!

I've had to take a jobs making around $8/hr during hard times and didn't run around crying to everybody about how unfair life was to me. I scarificed where I had to and thanked God I had a job at all. And things got better.

153 posted on 06/01/2004 9:08:31 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: RaceBannon
Check this one, $11 an hour?? http://www.agentry.com/JobDetail.asp?Job_Number=11045

$11/hr to start for a simple assembly job? That's pretty good. I've seen many assembly jobs starting out around $7 or $8. Someone fresh off the banana boat can do assembly.

154 posted on 06/01/2004 9:12:37 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: RaceBannon
I've seen it too many times now not to suggest that I don't think the word "mantra" means what you think it means. (anybody see The Pricess' Bride? Inconceivable!)
155 posted on 06/01/2004 11:12:01 PM PDT by bluefish (Disclaimer for Pukin: I do not believe Freepers should die for arguing with me.)
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"Tommy, have you thought about life after politics?"
156 posted on 06/01/2004 11:21:20 PM PDT by Consort
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To: zencat

Great news for America = Bad news for the Dem's, so of course it will NOT be reported on the front page, or probably not even in the main section of the papers, probably buried somewhere in the middle of the business section


157 posted on 06/02/2004 5:17:45 AM PDT by Driver70
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To: Texasforever

Ask a Korean War Vet about the Chinese, dearie. Yes. It is Treason.


158 posted on 06/02/2004 5:25:39 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Jorge

Not around here.

What most people here forget, when the average wage is HIGH, so is the price of living, th rents, the car prices, the gas, food

Well, wages have dropped, but NOTHING ELSE has dropped!

What $11 an hour got me in 1986 the last time I made it 18 YEARS AGO will not even get me close to the standard of living I grew into! And I am not even a homeowner! I rent becaue I havent got the money to buy a house!

Some of you people must have never tried to recover after a series of layoffs, and I have been in this for years.

And so have many of us up here, but we stayed because it was the CONSERVATIVE thing to do: To constantly retrain! To stick it out! To not run like women when problems occur!

Yet all of you just throw out mantras like
MOVE
START A BUSINESS (that one is so insulting, I have no money for rent yet I am supposed to start a business??)


159 posted on 06/02/2004 5:26:21 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Jorge
I've had to take a jobs making around $8/hr during hard times and didn't run around crying to everybody about how unfair life was to me. I scarificed where I had to and thanked God I had a job at all. And things got better.

When I made $8 an hour, it was 1983.

Stop making bad comparisons and you might be taken seriously

The cost of living has gone up here enormously, I dont live in Podunkville like you if you can live on $8 an hour...unless you lived with someone else or your Mom that is...

160 posted on 06/02/2004 5:28:20 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Jorge

I am also sick of explaining to morons liek you, that when I apply to those jobs, they dont hire me because I have a degree!

They all repeat THEIR mantra that I will leave when the economy pics up...sort of the insanity I hear on these threads by those who arent outsourced yet...


161 posted on 06/02/2004 5:29:55 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Texasforever
Up until Mr. Bush the Younger DID something positive -- he being a positive man set to his duty -- public stock dividend yields were the lowest they have ever been. People bought stock for the booster's promise of "Capital gains". Paper gains during a fiat money period were *easy*. Especially so since "accounting" as an art, as a duty, as a dread responsibility became -- well -- a sideshow, a benie, a sales-giveaway. That is a company could get whatever numbers served up in pretty tables that it wanted. As long as it hired the Grand Poobah Silk Purse Accounting Firm or its Partners as "consultants" for big moxies. Mega retainers.

Well, dividends are hard money. You actually have to come up with them and pay them out every so often. Establish a track record in consistentcy of payment. So they were anti-thetical to paper money, papered-over faux "valuations" and dividends were pro-Truth. A solid inidcator -- not perfect, just reliable in most cases over time.

And dividends, and Truth became Very Low, Negligible, Ignored. Derided. Discounted. Mocked, they became. Trutrh and dividends, both. At the same time the Red Army learned from the Mob. Buy honest businesses for fronts. And the Red Army took it further. They came to see that they could hollow out the ol' Liberty Tree. They could remove industry and manufacture -- most of which are needed for defense in some way, directly or indirectly.

What they did not first anticipate was as to how sucessful they would be. At how ready US "biz" men and the 537 would be to throw *everything* at them for a quarter or twos boost in papered profits and damn the jobs and those peons who hold them.

Treason. The Chinese Army that overran and mercilessly ran down our troops in Korea had learned it could be far smarter. Maybe it was the Vietnamese that taught them -- when the Viets beat the Chinese twenty years ago or so. Can't rely on massive armies -- you need to be smart as a Mafia Don and his best advisors. Hello Triads.

Treason. The 537. The Beltway's rulers. They didn't give a damn -- as long as greaseballs like the Enron entrepreneurs working with the Big Eight could make the paper sing and produce full bank accounts out of nothing.

Yes, said the 537 -- "FREE TRADE"!

Let us give China everything! They pay well, damn it.

Treason.

We are left hollow. Can't make a horse's blanket for the horse that pulls the cassion at a Military funeral. Can't machine the parts that make the drive trains of vehicles, nor the plastic trays in the mess halls.

A nail and the shoe was lost. A shoe and the horse was lost. A horse and the King is lost. A King and the Kingdom is lost.

We can't make nails. The tears and laments of nail makers, trained for years and proud of their profession are scorned by you and the fools around you.

When the King falls for lack of that nail, will you still be so scorning your countrymen out of their jobs?

Treason.

162 posted on 06/02/2004 5:55:07 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Yeah that is a great analogy! Not!!! LMAO! I have two words for you its called, "free market". Get over it! Moreover, study up on the US constitution. Focus on how a bill is passed. Perhaps then you will understand what is "Treason". Did you learn your economics at the school of Karl Marx?
163 posted on 06/02/2004 6:25:13 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Sprite518

Two thoughts together you can't put. A doctor awaits, or the mortician, eh? You chose. Go and be well.


164 posted on 06/02/2004 6:27:35 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Oh heck. I'm at Freescale Semiconductor (Motorola) and we are hiring gobs of engineers and other types, to accelerate even more in Q3 and Q4. I can't keep up (I'm a recruiter here)


165 posted on 06/02/2004 8:06:52 AM PDT by paulsy
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To: RaceBannon
and am ready for a second chapter 7

A second BK. Seems your track record with finance isn't the best, and sorry to say, could be part of the reason you aren't getting hired. Employers will often check credit histories.

What did you do at the LIEberman freep to warrant getting sued?

166 posted on 06/02/2004 8:22:22 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: paulsy

Do you need MEMS people???


167 posted on 06/02/2004 8:36:06 AM PDT by null and void (If you think more government is the solution to every problem, North Korea should be your paradise!)
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To: bvw

Facts and logic must be a foreign concept to you? Your childish antics, analogies, and clichés indicate that you lack the testicular fortitude to have any type of real debate.


168 posted on 06/02/2004 9:12:37 AM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Regulator
And as for the other jobs, most other countries don't allow immigration (like Japan and China), unless you can prove lineage from their citizenry.

Hmmm, I wonder how then my friend Joe (born in Italy and a naturalized US Citizen) left 6 months ago for a 2 year job in China.

169 posted on 06/02/2004 9:23:01 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: bvw
Man, your posts are the most sarcastic and bitter I've ever seen! You remind me of my father before he found Jesus. BTW, my dad hasn't worked as a machinist in 5 years. He's 62, so he's about given up being hired by anyone else. BUT, he used the equity in his paid-for house to buy an old run-down house in Florida, fix it up (very nicely - my dad is GOOD), and sell it for 25K profit. After a couple more, he figured he had a little business going. All of this while taking care of my severely handicapped brother.

But I digress. I thank you, however, for reminding me how thankful I am that he is no longer that bitter, detestable man that brought everyone around him down. Jesus brought around his attitude, and his steely character did the rest. My dad is a MAN.

170 posted on 06/02/2004 10:49:04 AM PDT by Warren_Piece (Just thinkin' about women and glasses of beer.)
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To: Warren_Piece
Thanks! To be compared with your Dad is an honor.

As Solomon said, there is a time for everything. Bitterness and sarcasm too. It is dangerous and larcenous -- in addition to a dereliction of duty -- to our nation that our manufacturing and technology infrastructure have been hollowed out and literally thrown at our adversaries like bags of loot thrown down from the upper floors by burglars.

There must be great bitterness about this -- so bitter that any politican of the 537 shall have his foot burnt off in the vats of it by stepping against our national interests in favor of foreign.

171 posted on 06/02/2004 12:06:37 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Sprite518
Metaphors are not your forte. A fresh bowl of lukewarm pablum of hackneyed globalist slogans is your level. But not for any thinking and seeing free man or woman.

Go share that grey muck pablum with the rest of your comrades while your all learn pidgin mandarin. And don't forget to put on the training leg shackles! All you all don't want to be too far behind the glorious "Free Trade" future, eh?

172 posted on 06/02/2004 12:11:59 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Oh you are so clever! Slogans.....Please.... LOL! Slogans are for Sheep. Do facts even matter to you? Look at Wall Streets latest numbers. It puts a giant hole through your 1930's protectionist philosophy.

Oh and regarding the comrades comment? I served in USMC not the Red Army.
173 posted on 06/02/2004 12:51:53 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Phantom Lord

Former State Senator Tom Scott was speaking, when the Rev BOISE KIMBER jumped on my truck uninvited after a few running steps.

I had no idea what he wanted, I thought he was going to attack Tom or Me, so I stepped to his side and stuck my hands across his chest and right arm.

He is claiming I assaulted him by doing that. He is also lying saying that I grabbed him by the throat, too.

We have many Freepers who are witnesses to what I just said.

Yet, I am being sued for assault.


174 posted on 06/02/2004 12:58:28 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon

Why didn't you file a counter suit?


175 posted on 06/02/2004 12:59:36 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Phantom Lord

No, I am not a loser when it comes to money, I am someone who keeps getting laid off when I acquite a small amount of debt, then cant pay the bill because I end up having to pay one bill one onth then a different one the next month because of the lack of income.

I NEVER overcharged my cards, I went over each time because I got laid off with no means of support and couldnt pay the bill. That and hospital bills, car emergencies, stuff like that.

That is why i laugh at people who say that $15 an hour is decent money for Ct!


176 posted on 06/02/2004 1:01:19 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon

If you have an offer for $15 an hour and have rejected it to remain unemployed I have no sympathy.


177 posted on 06/02/2004 1:03:26 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Phantom Lord

If I had an offer for $15 an hour I would have taken it.


178 posted on 06/02/2004 1:17:30 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Phantom Lord

This is what I mean, you guys arent even reading what I post!

I AM NOT BEING OFFERED THESE POSITIONS! THEY WONT HIRE ME BECAUE I HAVE A DEGREE!!


179 posted on 06/02/2004 1:18:14 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Phantom Lord

I did


180 posted on 06/02/2004 1:18:47 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon
I did

Good

181 posted on 06/02/2004 1:19:37 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: Choose Ye This Day

Damn, Kerry looks scary (skerry) on that picture, like a wax dummy or cadaver.


182 posted on 06/02/2004 1:21:41 PM PDT by Contra
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To: zencat

This news will be buried deep in the fish wrappers. The "mainstream" media will be running stories about Halliburton, Abu Ghraib, Chalabi, and anything else that they want to use in order to portray our President as not getting the job done.


183 posted on 06/02/2004 1:50:17 PM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: RaceBannon
I am also sick of explaining to morons liek you, that when I apply to those jobs, they dont hire me because I have a degree!

Well I, and I'm sure others, are sick of trying to counter the negativity, doom and gloom you post about your career problems and maybe encourage you in some way.

You're right. Life is totally hopeless and you should just give up.
How's that? Your problem isn't your degree, or outsourcing. It's your attitude.

184 posted on 06/02/2004 5:50:54 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge
Make sure you keep repeating the mantra!

The problem is not jobs leaving the country, it is not capital equipment leaving the country, the problem is not intellectual property leaving the country, the problem is not contracts going to communistic/fascistic/socialistic government run countries that prop up their companies with government funds to defer losses that the US companies cannot compete against...

THE PROBLEM IS YOUR ATTITUDE ABOUT IT!! JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THINGS WILL GET BETTER AND THEY WILL!

185 posted on 06/02/2004 5:52:43 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon
THE PROBLEM IS YOUR ATTITUDE ABOUT IT!! JUST KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THINGS WILL GET BETTER AND THEY WILL!

And look! They do!

Manufacturing in U.S. Expands at Faster Pace; Construction Spending Climbs
Bloomberg ^ | 06/01/04 |

"U.S. Economy: May ISM Factory Index Rises to 62.8 (Update2) June 1 (Bloomberg) -- A gauge of U.S. manufacturing unexpectedly rose last month to the highest in almost two decades as increased demand prompted more factories to hire than at any time in 31 years, an industry report showed."

"Factory payrolls probably grew by 20,000 in May after a 21,000 increase in April, according the median estimate in a separate Bloomberg News survey of economists ahead of Friday's employment report from the Labor Department. U.S. payrolls are expected to rise 225,000 in May after a rise of 288,000 people in April, according to the survey."

" Manufacturing production rose 0.7 percent last month and has been increasing since September. The 4.8 percent gain in total industrial production over the past 12 months is the biggest since a 5.7 percent year-over-year gain ended June 2000. The economy is projected to expand 4.6 percent this year, the most since 1984, according to the median estimate of a separate Bloomberg News survey this month."

186 posted on 06/02/2004 6:05:36 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: Jorge

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1146422/posts

thats why factories are still closing...during an economic upturn...


187 posted on 06/02/2004 6:21:34 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon
thats why factories are still closing...during an economic upturn...

Factories close even during the most prosperous economic upturns. Always have and always will.

Millions of jobs are lost and millions of jobs are created EVERY year in America.

But of course you can always find the dark lining on the silver cloud if you really look for it. If that's what you want in life then I say go for it!

188 posted on 06/02/2004 6:31:10 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: RaceBannon

Is moving to a new area of the country a viable option? Some areas are doing better than others.


189 posted on 06/02/2004 6:59:17 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

If I evr get ahead enough to have the money, it is not just an option, it is an imperitive.

However, I cannot afford to move across town, I need a money for a new deposit for that, somethng that is only a START for a move out of state!


190 posted on 06/02/2004 7:01:02 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon

First of all, 30k is more than 22k gross. $100 a month for phone? What? $270 a month for gas? Where the heck to you drive? That's about $170 too much per month...


191 posted on 06/02/2004 7:01:07 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: RaceBannon
in 1984, WENDYS was paying $8.25 for burger flipping!

Wow. Not where I lived. I was getting paid $3.65, I think.

As for tech positions in CT...I'd agree that things were completely dead till February...not a whole lot of layoffs, but if you did get laid off, there was no new hiring. Beginning in February there was a significant increase in techie jobs. DICE returns went from 5-7 jobs repeated for months, to several dozen with completely new sets of postings every few days.

Frankly, everything we've been getting this year is pretty much a surprise to me...the effects of the tax cuts on employment shouldn't have been going strong until July/August.

192 posted on 06/02/2004 7:11:51 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: RaceBannon
Adding up my bills, i need over $16 an hour to break even...

For those that think he's nuts...yeah...that's basically what it costs to work and eat in much of CT.

193 posted on 06/02/2004 7:22:06 PM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: ItisaReligionofPeace

No, thats connecticut

$31K gross is 23K net if taxes are 26% combined

$15 x 40 x 52 = 31200

$31200 x 26% in taxes being taken out with FICA and FEDTAX = $23,088

then, the phone bill here for basic phone is at least $55, I checked, then add internet, that's $20, so I kept the DSL and the plans that allow me to make many toll calls which I have to from where I live

Then, the gas bill is if the job is 40 miles at $1.70 a gallon! That was an old estimate based on work and church and attending classes which were even on the way!

Rent = $520 mnth and that s CHEAP around here for a one bedroom

Car ins = $500 to $600 or so, that goes up each year

Then, add in what you put in the basket on Sunday, coffee on th way to work or to stay up during classes (like so many accuse me of not doing)

$170 too much? You must live awfully close to work! :)


194 posted on 06/02/2004 7:26:55 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: lepton
For those that think he's nuts...yeah...that's basically what it costs to work and eat in much of CT.

And let's add that is just to SURVIVE, not to live and get ahead!

Try to save for a car or house on that money! Not here!

195 posted on 06/02/2004 7:33:01 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: lepton

That was Windsor Locks when Hamilton Standard was booming and still had 15,000 people working there and Pratt&Whitney had 35,000 people working here in East Hartford alone, plus Southington and Middletown and North Haven

and all the Mom and Pop machine shops still had work, and Kaman, where I worked had over 7,000 people working there.

Ahh...the 80's...(sigh)...Ronald Reagan made a lot of people get ahead, and when that Berlin Wall came down, and all the liberals talked about slashig the defense budget, I was on ALL the talk shows screaming about how it was going to bankrupt the state!

I was right. We have been scratching for work since 1991 when King Lowell Wieker instituted his income tax


196 posted on 06/02/2004 7:37:27 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon
At 36, I have never been on unemployment. I did quit a good job 5 years ago to pursue what turned out to be a boondoggle in funeral sales. Quickly realizing I had to eat I began delivery pizzas, and was averaging $700-$800 a week! That is $5.10 salary, mileage, and tips, but I did have to hustle.

Alot might be taxes in certain areas, that keep factories out. Our problem here in MS is tort reform and Haley Barbour screamed that with Toyota refused to come here. Taxes and regulations are the culprit!
197 posted on 06/03/2004 6:36:22 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Kerry: how can we trust him with our money, if Teresa won't trust him with hers!)
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To: Sybeck1

I delivered Pizza 2 years ago, par time, 3 nights a week, I only averaged $2.50 a delivery!

How in the WORLD did you get $700 a weekout of that??

I was making $7 an hour, plus about $32 for tips

5 x 7 = $35 + $32 = $67 a night


198 posted on 06/03/2004 6:50:38 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: RaceBannon
I work at a store next to an industrial area during the day mainly. That Pippa John's paid 6% of the total billed instead of $1 a run. So when an office order $200 pizza or so at an office party I got 6% of that plus the 15% tip.

I also worked at another location for the same woman at night. In fact the only day I had off was Mondays.

Consider the south if you do decide to move. My light bill $26 last month because we are on TVA power, and I bought a house last year where property taxes are $414 a year.

Fed Ex ground is building their national hub less than 3 miles away from me and I bet wages there will be $12 plus an hour there. Location, location, location! I do hope you find your break though.
199 posted on 06/03/2004 7:05:09 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Kerry: how can we trust him with our money, if Teresa won't trust him with hers!)
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To: RaceBannon
thats why factories are still closing...during an economic upturn...

Progress, technology, and increased productivity often lead to the elimination of jobs and physical assets and production facilities.

Look at the phone companies. While the number of transactions (calls placed) has gone up 1000% in the past 30 years, the number of "operators" for lack of a better term has declined by 75%.

200 posted on 06/03/2004 8:14:24 AM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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