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Kerry's long search for the magic message may be over
NYT/International Herald Tribune ^ | 6-1-04 | David M. Halbfinger

Posted on 06/01/2004 11:56:15 AM PDT by SJackson

Edited on 06/01/2004 3:54:28 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

John Kerry's campaign has been a font of slogans and catch phrases, but few of them have caught on - even with him.

Early on he offered a "better set of choices," then said he would make America "safer, stronger, more secure." Last September he found the "courage to do what's right for America." In November he declared himself "the real deal" and dared President George W. Bush to "bring it on." In March he promised "change starts here," in April he vowed to "build a stronger America," and in early May he touted his "lifetime of service and strength."

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The Kerry message, no "Jim Crow," no anti-semitism, and education and medical care for everyone. Stalin delivers.

Langston Hughes (1902-1967)

Writer, editor, lecturer

Langston Hughes achieved fame as a poet during the burgeoning of the arts known as the Harlem Renaissance, but those who label him "a Harlem Renaissance poet" have restricted his fame to only one genre and decade. In addition to his work as a poet, Hughes was a novelist, columnist, playwright, and essayist, and though he is most closely associated with Harlem, his world travels influenced his writing in a profound way. Langston Hughes followed the example of Paul Laurence Dunbar, one of his early poetic influences, to become the second African American to earn a living as a writer. His long and distinguished career produced volumes of diverse genres and inspired the work of countless other African American writers.

Although his youth was marked with transition, Hughes extracted meaning from the places and people whence he came. The search for employment led his mother and step-father, Homer Clark, to move several times. Hughes moved often between the households of his grandmother, his mother, and other surrogate parents. One of his essays claims that he has slept in "Ten Thousand Beds." Growing up in the Midwest (Lawrence, Kansas; Topeka, Kansas; Lincoln, Illinois; Cleveland, Ohio), young Hughes learned the blues and spirituals. He would subsequently weave these musical elements into his own poetry and fiction.

In a Cleveland, Ohio, high school, Hughes was designated "class poet" and there he published his first short stories. He became friends with some white classmates, yet he also suffered racial insult at the hands of other whites. He learned first-hand to distinguish "decent" from "reactionary" white folks, distinctions he would reiterate in his book Not Without Laughter and in his "Here to Yonder" columns in The Chicago Defender. Seeking some consolation and continuity in the midst of the myriad relocations of his youth, he grew to love books. His love of reading developed into a desire to write as he sought to replicate the powerful impact other writers from many cultures had made upon him. In his writing, Hughes accomplished an important feat. While others wallowed in self-revelation as a balm for their loneliness, Hughes often transformed his own agonies into the sufferings endured by the collective race and sometimes all of humankind.

After graduating from Central High School in Cleveland in 1920, he moved to Mexico City to live with his father for one year. His mother fumed about his departure, and his father offered him little warmth. Yet, with his unique gift for writing, Hughes turned the pain engendered by his parents' conflict into the noted poem, "The Negro Speaks of Rivers," published by Crisis in 1921.

Hughes gathered new impressions and new insights about race, class, and ethnicity in Mexico, where his ability to speak Spanish and his appearance often allowed him to blend in. Even Americans who would not have spoken to him in Cleveland or Kansas City would converse with him as a "Mexican" on the train. Although brown skin no longer remained an obstacle in Mexico, Hughes saw that poverty still reached many Mexicans. Numerous works, including a children's play, capture fragments of Hughes's days in Mexico.

When he left his ambitious father in Mexico, Hughes was expected to earn an engineering degree at Columbia University. Breaking abruptly with his insulted father, in the first of many brave and daring moves, Hughes withdrew from Columbia in 1922, and one year later he began his world travels. He visited several ports in Africa and he worked as a dishwasher in a Paris cabaret. Poems and short stories capture some of his impressions abroad. He sent a few of the pieces back home, where they were published, enhancing his growing reputation as a writer.

When financial strain ended his travels, Hughes returned to the United States. He once again attempted various forms of work, this time in Washington, D.C., where his mother had moved. Besides blue-collar work, he also served briefly in the office of publisher and historian Carter G. Woodson. Although he respected Dr. Woodson's significance to the African American community, Hughes did not like the eye-strain or the detail of his assignments. Nevertheless, he continued to write. In 1925 he won first prize in poetry in Opportunity magazine. He also met writer Carl Van Vechten, who assisted Hughes in securing a book contract with publisher Alfred A. Knopf. Hughes also enjoyed his "discovery" by poet Vachel Lindsay as the "busboy poet."

Begins Publishing Books Hughes's first volume of poetry, The Weary Blues, appeared in 1926. That same year, Hughes returned to college, this time as an older student and an acclaimed poet at the nation's first African American college, Lincoln University, in Pennsylvania. Spending any available weekend soaking up theater and music in nearby New York City, Hughes satisfied academic requirements during the week. A second volume of poetry, Fine Clothes to the Jew, was published in 1927. The Harlem Renaissance was in full bloom, and Hughes became one of the celebrated young talents who flourished during this era. Some controversy attended his celebrity, however. Not all blacks relished his use of dialect, his interpretation of blues and jazz, or his vivid and sensitive portrayals of workers. Hughes faced harsh criticism, including his designation not as poet laureate but as the "poet low-rate" of Harlem. As Hughes completed his years at Lincoln University in 1929, he also completed his first novel, Not Without Laughter, published in 1930. Still receiving financial assistance from Charlotte Mason, the patron he shared with Zora Neale Hurston and Alain Locke, among others, Hughes also accepted her advice regarding the contents and tone of the novel. He expressed disappointment with the completed novel, but the text remains in print, retaining uplifting representations of the diverse populations within the black community.

In 1930, however, Hughes separated from the control and the financial support of Mason. His integrity meant more to him than any luxuries her wealth could provide, thus, as with the break from his father, Hughes abandoned financial security in search of his own goals. When Mason disapproved of him, Hurston and Locke, who remained loyal to her, dropped from Hughes's list of associates.

Following the advice of Mary McLeod Bethune and sponsored by an award from the Rosenwald Foundation, Hughes began to tour the South with his poetry. Highly regarded as a reader, handsome and warm in person, Hughes gained many readers and admirers during his tours. He also visited the Scottsboro Boys in Alabama, who were accused of raping a white woman. Hughes created poetic and dramatic responses to the men's plight and the mixed reactions of the American public.

In 1932, Hughes went to Russia with a group of African Americans to assist with a film project that never bore fruit. When the project dissolved, most of the participants returned to the United States, but Hughes set off to explore the Soviet Union. In his own observations of the Soviet Union, Hughes saw many reasons to appreciate communism. Thus, while many other American writers were attracted to socialistic perspectives during the depression years, Hughes openly praised practices he had observed in the Soviet Union: no "Jim Crow," no anti-semitism, and education and medical care for everyone. He wrote numerous poems to capture those travels, and later, in both his Chicago Defender column and in his second autobiography, I Wonder As I Wander (1956), he recorded impressions of his travels. Following the journey to the Soviet Union, Hughes completed work on his first volume of short stories, The Ways of White Folks (1934). In 1936 he received a Guggenheim Foundation fellowship and worked with the Karamu House in Cleveland, Ohio, on several plays. His interest in theater continued in New York, where he founded the Harlem Suitcase Theater in 1938. A 1941 Rosenwald Fund fellowship further supported his play writing. However, he also moved into another genre. His interesting family heritage, his remarkable travels, and his participation in African American culture led to his first autobiographical volume, The Big Sea (1940).

World War II Efforts When the United States plunged into World War II, Hughes escaped military service, but he put his pen to work on behalf of political involvement and nationalism. Writing jingles to encourage the purchase of war bonds, and writing weekly columns in The Chicago Defender, Hughes encouraged readers to support the Allies. His appeals remained consistent with the "Double-V" campaign upheld by the black press: victory at home and victory abroad. Hughes encouraged black Americans to support the United States in its goals abroad, but he encouraged the government to provide for its own citizens at home the same freedoms being advocated abroad. A fictional voice emerged from these columns, that of Jesse B. Semple, better known as "Simple." While the character initially appeared as a Harlem everyman who needed encouragement to support the racially segregated U.S. armed forces, Simple evolved into a popular and enduring fictional character. The first volume of stories to develop from Simple's appearances in the Chicago Defender was published by Simon and Schuster in 1950, Simple Speaks His Mind. Works in the Theater Hughes retained his interest in theater, working with Kurt Weill and Elmer Rice to develop a musical adaptation of Rice's play Street Scene. The musical opened on Broadway in 1947, where it enjoyed a brief run that proved financially beneficial to Hughes.

Another significant theatrical collaboration involved William Grant Still, the first black composer in the United States to have a symphony performed by a major symphony orchestra, the first to have an opera produced by a major company in America, and the first to conduct a white major symphony orchestra in the Deep South. They collaborated on Troubled Island, based on the life of Jean Jacques Dessalines of Haiti, which Hughes had transformed from a play to a libretto. Hughes was in Spain reporting on the Spanish Civil War for the Baltimore Afro-American while Still adapted his libretto for an opera. Yet the project finally reached completion and opened in New York in 1949.

During the 1940s Hughes's poetry also continued to be published: Shakespeare in Harlem (1942), Fields of Wonder (1947), and One-Way Ticket (1949). He also engaged in some translation projects involving both French and Spanish texts. Hughes's success as a writer were acknowledged through the award of $1,000 from the American Academy of Arts and Letters in 1945. With his friend Arna Bontemps, he edited The Poetry of the Negro (1949).

The 1950s brought the Cold War and the horrors of Senator Joseph McCarthy's subcommittee on subversive activities. With his published record of socialistic sentiments and his public associations with known Communists, Hughes endured several years of attacks and boycotts. In 1953 he received a subpoena to testify about his interests in communism. Holding fast to his own dream of sustaining his career as a writer, Hughes salvaged his image as a loyal American citizen by insisting that the pro-Communist works he had published no longer represented his thinking. Although he bravely challenged authority figures earlier in his life, in this situation he acted to protect his chosen profession. He retained speaking engagements and his works continued to sell, but he lost the respect of some political activists. Communists bitterly resented the way he abandoned professed members of the party, including W. E. B. Du Bois and Paul Robeson, whom Hughes had lauded in earlier decades. Hughes chose self-preservation and sustained his career as a writer.

Frenzied Work Pace A career as a writer often led Hughes to accept multiple book contracts simultaneously, thereby imposing upon himself an arduous schedule of production. Correspondence housed in the Beinecke collection at Yale University, in the Special Collections of Fisk University, in the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture, and collected in the Charles Nichols edition of Arna Bontemps-Langston Hughes Letters, 1925-1967 (1980) reveal Hughes's frantic pace of writing, editing, revising, and publishing from the 1950s to the end of his life. He began to offer juvenile histories, including Famous American Negroes and The First Book of Rhythms in 1954, and The First Book of Jazz and Famous Negro Music Makers in 1955. He collaborated with photographer Roy De Carava on The Sweet Flypaper of Life in 1956, and in the same year he wrote Tambourines to Glory, The First Book of the West Indies, and his second autobiography I Wonder As I Wander.

Hughes's character Jesse B. Semple continued to thrive, appearing frequently in his weekly column in the Chicago Defender. A second book, Simple Takes a Wife (1953) and a third, Simple Stakes a Claim (1957), led to a musical version, Simply Heavenly, which ran on Broadway in 1957.

The last ten years of Hughes's life were marked by an astonishing proliferation of books: juvenile histories, poetry volumes, single genres anthologies (Laughing to Keep From Crying [short stories], 1952; Selected Poems, 1957; The Best of Simple, 1961; and Something in Common and Other Stories, 1963); a collection of genres (Langston Hughes Reader, 1958); and an adult history of the NAACP (Fight for Freedom, 1962). Hughes edited An African Treasury (1960); Poems from Black Africa, Ethiopia, and Other Countries (1963); New Negro Poets: U.S.A. (1964); and The Best Short Stories by Negro Writers (1967), in which he became the first to publish a short story by Alice Walker. Some of his efforts in drama were collected by Webster Smalley: Five Plays by Langston Hughes: Tambourines to Glory, Soul Gone Home, Little Ham, Mulatto, Simply Heavenly.

Hughes was inducted into the National Institute of Arts and Letters in 1961, the year he published his innovative book of poems to be read with jazz accompaniment, Ask Your Mama: 12 Moods for Jazz. During the 1950s he also recorded an album of himself reading some of his earlier verse, accompanied by jazz great Charles Mingus.

Hughes shifted his weekly newspaper column from The Chicago Defender to The New York Post. While Hughes had never shunned aggressive politics, he was mistaken for a timid accomodationist. Readers' letters revealed ignorance about his consistently positive appreciation of black people and culture and his consistently fair treatment of people of all races and cultures. Resilient even to the end of his life, Hughes withstood accusations that he foolishly joked about racial turmoil. He endured the hostile criticism, but in 1965 he ended his 22-year tenure as a newspaper columnist.

Hughes's death on May 22, 1967, apparently resulted from infection following prostate surgery and two weeks of treatment at the New York Polyclinic Hospital. Memorial services followed many of his own wishes, including the playing of Duke Ellington's "Do Nothing Till You Hear from Me."

The works of Hughes continued to appear even after his death. He had prepared The Panther and the Lash (1967), a collection of poems, but it was not published until after his death. Collaborations such as Black Magic (with Milton Meltzer, 1967) and a revision of the 1949 anthology, The Poetry of the Negro 1746-1970 (edited by Hughes and Arna Bontemps, 1970) were published, acknowledging his contributions and lamenting his death. Subsequent years have brought Good Morning Revolution, a collection of radical verse and essays (edited by Faith Berry, 1973); Collected Poems, a comprehensive and well-indexed chronological collection of his poetry (edited by Arnold Rampersad and David Roessel, 1994); The Return of Simple, a new collection of his Jesse B. Semple tales (edited by Akiba Sullivan Harper, 1994); Langston Hughes and the Chicago Defender, a collection of his non-Simple newspaper columns (edited by Christopher C. De Santis, 1995); and Langston Hughes Short Stories, retrieving previously unpublished short stories and collecting some now out of print (edited by Akiba Sullivan Harper, 1996).

Through his writing and through his generosity as a "dean" of literature, Hughes nurtured scores of writers and left behind an enduring legacy of literature. More than 20 years after his death, on the eighty-ninth anniversary of Hughes's birth in 1991, amid great celebration by noted writers such as Maya Angelou and Amiri Baraka, his cremated remains were interred beneath the commemoratively designed "I've Known Rivers" tile floor in the Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture in Harlem. Visitors to this noted research center may see this floor, pay respects to his remains, and remember the man.

1 posted on 06/01/2004 11:56:18 AM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson
"Let America be America again."

Well in Kerrys case, that saying would translate into "Let America be France".

2 posted on 06/01/2004 11:59:48 AM PDT by stillnoprotestsagainstmuslims (I`m still waiting for the protests against terrorism.)
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To: SJackson

Now there's something you don't see every day:

A duplicate post within the same post.


3 posted on 06/01/2004 12:00:26 PM PDT by martin_fierro
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To: SJackson

He could simply give America the finger. After all, it is what he really thinks of people who don't support him.


4 posted on 06/01/2004 12:01:16 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: SJackson
A fine poem, but the campaign slogan should be

Let America Be America Again (America never was America to me.) Who said the free? Not me?

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Let America Be America Again
Langston Hughes

Let America be America again.
Let it be the dream it used to be.
Let it be the pioneer on the plain
Seeking a home where he himself is free.

(America never was America to me.)


Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed--
Let it be that great strong land of love
Where never kings connive nor tyrants scheme
That any man be crushed by one above.

(It never was America to me.)

O, let my land be a land where Liberty
Is crowned with no false patriotic wreath,
But opportunity is real, and life is free,
Equality is in the air we breathe.

(There's never been equality for me, Nor freedom in this "homeland of the free.")

Say, who are you that mumbles in the dark?
And who are you that draws your veil across the stars?
I am the poor white, fooled and pushed apart,
I am the Negro bearing slavery's scars.
I am the red man driven from the land,
I am the immigrant clutching the hope I seek--
And finding only the same old stupid plan
Of dog eat dog, of mighty crush the weak.

I am the young man, full of strength and hope,
Tangled in that ancient endless chain
Of profit, power, gain, of grab the land!
Of grab the gold! Of grab the ways of satisfying need!
Of work the men! Of take the pay!
Of owning everything for one's own greed!

I am the farmer, bondsman to the soil.
I am the worker sold to the machine.
I am the Negro, servant to you all.
I am the people, humble, hungry, mean--
Hungry yet today despite the dream.
Beaten yet today--O, Pioneers!
I am the man who never got ahead,
The poorest worker bartered through the years.

Yet I'm the one who dreamt our basic dream
In the Old World while still a serf of kings,
Who dreamt a dream so strong, so brave, so true,
That even yet its mighty daring sings
In every brick and stone, in every furrow turned
That's made America the land it has become.
O, I'm the man who sailed those early seas
In search of what I meant to be my home--
For I'm the one who left dark Ireland's shore,
And Poland's plain, and England's grassy lea,
And torn from Black Africa's strand I came
To build a "homeland of the free."

The free?

Who said the free? Not me?
Surely not me? The millions on relief today?
The millions shot down when we strike?
The millions who have nothing for our pay?
For all the dreams we've dreamed
And all the songs we've sung
And all the hopes we've held
And all the flags we've hung,
The millions who have nothing for our pay--
Except the dream that's almost dead today.

O, let America be America again--
The land that never has been yet--
And yet must be--the land where every man is free.
The land that's mine--the poor man's, Indian's, Negro's, ME--
Who made America,
Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain,
Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain,
Must bring back our mighty dream again.

Sure, call me any ugly name you choose--
The steel of freedom does not stain.
From those who live like leeches on the people's lives,
We must take back our land again,
America!

O, yes,
I say it plain,
America never was America to me,
And yet I swear this oath--
America will be!

Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death,
The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies,
We, the people, must redeem
The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers.
The mountains and the endless plain--
All, all the stretch of these great green states-

- And make America again!

5 posted on 06/01/2004 12:02:30 PM PDT by SJackson (Be careful -- with quotations, you can damn anything, Andre Malraux)
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To: SJackson

"safer, stronger, more secure."

Isn't that the Trojan jingle? What a scum bag.


6 posted on 06/01/2004 12:02:31 PM PDT by gathersnomoss
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To: stillnoprotestsagainstmuslims

Gore was going to build a bridge to the future; Kerry is going to build a bridge to the past.


7 posted on 06/01/2004 12:04:14 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: SJackson
"Let America be America again. Let it be the dream it used to be."


8 posted on 06/01/2004 12:04:22 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: stillnoprotestsagainstmuslims; doug from upland
Well in Kerrys case, that saying would translate into "Let America be France".

Langston Hughes. Very Funny. Kerry's hopeless. If he wants to appear honest, he should stick to a poem he's comfortable with.

9 posted on 06/01/2004 12:04:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: SJackson

---It is the title of a 1938 poem by Langston Hughes, and Kerry has mainly been invoking its first lines: "Let America be America again. Let it be the dream it used to be." ----

I'm no historian, but my first thought is that the poem recalls the fun and good times of the roaring twenties. I think Kerry wants to go back to the good old roaring 90's.

Back then it was something called the "Depression" that changed everything. Today it is "9/11".

I wonder if the 1938 poem has "isolationism" aspects to it as well, with the war looming in Europe.


10 posted on 06/01/2004 12:04:51 PM PDT by geopyg (Peace..................through decisive and ultimate VICTORY. (Democracy, whiskey, sexy))
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To: SJackson

Today from NewsMax...Very funny!!! (Jean is such a flop)

Kerry 'Flips Off' Vietnam Vet

Democratic senator - and certain presidential nominee - John F. Kerry gave the middle finger to a Vietnam veteran at the Vietnam Memorial Wall on Memorial Day morning, NewsMax.com has learned.

Ted Sampley, a former Green Beret who served two full tours in Vietnam, spotted Kerry and his Secret Service detail at about 9:00 a.m. Monday morning at the Wall. Sampley walked up to Kerry, extended his hand and said, "Senator, I am Ted Sampley, the head of Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, and I am here to escort you away from the Wall because you do not belong here."

At that point a Secret Service officer told Sampley to back away from Kerry. Sampley moved about 6 feet away and opened his jacket to reveal a HANOI JOHN T-shirt.

Kerry then began talking to a group of schoolchildren. Sampley then showed the T-shirt to the children and said, "Kerry does not belong at the Wall because he betrayed the brave soldiers who fought in Vietnam."

Just then Kerry - in front of the school children, other visitors and Secret Service agents - brazenly 'flashed the bird' at Sampley and then yelled out to everyone, "Sampley is a felon!"

Kerry was referring to an incident 12 years ago when Sampley confronted Sen. John McCain's chief aide, Mark Salter, in a Senate stairwell after McCain repeatedly offended POW families at a Senate POW hearing. Sampley, whose father-in-law at that time was MIA in Laos, followed Salter into the stairwell and, when they emerged, Salter had a bloody lip and a broken nose.

Sampley's group, Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry, has garnered huge national attention and has been featured in the New York Times, the Washington Post and on MSNBC's "Scarborough Country." Tens of thousands of Vietnam vets have registered their opposition to Kerry through Sampley's group.

Clearly Sampley has gotten under Kerry's skin once again.


11 posted on 06/01/2004 12:05:28 PM PDT by BillyCrockett
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The fact that the poem was written in 1938 is a good indicator of just how original his campaign is. It's 2004, isn't it about time the Democrats stopped campaigning against the Great Depression?


12 posted on 06/01/2004 12:05:48 PM PDT by Calvin Coolidge
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To: SJackson
"...Kerry's advisers say they are mindful that campaigns are won by talking about the future, not the past..."

So why does he keep talking his Vietnam service?????? LOL!!!

13 posted on 06/01/2004 12:05:58 PM PDT by SouthernHawk
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To: SJackson
Having no core beliefs, I guess he needs a "message." Or is it that his ultra-leftist beliefs won't be approved of by most Americans, so he needs a snappy "message?"

I'd like "America to be America again", but that would involve time traveling to before 9-11. What these leftists don't get is that 9-11 changed everything.

14 posted on 06/01/2004 12:06:33 PM PDT by veronica (Sen. Robert Bryd has seen more hoods than Iraqi prisoners ever wore....)
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Now there's something you don't see every day:…A duplicate post within the same post.

Post 2 is the poets bio, post 5 the poem, since the Kerry campaign is mischaracterizing it. The America Kerry want’s America to be again never existed, other than under Stalin.

Fine poet, nice poem, but a really bizarre choice for a campaign theme.

15 posted on 06/01/2004 12:07:03 PM PDT by SJackson (Be careful -- with quotations, you can damn anything, Andre Malraux)
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To: SJackson
John Kerry's campaign has been a font of slogans and catch phrases, but few of them have caught on - even with him.

"That's why we, The New York Times, are going to give this dog a leg up and annoint 'let America be America' the official Kerry Katch-Fraze®."

16 posted on 06/01/2004 12:07:07 PM PDT by randog (Everything works great 'til the current flows.)
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To: martin_fierro

It does seem to be multiply repetitively redundant, doesn't it?


17 posted on 06/01/2004 12:07:41 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SJackson

Lately I've been of the opinion that Kerry is getting advice from John McCain.

It was sort of confirmed for me this past weekend. On a talk show, McCain said something like "Wouldn't it be nice if Senator Kerry said to the terrorists, whichever of us is the next President of the United States, there is no difference between us on the fight against terrorism."

Until recently Kerry hasn't been doing too well on his Iraq speech but he did come up within the last week a statement very similar to what McCain wished.

I'm starting to get very suspicious of the Kerry/McCain ticket.


18 posted on 06/01/2004 12:08:06 PM PDT by BushisTheMan
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To: SJackson

The phrase has the ring of a judgmental critic who very vaguely implies that he has all the answers and arrogates to himself and only himself the proper "vision" of America, which sure fits Kerry to a T.


19 posted on 06/01/2004 12:08:16 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: martin_fierro

You can say that again.


20 posted on 06/01/2004 12:08:29 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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