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Rome's new cardinal sin
Boston Globe ^ | May 30, 2004 | Eileen McNamara

Posted on 06/01/2004 12:06:44 PM PDT by tvn

It wasn't enough to evict parishioners from 65 churches in the scandal-stained Archdiocese of Boston? The Vatican had to choose the same week to install the chief architect of this disaster in a Roman basilica?

Set aside the fundamental depravity of rewarding an unindicted coconspirator in serial child rape with a plush posting to the Eternal City. How much clearer a signal could the Roman Catholic Church send to the faithful that it administers justice in two tiers, one for the laity and another for its clerics?....

Saying the occasional Mass for five nuns in a suburban Maryland convent, between regular jaunts to Rome, earns Cardinal Bernard F. Law absolution for enabling and then covering up decades of crimes against children? Why didn't his confessor just tell His Eminence to say three Hail Marys and call it even?

The layer of frosting on this hierarchical hypocrisy was the pronouncement from Pope John Paul II on Friday that the United States is "a society increasingly in danger of forgetting its spiritual roots."

The Vatican's appointment of Law as head priest at the Basilica of St. Mary Major is an affront to every immigrant whose hard-earned nickels and dimes built the churches that will now be razed or sold off for condominiums to ease the financial burden brought by the clergy sexual abuse crisis. It does not matter whether the proceeds are used directly to pay the multimillion-dollar settlements to abuse victims. The coffers are empty because the scandal emptied the pews of the people and their checkbooks.

A diminished priesthood and disheartened laity could have inspired thoughtful reflection in Rome. Instead, it provoked a fearful retrenchment, an attack on American Catholics who question church policy on women priests, on celibacy, on the attempt to assert control over the votes of Catholic politicians.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: cardinallaw; catholicchurch; reform; scandal
Some reactions from Boston.
1 posted on 06/01/2004 12:06:47 PM PDT by tvn
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To: tvn

Eileen is taking the same medication as Al Gore.


2 posted on 06/01/2004 12:11:08 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: tvn

Cardinal Law has been given pretty much a nothing job. He has been sent off to pasture. I wish the homosexuals will leave him in peace now.


3 posted on 06/01/2004 12:12:45 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: tvn
The layer of frosting on this hierarchical hypocrisy was the pronouncement from Pope John Paul II on Friday that the United States is "a society increasingly in danger of forgetting its spiritual roots."

I heard that statement and thought it funny coming from Europe. Although there probably is some truth to it.

4 posted on 06/01/2004 12:15:39 PM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: tvn
That's why Kerry and Pelosi are giving Rome the finger, as well. Roman Catholic dems know they don't have to pay any attention to church doctrine at any time because the are nuanced and kindred spirits. ALL of the Kennedys are laughing at Rome.

And, when Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy praise today's court decision on abortion, they are daring the church to say word one. They KNOW the church will say NOTHING!!!

5 posted on 06/01/2004 12:16:36 PM PDT by Tacis (,)
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To: tvn

Law got a symbolic appointment, but, PR-wise, what a colossal blunder to "honor" him with anything!


6 posted on 06/01/2004 12:20:38 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Tacis
"Pelosi, Kerry and Kennedy .... They KNOW the church will say NOTHING"

You are right. I think is is becoming very clear this Pope is losing moral authority. I'm not saying that is as it should be, but just a point of fact.

He has lost control over Traditional Catholics and will not likely see a reconciliation in his lifetime. The feminist and the homosexual lobby have never liked him now the average churchgoing catholic is questioning his actions.

Since his ill health may linger for years and he seems to have no intention of fixing things, we will see more trouble ahead. Lord what will you send us in the next pope.
8 posted on 06/01/2004 1:01:54 PM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: tvn
".....the churches that will now be razed or sold off for condominiums....."

Or perhaps mosques. You heard it first here, from a FReeper who has developed a very cynical world view and a knack for predicting future events.......

9 posted on 06/01/2004 1:37:11 PM PDT by tracer
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To: tvn
It does not matter whether the proceeds are used directly to pay the multimillion-dollar settlements to abuse victims.

Let's not let facts get in the way of condemnation.

The coffers are empty because the scandal emptied the pews of the people and their checkbooks.

And never, ever, ever before in the history of the Catholic Church has there ever been a disloyal, disobedient or sinful priest or bishop. It is just too shocking to the "good" Catholics of the archdiocese.

an unindicted coconspirator in serial child rape

How well we recall the days of Watergate! Except now we can call someone a "co-conspirator" without any actual evidence of malice.

10 posted on 06/01/2004 1:47:14 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: tvn
A diminished priesthood and disheartened laity could have inspired thoughtful reflection in Rome. Instead, it provoked a fearful retrenchment, an attack on American Catholics who question church policy on women priests, on celibacy, on the attempt to assert control over the votes of Catholic politicians.

Eileen McNamara, Columnist, The Boston Globe,

11 posted on 06/01/2004 1:53:13 PM PDT by Fast Ed97
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To: arkfreepdom
The layer of frosting on this hierarchical hypocrisy was the pronouncement from Pope John Paul II on Friday that the United States is "a society increasingly in danger of forgetting its spiritual roots."

I heard that statement and thought it funny coming from Europe. Although there probably is some truth to it.

I find it more amusing that this statement comes from a Catholic, given that America's "spiritual roots" are in Puritanism and Methodism--both Protestant movements, the latter born of the former.

12 posted on 06/01/2004 1:59:47 PM PDT by The Grammarian (The Seraph of Syntax)
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To: tvn
Eileen McNamara- This hag with a Catholic sounding name recently wrote that the Church should lose its exempt status because of opposition to gay marriage.


13 posted on 06/01/2004 2:42:15 PM PDT by Fast Ed97
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To: tvn
Could the author ask any more questions? I mean, has she ever heard of a declarative sentence? Does your head hurt yet? You want to know how much mine hurts? What about your eyes? Would you be mad if I told you?

Okay, I'll stop now.
14 posted on 06/01/2004 2:44:13 PM PDT by Xenalyte (It was nearly midnight before we scraped Uncle Harry off the dining-room table.)
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To: tvn
Apparently Cardinal Law can't be prosecuted according to civil law or he would have been in prison months ago.

What do you do with a disgraced Cardinal? Put him in a meaningless but titled job somewhere in Rome. No stipend, no living quarters, he gets nada. If this job is so cool, what was the name of the previous owner of it?

15 posted on 06/01/2004 5:20:40 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
What do you do with a disgraced Cardinal?

How about making him the chaplain at some old folks home in East Toadstrangle, Texas?

16 posted on 06/01/2004 5:28:32 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Be serious. What bishop or cardinal would want a notorious cardinal in their diocese? Plus you think an old folks home wants tv cameras and reporters skulking around all the time?


17 posted on 06/01/2004 6:12:08 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: american colleen
What bishop or cardinal would want a notorious cardinal in their diocese?

Obviously the Bishop of Rome has no problem with it.

18 posted on 06/01/2004 6:16:44 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Jefferson Davis - the first 'selected, not elected' president.)
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To: Mark in the Old South
He has lost control over Traditional Catholics and will not likely see a reconciliation in his lifetime.

I'd wager some major coin that the next Pope will cut the SSPX loose and give it some unconditional ultimatums, if it wishes to reconcile.

Otherwise, adios.

19 posted on 06/01/2004 6:21:28 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

OK, you win. Personally, I couldn't care less where Cardinal Law is as long as he is not the head of a diocese, especially mine. I don't want to see his face in the newspapers and I don't want to see him on the nightly news. If he's in Rome, I don't have to see him and he can go on and work out his salvation in trembling and fear. Or not.


20 posted on 06/01/2004 6:41:36 PM PDT by american colleen
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To: The Grammarian

He's talking about Christianity.


21 posted on 06/01/2004 11:13:07 PM PDT by saradippity
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To: american colleen

Re: "What do you do with a disgraced Cardinal?"

Stamp licker with NAMBLA?


22 posted on 06/02/2004 8:49:09 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: sinkspur

Be gone little man, we don't serve you kind here.


23 posted on 06/02/2004 8:50:42 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Mark in the Old South
Be gone little man, we don't serve you kind here.

You went from Protestantism to schism.

How did you improve your spiritual lot?

24 posted on 06/02/2004 8:54:28 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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Re: "You went from Protestantism to schism."

You still have not explained how I could have converted to Catholicism and suddenly become schismatic. Since you are the one making the accusation you will have to justify it or be taken for a foolish man, that or an intellectual weakling.

Spiritually? Never felt better. How about you? I come to this website to talk and learn from others of like mind. I do not go to liberal websites and lob verbal Molotov cocktails, make accusations that I don't back up and in general tick off people. All these things you do all the time. Does this improve your spiritual lot brother?

Never mind I shouldn't waste my time, you will never answer a meaningful question in a meaningful way. It is not why you are here.
25 posted on 06/02/2004 9:07:18 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Mark in the Old South
LOL! You "out-nasty" me any day of the week, bub.

That's why so many of your posts get pulled.

26 posted on 06/02/2004 9:22:05 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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Re: "That's why so many of your posts get pulled."

This a prime example of what I am talking about. I haven't had any post pulled, as far as I know. You make wild charges but you do not back anything up. I doubt you will do so now. You did not answer any of the questions I asked above? You will not do so now. People can see through these methods.
27 posted on 06/02/2004 9:28:27 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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To: Mark in the Old South
I haven't had any post pulled, as far as I know.

You've had at least three pulled. I know, because I had them pulled. They were insulting and vulgar.

You know the answers to the questions you asked. You've been told them over and over and over.

28 posted on 06/02/2004 9:31:55 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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Re: "You know the answers to the questions you asked. You've been told them over and over and over"

You had done this since day one. This is not an answer.
If post have been pulled I sure don't know about it. But If anyone would cry about it it would be you. I don't see other people doing this to you. Does this make you happy, feel more powerful? Opps I asked another question silly moi. No point in that.
29 posted on 06/02/2004 9:52:52 AM PDT by Mark in the Old South
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