Posted on 06/02/2004 10:29:02 AM PDT by Edward_Daley
"...you don't think a permanent state of war existed between the U.S. and Saddam?"
This is 'hair-splitting', but it seems there was a 'state of hostilities', not war. Keeping in mind that the 'rules of war' are fairly arcane and only used when it suits your own purpose. It really doesn't matter all that much now.
Currently we can discuss such fine distinctions as - 'liberator' vs 'occupier'.
Indeed, and thank you for the compliment.
Well, I wouldn't go quite that far, but I do appreciate the sentiment. :o)
Thank you... thank you very much. :o)
"Germany never attacked us..."
I could have sworn some of their U-boats sank some US Merchant ships. Would that equal an 'attack' - I don't know.
Hey, facts never stopped a liberal columnist before. ;o)
Thanks, that's just what I was shootin' for! :o)
So, which of us is splitting hairs? Your denial that an undeclared state of war existed between the U.S. and Saddam? Or my pointing out that it existed?
If memory serves me correctly, the Germans invaded Belgium then declared war on Belgium. Does this mean that since Germany did not declare war before invading, no state of war existed until the formal declaration?
Saddam CONTINUOUSLY VIOLATED THE ARTICLES of SURRENDER from GW I. Thereby we were still at WAR with HIM and HOSTILITIES were in abeyance. GWII was JUST a RESUMPTION OF HOSTILITIES. Thereby the war in IRAQ was NOT preemptive.
Ed,
Fantastic article, and I just bookmarked your website. Keep up the good work--you're a modern Thomas Paine!
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"I've already posted the German declaration. Here's the American: "
Thanks for the info!
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In addition, Clinton point-man Richard Perle claims he was the one that approved the flight of the bin Laden family out of the US.
"remind you that extrapolating cause and effect scenarios from random data "
Extrapolating from random data?! The USA's sale of WMDs to Saddam and then pursuing his removal based on his possesion of these, and other WMDs, is hardly 'random data'. Talk about extrapolating! Pot, meet kettle...
"The selling of weapons technology to Saddam cannot be used as an indictment of US complicity in his actions."
Never did I make such an assertion. I only referenced the historical connection between the Bush family and Saddam.
"We allowed other diplomatic personell to leave the country on 9/11, it is just the Saudis and Bin Laden relatives that are always mentioned. "
Probably because the 15 of the 19 hijackers were Saudi and all were Bin Laden's minions? Were any other diplomatic personnel flown out of the country so closely-tied to 9/11 itself? I didn't think so.
"You get to read source material and form opinions based on the actual facts instead of edited, recopied, and pre-pasted propoganda. "
What - and miss debates like this one with people like yourself? NEVER!
"But they are members of the same evil brotherhood of terror and are both equally enemies of the United States. "
Nor was this point ever disagreed with. Subtracting points for your pointing out of the obvious. Sorry!
Cool article, I just sent this to some friends. :)
•Declared that anyone, including the press could not criticize the war or the administration on pain of jail time and made it happen for a large number of war oppponents, including a Congresssman. This effort was enforced by a new "agency" whose only duty was to root out opponents and jailing them. Certain publications were effectivedly censored or put out of business by shutting the Postal Services to them.
•Who declared that all strikes organized by unions were prohibited during the war and any union leaders that delared a strike would imprisoned? The same president effectively emprisoned a train load of union leaders, leaving them in a sidelined train in the desert of Arizona.
•What president declared that anyone who failed to support the war by buying war bonds was a traitor to be ostracized and puiblically ridiculed..
• What president began a massive draft of young men who were exposed to a new epidemic that killed thousands of them in over-crowded new camps and then made the epidemic into a pandemic world-wide by shipping the troops, many infected, to Europe and as many as 20 million people died? This same president said nary a word to the public about the epidemic although thousands were dying every day in US cities?
•What president went to the peace conference after the war and fell prey to the epidemic himself, thus losing his concentration and allowing the French to dictate the terms to the losers and helping bring about WW II?
Give up? It was Woodrow Wilson, another RAT president. For a review of all these facts, read "The Great Influenza" By John Barry, an amazingly well-documented book that will shock all readers.
"Since you said that this blather is "provable" why don't you start out providing the photos, documents and such to do so
If you don't have actual proof, then you need to stop spreading around fables as facts.
It is silly."
What is silly is your refusal to acknowledge what other people in this thread already have - that the US sold WMDs to Saddam in 1983 to defeat Iran and that the Bin Laden family was flown out of this country on 9-11. Your refusal to accept fact doesn't change fact, unfortunately. As far as providing you actual proof, sorry - I don't have the time and it wouldn't be worth the effort anyways, as you'd probably still disbelieve. Search for yourself. You ARE aware, aren't you, that the USA was a huge military supporter/supplier of Iraq in the Iraq/Iran war? Or do you deny that that conflict even took place? Go do some research before bothering me again.
"It's a slight exaggeration. ;o)"
don't get me wrong - it didn't detract much from an otherwise-excellent piece of satire and I salute your efforts.
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