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All that is not permitted is forbidden

Posted on 06/02/2004 11:31:34 AM PDT by CFW

What is the origin of this phrase?
All that is not permitted is forbidden

It is the foundation for our proposed local zoning code.
Can anyone give me some history, it seems very familiar.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: forbidden; landuse; permitted; zoning

1 posted on 06/02/2004 11:31:34 AM PDT by CFW
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To: CFW
In New Jersey, it's more like:

"All that is not mandatory is prohibited."

2 posted on 06/02/2004 11:33:02 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: CFW

1984?


3 posted on 06/02/2004 11:33:07 AM PDT by Guillermo (Simpson, you've got a short in your tail light. It started blinking when you made that turn - Wiggum)
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To: CFW

That sounds like a line from 1984. But don't quote me on that.


4 posted on 06/02/2004 11:33:14 AM PDT by CherylBower
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To: CFW

Taliban?


5 posted on 06/02/2004 11:34:54 AM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: CFW

There are four Government Models in Eruope:

The English Model - All is permitted, except that which is forbidden.

The German Model - All is forbidden, except that which is permitted.

The Russian Model - All is forbidden, including that which is permitted.

The French Model - All is permitted, including that which is forbidden.


6 posted on 06/02/2004 11:35:24 AM PDT by norwaypinesavage
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To: CFW

Ask your local firewall administrator.


7 posted on 06/02/2004 11:35:32 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: CFW

It's how you setup an access list on a router. If you expressly permit certain addresses, all others are forbidden. :)


8 posted on 06/02/2004 11:36:52 AM PDT by brownsfan (I didn't leave the democratic party, the democratic party left me.)
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To: CherylBower
I've got a copy around here somewhere...could be from some Iyan Rand ... or maybe animal farm?

Seems like it's connected to one of the marxist theologists.

I wish I could find a Stalin quote like this or something elce to really pin the phrase on communism.

Or local zoning code is being built around this phrase.
9 posted on 06/02/2004 11:37:37 AM PDT by CFW
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To: CFW

GOOGLE the whole phrase in quotes and LQQK at the results..........Interesting..........


10 posted on 06/02/2004 11:39:22 AM PDT by Red Badger (DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!!! Redneck with a computer detected!........................)
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To: CFW
It's a democrat saying, but you left off half of it...

All that is not permitted is forbidden, unless you are a democrat.

11 posted on 06/02/2004 11:39:26 AM PDT by b4its2late (Algore probably invented the tagline.....)
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To: norwaypinesavage

Thanks. That helps to explain the origin of all those holes in Swiss Cheese.


12 posted on 06/02/2004 11:39:55 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: CFW

I believe it should be: Everything not permitted is forbidden.


13 posted on 06/02/2004 11:40:16 AM PDT by BJClinton
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To: CFW

Local zoning ordinances are getting out of hand.


14 posted on 06/02/2004 11:40:19 AM PDT by sonrise57
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To: CFW

Local zoning ordinances are getting out of hand.


15 posted on 06/02/2004 11:40:25 AM PDT by sonrise57
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To: CFW

No building/occupancy/land use, etc. permit = illegal.


16 posted on 06/02/2004 11:42:06 AM PDT by itsamelman ("Before I refuse to take your questions, I have an opening statement." -- R. Reagan)
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To: CFW
MANDATORY AND DISCRETIONARY ACCESS CONTROLS

Policy-based controls may be characterized as either mandatory or discretionary. With mandatory controls, only administrators and not owners of resources may make decisions that bear on or derive from policy. Only an administrator may change the category of a resource, and no one may grant a right of access that is explicitly forbidden in the access control policy.

Access controls that are not based on the policy are characterized as discretionary controls by the U.S. government and as need-to-know controls by other organizations. The latter term connotes least privilege — those who may read an item of data are precisely those whose tasks entail the need.

It is important to note that mandatory controls are prohibitive (i.e., all that is not expressly permitted is forbidden), not only permissive. Only within that context do discretionary controls operate, prohibiting still more access with the same exclusionary principle.

Discretionary access controls can extend beyond limiting which subjects can gain what type of access to which objects. Administrators can limit access to certain times of day or days of the week. Typically, the period during which access would be permitted is 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday through Friday. Such a limitation is designed to ensure that access takes place only when supervisory personnel are present, to discourage unauthorized use of data. Further, subjects’ rights to access might be suspended when they are on vacation or leave of absence. When subjects leave an organization altogether, their rights must be terminated rather than merely suspended.

17 posted on 06/02/2004 11:42:11 AM PDT by Camachee (`)
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To: CFW
All that is not permitted is forbidden

Schiller's Wallenstein had the line that "Whatever is not forbiden, is permitted". [Wallenstein was the Austrian Catholic commander in the 30 Years War [1618-1648] opposing Lutheran Swedish King, Gustavus Adolphus.] It was meant to express the extremely lax discipline in Wallenstein's Catholic army, anything not explicitly verboten was erlaubt. The norms of the day imposed numerous tacit constraints on behavior that were assumed to be universally understood.

18 posted on 06/02/2004 11:42:12 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Uday and Qusay are ead-day)
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To: CFW

It's a quote from Orwell's Animal Farm.


19 posted on 06/02/2004 11:42:25 AM PDT by oblomov (recovering libertarian for Bush)
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To: CFW

Expressio unius est exclusio alterius.


20 posted on 06/02/2004 11:42:57 AM PDT by Spok
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To: oblomov; CFW

I've seen it credited to Mussolini.


21 posted on 06/02/2004 11:47:16 AM PDT by Know your rights (The modern enlightened liberal doesn't care what you believe as long as you don't really believe it.)
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To: CFW

Our local zoning uses that logic when they wish to condemn a property. They go through and find every not permitted item and list ever violation. Ie did not pull a permit for a ceiling fan, light, doorway, plumbing fixture, toilet out of date etc.

Cities also use permiting as reasons to jack up property tax valuations.

I am in the camp which somehow remembers this from Orwell.


22 posted on 06/02/2004 11:57:54 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: CFW
All that is desirable will be mandatory, all that is undesirable will be prohibited.

I always thought it was H L Menken.

23 posted on 06/02/2004 12:00:09 PM PDT by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: CFW
Actually it comes from Calvin:

"The Reformed principle is that the acceptable way of worshipping God is instituted by himself, and so limited by his revealed will that he may not be worshipped in any other way than that prescribed in the Holy Scripture, that what is not commanded is forbidden. This is in contrast with the view that what is not forbidden is permitted." Collected Writings, I.167-68.

The alternative was held by Arminius.

24 posted on 06/02/2004 12:01:39 PM PDT by yatros from flatwater
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To: CFW
"All that is not permitted is forbidden"

Could be from this outdated and ignored relic from the pre-New Deal era--

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

25 posted on 06/02/2004 12:02:17 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: CFW

http://users.aol.com/kenjenks/personal/quotes.htm

ASCAN (Astronaut Candidate) 10 COMMANDMENTS


26 posted on 06/02/2004 12:05:50 PM PDT by FoxPro (jroehl2@yahoo.com)
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To: CFW

All which is not mandatory is hereby declared forbidden.

George Orwell



27 posted on 06/02/2004 12:11:32 PM PDT by siunevada
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To: Ken H
Could be from this outdated and ignored relic from the pre-New Deal era--

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Aha! The 10th Amendment from the Bill of Rights. I thought we'd done away with that one. It's certain that we've not followed to limit the ever-expanding Federal Government since, at least, the New Deal, as you say.

My old man, a lawyer, said that it was the very tenuous logic of enforcing the 14th, 15th, and 16th Amendments (freeing the Slaves and then guaranteeing their Civil Rights) that utterly destroyed the last vestiges of States Rights.

28 posted on 06/02/2004 12:28:42 PM PDT by DJtex
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To: norwaypinesavage

You missed one:

The Italian Model: All is permitted, especially that which is forbidden.


29 posted on 06/02/2004 12:34:25 PM PDT by blau993 (Labs for love; .357 for Security.)
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To: yatros from flatwater

Calvin is the context in which I've heard it used as well. The Puritans used it to develop their doctrine of the regulative principle of worship.


30 posted on 06/02/2004 12:37:59 PM PDT by aardvark1 (You can't have everything...where would you put it? --Steven Wright)
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To: siunevada
All which is not mandatory is hereby declared forbidden.

George Orwell

Exactly. It's got nothing to do with "permission." Things are either forbidden or mandatory.

We know we are still a free society here cause you can make a right on red. Or not. It is still up to your own option. No matter what the people behind you think, it is not mandatory to turn right on red. It's just annoying not to.

SD

31 posted on 06/02/2004 12:38:03 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: CFW

The oldest reference I know of is from The Once and Future king. Young King Arthur is transformed into an ant. The ant colony has a motto posted that says "ALL THAT IS NOT MANDATORY IS FORBIDDEN".


32 posted on 06/02/2004 12:39:25 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: CFW

It means that anything that is not specifically granted a permit through the application process is forbidden so you'll have neat prohibited things like replacing your hot water heater without a permit (which is about the same as the cost of the heater here in CC County, CA and which I, of course, had recently replaced without said permit)...


33 posted on 06/02/2004 12:39:56 PM PDT by Axenolith
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To: js1138

Trying to google this, I find a dozen alternate phrases. Obviously not all of them can be correct quotes.

Posts number 6 and 24 are interesting.


34 posted on 06/02/2004 12:45:39 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: CFW

I don't know if this was its first use, but in "The Once and Future King" by E.B. White (a book about King Arthur), Merlin transforms young Arthur into an ant. On entering the ant colony, Arthur reads a sign posted for all ants to read stating "Everything not forbidden is compulsory."


35 posted on 06/02/2004 12:45:59 PM PDT by ops33
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To: CFW

I think it's from some sort of agreement that anyone who would date one Hillary Rodham had to sign before she would go out with her.


36 posted on 06/02/2004 1:02:39 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: CFW

There is a Chassidic version:

vos men tor nit, tor men nit, un vos men meg darf men nit.

"What is forbidden, is forbidden, and what is allowed is not necessary."


37 posted on 06/02/2004 1:02:56 PM PDT by blurb
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To: ops33
Arthur reads a sign posted for all ants to read stating "Everything not forbidden is compulsory."

I've been trying to get this straight from memory. Google is no help. Everyone has a different version. Your version is the way I remember it, but it makes no sense. There is no way to forbid everything that needs to be forbidden. Perhaps that's the joke.

38 posted on 06/02/2004 1:08:27 PM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: CFW
Ayn Rand, Anthem: "Since the council does not know of this hole, there can be no law permitting to enter. And everything which is not permitted by law is forbidden."

I don't know if she originated it.

39 posted on 06/02/2004 1:13:10 PM PDT by Argh
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To: blau993
Das Modell Barvarian: Alles ist ausgenommen während fashing Jahreszeit verboten.

The Barvarian Model: All is forbidden, except during Fashing Season.

40 posted on 06/02/2004 1:23:29 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (If you're gonna be a bear, BE A GRIZZLY!)
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To: CFW
US Air Force flight manual.

The Navy manual says, "All that isn't prohibited is permitted." Very different mind-set.

41 posted on 06/02/2004 1:25:28 PM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

The navy manual .... hmmm that sounds like it might be a good source for some quotes, thanks.


42 posted on 06/02/2004 6:48:52 PM PDT by CFW
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