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Action Alert: ACCENTURE is awarded U.S. CONTRACT FOR BORDERS (Foreign Corporation!)
New York Times ^ | June 2, 2004 | Eric Lichtblau & John Markoff

Posted on 06/02/2004 5:19:18 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING

NEW YORK TIMES,

June 2, 2004 Accenture Is Awarded U.S. Contract for Borders By ERIC LICHTBLAU and JOHN MARKOFF

WASHINGTON, June 1 - The Department of Homeland Security on Tuesday named Accenture as the prime contractor for a multibillion-dollar project aimed at creating a "virtual border" around the country to head off would-be terrorists entering the United States.

Asa Hutchinson, the under secretary in charge of border security, said the project, called U.S.-Visit was "a significant milestone in the history of the department" and in the bolstering of border security since the Sept. 11 attacks. "I really don't think you could overstate the importance of this responsibility in terms of securing our nation," he said.

The project will use the latest technology, including biometrics, to identify people coming into the United States. The contract was awarded to Accenture, formerly Andersen Consulting, over two competing contractors, Lockheed Martin and Computer Sciences. Several industry executives and analysts said that the award surprised them and that Accenture had widely been considered the outside candidate.

The award also brought controversy. Accenture is incorporated in Bermuda, and some critics attacked the idea of awarding a contract so valuable and important to national security to a company with its headquarters outside the United States.

After Accenture was named, Representative Lloyd Doggett, a Texas Democrat, suggested the company took advantage of an uneven playing field to win the contract over Lockheed Martin and Computer Sciences.

"If companies truly want to contribute to our nation's security, they can pay their fair share of taxes. If they want a slice of the American pie, they had better help bake it," he said in a statement.

A spokesman for Accenture said that the company paid United States taxes.

Representative Richard E. Neal, a Massachusetts Democrat and a senior member of the House Ways and Means Committee, also questioned the award.

"This decision is outrageous," he said, in a statement. "The Bush administration has awarded the largest homeland security contract in history to a company that has given up its U.S. citizenship and moved to Bermuda. The inconsistency is breathtaking."

But homeland security officials said they were satisfied that Accenture, which has an operation in Reston, Va., with 25,000 employees, meets the legal requirements for an American-based company. The three bidders "were all U.S. companies," Mr. Hutchinson said.

The bid proposal set a range of $10 million to $10 billion over the 10-year life of the project. Mr. Hutchinson said the project was "certainly going to be a billion-dollar project when all is said and done."

Investigators at the General Accounting Office, however, have called the program "a very risky endeavor" because of management and financial concerns. They have estimated that the total cost, including financing needed from other agencies, could reach $15 billion.

Mr. Hutchinson said he was unperturbed by the findings.

"I would've been frustrated if they'd said it was not a risky endeavor," he said. "I could've told you that from Day 1."

Homeland security officials said that Accenture, in its bid proposal, provided an estimated cost of $72 million for two initial phases of the project, including the securing of the nation's 50 busiest land ports by the end of the year. Citing legal restrictions, officials would not disclose whether that represented the lowest bid. Other factors, including the companies' business and technical strategies and their experience were also considered, officials said.

Part of the challenge of the U.S.-Visit project will be integrating at least 19 large government databases, and that was a factor in the choice of Accenture, said T. Jeff Vining, an intelligence and law enforcement analyst at Gartner, the research firm.

"The government is basically soliciting on-the-fly R.& D.," he said, referring to research and development. Accenture also had the strongest team of subcontractors with international reach, he added.

Cindy Shaw, a financial analyst at Schwab SoundView Capital Markets, said the company had a successful track record with the Transportation Security Agency.

"One of the things that got lost in this whole competition is that Accenture helped T.S.A. put together its airport screening process," Ms. Shaw said. "They showed well under pressure there."

The project manager for the Accenture team said the company would take a similar approach to a contract it holds with the Pentagon's Defense Logistics Agency in deploying the U.S.-Visit system.

"We view this as a business transformation and we're talking about changing business processes," said Eric Stange, Accenture's program manager for the project. "We're looking at the human dimension as well as the technology dimension."

Mr. Stange said that in its work with the Defense Logistics Agency, Accenture had altered job descriptions and employee deployment. He said the border security project was similar in size and scale to the Pentagon contract. He refused, however, to make specific estimates either about the number of federal employees who would be involved or the number of Accenture employees who would take part.

The Department of Homeland Security has talked about using digital fingerprint and photographic information to help ensure identity. Mr. Stange, however, said that Accenture was continuing to evaluate other potential biometric techniques for accurate identity checks.

"Part of our approach is to continually assess technology innovations," Mr. Stange said. "For a 10-year contract that's a generation or two of technology, and biometrics is a very hot area."

The contract is for five years, with one-year options for five years after that.

Accenture's stock rose 75 cents on the news, to close at $25.36. Asked about what appeared to be a rise in the company's stock before the markets opened Tuesday, Mr. Hutchinson said he was unaware of any leak that might have driven up the stock but that the department would investigate. Wall Street analysts said, however, that there had been "chatter" about the award to Accenture before the market opened.


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Time to register your anger over a foreign entity in charge of our security! Whitehouse comment lines: 202-456-1111 and 202-456-2461

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Email Dept. of Homeland Security and give Ridge the whatfor: www.dhs.gov

1 posted on 06/02/2004 5:19:20 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

I am ripping mad about this! They bypassed two US corporations to give the massive contract to a FOREIGN CORPORATION. Do you want foreigners monitoring who gets into our country and who doesn't???


LOU DOBBS TONIGHT

Bermuda Based Accenture Wins Department of Homeland Security Contract

Aired June 1, 2004 - 18:00 ET

DOBBS: A foreign company wins a huge border security contract. It could be worth $10 billion. My guest tonight is the chairman of the House Committee on Homeland Security, Congressman Christopher Cox.

DOBBS: As we reported, the department of homeland security today awarded a border security contract worth as much as $10 billion over a ten-year period to Bermuda-based Accenture. Announcing that decision, Homeland Security Undersecretary for Border Security, Asa Hutchinson said, quote, "I really don't think you could overstate the importance of this responsibilty in terms of the security of this nation." And yet, the department of homeland security chose to award this critically important contract to a foreign company. Congressman Christopher Cox is the chairman of the select committee on homeland security and joining us tonight from Capitol Hill. Mr. Chairman, good to have you here.

Accenture, as you know, is a partnership incorporated in Bermuda through its level of organization. Operates in 40 countries. Are you concerned about the U.S. government awarding something so critical to national security to a foreign-based company?

REP. CHRISTOPHER COX (R-CA), SELECT CMTE. ON HOMELAND SECURITY: Well, it's a fair question. As you might imagine with a contract so significant and a competition for this contract so fierce, that question has been turned over and analyzed very, very carefully. The award of the contract makes it very clear that all this work is going to be done in the United States. It is true that Accenture's parent company is incorporated in Bermuda but Accenture in the United States with its 25,000 employees here in the U.S. is going to do this work along with a broader alliance, the smart border alliance, which, in total, has 330,000 employees in the United States. There is an assurance that all this work will be done here and, of course, all the taxes will be paid here as well. In its second quarter filing, Accenture, I should note, paid 35 percent of its earnings in taxes to the United States from its United States operations.

DOBBS: Mr. Chairman, 35 percent. Our research reveals that they don't say what percentage of that 35 percent tax level went to the U.S. in the form of taxes.

COX: No, no. What I said is that 35 percent of their earnings went to the United States in taxes.

DOBBS: Of Accenture in Bermuda?

COX: From Accenture, right. No, no. Accenture is incorporated in Bermuda. This is Accenture in the United States paying taxes here in the United States of America with 25,000 employees. But I think it is a fair question. We want to make sure on something that is of vital importance to our country who comes in and out of the borders, that we have technology that works, that we have system that works. And we want to make sure the U.S. contractor is in charge of that. DOBBS: A U.S. contractor in charge of it. I guess by some stretch of imagination one could consider a subsidiary a U.S. contractor, but they're also a subsidiary of a foreign-based company set up precisely to avoid taxes to the U.S. government and to the states in which they operate.

Is that really the message that you want to send to corporate America and to the rest of the country?

COX: Lou, as I just said, all the work is going to be done here in the United States with 330,000 employees, not just from Accenture, but several companies. All of the Accenture companies will be U.S. employees. It is going to be a U.S.- based operation, paying taxes here in the United States. So the U.S. Economy benefits directly this, the U.S. national security benefits directly from this. I think it is a fair point to raise it, that's why it was important we got the assurances.

DOBBS: Let's turn to the issue of the assurances and the visit program itself. Critics are saying, point blank, that they think this is going to be a very difficult contract to execute under any circumstance.

How confident are you that it can be the -- that deadlines can be met and this consortium executed?

COX: Count me in the camp that will cast a weary eye on all of this. This is enormously difficult what we're trying to do, with or without technology. The sheer numbers of people we have to look at, number one. And number two, the importance of accuracy, both in capturing the biometric information and matching it against other data bases. I want to make sure it works. This contract, I should note, which lasts for a decade, potentially, is worth up to $10 billion. It's also worth as little as $10 million. There are milestones along the way to make sure it works on issues of which technology to use, facial recognition, finger prints, retina scan, photography, even voice. All of these things are open questions that are subject to proof and experimentation as we go down the road. And we know that technology will change and move on us during this period. We want to use the very best technology available to us.

DOBBS: Congressman Cox, how satisfied are you with the progress being made by Homeland Security and the other agencies responsible for port security, for border security, along with the visit program and a host of other screening operations that were to have been in place that are not?

COX: As you know, first starting with U.S. Visit, it's operating on time. This contract, incidentally, was awarded on time. The program began in January of this year. We've just taken this container security initiative to further countries now as a result of our agreement with Europe, but we are seeing a great deal of progress there. The container security initiative for those who aren't fully aware of what that's about is screening cargo before it gets on the ship in foreign ports, before they come here. We're screening 100 percent of the high-risk cargo that enters the United States of America. There is no question that we have a lot more to do, but when you take a look at how much we've done in barely over a year it's absolutely extraordinary to move from a standing start to what is now being accomplished. Both my Democratic colleagues and Republican colleagues on the Homeland Security Committee, dedicated as we are to the oversight of the Homeland Security Department, a, want to see it succeed and, b, want to make sure we have constructive oversight to achieve these fundamentally difficult but important tasks.

DOBBS: Oversight is one of the roles of Congress which we're hearing increasingly from both Republicans and Democrats, some lament that Congress has not more rigorous in other areas, in terms of your committee's charter.

How concerned are you about not having sufficient oversight and engagement on these issues, particularly in the case of border security watching as many as a million illegal aliens cross our border every year?

COX: U.S. Visit, of course, is designed to deal with this problem. It is an entry/exit program. For the first time to begin keeping track of who's coming across the border, what their stay is, and when they leave. That's not been done before. And it's fund mentally necessary if you're going to claim to have control of your borders. I think the merger of this function into the Department of Homeland Security gives us an opportunity to get serious about border control in a way we never have before. I think the oversight and attention we can give to this is enhanced in the house of representatives because we, just like the executive branch which reorganized itself, have created the Homeland Security Committee expressly for this purpose.

DOBBS: Congressman Christopher Cox, chairman of the Select Committee on Homeland Security, we thank you for being with us.

COX: Happy to join you.

DOBBS: A reminder to vote in our poll tonight.

Do you believe the federal government should be outsourcing its border security?

Cast your vote at cnn.com/lou. We'll have the results coming up for you later in the broadcast.



I have a friend who says that Accenture plays in hisindustry: IT Consulting. They are known as scumbags. They play sloppy with the rules, pay low, and are bottom of the barrel players anymore. They get large contracts, but many of those fail.


2 posted on 06/02/2004 5:22:09 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Invest in Identix (IDNX).


3 posted on 06/02/2004 5:22:17 PM PDT by what's up
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Accenture, formerly known as Arthur Andersen (consulting).


4 posted on 06/02/2004 5:23:31 PM PDT by demsux
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To: demsux

I worked for AA in the 80's...let me tell you, if you wanted to ease your tax burden, these were the people to call.


5 posted on 06/02/2004 5:25:57 PM PDT by demsux
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To: demsux

Now a Bermuda based corporation, not a US corporation.


6 posted on 06/02/2004 5:28:09 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Hey. It helped my Accenture stocks :-)


7 posted on 06/02/2004 5:34:20 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

I have ACN stock as well, just a tiny amount. Stock didn't really move much on the news, must be because they are to share that contract with other companies, they happen to be the lead company, though.


8 posted on 06/02/2004 5:38:29 PM PDT by psjones
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Accenture is American.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 5:40:37 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
contract was awarded to Accenture, formerly Andersen Consulting

Is this the same Andersen Consulting who handled Enron's books? If it is you can bet Asa et al will get on-the-slye income from this deal.

11 posted on 06/02/2004 5:45:17 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

I wonder how many Bermudans are on the payroll? Bermuda "corporate headquarters" is a closet with a filing cabinet. The company is headquartered in New York City and has an American CEO. Looking at the Board of Directors, it looks like ten are Americans, one British, one German, and one Japanese.

Like more and more US companies, they have chosen to incorporate in the offshore haven of Bermuda.


12 posted on 06/02/2004 5:47:51 PM PDT by Toskrin (War least of all goes according to plan.)
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To: drypowder
Is this the same Andersen Consulting who handled Enron's books?

Yes, however it was the audit group that "cooked the books".

13 posted on 06/02/2004 5:48:21 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Toskrin

You, sir, are spot on.


14 posted on 06/02/2004 5:49:17 PM PDT by demsux
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To: psjones

hmm. You're right. My father told me about the deal earlier today, and mentioned the share price increasing. Seems like he was wrong on the latter part.

Oh, well. I just have a tiny ammount as well so it doesn't matter :-)


15 posted on 06/02/2004 5:49:29 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; hchutch; ancient_geezer

Accenture's actual operations are in America. The corporate headquarters are in Bermuda for TAX REASONS.

Quit punishing businesses for hiring Americans and being based in America, and they won't put their headquarters in Bermuda.


16 posted on 06/02/2004 5:51:13 PM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: Poohbah

Holy Shi*, Poohbah and I agree on something.


17 posted on 06/02/2004 5:52:26 PM PDT by demsux
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To: Poohbah

Did you read the Dobb's report? It is not an American corporation. Also, they are a major exporter of American jobs on US soil.


18 posted on 06/02/2004 5:54:35 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING (He is faithful!)
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To: demsux

Is this the same Andersen Consulting who handled Enron's books?

HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....................


19 posted on 06/02/2004 5:59:00 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; hchutch; 1rudeboy; ancient_geezer
Did you read the Dobb's report? It is not an American corporation.

The "Bermuda office" is a mail drop. All of the actual operations are in the United States. It is an American corporation that has been driven "offshore" in the narrowest technical sense because of American tax policy. Why do you not complain about the confiscatory taxes that America levies?

Also, they are a major exporter of American jobs on US soil.

What do they pack the jobs in? Do they use FedEx or DHL to ship the jobs?

You spend your time complaining about where the headquarters mail drop is, and no time complaining about the obscene regulatory and tax burdens placed on corporations that receive all their headquarters mail in the US.

You sound like John F. Kerry on this topic.

20 posted on 06/02/2004 6:00:29 PM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

It is not an American corporation. Also, they are a major exporter of American jobs on US soil.



How many jobs do they have in Bermuda?

How many in the US?


21 posted on 06/02/2004 6:00:51 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Blame Government)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Did you read the Dobb's report? It is not an American corporation. Also, they are a major exporter of American jobs on US soil.

Wrong. Accenture is an American corporation.


22 posted on 06/02/2004 6:01:28 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: WhiteGuy

Anderson Associates--the auditing firm--handled Enron's books. Anderson Consulting was a different branch.


23 posted on 06/02/2004 6:01:56 PM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: Poohbah

It's Andersen.


24 posted on 06/02/2004 6:03:13 PM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Ya, ya, you betcha, shoulda caught the Scandinavian spelling of the name...


25 posted on 06/02/2004 6:04:35 PM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: Poohbah
I guess being outraged is more important than the facts, right?


26 posted on 06/02/2004 6:07:46 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: rdb3

Yup. Facts require thought. Being outraged merely requires one to jerk the knee...


27 posted on 06/02/2004 6:08:53 PM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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To: Poohbah

Different branch huh?

Ok,

Believe whatever you wish.


28 posted on 06/02/2004 6:09:39 PM PDT by WhiteGuy (Congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press...)
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To: demsux
"Is this the same Andersen Consulting who handled Enron's books?. . .Yes, however it was the audit group that "cooked the books"

Accenture was already a separate entity from AA.

29 posted on 06/02/2004 6:09:58 PM PDT by cricket
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To: Poohbah

"Quit punishing businesses for hiring Americans and being based in America, and they won't put their headquarters in Bermuda."

Let them move off shore for tax reasons if they want. They shouldn't get gov't contracts if the do though.


30 posted on 06/02/2004 6:12:32 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Can you say CAFTA?

It was conveniently signed this week.


31 posted on 06/02/2004 6:16:12 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Poohbah
And now, the subject will conveniently shift to something that has nothing whatsoever to do with the article posted.

Watch. They swarm to this like flies to doggie-doo. It's typical.


32 posted on 06/02/2004 6:21:45 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: OneTimeLurker; hchutch; rdb3
Let them move off shore for tax reasons if they want. They shouldn't get gov't contracts if the do though.

The only thing that they have in Bermuda is a mail drop.

The company is otherwise in America.

But if I'm reading you correctly, they should be required, as a precondition of bidding on government contracts with their attendant paperwork, is to pay enough in taxes that they could very well lose money on the privilege.

As it is, most consulting firms call working for the government "pro bono work."

33 posted on 06/02/2004 6:22:48 PM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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I guess being outraged is more important than the facts, right?

Hey that's politics don'cha know? Load an American company down with tax regulations and beat them to death over their foreign profits, then complain when they move they head quarters to where those profits are treated more equitably.

There is a fix for that however, wonder if the complainers will ever catch on?

 

Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee,
Rep. Bill Archer (R-TX) - August 12, 1996

Repeal all income & payroll taxes on American businesses, then charge imports the same retail sales tax as you do domestic products for the first time in nearly one hundred years. Exports go out tax free, imports get hit with the full freight they escape from under the current income/payroll tax system.

34 posted on 06/02/2004 6:25:27 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: rdb3
Watch. They swarm to this like flies to doggie-doo.

What attracted you?

35 posted on 06/02/2004 6:32:25 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: ancient_geezer
Eighty percent of the corporations said they would build their factories in the United States of America. Twenty percent said they would move their international headquarters to the United States of America."

No, we can't have that. You see, if foreign companies relocated their headquarters here, then workers like me who are employed by these foreign companies will be lambasted on this site just for working for the foreign company. Nevermind the facts that this foreign company that I work for has both its R&D and manufacturing base right here in DFW, TX.

They're foreign, you see.


36 posted on 06/02/2004 6:33:19 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: sarcasm
What attracted you?

Your mama, that's who.


37 posted on 06/02/2004 6:34:08 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

We will all be speaking Bermudan and wearing ugly colorful shirts within a generation.

Why don't people get it? First, Clinton sells us out to the Communist Chinese, now Bush is exposing us to the Bermudan Menace.


38 posted on 06/02/2004 6:35:42 PM PDT by shempy (EABOF)
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To: rdb3

Such class.


39 posted on 06/02/2004 6:36:28 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Sounds like a run around govt. red tape and democrats 'over sight'. Maybe even union thugs. It sounds like their safe from leftist 'help', which is okay by me. I notice in the article dems are the only ones screaming about it.


40 posted on 06/02/2004 6:36:53 PM PDT by monkeywrench
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

Companies don't pay taxes. Their customers pay the taxes...


41 posted on 06/02/2004 6:37:30 PM PDT by ItisaReligionofPeace (I'm from the government and I'm here to help.)
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To: sarcasm
Such class.

Don't start nothing, won't be nothing.


42 posted on 06/02/2004 6:39:12 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: rdb3
won't be nothing

Like you?

43 posted on 06/02/2004 6:41:02 PM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: shempy

We will all be speaking Bermudan and wearing ugly colorful shirts within a generation.

"Bermudan Menace", Global Warming?

44 posted on 06/02/2004 6:41:17 PM PDT by ancient_geezer (Equality, the French disease: Everyone is equal beneath the guillotine.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING

read later


45 posted on 06/02/2004 6:43:49 PM PDT by PersonalLiberties (...)
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To: Poohbah
Have you noticed that this site is quickly dividing itself into one camp that goes ape-$hit over headlines, ready to lose their heads at the slightest information, and another camp that spends a lot of time correcting and informing the first group?
46 posted on 06/02/2004 6:47:23 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
Have you noticed that this site is quickly dividing itself into one camp that goes ape-$hit over headlines, ready to lose their heads at the slightest information, and another camp that spends a lot of time correcting and informing the first group?

It's been like that for quite a while.


47 posted on 06/02/2004 6:48:47 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: rdb3
gettin' tedious.

It's like people don't want to read anything not found here. Who doesn't know that Anderson and Accenture have been separate entities for years?

People seem to be waking up and saying "How can I lose my freakin' mind today?" It's the freakin INTERNET; why don't people just use Google before going off?

I mean, DAMN.

48 posted on 06/02/2004 6:53:10 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Pukin Dog
It's an election year. Think about it.


49 posted on 06/02/2004 7:06:11 PM PDT by rdb3 ($710.96... The price of freedom.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
Oh relax already.

It's an American company that changed the name on the address in order to get around tax laws. I say more power to them.

50 posted on 06/02/2004 7:06:25 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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