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Electoral College Breakdown 2004, June 2nd Update
ECB2004 ^ | 6/2/04

Posted on 06/02/2004 7:39:11 PM PDT by Dales

I Wouldn't Touch It With a 10 Foot Poll

Travels

The Presidential campaign has settled down a bit into the post-primary doldrums where certain equilibrium takes hold and rapid swings in public opinion do not happen without the impact of a major news event. Certainly, with the economy recovering, with the nation on constant pins and needles over possible terrorist attacks, and especially with our fighting forces in harm's way in Iraq, such news never seems to be out of the question. Life in 2004 has a feeling of waiting for the other shoe to drop-- a feeling that has worked to keep consumer sentiment low, and to keep the percentage of those who say that things are heading in the right direction muted as well.

But while each camp is waiting to see how events unfold, they are all laying the groundwork for the later stages of the race. Looking at where the campaigns have focused their attention can be instructive.

Since wrapping up the nomination, John Kerry has visited 27 states, both fundraising and campaigning. While there is a good amount of breadth to his interstate travel, there has also been saturation. The state that he has focused on more than any other has been Pennsylvania. Gore carried Pennsylvania by 5 points last time, but the state had been polling well for the President early on. Six different visits later, after March and most of April had melted away, Kerry had closed the gap and possibly even gained the upper hand.

Another state which has been a primary focus of Senator Kerry has been Florida, which he has visited more than any other state except for Pennsylvania, spending five days working the Sunshine state for campaign contributions and making stump speeches. Clearly, Kerry believes that if he can hold Pennsylvania and take Florida, he will be tough to beat. He is right.

Other states which have garnered his attention during the first few months as the de-facto-if-not-yet-official nominee include Massachusetts, Illinois, and California -- three states one must assume were chosen for fundraising purposes-- as well as Oregon and Ohio.

The President has also been around, having visited 24 different states during the same timeframe. Where Senator Kerry has made single or half-day visits to most of those states he has visited (and has made many visits to a small handful of states listed above), the President has spread things out a bit more, with only three states scoring three visits (and none nabbing four) since March 10. Like Kerry, Pennsylvania has been a primary focus. Ohio and Wisconsin are the other two states that have received the most Presidential attention.

Perhaps the most surprising aspect of the President's itinerary so far this campaign season is that he has not visited many of the states getting the most attention from Senator Kerry. Since March, Bush has not spent time in Florida. Considering how confident his campaign had been about Florida in 2000, and considering how badly the Gore campaign outworked them in the state, and considering just how bloody close it was there in 2000, one has to wonder why they have chosen to not counter the early efforts of Kerry in the state. Granted, the polling information so far has not shown that Kerry has gained much for all his attention down there, but this is not the time for such swings but rather for laying the groundwork for what comes later.

Bush has also not spent time in top Kerry states of Illinois, California, and Oregon. As a matter of fact, with the exception of two stops to Colorado, a few trips home to Crawford, Texas, and a brief Arizona stop, the President has spent no time on states west of those right on the Mississippi river. By comparison, Kerry has visited Idaho, Oregon, Washington, California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas. The President has also nosed into New England just barely, stopping by once in New Hampshire. Kerry has tilled the home soil four times, as well as visiting Rhode Island and New Hampshire.

Where Bush so far has not paid much attention to Kerry's Florida effort, Kerry has barely countered Bush's several visits to Wisconsin, making a single evening appearance in the Badger state. Kerry also has not countered the two visits to Iowa that Bush has made, obviously feeling that he has some reserves there after spending so much time in preparation of the Caucuses. And while his campaign has talked about challenging for Colorado, Kerry has yet to go there, even when making a swing to the southwest and west.

The President does have an advantage in that his running mate is already known and also making campaign and fundraising stops. Cheney has made a western swing and he has also hit much of New England. He has made multiple visits to several key states: Ohio, Missouri, and Arkansas. Arkansas and Missouri have seen twice as much of Bush/Cheney then they have seen of Kerry.

Perhaps the strangest state in all of the early jockeying has been Michigan. This is a state that has been polling evenly, has a large electoral bounty for the winner, and was not decided by all that large of a margin in 2000. Despite that, it has only had a single visit from each of Kerry and Bush. This is quite different from all the attention that has been lavished on Ohio and Pennsylvania by both sides. And both campaigns are acting as if they buy into the conventional wisdom about New Jersey (rather than my opinion that the state is vulnerable); Kerry has visited once, while only Cheney has stopped by on the other side, and for just a single appearance at that.


This Week's Polling Updates Overview

The state polling was more kind to the President than it had been in the last few weeks. It has to be a comfort to the President's campaign to see the slide in the rust belt and midwest states either halted or reversed back to parity. These polls should serve each side well. For Bush supporters, they should help prevent any sense of panic from setting in. For Kerry's fans, it should prevent any overconfidence from developing. The race remains tight, but where last week my perception was that Kerry had a slight overall advantage, I believe the President has taken it right back.

The ECB calculated national popular vote stands at Bush 45.1%, Kerry 43.7%. In the Electoral College Breakdown, Bush leads 221 to 168 although the gap closes considerably when the tossup states are factored in, 247-235. When my opinions are factored out completely and just the polls are used (ECB Classic), Kerry has the lead 211-170 (307-231 with tossups) but that is almost entirely due to the questionable Zogby Interactive polls. With them factored out, the ECB Classic would have Bush up 196-178 (297-235 with tossups).

The current battleground status:

State 2000 Result Media Battleground Current Status
Florida Bush +0.01 Yes Tossup
New Mexico Gore +0.06 Yes Tossup
Wisconsin Gore +0.2 Yes Kerry, Slight
Iowa Gore +0.3 Yes Kerry, Slight
Oregon Gore +0.4 Yes Kerry, Slight
New Hampshire Bush +1 Yes Kerry, Slight
Minnesota Gore +2 Yes Kerry, Slight
Ohio Bush +4 Yes Bush, Slight
Nevada Bush +4 Yes Bush, Lean
Pennsylvania Gore +4 Yes Kerry, Slight
Michigan Gore +5 Yes Tossup
Arkansas Bush +5 Yes Bush, Slight
Arizona Bush +6 Yes Bush, Lean
West Virginia Bush +6 Yes Bush, Lean
New Jersey Gore +16 No Kerry, Slight


F Arizona
Electoral Votes: 10
2000 Result
Bush 51%
Gore 45%

Background: Since Harry Truman, only Bill Clinton (during his re-elect) has carried the Grand Canyon State for the Democrats. Clinton also made it close with the help of Perot in 1992. Other than that, things have been surprisingly one-sided. Arizona has 6 of 8 of its Representatives and both of its Senators from the GOP. The GOP also controls both chambers of the state legislature. The top of the executive branch is run by Democrats, with Janet Napolitano being a first term Governor and Terry Goddard being the Attorney General. Most other top executive offices are held by Republicans. Republicans have a 41% to 35% lead in voter registration.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
7/18/03 Behavior Research Center Link 701 Adults 4.3% Bush 55% Unnamed Opponent 41% Bush +14
1/11/04 Behavior Research Center Link 641 Adults 3.9% Bush 50% Highest Ranking Democrat (Dean) 38% Bush +12
2/19/04 SurveyUSA Link RV 4.3% Bush 52% Kerry 44% Bush +8
2/22/04 Arizona State University Link 430 RV 4% Bush 44% Kerry 46% Dem +2
3/18/04 Survey USA Link 634 LV 4.0% Bush 51% Kerry 42% Bush +9
4/26/04 Arizona State University Link 410 RV 5% Bush 41% Kerry 38% Bush +3
5/4/04 Behavior Research Center Link 555 RV, Nader not an option 4% Bush 46% Kerry 42% Bush +4
5/4/04 Behavior Research Center Link 555 RV, Nader an option 4% Bush 45% Kerry 37% Bush +8
5/23/04 Arizona State University Link 377 RV 5% Bush 43% Kerry 38% Bush +5

Punditry: Two straight polls in Arizona have Bush up by a span of the margin of error. The new poll is a small improvement for Bush over the last one by the same polling company. Those facts coupled with how Arizona went in 2000 means that Arizona Leans Toward Bush.


Pennsylvania
Electoral Votes: 21
2000 Result
Gore 51%
Bush 46%

Background: Democrats have won this state 6 of the last 10 elections, with the first of Clinton's wins being attributable to Ross Perot being on the ballot (19%). Typically, the races in the Keystone state have been close. Pennsylvania started as leaning Bush last time, but has drifted to where it has a slight advantage for the Democrats. Republicans hold a 12-7 advantage in the numbers of Representatives, and hold both Senate seats. They also hold both chambers of the state legislature. The Democrats hold the major executive branch positions except for Attorney General, and have a significant registration advantage (48%-42%).

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
5/13/03 Quinnipiac Link 952 RV 3.2% Bush 56% Kerry 34% Bush +22
10/9/03 Quinnipiac Link 1,116 RV 3% Bush 50% Kerry 43% Bush +7
11/23/03 Muhlenberg College Link 430 RV 4.7% Bush 47% Kerry 40% Bush +7
12/14/03 Quinnipiac Link 1,092 RV 3% Bush 50% Kerry 42% Bush +8
2/18/04 Quinnipiac Ling 1,356 RV 2.7% Bush 45% Kerry 50% Dem +5
2/22/04 Keystone Poll Link 392 RV 4.9% Bush 46% Kerry 47% Dem +1
3/?/04 Muhlenberg College Link RV ?% Bush ?% Kerry ?% Push
3/3/04 Pennsylvania Public Mind Link 1750 Adults 2.4% Bush 45% Kerry 47% Kerry +2
3/11/04 Survey USA Link 802 RV 3.5% Bush 47% Kerry 49% Kerry +2
3/15/04 Qunnipiac Link 1,022 RV (Nader not given as an option) 3 Bush 44% Kerry 45% Kerry +1
3/15/04 Qunnipiac Link 1,022 RV (Nader given as an option) 3% Bush 44% Kerry 40% Bush +4
3/16/04 Rasmussen Link 500 LV 4.5% Bush 44% Kerry 45% Kerry +1
3/29/04 Keystone Poll Link 565 RV 4.1% Bush 46% Kerry 40% Bush +6
4/19/04 Quinnipiac Link 769 RV, Nader not an option 3.5% Bush 46% Kerry 42% Bush +4
4/19/04 Quinnipiac Link 769 RV, Nader an option 3.5% Bush 45% Kerry 39% Bush +6
4/25/04 Pew Research Link 867 RV 4% Bush 42% Kerry 42% Push
5/3/04 Bennett, Petts, And Blumenthal (D) Link LV 4% Bush 43% Kerry 49% Kerry +6
5/7/04 Susquehanna Polling (R) Link 650 LV 4% Bush 46% Kerry 44% Bush +2
5/14/04 Muhlenberg College Link 400 RV 5% Bush 43% Kerry 48% Kerry +5
5/24/04 Zogby Interactive* Link LV 3.4% Bush 42.6% Kerry 50.8% Kerry +8.2
5/25/04 Quinnipiac Link 701 LV 4% Bush 41% Kerry 44% Kerry +3
* Zogby Interactive polls involve a self-selected group of respondants, and as such are highly suspect. They are considered extremely little (if at all) within the ECB.

Punditry: The new poll added here is the Susquehanna one-- a partisan poll taken on behalf of the lobbying group Triad Strategies. It provided the yang to Bennett, Petts, And Blumenthal's early May ying. Other than both partisan polls confirming that the race is close, there is not much insight to be gleaned from either. Pennsylvania remains a Slight Advantage for Kerry.


Kentucky
Electoral Votes: 8
2000 Result
Bush 57%
Gore 41%

Background: Johnson, Carter (first time) and Clinton (twice) carried the Bluegrass state. Nixon (twice), Reagan (twice) and both Bushes won here. It is very likely that Clinton would not have carried Kentucky either time if not for Perot. In 1992 Clinton won by three points with Perot capturing 13%, and in 1996 Clinton won by 1% with Perot capturing 9%.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
10/23/03 Associated Press Link LV 4% Bush 47% Unnamed Democrat 29% Bush +18
2/4/04 Courier Journal NA LV 4% Bush 55% Unnamed Democrat 38% Bush +17
2/16/04 Survey USA Link LV 3.8% Bush 57% Kerry 41% Bush +16
5/11/04 Bluegrass Poll Link 811 Adults 3.4% Bush 52% Kerry 40% Bush +12
5/20/04 Garin Hart Yang (D) Link RV 5% Bush 49% Kerry 43% Bush +6

Punditry: This is the same poll that had Sen. Bunning up by 9 points. The Democrats were optimistic going into this campaign season that Bunning might be vulnerable, so to see their candidate trailing him by more than Kerry is trailing Bush has to be disappointing. This poll shows the Presidential race a bit tighter, but as a partisan poll take it with a huge grain of salt. Strong Advantage for Bush.


Louisiana
Electoral Votes: 9
2000 Result
Bush 53%
Gore 45%

Background: Louisiana votes for southerners in Presidential elections. George Wallace won here. Carter beat Ford. Clinton beat Dole. And Clinton beat Bush (with big help from Perot). All others since JFK were won by Republicans.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
11/9/03 JPI Polling Link RV 4% Bush 50% Unnamed Democrat 34% Bush +16
3/29/04 DeVille and Associates and Southern Media & Opinion Research Link 700 RV 3.8% Bush 52% Kerry 38% Bush +14
5/25/04 Multi-Quest Link 400 RV 6% Bush 48% Kerry 29% Bush +19

Punditry: The Multi-Quest poll is not quite a partisan poll, but it is also not quite an independent poll either. Multi-Quest is a polling firm that specializes in market research, especially for the banking industry, and they are not affiliated with the Republican party. However, they have been hired to do polling during this campaign by Senate candidate John Vitter (R), so to that extent their results should be taken with that in mind. Either way, these results are right in line with previous polls, and explains a bit while after initially countering Kerry's ad buy in the state, the Bush campaign has decided to stop spending money on Bayou state advertising. Strong Advantage for Bush.


Iowa
Electoral Votes: 7
2000 Result
Gore 48%
Bush 46%

Background: Iowa is a state of streaks, going 1-5-4 over the last 10. Clinton would likely have lost his first campaign against Bush had Perot not been a factor. The state is generally close, with the only surprisingly large margin coming when Dukakis beat Bush by 10 points.

Iowa rated a slight advantage to Bush in the first ECB of 2000. This time, it rates a slight advantage to the Democrats. Other positions in Iowa are mixed. The Republicans hold 4 of the 5 House seats, and the Senate seats are split. The Republicans control both chambers of the state legislature, but the Democrats hold all major executive offices except for Auditor. Republicans hold a 32% to 29% advantage in registration.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
9/12/03 Des Moines Register Link 803 Adults 3.5% Bush 41% Unnamed Democrat 41% Even
10/30/03 Research 2000 Link LV 4% Bush 46% Unnamed Democrat 47% Dem +1
1/5/04 Research 2000 Link LV 4% Bush 50% Unnamed Democrat 42% Bush +8
2/11/04 Selzer & Co. NA RV 3.4% Bush 42% Kerry 49% Kerry +7
3/23/04 Rasmussen Link 500 LV 4.5% Bush 41% Kerry 51% Kerry +10
4/21/04 American Research Group Link 600 LV 4% Bush 46% Kerry 47% Kerry +1
5/24/04 Zogby Interactive* Link LV 4% Bush 50.1% Kerry 44.9% Bush +5.2
5/25/04 Research 2000 Link 604 LV, Nader not an option 4% Bush 43% Kerry 48% Kerry +5
5/25/04 Research 2000 Link 604 LV, Nader not an option 4% Bush 42% Kerry 46% Kerry +4
5/27/04 SurveyUSA Link 794 LV 4% Bush 45% Kerry 48% Kerry +3
* Zogby Interactive polls involve a self-selected group of respondants, and as such are highly suspect. They are considered extremely little (if at all) within the ECB.

Punditry: What an interesting set of poll results from SurveyUSA. The Bush/Kerry numbers validate the Research2000 numbers (and contradict Zogby's), but in addition to the straight-up horserace question, they also asked about a hypothetical Bush/Cheney vs. Kerry/Vilsack race. When the Iowa governor is on the ticket, the 3 point Kerry lead becomes a 3 point Bush lead. Talk about unexpected! One reason I love SurveyUSA is that they resist the urge to read more into their numbers than would be correct; "Data do not support conclusion that 'Vilsack hurts Kerry'. However, there is no evidence that Vilsack helps Kerry". Absolutely correct, and still surprising.

Iowa remains its Slight Advantage for Kerry.


Montana
Electoral Votes: 3
2000 Result
Bush 58%
Gore 33%

Background: Big Sky will occasionally vote for a Democrat, but generally not for any non-Montana Democrats. For example, the Governor's race may end up being very competitive while the Presidential race is not. Since the Goldwater debacle, only Bill Clinton has won here, during his first campaign, and then only with Ross Perot taking over a quarter of the votes.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
5/16/03 Mason-Dixon Link RV 4% Bush 52% Unnamed Democrat 27% Bush +25
5/26/04 Mason-Dixon Link RV 4% Bush 53% Kerry 33% Bush +20

Punditry: Bush leads in every single county in Montana. Not all the news is good for the Republicans with this poll however, as it looks as if the Democrats are well positioned to pick up a Governor's seat-- Schweitzer leads all possible opponents by amounts ranging from 10% to 20%. But can the Democrats make inroads to capture the Presidential electoral votes? No way. Safe for Bush.


F Illinois
Electoral Votes: 21
2000 Result
Gore 55%
Bush 42%

Background: Before Clinton broke through, Republicans had won six straight Presidential contests in Illinois. But Clinton's win against Bush was not because of Perot; he would have carried it without him in the race. And Gore flat out spanked Bush here.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
6/9/03 Chicago Tribune NA RV 3.8% Bush 38% Unnamed Democrat 36% Bush +2
10/20/03 Chicago Tribune NA 700 RV 3.8% Bush 38% Unnamed Democrat 49% Dem +11
1/9/04 Chicago Tribune Link RV 3.8% Bush 40% Unnamed Democrat 48% Dem +8
3/3/04 Research 2000 Link 500 LV 5% Bush 36% Kerry 54% Kerry +18
3/3/04 Rasmussen Link 1500 LV 3% Bush 39% Kerry 52% Kerry +15
3/13/04 Copley News Service/Mason-Dixon Link 625 LV 4% Bush 39% Kerry 47% Kerry +8
5/12/04 Rasmussen Link 500 LV 4.5% Bush 43% Kerry 48% Kerry +5
5/24/04 Market Shares Corp. Link 600 LV 4% Bush 38% Kerry 54% Kerry +16

Punditry: Although above I have some earlier polls listed as Chicago Tribune, I believe those were also done by Market Shares, so this poll can be compared directly with them. Their earlier polls had Bush trailing badly in Illinois, but this result would be an improvement even on those numbers. Rasmussen's May 12th numbers are looking to me to be a bit of an abberation. Strong for Kerry.

By an 18% margin, Illinois voters favor a complete and immediate cut and run strategy for Iraq. That is going to cause Kerry some problems (especially if Nader is on the ballot) since he has been saying he too would not bail out, but it also suggests how hard a time Jack Ryan will have in holding the Senate seat for the Republicans against the very "progressive" Barack Obama.


F Minnesota
Electoral Votes: 10
2000 Result
Gore 48%
Bush 46%

Background: Nixon (against McGovern) is the only Republican winner since Ike. Reagan (against Carter) and Bush (against Gore) made it close, and it is possible that Dole could have beaten Clinton sans Perot. The Reagan race that was close was notable because it was against the homestate Mondale.

The slight advantage for the Democrats is a step up from the leaning Gore position at the start of ECB 2000. Minnesota's legislative seats are split right down the middle. Half of the Representatives, half of the Senate seats, and one of the state legislative chambers are held by each party. Most of the important executive branch offices are held by Republicans with the exception of Attorney General.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
1/26/04 Mason-Dixon NA LV 4% Bush 41% Kerry 43% Kerry +2
3/25/04 Rasmussen Link 500 LV 4.5% Bush 44% Kerry 47% Kerry +3
4/2/04 Star-Tribune Minnesota Poll Link 562 LV 4.1% Bush 38% Kerry 50% Kerry +12
5/24/04 Zogby Interactive* Link LV 3.4% Bush 42% Kerry 51.3% Kerry +9.3
5/26/04 Mason-Dixon Link 625 LV 4% Bush 41% Kerry 44% Kerry +3
* Zogby Interactive polls involve a self-selected group of respondants, and as such are highly suspect. They are considered extremely little (if at all) within the ECB.

Punditry: Now we are up to four polls in various states since the Zogby Interactive polls came out, and every single one has contradicted the Zogby result by more than the margin of error.

This is essentially no different than the previous Mason-Dixon poll for the land of 10,000 lakes. I will go out on a limb here and make a prediction: the next Star-Tribune poll will be much more like the last Star-Tribune poll than it is to being like this one. The nine point difference is about what I have come to expect from their polling.

Twin Cities pollster Bill Morris said "it's a virtual tie. This state is really in play." I agree. But Mason-Dixon's Brad Coker (who conducted this survey) said it is fair to characterize the result as a "slight lead" for Kerry. That's how I am designating the race- Slight Advantage for Kerry. I'll quibble with Mr. Coker though. It would be more accurate to say that the race is a virtual tie with there being a slightly higher than even chance that Kerry has a very small lead. More accurate, but more wordy.

As for the rest of the poll, it was a pretty boring one. You had your typical gender gap. You had your typical breakdown of Kerry leading in the cities and Bush leading in the suburbs and rural areas. The one thing that is a bit different than most polls I have seen this cycle is that the undecideds are high-- 15% are not saying either Bush or Kerry, and 1/5th of each candidate's supporters say they could change their mind. The only other state that is showing a similar dynamic is New Jersey.


Alabama
Electoral Votes: 9
2000 Result
Bush 56%
Gore 42%

Background: Alabama has been a reliable GOP state, only straying twice since 1960; both times it went for a southerner. Jimmy Carter carried the state, as did George Wallace.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
4/27/03 USA Polling Group Link RV 5% Bush 60% Unnamed Democrat 30 Bush +30
3/18/04 USA Polling Group Link 405 adults 5% Bush 59% Kerry 27% Bush +32
5/3/04 SurveyUSA Link 743 LV 3.7% Bush 55% Kerry 36% Bush +19
5/13/04 USA Polling Group Link 400 Adults 5% Bush 55% Kerry 33% Bush +22
5/20/04 Capital Survey Research Link 785 RV 4% Bush 56% Kerry 37% Bush +19

Punditry: Of course, it would be 19 points. Had it stayed 20+ points I would have less work to do on the ECB Classic (with and without Zog versions). But no. It had to be 19.

That's ok, life is still good.

The thing that really has me puzzled here is the number of public polls that have been conducted this month in Alabama. It seems unusual to me that a state that no one is anticipating is going to be competitive would get so much attention. I am looking to see if there is something I am missing, but until I find something it remains Safe for Bush.


Ohio
Electoral Votes: 20
2000 Result
Bush 50%
Gore 46%

Background: Since Truman, Ohio has gone Democrat three times. Carter edged Ford by an extremely slim margin, and Clinton won twice, both times relying on Perot heavily.

Polling Data:

Date Polling Company Link Type MOE Republican Democrat Margin
2/7/03 Ohio Poll Link RV 4% Bush 59% Unnamed Democrat 36% Bush +23
9/19/03 Ohio Poll Link RV 4% Bush 57% Kerry 38% Bush +19
3/16/04 Rasmussen Link 500 LV 4.5% Bush 41% Kerry 45% Kerry +4
3/24/04 Ohio Poll Link 632 RV 3.9% Bush 44% Kerry 46% Kerry +2
4/2/04 Columbus Dispatch Link 3,344 RV 2% Bush 46% Kerry 45% Bush +1
5/13/04 American Research Group Link 600 LV 4% Bush 42% Kerry 49% Kerry +7
5/24/04 Zogby Interactive* Link LV 4.1% Bush 44.8% Kerry 49.4% Kerry +4.6
5/25/04 Mason-Dixon Link 1500 RV 3% Bush 47% Kerry 41% Bush +6
5/31/04 Rasmussen Link LV 4% Bush 46% Kerry 44% Bush +2
* Zogby Interactive polls involve a self-selected group of respondants, and as such are highly suspect. They are considered extremely little (if at all) within the ECB.

Punditry: Rasmussen's poll, which was conducted over the entire month of May, validates the Mason-Dixon poll which was taken towards the end of May. The race could be tied, or Bush could have a small lead, or another possible reading of this data is that earlier in the month Kerry had an advantage and later in the month Bush did to where overall Bush came out ahead by an amount inside the margin of error. Which read is correct, only time will tell. However, there is nothing here to change the designation away from where it stands, which is Slight Advantage for Bush.


Effective National Popular Results: Bush 45.1%, Kerry 43.7%

Kerry E F Bush
Safe Strong Lean Slight Tossup Slight Lean Strong Safe
DC (3) DE (3) MD (10)
K48-B43
3/24/04
NH (4)
K49-B45
4/26/04
NM (5)
B46-K45
4/1/04
AR (6)
B45-K45
5/2/04
VA (13)
B48-WC33
12/3/03
SC (8)
B52-UD36
7/28/03
AK (3)
HI (4) ME (4)
K51-B38
3/4/04
WA (11)
K46-B41
4/5/04
WI (10)
K50-B42
B50-K38
4/28/04
OR (7)
K50-B47
B44-K39
5/10/04
OH (20)
B46-K44
5/31/04
GA (15)
B47-UD43
2/4/04
MS (6)
B49-UD29
12/22/03
ND (3)
RI (4)
K53-B31
2/7/04
NY (31)
K51-B32
4/22/04
CA (55)
K46-B45
5/6/04
NJ (15)
K46-B43
5/16/04
MI (17)
B44-K40
5/13/04
- NV (5)
B49-K38
3/17/04
KS (6)
B57-K39
3/4/04
NE (5)
MA (12)
K54-B32
4/5/04
CT (7)
K51-B33
4/27/04
- IA (7)
K48-B45
5/27/04
FL (27)
B47-K46
5/19/04
- TN (11)
B52-K41
3/22/04
OK (7)
B53-K34
5/20/04
WY (3)
- VT (3)
K51-B36
5/1/04
- PA (21)
K44-B41
5/25/04
- - MO (11)
B49-K42
3/23/04
SD (3)
B50-K35
5/21/04
ID (4)
B55-K23
3/17/04
- IL (21)
K54-B38
5/24/04
- MN (10)
K44-B41
5/26/04
- - CO (9)
B49-K44
4/14/04
KY (8)
B49-K43
5/20/04
UT (5)
B67-K22
5/10/04
- - - - - - WV (5)
B49-K45
4/29/04
LA (9)
B49-K28
5/25/04
AL (9)
B55-K33
5/13/04
- - - - - - NC (15)
B47-K41
5/14/04
- TX (34)
B58-K29
5/15/04
- - - - - - AZ (10)
B43-K38
5/23/04
- IN (11)
B54-K33
5/19/04
- - - - - - - - MT (3)
B53-K33
5/26/04
Totals
Kerry States Battleground States Bush States

23 69 76 67 56 26 94 47 80

168 149 221

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Last week's quiz:
"How do you know the mafia was there?" What is the answer to this question, what leads up to it, and how did it fit in with an exceptional Presidential race?
So Cal Rocket takes the nod last week, knowing that this is part of a joke that Ronald Reagan told in the run-up to the New Hampshire primary in 1980. The joke was "How can you tell the Polish guy at a cockfight? He's the one with a duck. How can you tell the Italian at the cockfight? He's the one who bets on the duck. How can you know the mafia was there? The duck won." His campaign manager was afraid that he had injured his campaign, fretting "we just lost Connecticut".

This week's quiz: Since 1948, one state has gone every time to the candidate who won the national popular vote. Which?


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The answer is Missouri........do I get a prize?


3 posted on 06/02/2004 7:42:40 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: Dales

Florida is the prize....


4 posted on 06/02/2004 7:44:18 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (John F-ing Kerry??? NO... F-ING... WAY!!!)
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To: Dales

Oregon's a TOSSUP????? HHMMMMMM....


5 posted on 06/02/2004 7:46:14 PM PDT by goodnesswins (Countries around the world are ALIENATING ME...an American!)
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To: Dales

FL


6 posted on 06/02/2004 7:48:03 PM PDT by Slicksadick (He's French. His hairdresser also grooms poodles. He's a rich woman's pet. That cover's it)
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To: JulieRNR21

Incorrect. Missouri went to Bush last time, and Bush did not get the pop. vote.


7 posted on 06/02/2004 7:48:23 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Third parties serve only to kill what they claim to promote and promote what they claim to oppose.)
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To: Dales
I think your breakdown is a little optimistic. But I hope your right.
8 posted on 06/02/2004 7:48:58 PM PDT by COURAGE
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To: Dales

I think this is going to go right down to the wire.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 7:49:43 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: Dales

My guess would be Oregon.


10 posted on 06/02/2004 7:49:56 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Third parties serve only to kill what they claim to promote and promote what they claim to oppose.)
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To: Dales

Quiz answer - New Mexico?


11 posted on 06/02/2004 7:51:13 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: COURAGE

The polls say what the polls say. There are not many places where I have interjected over what the polls say, and when I have I have gone against Bush as often, if not more, than I have gone in his direction.


12 posted on 06/02/2004 7:52:56 PM PDT by Dales
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To: Dales

The answer is Delaware.


13 posted on 06/02/2004 7:56:34 PM PDT by writmeister
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To: Dales

Quiz answer: Puerto Rico?


14 posted on 06/02/2004 7:56:37 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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To: Dales; commish; blam
The extra polling attention in Alabama was probably due to our ousted State Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore.

He put 4 of his aides onto our Primary ballot, dividing Conservative opinion greatly (conservatives are upset that an unelected federal judge removed Justice Moore, and they are upset that several Republicans followed the law in the process).

But as of yesterday, Moore is no longer a factor. President Bush won the Republican primary here yesterday, so even the most radical of Moore supporters can't hope to become Moore delegates to the Republican convention in NYC this year. Only 1 of Moore's aides won their primary races...Parker beat Jean Brown, a Republican Justice who voted to send Moore to a judicial review.

This will pacify 90% of Moore's supporters. They'll now concentrate on getting their Republican Justice to beat their Democratic state supreme court competition...putting everyone back inside the Big Tent again.

Life is good.

As such, interest will now wane from Washington, D.C. about a potential split among Conservatives in Alabama.

Or put another way, I doubt that you see so much polling activity here anytime soon.

15 posted on 06/02/2004 7:56:48 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Dales
This week's quiz: Since 1948, one state has gone every time to the candidate who won the national popular vote. Which?

Oh, how quickly it seems the classic swing state national barometer of Delaware has been forgotten! Speaking of which, where's the Bush/Kerry Delaware polls this year?!?

16 posted on 06/02/2004 7:59:14 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper; Dales

OOPS....I thought it was the electoral vote.....that is Missouri....I think.


17 posted on 06/02/2004 8:01:22 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: Dales

States in most dire need of Bush/Kerry match-up polling:

#1 Virginia
#2 Delaware
#3 Georgia


18 posted on 06/02/2004 8:01:29 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Dales

Quiz Answer: California


19 posted on 06/02/2004 8:03:03 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Dales
I've always felt that the Minneapolis Star-Tribune's polling isn't inept, it's intentionally fraudulent.

Meanwhile, there's serious grass-roots disaffection among the outstate DFL, in Minnesota. And as I've said, the MNGOP has been engaged in a precinct-level organizing for the last three years that's unprecedented.

I truly don't think the DFL is going to win, here. If this was a state where the sort of systemic fraud you see in some states was accepted, perhaps. But the election judges are old-time Humphrey Democrats, mostly, and they simply won't put up with it.

20 posted on 06/02/2004 8:04:32 PM PDT by jdege
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To: AntiGuv

Winner!


21 posted on 06/02/2004 8:05:17 PM PDT by Dales
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To: writmeister

Actually, you were first!


22 posted on 06/02/2004 8:05:47 PM PDT by Dales
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To: AntiGuv; Dales
Opps! I meant the national bellwether of Delaware - though barometer works well enough too. Got a wire crossed for a moment there!
23 posted on 06/02/2004 8:07:09 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Dales
Not only is your statistical work excellent, you also write clear, lucid prose. You ought to be making a living for your meta-analysis. Do you have any clue why Rasmussen is off the reservation?

Congressman Billybob

Latest Article, "Why Bush's War College Speech Fell Flat"

24 posted on 06/02/2004 8:08:41 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Southack
"I doubt that you see so much polling activity here anytime soon."

Nah. We're a 'shoo-in' for Bush. Although, one Alabama county gave the highest % of the vote for Algore than any other county in the USA. It was in the Black Belt. Tuskegee area, I believe.

25 posted on 06/02/2004 8:08:48 PM PDT by blam
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To: Dales

I must say, it looks better than it did a couple of weeks ago.

As Ronnie Van Zant said," Turn it up!"


26 posted on 06/02/2004 8:09:43 PM PDT by rewrite
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To: Dales
Excuse me, I said Rasmussen in my post to you. Should have said Zogby. In answer to your question about the excess polling in Alabama, folks were probably trying to measure the coattails of former Chief Judge Moore -- he had followers in several races in the primaries.

John / Billybob

27 posted on 06/02/2004 8:11:57 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Dales
Rasmussen's poll, which was conducted over the entire month of May, validates the Mason-Dixon poll which was taken towards the end of May. The race could be tied, or Bush could have a small lead, or another possible reading of this data is that earlier in the month Kerry had an advantage and later in the month Bush did to where overall Bush came out ahead by an amount inside the margin of error. Which read is correct, only time will tell. However, there is nothing here to change the designation away from where it stands, which is Slight Advantage for Bush.

Actually, wasn't Ohio in Kerry's column last week? I think it was, so this is a shift back to Bush.

And a welcome one.

28 posted on 06/02/2004 8:12:16 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: blam

Macon County Alabama was Algore's #1 county!

Followed by the Bronx, Shannon County SD (Indian reservation), Washington DC, and Baltimore.


29 posted on 06/02/2004 8:12:23 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Dales

Rasmussen is reporting a 49-41 Kerry lead in California and a 55-38 Bush lead here in Texas. Looks like another poll is coming out today, too.


30 posted on 06/02/2004 8:12:29 PM PDT by WinOne4TheGipper (Third parties serve only to kill what they claim to promote and promote what they claim to oppose.)
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To: Dales

Post 13 beat post 16!


31 posted on 06/02/2004 8:15:20 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
In any case, it looks like the difference between today and a month ago is that OH went from Tossup to Bush, PA went from Bush to Kerry, and it still looks like Bush wins his column plus FL, and wins it all.

Bush is starting to trend up. MN is in play. Iowa is in play. NM and OR, PA and MI are all in play.

32 posted on 06/02/2004 8:16:20 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: JulieRNR21

The difference between involvement and commitment is like an eggs-and-ham breakfast: the chicken was involved - the pig was committed. - unknown


I wanted to use it as my tagline but it was tooooo long!


33 posted on 06/02/2004 8:17:11 PM PDT by mlmr (Tag-less - Tag-free, anti-tag, in-tag-able, without tag, under-tagged, tag-deprived...)
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To: Alas Babylon!; Dales; writmeister
Post 13 beat post 16!

Only because the wording threw me off for a few minutes! Thomas Dewey won Delaware in 1948 and I thought that year was meant to be included at first.. =)

34 posted on 06/02/2004 8:19:36 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: mlmr

That would be a good tagline.

I've used the same tagline ever since the day we got one!

I'm superstitious & I don't want to change it until after the election!


35 posted on 06/02/2004 8:27:04 PM PDT by JulieRNR21 (One good term deserves another! Take W-04....Across America!)
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To: AntiGuv
I wonder what the highest % for Gore for cities?

My guess would be Detroit for Larger Cities(100,000+) - 93.88% - I know it beats out even Baltimore and Chicago.

Small Cities - Benton Harbor, MI(Known for Riots) - 96.47%

36 posted on 06/02/2004 8:27:19 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Hmm.. I dunno for sure but Detroit's a very good guess!


37 posted on 06/02/2004 8:36:31 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: Dales

Aren't the dems supposed to be blue? (Iowa likes to fit in with the popular group!)


38 posted on 06/02/2004 8:49:35 PM PDT by TaxRelief (Keep your kids safe; keep W in the White House.)
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To: Dales

I have been quite pleased to see the Ohio polling data turn around. I think that is the big story of the week.


39 posted on 06/02/2004 9:01:23 PM PDT by JLS
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To: TaxRelief
Aren't the dems supposed to be blue?

No, traditionally the conservatives are the blue team, the color of loyalty, truth, wisdom, faithfulness. Red is the traditional color of leftism, the workers party rising up and drawing blood from the rich, the Nazis, Chinese and USSR communists, socialists. The leftist media hijacked our blue a few years ago because they saw it to their advantage to hide behind our color. But red is more appropriate for indicating our current level of socialist occupation.

40 posted on 06/02/2004 9:02:34 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: JLS

The answer is Ohio!


41 posted on 06/02/2004 9:24:28 PM PDT by 23prolog (Pro-Military/Pro-Bush Rally at the AFA on Wednesday)
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To: Reeses

Right you are!

Let the leftists keep the color red.


42 posted on 06/02/2004 9:44:15 PM PDT by WOSG (Peace through Victory! Iraq victory, W victory, American victory!)
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To: Reeses; TaxRelief; WOSG
Aren't the dems supposed to be blue?

Actually, since the TV networks started airing election results, the tradition had been that the incumbent party got Blue and the challenging party got Red. From 1972 to 1992 the Dems got Blue only one time - in 1980 for Jimmy Carter's reelection effort. Then, Clinton got Blue in 1996 and Gore inherited that for 2000. If the old convention were followed, GWB would get Blue back for the 2004 reelection campaign.

However, it seems that everyone has been so fixated on the 2000 election Red/Blue map because it was so apt toward representing the razor-thin electoral divide that I think the GOP has got stuck with Red now due to that happenstance.. No one talked about "Red States" and "Blue States" before that but now it's been all but forgotten what it used to mean (just like Delaware's bellwether tradition has been ignored).

43 posted on 06/02/2004 9:53:35 PM PDT by AntiGuv (When the countdown hits zero - something's gonna happen..)
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To: AntiGuv
happenstance

According to Sigmund Freud, there are no accidents.

The leftist media makes up the rules as they go along. In the beginning the socialists were always given red. Then the reds noticed this was not to their political advantage and made up the incumbent rule. Now they change the rules to hide behind our blue permanently. We should not play along. Maybe Fox News can be convinced to give us back our blue.

If you look up common color meanings, blue fits conservative values, and red fits the adulterous, lying, angry, jealous leftists.

44 posted on 06/02/2004 10:22:17 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Dales

A Monte Carlo based on the %s in the table gives Bush an 88% to 12% chance of winning. Expected total is 311 to 227,

Caveats: I copied the table wrong (likely); the program is wrong (no); the numbers in the table aren't stable (likely); my assumptions are wrong (possibly, I assume independence of states).

I ignored the undecided and arbitrarily took a 4% MOE.


45 posted on 06/02/2004 10:32:21 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Where can you find data for individual cities? Is there an easier way than looking up the election results on the Department of State web sites for cities in each of the individual states?


46 posted on 06/02/2004 10:45:27 PM PDT by Nathaniel Fischer (FairTax Fan)
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To: Dales

Thanks and bump!


47 posted on 06/02/2004 10:47:18 PM PDT by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
I got all my info from the Sec of State sites.
48 posted on 06/02/2004 10:48:34 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("Today we did what we had to do. They counted on America being passive. They were wrong.” - Reagan)
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To: Dan from Michigan

Thanks; I guess I'd better get working, then.


49 posted on 06/02/2004 11:07:40 PM PDT by Nathaniel Fischer (FairTax Fan)
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To: Congressman Billybob

Off what reservation? His polls do not seem to be that out of line with others. For a while some of his state polls have favored Kerry by a point or two more than many other polls, but nothing that strikes me as being over the top (unlike Zogby).


50 posted on 06/03/2004 3:25:27 AM PDT by Dales
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