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Bush to Give Pope Presidential Medal of Freedom
Reuters ^ | June 3, 2004 | Rome Staff

Posted on 06/03/2004 11:25:25 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

President Bush will award Pope John Paul the Presidential Medal of Freedom Friday, the highest U.S. civilian award, a U.S. official said Thursday.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the pontiff was being honored for "years of fighting for freedom and for his important moral voice."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicbasher; catholicbashers; catholiclist; johnpaul; johnpaulii; medaloffreedom; pope; popebasher; popebashers; popejohnpaul; popejohnpaulii; vaticanvisit
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Viva il Papa, moral voice of the World! God bless President Bush! God bless America!

Jesus forive us and our nation for our crimes against the unborn.

1 posted on 06/03/2004 11:25:26 AM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Notwithstanding

Now THIS is good news!


2 posted on 06/03/2004 11:27:56 AM PDT by RexBeach (Before God makes you greedy, he makes you stupid.)
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To: Notwithstanding
Well, I'll be... and people say Bush isn't intelligent!
3 posted on 06/03/2004 11:30:10 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: Notwithstanding

And this is suppose to do what?


4 posted on 06/03/2004 11:30:29 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Notwithstanding
Other PMOF winners

Looking at the recipients, it seems the MOF recipients reflect more on the person doing the giving than the person doing the receiving.

5 posted on 06/03/2004 11:33:12 AM PDT by CanisMajor2002 (“My religious beliefs don’t allow me to be scared.” -- SPC Antrone Vaughn)
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To: Notwithstanding
Might this bring in more Catholic votes?
6 posted on 06/03/2004 11:33:59 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Notwithstanding

The Pope gets a Medal of Freedom for being one of the most vocal opponents of the Iraq war?


7 posted on 06/03/2004 11:34:15 AM PDT by anonymous_user (Telling the truth means you never have to change your story.)
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To: Notwithstanding
Bush to Give Pope Presidential Medal of Freedom

After which the Pope will go into an anti-American rant, lambasting Bush for all the evils of the world. You heard it here first.

8 posted on 06/03/2004 11:34:59 AM PDT by kevao
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To: lilylangtree

Gives the meeting take on an entirely different diplomatic aura.


9 posted on 06/03/2004 11:35:49 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: Notwithstanding

The Pope deserves accolades for his efforts against communism. He is a heroic figure in that regard. IMHO, he is not as forceful as he should be with islam. Perhaps, and I hope, the cardinals will select a vigorous opponent of islam as the next pontiff.


10 posted on 06/03/2004 11:35:59 AM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: No Blue States

I doubt it will have any affect of Catholic voters


12 posted on 06/03/2004 11:36:21 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: kevao

(rolls eyes) It had to be someone...


14 posted on 06/03/2004 11:39:02 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Notwithstanding

Bush Bump!


15 posted on 06/03/2004 11:40:23 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Notwithstanding

The Pope isn't an American. Why should he get it?


16 posted on 06/03/2004 11:40:30 AM PDT by pctech
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To: Notwithstanding

Will Billy Graham and Pat Robertson get one too?


17 posted on 06/03/2004 11:41:03 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Notwithstanding; *Catholic_list; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; ...
Catholic Discussion Ping!

Please notify me via FReepmail if you would like to be added to or taken off the Catholic Discussion Ping List.

18 posted on 06/03/2004 11:41:23 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Notwithstanding

Pope John Paul II bump to the top!


19 posted on 06/03/2004 11:42:38 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Matthew Paul

POPE PIUS XII

20 posted on 06/03/2004 11:42:42 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: anonymous_user
The Pope gets a Medal of Freedom for being one of the most vocal opponents of the Iraq war?

I don't quite understand this either, but all in all, this Pope is a pretty terrific guy.
22 posted on 06/03/2004 11:43:58 AM PDT by zencat (Visit my profile for MAGNETIC Bush/Cheney '04 bumper stickers!)
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To: pctech

He's not the first pope to get one.


23 posted on 06/03/2004 11:44:05 AM PDT by RexBeach (Before God makes you greedy, he makes you stupid.)
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To: pctech

Other non-citizens have received it.


24 posted on 06/03/2004 11:44:10 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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To: Matthew Paul

ST. PIUS X

25 posted on 06/03/2004 11:45:19 AM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: No Blue States
Catholics & Voting
26 posted on 06/03/2004 11:45:21 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Notwithstanding
Bush is giving this award to JP II for freeing the people of Poland and reducing Communism without ever hiting Russia with a bomb, an invasion and an occupation.

Bush is saying If I had listened to you instead of Chalabi I would be better off.

27 posted on 06/03/2004 11:46:24 AM PDT by ex-snook (Islam's WMD is our war against the birth of children.)
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To: zencat

The Pope was a vocal opponent to war. He had serious doubts about the Liberation of Iraq [he thought the UN should have been given more time] but has held strong positive views on the overthrow of terrorism. He now is a full supporter of the international community supporting Iraq and that we must have forces in Iraq until they can stand on their own feet.


29 posted on 06/03/2004 11:48:08 AM PDT by gilliam
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To: gilliam

See #26


30 posted on 06/03/2004 11:48:19 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Matthew Paul

Amen to your prayer!


31 posted on 06/03/2004 11:49:32 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: anonymous_user
The Pope gets a Medal of Freedom for being one of the most vocal opponents of the Iraq war?

Mrs. Bat - an extremely devout Catholic - says she'll leave the church if Il Papa rebukes Bush during his visit.

32 posted on 06/03/2004 11:53:45 AM PDT by ErnBatavia (Democrats assume Republicans lie as much as they do.)
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To: anonymous_user
The Pope gets a Medal of Freedom for being one of the most vocal opponents of the Iraq war? no, probably for his part in helping bring down communism
33 posted on 06/03/2004 11:54:04 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: pctech
The Pope isn't an American. but he is named after the Beatles
34 posted on 06/03/2004 11:55:07 AM PDT by SF Republican
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To: Pyro7480

The Pope calls the war in Iraq a "crime against peace," and now you want to honor him with a Presidential Medal of Freedom?


35 posted on 06/03/2004 11:55:21 AM PDT by kevao
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To: Notwithstanding

These days, I chalk up most of his messages as being the work of others since PJPII is losing his faculties, so take them with a grain of salt.

Heck, his work in support of Reagan admin efforts to support Solidarity in Poland are enough to warrant this award. That's good enough for me.


36 posted on 06/03/2004 11:56:22 AM PDT by LincolnLover ("Madam, I'm Adam")
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To: JesseHousman

You ARE sedevacantist, aren't you?


37 posted on 06/03/2004 11:57:00 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: Notwithstanding

WOW!!! God Bless the Pope and George Bush!!!


38 posted on 06/03/2004 11:58:21 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Democrats = the hamster is dead but the wheel is still spinning)
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To: kevao

Was those his words, or some wacko cardinal? Also, Bush respects the man for his contribution to the end of the Evil Empire in the 1980s.


39 posted on 06/03/2004 11:58:28 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Sub tuum praesidium confugimus, sancta Dei Genitrix.... sed a periculis cunctis libera nos semper...)
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The Pope calls the war in Iraq a "crime against peace," and now you want to honor him with a Presidential Medal of Freedom?

Yep. He deserves it.

Popes stand for peace.

Sometimes, they're wrong.

40 posted on 06/03/2004 11:59:29 AM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: kevao

Exactly...sucking up ain't gonna help.

OTOH, he shows that he is bigger than ever, even tho the Pope blasted him, he still reaches out.

In other times I would applaude this act. But this year? If the media gives it any play at all it will be to cynically spit on the gesture.


41 posted on 06/03/2004 12:01:34 PM PDT by Adder (Can we bring back stoning again? Please?)
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To: SF Republican

LOL!

How about St. John and St. Paul? And I mean biblical not beattles.


42 posted on 06/03/2004 12:04:45 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: sinkspur

I wondered the same thing!


44 posted on 06/03/2004 12:05:27 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Pyro7480

It was Archbishop Renato Raffaele Martino, the head of the Vatican's Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, speaking on behalf of the Vatican AND the Pope.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/867853/posts



45 posted on 06/03/2004 12:07:14 PM PDT by kevao
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To: Matthew Paul

And thanks for those pictures!


46 posted on 06/03/2004 12:07:34 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

I bet the wires start to pick this up and the hourly newscasts start reporting this near the top of the hour.

Too bad this was bumped out of breaking news by the mods.

President gives the highest honor he can bestow upon his most vocal critic in the war's build up - during an election year when the Catholic vote is majorly in play - and this is not treated as breaking news.

Amazing.


47 posted on 06/03/2004 12:13:04 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: kevao
After which the Pope will go into an anti-American rant, lambasting Bush for all the evils of the world. You heard it here first.

The first of many Pope-bashing comments on this thread, I'm sure.

The amount of hatred spewed toward that good man on this board is sickening.

48 posted on 06/03/2004 12:14:44 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (The truth is like sunlight -- people used to think it was good for you)
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To: Notwithstanding

Papa rules!
In fact this is strange message!
Papa is against war, it is obviously that pope must be against war because he is pope! :)


49 posted on 06/03/2004 12:16:46 PM PDT by Lukasz (Hey don't look for my horrible mistakes, I'm learning English here!)
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To: sinkspur
Am I?

Pope Paul VI abandoned the wearing of the papal crown thereby showing that he was not a valid pope. The decision of Pope John Paul I to abandon the Papal Coronation altogether is seen by some in a similar light. Pope John XXIII joined the Freemasons in 1935, an act that would have earned automatic excommunication and so made him ineligible for the papacy. Others have noted that Pope John Paul II declined to take the traditional papal oath and so was not a valid pope.

I am a practicing Catholic who validly receives Holy Communion, but I've considered all (and more) of the information that is freely available to all and admit that I am in doubt when confronted by what attempts to pass as doctrinal and/or instructional from Rome since Vatican II.

50 posted on 06/03/2004 12:17:23 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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