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Liberal Democrats, not "neo-cons" trying to bring back "draft"
Congress.org ^ | 6-03-04

Posted on 06/03/2004 11:32:35 AM PDT by jmstein7

Republicans introduce bill to repeal Selective Service System, permanently end draft.

Many of the action items [on Congress.Org's SoapBox] seem to revolve around the rumored return of "the draft", apparently at the behest of a secret Bush administration effort, or the "warhawks", as another soapbox poster put it.

In truth, the pair of Universal National Service Act bills, S.89 and H.R.163, have been introduced and sponsored by liberal Democrats. S.89 is sponsored by Sen. Fritz Hollings (D-SC), while the companion H.R.163 was introduced by Congressional Black Caucus cofounder and Harlem representative Charlie Rangel (D-NY), along with 14 other Democrats that read like a Who's Who of the Left in Congress:

D Rep Abercrombie, Neil - 1/7/2003 [HI-1] D Rep Brown, Corrine - 1/28/2003 [FL-3] D Rep Christensen, Donna M. - 5/19/2004 [VI] D Rep Clay, Wm. Lacy - 1/28/2003 [MO-1] D Rep Conyers, John, Jr. - 1/7/2003 [MI-14] D Rep Cummings, Elijah E. - 1/28/2003 [MD-7] D Rep Hastings, Alcee L. - 1/28/2003 [FL-23] D Rep Jackson-Lee, Sheila - 1/28/2003 [TX-18] D Rep Lewis, John - 1/7/2003 [GA-5] D Rep McDermott, Jim - 1/7/2003 [WA-7] D Rep Moran, James P. - 1/28/2003 [VA-8] D Rep Norton, Eleanor Holmes - 1/28/2003 [DC] D Rep Stark, Fortney Pete - 1/7/2003 [CA-13] D Rep Velazquez, Nydia M. - 1/28/2003 [NY-12]

The details of these bills are here:

H.R.163 | Text | Cosponsors

S.89 | Text

By contrast, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) has introduced a bill, H.R.487, to repeal the Military Selective Service Act, permanently ending the draft. Cosponsors include two other Republicans and five Democrats.

Details:

H.R.487 | Text | Cosponsors

D Rep Boucher, Rick - 2/12/2003 [VA-9] D Rep DeFazio, Peter A. - 1/29/2003 [OR-4] R Rep Foley, Mark - 3/6/2003 [FL-16] D Rep Frank, Barney - 1/29/2003 [MA-4] D Rep Nadler, Jerrold - 2/7/2003 [NY-8] D Rep Owens, Major R. - 2/11/2003 [NY-11] R Rep Rohrabacher, Dana - 6/23/2003 [CA-46]

I'm really surprised reading through all of the other soapbox posts and letters that, from the tone of the messages, everyone seems to assume it's Bush or the "neo-cons" behind some kind of effort to reinstate "the draft", when in reality it's all liberal Democrats that have introduced and sponsored the bills, while almost all Republicans OPPOSE forced service, whether it be civil or military.

This is indeed an important issue, but when writing your representatives in Congress and/or the President, keep in mind who is actually supporting these bills. Hint: it's not Bush and the "warhawks"...

I hope this information is found useful.

Contact: das@doit.wisc.edu


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1 posted on 06/03/2004 11:32:37 AM PDT by jmstein7
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To: jmstein7

Have forwarded this to all in my email address book. Thanks.


2 posted on 06/03/2004 11:39:31 AM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: jmstein7

I'd love to see the Dems put it in their party platform.


3 posted on 06/03/2004 11:41:15 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: jmstein7

The snide comments and sneers from self-righteous libertarian paleo-FReepers shall commence in five... four... three... two... one.


4 posted on 06/03/2004 11:51:24 AM PDT by Old Sarge
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To: jmstein7
The dems are doing this cause they want rich white kids to be in the service. We may get the draft back, but I bet a nickle to your dollar not one rich white kid will go into the military unless they want to.

A good portion of our military are liberals who were just trying to go to college. They loved it when the government gave them their monthly checks, but not so loving it now

Ask Bev Harris, it was OK for her step son to join the military when he was getting money from them, now that it is pay back time the poor dear is all upset. William Pitt (talk about a name that fits the person) is writing up all kinds of cruel things that is happening to her poor baby.

all is fair in love and war and Bev Harris now knows you cant take unless you give. I feel no pity for them. I do feel for the guys who enlisted in the service full time. They are our fighters, They are our heroes. Not Bev's step kid he just wanted money
5 posted on 06/03/2004 11:51:25 AM PDT by hapy
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To: jmstein7

NO!!! It's the evil Joooo loving Neocons and their Anti-Drug warriors who are trying to institute the draft so they can kill all of our White Anglo saxon gentiles and give zionism a stronger hold on the tyrannical US government. /Loserdopian Perspective


6 posted on 06/03/2004 12:00:50 PM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps")
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To: jmstein7

The liberals want to reinstate the draft in order to make the military weak and ineffective and filled with malcontents, dopeheads, losers, and liberals. They are only calling for a larger military because they don't believe that there are enough volunteers to fill the quotas but they forget that the all volunteer military was MUCH larger in the 1980's.


7 posted on 06/03/2004 12:01:35 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: hapy

Wake up, people. This is an organized effort by the Democrats to spread the false rumor that PRESIDENT BUSH wants to reinstitute the draft. It is aimed at scaring soccer moms with sons, teenagers, and first time voters this year. They are starting rumors all over the country on blogs, message boards frequented by women, and on college campuses. It is going around in emails. Of course they never bother to mention that the two bills have been introduced by Democrats - most people are too stupid and gullible to check it out themselves. They are telling people that "bills have already been introduced in Congress to reinstitute the draft and Bush is going to sign them as soon as he is reelected." I have heard this rumor directly from three women I know and from a man who heard it from his wife.


8 posted on 06/03/2004 12:02:47 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Al Gore is Chief Loser))
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To: hapy

Most people who join the military do it for parallel reasons, to learn a trade and/or to get an education (or money for an education) and because they believe that it is an honorable thing to do. The vast majority of them (as witnessed by the very, very few desertions) are fulfilling their obligation with honor even if it means putting their lives in danger.


9 posted on 06/03/2004 12:06:24 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

Then we must let them know who is behind this. Be vocal, scream like the liberals scream.

The military population is equal to our country's population. Look at the dead, how many of them are black?


10 posted on 06/03/2004 12:09:12 PM PDT by hapy
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To: Dems_R_Losers
If you can get ahold of one of those emails claiming that "Bush wants to institute the draft!" (you know, the ones with a gajillion names in the "To" block and even more in the body where it has been forwarded 50 times), hit the "Reply to all" and put the corrected information with a link to the Thomas sight and send it to all of them at once.
11 posted on 06/03/2004 12:10:41 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: jmstein7
Good grief...they are just now getting around to refuting those charges? From a previous post of mine...

What is funny is that the anti-war left is now wringing their hands over two proposals in Congress concerning the draft. Only one problem...actually two...

There are only two "draft" proposals in the works in Congress according to Thomas Legislation, S89 and HR163. Both are for drafting those between 18 and 26 to serve a period of 2 years, barring exemptions for high school students and hardship/disability. Conscientious objectors can be exempt from combat duty. HR163 was submitted by Charles Rangel...a DEMOCRAT! S89 is was submitted by Senator Fritz Hollings...another DEMOCRAT!

58 posted on 05/24/2004 9:46:10 AM PDT by ravingnutter

12 posted on 06/03/2004 12:14:13 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: jmstein7
Chickenhawks don't want to bring back the draft because they might get caught in it.

Chickenhawks prefer to draft the current volunteers: "The Army announced Wednesday that it would require all soldiers bound for Iraq and Afghanistan to extend their active duty at least until their units have returned home from duty there, a move that could keep thousands of troops in the service for months longer than they expected over the next several years,"

13 posted on 06/03/2004 12:18:22 PM PDT by ex-snook (Islam's WMD is our war against the birth of children.)
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To: hapy

Actually there are some things happening in Iraq that are little known. These liberal raised kids facing war and possible death are accepting Jesus by hundreds. They were baptizing them in Euphrates river (too dangerous and unsanitary), so they moved the baptizms to one of Sadaams former palaces with a pool.
I can't wait for them to come home to US and become republicans, thereby inciting their parents. It is a revival over there that is not being publicized by media either. God bless America.


15 posted on 06/03/2004 12:28:53 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: jmstein7
[ Liberal Democrats, not "neo-cons" trying to bring back "draft" ]

Neo-cons are liberals, Ex-liberals. You can remove the liberal from their slavery. But its hard to remove the slavery from the liberal. i.e. neocons.

16 posted on 06/03/2004 1:16:22 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Dems_R_Losers

I already started a thread on the draft hoax being perpetrated by the Dems. If you go here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1137275/posts

you can see the scare e-mail they are sending out. The woman who purported to forward it to me and everyone else at my company said she was horrified at the Bush administration's attempt to draft her son and others . . . .

Fortunately, I and another person here picked up quickly what was going on, and independently sent out follow up e-mails explaining that this story wasn't true, and in fact it is Democrats who introduced the draft bills.


17 posted on 06/03/2004 4:01:39 PM PDT by kaehurowing
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To: Blood of Tyrants
The liberals want to reinstate the draft in order to make the military weak and ineffective and filled with malcontents, dopeheads, losers, and liberals

I don't think so. I think they want to bring back the draft in the hopes it will energize anti-war protests. They are dreaming of their own glory days from the '60s.

19 posted on 06/03/2004 6:19:09 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: ravingnutter
There are only two "draft" proposals in the works in Congress according to Thomas Legislation, S89 and HR163.

"Only two"? What difference does it make - it is enough that one passes.

Some quotes from text of H. R. 163:

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.
[...]
(a) GENERAL RULE- Except as otherwise provided in this section, the period of national service performed by a person under this Act shall be two years.
[...]
SEC. 10. REGISTRATION OF FEMALES UNDER THE MILITARY SELECTIVE SERVICE ACT.

(a) REGISTRATION REQUIRED- Section 3(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. 453(a)) is amended--

(1) by striking `male' both places it appears;

(2) by inserting `or herself' after `himself'; and

(3) by striking `he' and inserting `the person'.

(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 16(a) of the Military Selective Service Act (50 U.S.C. App. 466(a)) is amended by striking `men' and inserting `persons'.

20 posted on 06/03/2004 6:33:26 PM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Dems_R_Losers
You got it right....

I work at a public school and there are two young men who go to CSUN (Cal State Northrige). One of them (19) wears a shirt that says "It Effects Me" (that was given to him), so when you ask "What effects you" he says "Haven't you heard of the program Bush is putting into action?".... "You haven't?"... "Well, his administration is trying to sneak in the draft without anyone knowing"...

Blah, blah, blah.... I have emailed them tons of info regarding the bills and info on the cosponsors...and article's on the quotas being filled and how reenlistment is UP...

But, they believe their professors... and don't want to hear the truth... I even bought the book by Ben Shapiro "Brainwashed" for one of them.

In one conversation earlier in the year, one of them couldn't tell me what party the President belonged to or Kerry even...

The professors are not teaching these kids how to be informed or research just open thier mind and soak it all in..
21 posted on 06/03/2004 7:18:50 PM PDT by bellas_sister (" Senator, do you know there's a girl found dead in your car?")
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To: GATOR NAVY

Yes, but they want the protests to come from within also.


22 posted on 06/04/2004 5:41:22 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: jmstein7
Liberals figure if they can reinstall the draft they blame it on Bush, reignite the college campuses and deju vu their favorite part of history all over again by turning Iraq and the WOT into another "Vietnam".

They are the Fifth Column of the Islamics.

23 posted on 06/04/2004 6:19:58 AM PDT by Gritty ("Kill off the Goddamned cowards and we will have a nation of brave men"-Gen George Patton)
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To: A. Pole

My point was that the Democrats are the ones submitting the bills but the media is pointing the finger at Bush, saying he wants to reinstate the draft, when it is clearly not true.


24 posted on 06/04/2004 7:07:34 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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