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CNN: Bill Clinton VP Contender (What Constitution?)
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Posted on 06/04/2004 12:33:41 PM PDT by Republican Red

On CNN's website, Bill Clinton is listed as a VP Contender with the ending sentence in his credentials as follows:

CNN:
While federal law prohibits a person from seeking a third presidential term, the Constitution does not specify whether or not a former commander in chief can become vice president.

U.S. CONSTITUTION:
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; bs; chickennoodlenews; cnn; ignorantmedia; kerry; veep; x42
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CNN can't even report facts stated in the Constitution correctly!

Constitution, Smonstitution, if we want Bill then we can report it anyway we see fit.

1 posted on 06/04/2004 12:33:44 PM PDT by Republican Red
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To: Republican Red

The one reason you can take to the bank that he WON'T be a VP candidate is that it would screw up Hillary's plans..


2 posted on 06/04/2004 12:35:13 PM PDT by ken5050
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To: Republican Red

John Kerry-the Manchurian Candidate?


3 posted on 06/04/2004 12:35:54 PM PDT by Spok
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To: Republican Red

Well since the left continues to say Bush wasn't elected, when he wins in November, by their measure it will be his first elected term and thus can run for reelection in 2008!


4 posted on 06/04/2004 12:36:31 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Distributor of Pain, Your Loss Becomes My Gain)
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To: ken5050

Not really, she ran the White House while he played with Monica. Bill as VP, a hit on Kerry, and Hill is back in charge.


5 posted on 06/04/2004 12:36:43 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: Republican Red
See tagline.
6 posted on 06/04/2004 12:36:47 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Republican Red

CNN, you guys full of crap.


7 posted on 06/04/2004 12:37:23 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Republican Red

What is it about BC that's so appealing? Is it nostaligia, reminding people of high-tech IPO's and $100/share DOT COM stocks?


8 posted on 06/04/2004 12:37:36 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Republican Red

They certainly need a remedial course in reading comprehension, don't they?


9 posted on 06/04/2004 12:38:23 PM PDT by Constitution Day (Rush may be "show prep for the media", but FR is show prep for RUSH!)
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To: Republican Red

Brit Hume should comment on this tonight!


10 posted on 06/04/2004 12:38:59 PM PDT by ItsTheMediaStupid
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To: Phantom Lord
Well since the left continues to say Bush wasn't elected, when he wins in November, by their measure it will be his first elected term and thus can run for reelection in 2008!

Very good!

11 posted on 06/04/2004 12:41:24 PM PDT by jslade (People who are easily offended, OFFEND ME!)
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To: Lexinom

Chris Matthews misses his oratorical skills.


12 posted on 06/04/2004 12:43:21 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Republican Red

Oh boy, McCain is gonna be mad.

Who would float these kind of statements out there anyways?

Clinton's trying to discredit Kerry's campaign again maybe?


13 posted on 06/04/2004 12:45:35 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: Republican Red
Actually, what the 22nd Amendment says is: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice...." (My italics)

So there's a legitimate argument that one can Constitutionally succeed to the office of President, even if one has previously been elected twice.

Of course, it's a moot point, because you have to work at CNN to be dumb enough to think that Kerry might pick Bill Clinton as his running mate.

14 posted on 06/04/2004 12:47:07 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: GraniteStateConservative

Ah yes. Reminds me of Plato's Gorgias. It's all about telling people what they want to hear and titilating them with eloquence of form, not about real knowledge of the subject matter.


15 posted on 06/04/2004 12:47:46 PM PDT by Lexinom
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To: Republican Red

CNN-fair and balanced!


16 posted on 06/04/2004 12:49:51 PM PDT by kalama
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To: Republican Red

But, but, but, FOX news lies.

(sarcasm again)


17 posted on 06/04/2004 12:51:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: Spok
John Kerry-the Manchurian Candidate?

Could be. I think this man is a better fit:


18 posted on 06/04/2004 12:52:58 PM PDT by Shermy (The only "F" word Kerry can't say is "France")
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To: ScottFromSpokane

I guess if anyone is up to the task of defining what "is" is it's Bill Clinton. But I still think even the 22 Amendment is pretty clear.

Amendment XXII

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.


19 posted on 06/04/2004 12:53:04 PM PDT by Republican Red
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To: Republican Red

CNN is part of the Clinton "trial balloon" team. Put it out there, and see how the public reacts. "Maybe we can get them to write letters and get this law changed so we can go back and serve them. They need me!" Hey, Bill - go finish it off in the sink.


20 posted on 06/04/2004 12:55:07 PM PDT by TommyDale
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To: TommyDale

I commented on the list in a local group. Heres the liberal response.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/08/columns/fl.dorf.goreclinton.08.01/

Because CNN says so.


21 posted on 06/04/2004 12:59:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
"No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice...."

You're right, and I've wondered about that for some time. Can the Secretary of State who is not natural born become President, if the President, Vice President, Speaker of the House, and President Pro Tem of the Senate all resign? He would not be elected but his office would be next in line.

22 posted on 06/04/2004 1:00:46 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: Republican Red
Right. It's absolutely clear. He can't be elected to the office of President. But it doesn't say that no one can serve as President who has been elected twice before.

Contrast that with Article II's statement of eligibility: "No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States." (My italics)

23 posted on 06/04/2004 1:01:12 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: Rider on the Rain

No, because (see my previous post), the eligibility requirements in Article 2 specifically state the requirements to be "eligible to the office," while the 22nd Amendment merely defines how many times one can be "elected to the office."


24 posted on 06/04/2004 1:03:34 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
Actually, what the 22nd Amendment says is: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice...." (My italics)

So there's a legitimate argument that one can Constitutionally succeed to the office of President, even if one has previously been elected twice.

Yes, but there is a maximum 10 years in office. If Kerry tripped on his chin and died after only one year in office, that would put clinton pulling 11 years, hence he is inelligible.
25 posted on 06/04/2004 1:04:12 PM PDT by sc2_ct
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To: Republican Red

Does this mean that if Kerry were to die Clinton couldn't take office? If thats the case then why even have a VP!


26 posted on 06/04/2004 1:05:49 PM PDT by Hotdog
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To: sc2_ct

I think I know where you get the "ten years" thing, but I don't believe it's actually in the Constitution. It comes from the possibility of serving two years of an unexpired term, plus two terms of one's own, for a total of ten years.


27 posted on 06/04/2004 1:06:35 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

he would be elected to the VP postion...


28 posted on 06/04/2004 1:07:20 PM PDT by Hotdog
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To: cripplecreek

I am sure that some 9th Circuit Judge will rule that the 12th isn't worded CORRECTLY to prevent Clinton from being the Vice-President NOR the POTUS in case of Effingkerry's demise, based on the 22nd.


29 posted on 06/04/2004 1:08:45 PM PDT by PISANO (NEVER FORGET 911 !!!!)
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Chris Matthews misses his oratorical skills.

You sure that isn't oral skills?

Actually, this is not beyond the realm of possibility. The Dims love Bubba, it would put them into a permanent orgasmic state. If he won (which he won't), Kerry would suddenly find a reason to not run in '08, Bubba the LoveSponge couldn't run, so it would be prime time for Hillary the Hateful. Think twice before you dismiss this diabolical plan.

30 posted on 06/04/2004 1:09:24 PM PDT by Use It Or Lose It (You're with us or you're with the terrorists. Choose wisely.)
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To: Republican Red
But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

Our reaction to this shows clearly why we conservatives are too stupid and closed-minded and mentally unbalanced to ever be allowed to have any kind of power. We just don't grasp the nuances in that phrase like the people who argue about what the meaning of "is" is do.

31 posted on 06/04/2004 1:09:34 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC (The media's mouth keeps moving but all I hear is Blah-Blah-Blah!)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

You're right again. Thanks for clearing that up.


32 posted on 06/04/2004 1:09:43 PM PDT by Rider on the Rain
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To: ScottFromSpokane

This has nothing to do with whether we like Clinton or not. The Constitution does not prevent him from being elected Veep, or assuming the presidency if something ... ummmm, happens to the prez.

If we can prohibit him (or any president who cannot be elected) from running, couldn't we also prevent a former president who might be in the line of succession (e.g. cabinet official) from taking the office as theoretically all the ones ahead of him can die or resign?

In any event, adding Clinton to the mix would only lose Kerry votes.


33 posted on 06/04/2004 1:10:37 PM PDT by sittnick (There's no salvation in politics.)
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To: ScottFromSpokane
Yes, but see the 12th Amendment- last line.....

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

34 posted on 06/04/2004 1:14:09 PM PDT by admiralsn (Thank you all WW2 veterans!)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

"Actually, what the 22nd Amendment says is: "No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice...." (My italics)

So there's a legitimate argument that one can Constitutionally succeed to the office of President, even if one has previously been elected twice."



Absolutely correct. Either because of poor drafsmanship or intentional nuance, the 22nd amendment merely prohibits a person who has been elected president twice (or who has been elected once and served as president for over 2 years of someone else's term) from being *elected* president again. It does not prohibit such person from *becoming* president because of the line of succession (as opposed to someone who is not a natural-born citizen, who would have to be skipped over if he was next in line---had the president, VP, Speaker and president pro tem all died while foreign-born Henry Kissinger or Madeline Albright served as Secretary of State, they would have been skipped over and the Secretary of the Treasury would have become president). If Bill Clinton was Speaker of the House and both the president and VP died, the current succession statute would make him president, and the 22nd Am. wouldn't stop it.

On the other hand, the 12th Amendment says that no person constitutionally ineligible to the presidency shall be eligible to that of the vice presidency, and some people argue that if you are ineligible to be *elected* president, you should be ineligible to be *elected* VP. But that's not what the 12th Am. says---only if you are ineligible to *become* president are you ineligible to *become* VP, and the amendment does not require any additional qualifications for being elected VP. So Clinton could be constitutionally elected VP, and if the president died he would become president again. It's not going to happen, but it's not unconstitutional.


35 posted on 06/04/2004 1:15:11 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: admiralsn

Yes. That's the point. The 22nd Amendment says nothing about "ineligibility to the office of President."


36 posted on 06/04/2004 1:15:17 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: ScottFromSpokane

Correct and correct.


37 posted on 06/04/2004 1:16:22 PM PDT by Positive
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To: ScottFromSpokane

But wouldn't the "10 years total" thing, found in the 22nd Amendment, make him ineligible?


38 posted on 06/04/2004 1:18:23 PM PDT by admiralsn (Thank you all WW2 veterans!)
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To: Republican Red

As I've read the two amendments, what they mean to me is that Clinton could become President if he were Vice-President, but then he could not run for re-election.


39 posted on 06/04/2004 1:18:57 PM PDT by Positive
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To: ScottFromSpokane

Nevermind, I see now.


40 posted on 06/04/2004 1:20:53 PM PDT by admiralsn (Thank you all WW2 veterans!)
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To: Republican Red

Where is the Barf alert?


41 posted on 06/04/2004 1:21:54 PM PDT by elephant
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To: ScottFromSpokane; sc2_ct

"I think I know where you get the "ten years" thing, but I don't believe it's actually in the Constitution. It comes from the possibility of serving two years of an unexpired term, plus two terms of one's own, for a total of ten years."



Exactly, 10 years is not a constitutional maximum. A friend of mine once stated (as an aside) in a footnote to a law journal article that there was a 10-year max for serving as president, and he later had to admit that in theory people could serve well over 10 years as president.


42 posted on 06/04/2004 1:22:32 PM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice, moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Positive
As I've read the two amendments, what they mean to me is that Clinton could become President if he were Vice-President, but then he could not run for re-election.

And don't think Kerry wouldn't be sleeping with one eye open (and not just due to botox swelling).

43 posted on 06/04/2004 1:22:41 PM PDT by admiralsn (Thank you all WW2 veterans!)
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To: admiralsn
Here is the entire 22nd Amendment. There is no ten-year limit.
Amendment XXII

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several states within seven years from the date of its submission to the states by the Congress.

As I said before, the supposed "ten-year limit" comes from the possibility of filling two years of an unexpired term, plus two elected terms. But whoever came up with that idea didn't consider the possibility of a former President succeeding to the office.
44 posted on 06/04/2004 1:23:09 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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To: Republican Red

NOT!!! Kerry would like to continue to live. He's got to figure if Hill or Billy are VP's, he's a goner.


45 posted on 06/04/2004 1:23:55 PM PDT by shield (The Greatest Scientific Discoveries of the Century Reveal God!!!! by Dr. H. Ross, Astrophysicist)
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To: Republican Red
I disagree.

ARTICLE II

SECTION I
No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

Ammendment XII

But no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice-President of the United States.

AMMENDMENT XXIII

Section 1.

No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once...............

Seems prety clear to me that there is a loophole allowing anyone who meets the requirements for the Presidency in ARTICLE II, Section 1, including former presidents, to run for the Vice Presidency or be apointed to it if there is a vacancy, and to serve as President if the President dies or os removed.

SO9

46 posted on 06/04/2004 1:24:20 PM PDT by Servant of the 9 (Screwing the Inscrutable or is it Scruting the Inscrewable?)
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To: Rider on the Rain

I believe the Speaker of the House is next in line (and the House can pick whomever they want for that position--it doesn't have to be a Member of Congress)...so in theory Clinton could be chosen Speaker, and the President and Vice President could resign simultaneously, and Clinton could become President. In that case, there wouldn't be any time limit--he could serve the remainder of the term. Fortunately that's never going to happen.


47 posted on 06/04/2004 1:24:40 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: ken5050

If you take a look at the actual site, you see that they list just about anyone and everyone as possible VP contenders. I mean Tom Brokaw is listed as a possible canadate. Come on!! That would be equivalent to admitting that there is a media bias, which will never happen.


48 posted on 06/04/2004 1:28:57 PM PDT by usapatriot28
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To: Republican Red
This is yet another example of the gross factual stupidity of CNN's editors and reporters. The Constitution plainly states that no one is "eligible" to be Vice President who is not also "eligible" to be President. So Billyjeff Clinton cannot run for or be elected to either office.

If the editors / reporters had a copy of the Constitution as amended available in their offices, and if they could read, the answer would be obvious.

Congressman Billybob

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49 posted on 06/04/2004 1:30:32 PM PDT by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Republican Red

It'll never happen, no matter whether the Constitution forbids it or not. Oh, people will always talk about getting Bill Clinton on the ticket, as long as he's alive, but I doubt anybody's actually dumb enough to pick him as a running mate. As loath as they are to admit it, every Democratic politician in America--Kerry, Hillary, you name 'em--knows that being the only thing standing between Bubba and another shot at the White House would be gravely hazardous to his or her health.


50 posted on 06/04/2004 1:30:43 PM PDT by RichInOC (...jumping into the lion pit at the zoo naked and slathered in A-1 Sauce might be less dangerous.)
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