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No security or safety for young Christian girls in Egypt! (November 21, 2003)
http://www.coptslink.com ^ | November 21, 2003 | Dr. Selim Nagiub

Posted on 06/06/2004 5:04:34 AM PDT by miltonim

No security or safety for young Christian girls in Egypt! Thanks to terrorist groups in Saudi Arabia and a complacent Egyptian government.

The Canadian Coptic Association has previously appealed to Egyptian journalists and writers for help regarding the recent escalating phenomena of the kidnapping and sexual assault of minor Christian girls by known organized Muslim extremist groups. The young victims are subject to continuous terror, threat and rape to force them to convert to Islam and live with a member of the group. Unfortunately, our previous complaints have fallen on deaf ears which give us the impression that Christian children have no worth or value in the eyes of the Egyptian Government. The following are the most recent cases of abduction of minor Christian girls that came to our attention.

On Oct.20th2003 Heba Samir Wahba, was abducted from her home town Samalut, Minia Governorate. She was constantly threatened by her abductor Alaa Farouk Higazy that her family would face death if she does not comply with his demands and orders. Heba’s family members are on hunger strike (one is in her late pregnancy), protesting the unwillingness of the police and the local authority to take the necessary actions to return her. 1/3 Heba’s abductor belongs to an extremist group known to authority and police called (Ein Shams). Its leaders are, Mohamed Abd El Zaher, a lawyer in Minia Governorate where Heba attended school, Sheikh Yasser from Heba’s home town Samalut, his phone # 2(086)712-669. Sheikh Ibrahim (an engineer working for the government), Sheikh Yousri and Mohamed Abdel Aziz also from Minia where Heba attended school. Sheikh Abou El Zaied from Berma village in Tanta city, tell# 2(040)308-0152. We understand that the above mentioned group is behind the disappearance of 16 Christian minors in the last eight month alone. It is financed by sources in Saudi Arabia that pays 20000.00 Egyptian pounds plus other rewards to a person who converts a Christian girl.

On Sept27th2003, Engy Edward Nagy went out and never returned home to her dad and brother in Cairo. The second day her family was told that she was staying with an old neighbor Abd El Gaber Abd El Mutalb Mohamed Kandeel, who is a Muslim extremist. The family understands that Engy was forced on the second day of her abduction to announce her conversion at a police station with the help of her abductor’s lawyer. Engy is living with her abductor illegally under a 24 hours police protection!!

On July2nd.2003, Mariam Serguious Besada was abducted by Abd Alla Alaa El Dean Abd Alla who lives in her village Abou Tsht, Qinna Governorate in Upper Egypt. She was released later but her abductors never face any charges by the police which encourage others to follow suit and make money out of assaulting young Christian girls!!

On June30th2003, Nermien Sadek was abducted by a passing car according to an eye witness from the front of her school inAlexandria. A police report was filed, but no efforts are made to return her.

On Apr.12th2003, Neveen Malak Kamel was abducted also from Samalut by a member of a terrorist group, El Gamaa El Islamia, Hasan Abu Zeid who lives in her village in Samalut, Minia.

1-According to the Egyptian Civil Law - Item # 2/44 indicates “Civil age of maturity is 21 years old”

2- In the same Law, item #1/44 states,” any sane person reaches the age of maturity and is not under a tutor is eligible to practice his/her civil rights”

3-Item # 45 of the same Law states “Minors (under 21 years of age) or mentally insane or challenged persons are not eligible to practice civil rights”

4- Item #47 of the law states the following “Those who are not eligible to practice civil rights for any reason, are subject to guardianship or tutorship according to the rules of the Law.

According to the above items of the Egyptian Law, and since all the abducted girls are between the age of 16 to 19 years old, their Islamic forced union and conversion can’t be considered legal without the approval of the guardian (family). Item # 1 of Law # 119 of the year 1952 also considers these girls as minors under the guardianship of their family. The Egyptian Law does not give minors the freedom to spend their inheritance or travel without a written permission from the guardian.

The Egyptian Constitution which is severely and willingly violated by the government and the local authorities including the police, indicates the following, - Item#64 states “the rule of Law is the foundation of governing “ - Item # 65 states” Government is subject to the Law”

International Human Rights agreements signed and adopted by the Egyptian government in 1981 “Citizen’s Protection and Safety” are totally ignored and broken.

Finally it is very ironic that the Egyptian Constitution, item #46 on Personal Freedoms includes freedom of religion. The Constitution states “Government provides to all citizens the Freedom of Dogma and freedom to practice religion”!!

For more information: Please contact Dr. Selim Naguib, PhD in Law and Political Science ssnaguib@sympatico.ca or ssnaguib@hotmail.com Fax: 514:485 -1533


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: copticchristians; copts; dhimmi; egypt; islam; koran; muslims; persecution; religiouscleansing

1 posted on 06/06/2004 5:04:36 AM PDT by miltonim
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To: miltonim
How much U.S. taxpayer money does Egypt get annually? Around $2 Billion ?

We definitely need more mosques and Islamic training centers and summer camps in the USA along with more Muslims Chaplains in the military and U.S. prisons...

2 posted on 06/06/2004 5:10:30 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: MarMema
Muhammad-inspired persecution of Christians, Jews and all non-Muslims continues...

Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....The Koran
3 posted on 06/06/2004 5:11:31 AM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: miltonim
Well, well. The mo-slimes are following the criminal traditions of their founder, ol' 'hammed.

Is-slime...the religion of rape, kidnapping, murder, and pedophilia.

4 posted on 06/06/2004 5:12:00 AM PDT by neutrino (Everybody, soon or late, sits down to a banquet of consequences. Robert Louis Stevenson.)
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To: neutrino

I'll drink to that...


5 posted on 06/06/2004 5:13:24 AM PDT by coydog (End Single-Party rule in Canada!)
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To: miltonim

This is not just inspired this is dirested. After 9-11 I picked up a copy of the Qur'an and these people...all of them scare me. To declare yourself muslim is to declare yourself the mortal enemy of every Christian and Jew. This is not just implied or a misreading these terrorists have.one of the verses requires "hatred and enmity to the end of days" for Christians and Jews


6 posted on 06/06/2004 5:32:03 AM PDT by bad company (Godspeed Dutch)
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To: miltonim

I don't want to come off flippant nor facetious, but when one knows which way the wind blows, why not get the hell out of there and regroup somewhere free?


7 posted on 06/06/2004 7:16:28 AM PDT by Solamente
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To: Solamente

Where?..... Michigan?


8 posted on 06/06/2004 8:08:49 AM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: Solamente; monkfan; Kolokotronis; katnip; FormerLib; kosta50
A lot of Egyptians have come to the Pacific Northwest and are building churches. But it is not so easy to leave. I know because my husband worked with a man who managed to come here with his family. He died last year, sadly, but was a great Christian. +memory eternal+

Our family has helped several Russians to bring their families here from the very southern border near Chechnya, where currently there are bombings and terrorist activities. Stavrapol. One woman's parents, elderly, were living in the woods hiding in terror.

The Egyptians don't get much press, and it is not a piece of cake to escape. The government is run by those supporting the terrorists.

9 posted on 06/06/2004 8:24:52 AM PDT by MarMema (“The church is a very narrow stream of clean water.” Aleksandr Shargunov)
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To: miltonim

Thanks for posting this. My heart breaks for these people.


10 posted on 06/06/2004 8:25:44 AM PDT by MarMema (“The church is a very narrow stream of clean water.” Aleksandr Shargunov)
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To: Solamente

How much money and resources do you think those Coptics subject to most abuse are likely to have after about a century and a half of subjection and servitude in Egypt. At least the Israelites had Moses and the LORD. Who do the Coptics have to plead their cause ?


11 posted on 06/06/2004 8:30:16 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: af_vet_1981; RussianConservative

Good points. God have mercy on these poor young girls.


12 posted on 06/06/2004 8:36:43 AM PDT by MarMema (“The church is a very narrow stream of clean water.” Aleksandr Shargunov)
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To: bad company

" To declare yourself muslim is to declare yourself the mortal enemy of every Christian and Jew. This is not just implied or a misreading these terrorists have.one of the verses requires "hatred and enmity to the end of days" for Christians and Jews "

Don't forget islam is a nation of
misogyny(hatred of women)! If the nation of islam males could carry babies to term they would exterminate all females. Keep the strong females for slave labor...oh wait they already do that.


13 posted on 06/06/2004 8:39:06 AM PDT by SunnySide
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To: Solamente

Using your "logic," all non-Mohammedans should simply move to Antarctica.

After all, the purpose of Mohammedanism is to conquer the world.


14 posted on 06/06/2004 8:39:17 AM PDT by Guillermo (Simpson, you've got a short in your tail light. It started blinking when you made that turn - Wiggum)
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To: af_vet_1981
Who do the Coptics have to plead their cause ?

What about former UN Secretary-General Boutros-Boutros Ghali, an Egyptian Coptic Christian who has been silent as the grave on this issue?

15 posted on 06/06/2004 8:41:52 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves
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To: miltonim; Mr. Jeeves
dhimmi watch

"And what about sad-eyed dhimmified scared Boutros Boutros Ghali? Despite being the U.N.'s Secretary-General, he always was, and always will be, a court Copt, kept around because he is useful (and his French is so much better than that of the Muslims in Egypt's Foreign Ministry), in disproving that Egypt really does persecute the Copts."

"Washington DC (5/2/04) - In the early morning hours of Sunday, May 2nd, Egyptian police forces in El Minia, Egypt arrested a Coptic priest and four other Copts. After loading the Copts onto a police truck, Egyptian police drove the speeding vehicle into a water canal, killing three of the Christian men, including the priest.

Police arrested Father Ibrahim Mikhaeil, priest of the St. Mena Church in the village of Taha el Omodeen, and four lay Copts under charges of unlawful construction of a church fence. Once police had bound the hands of the men and loaded them into the police van, the vehicle was driven towards the Ibrahimiya Canal. The police officer drove the car towards the brink of the canal, and jumped out of the moving vehicle as it approached the waters. Father Mikhaeil, Mahrous, and Nasef were killed. The two other Copts remain hospitalized in critical condition.

Copts in the village of Taha el Omodeen have been in uproar since news of the killings has emerged. Maltreatment of Copts by local police is not uncommon; and police officers have repeatedly assaulted Coptic communities.

Recent reports have also shown that Coptic churches in El Minia have had renewed difficulties in obtaining permits for the reconstruction and renovation of their churches. "Local police officials have over and over again shown themselves to be antagonistic towards the local Coptic communities," state Michael Meunier, president of the U.S. Copts Association. "The killing of this priest and his laymen marks yet another sign of official injustice perpetrated against the Coptic community," he continued.

16 posted on 06/06/2004 9:12:34 AM PDT by MarMema (“The church is a very narrow stream of clean water.” Aleksandr Shargunov)
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To: af_vet_1981
after about a century millenium and a half of subjection and servitude
17 posted on 06/06/2004 9:13:21 AM PDT by af_vet_1981
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To: miltonim
Don't miss this one for enjoyable reading/not
18 posted on 06/06/2004 9:14:56 AM PDT by MarMema (“The church is a very narrow stream of clean water.” Aleksandr Shargunov)
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To: joesnuffy
How much U.S. taxpayer money does Egypt get annually? Around $2 Billion ?

Things that make you want to vote CP.

19 posted on 06/06/2004 11:25:32 PM PDT by Indie (We don't need no steenkin' experts!)
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To: MarMema; All
Does anyone know of organizations doing something about this?

There are several trying to help persecuted Christians in Muslim lands worldwide, such as Jubilee Campaign USA, but I couldn't find anything specifically working to get these poor Coptic girls and their families out of harm's way.

20 posted on 06/06/2004 11:49:21 PM PDT by Heatseeker
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To: Heatseeker
perhaps we can do something here. I am willing and interested in helping, but have no ideas to offer.

The prospect of these girls lives fills me with horror and sympathy.

21 posted on 06/07/2004 12:10:59 AM PDT by MarMema (“The church is a very narrow stream of clean water.” Aleksandr Shargunov)
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To: MarMema
The first step would possibly to contact the existing Coptic-American groups to see what resources they have.

The best solution would be to get these families out of Egypt and into America.

22 posted on 06/07/2004 2:38:52 AM PDT by Heatseeker
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To: coydog

that's a simple simplified story for kids to know islam as a religion of facts and to explain what a small side of Islam is and what it believes in and it prooves it with facts only.. use the mind that Our god gave us. you've a brain that was able to realize the whole universe, can't you see beyond that!!

>There was a young man who went overseas to study for quite a long time. When he returned, he asked his parents to find him a religious scholar or an expert who could answer his 3 questions.
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>Finally, his parents were able to find him a Muslim scholar.
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>Young man: Who are you and can you answer my questions?
>Scholar: I'm one of Allah's (subhana wa Ta'la) slaves and InshaAllah I will be able to answer your questions.
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>Young man: Are you sure because a lot of experts and scholars were unable to answer my questions.
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>Scholar: I will try my best
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>Young man: I have three questions.
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>1.Does GOD exist? If so show me His shape?
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>2.What is takdir? (Fate)
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>3.If shaytan (devil) is created from fire, then why will he be thrown into the hell fire in the end?
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>It certainly will not hurt him at all, since shaytan (devil) and hell were both created from fire....
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>Suddenly the scholar slapped the young mans face very hard.
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>Young man : Why are you getting angry at me?
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>Scholar: I am not getting angry. The slap is my answer to all three questions.
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>Young man: I really don't understand
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>Scholar: How did you feel after I slapped you?
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>Young man: Of course I felt pain
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>Scholar: Show me the shape of pain!
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>Young man: I cannot
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>Scholar: This is my first answer. All of us feel GOD's existence without being able to see His shape.
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>Scholar: Last night did you dream that you will be slapped by me?
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>Young man: No
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>Scholar: Did you ever think that you will get a slap from me today?
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>Young man: No
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>Scholar: This is takdir (fate)
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>Scholar: My hand that I used to slap you - what is it created from?
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>Young man: It is created from skin
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>Scholar: How about your face - what is it created from?
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>Young man: Skin
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>Scholar: How did u feel after I slapped you?
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>Young man: Pain
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>Scholar: Even though shaytan (devil) and hell were both created from fire, if Allah wants,
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>InshAllah hell will become a very painful place for the shaytan.


23 posted on 11/30/2004 6:41:05 AM PST by Ahmed Mohamed
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