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Southerners credit political shift to Reagan
Florida Times-Union ^ | Monday, June 7, 2004 | MATT GALNOR

Posted on 06/07/2004 1:53:42 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Once a Democratic stronghold, Northeast Florida is now, without question, Republican country.

When local politicians and experts discuss that drastic shift over the past 20 years, they point to one familiar face -- that of former President Ronald Reagan, who died Saturday at 93.

"He's the one that started that movement, here and in the whole state," said Bill Taylor, who chaired the state Republican Party from 1974 to '80. "He had the faith, and it was contagious."

Reagan, politicians and observers say, made it acceptable for local officials to be Republicans. The former president's message of keeping money in people's pockets and strengthening the military resonated in the South and in Northeast Florida with Democrats who saw the national party drifting further to the left.

(Excerpt) Read more at jacksonville.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: dixielist; realignment; ronaldreagan; south; southernvote

1 posted on 06/07/2004 1:53:42 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2

Just check out Ted Rall's latest blog about Reagan. Its unprintable here but one look at it and y'all will understand why much of the country has turned against the Left.


2 posted on 06/07/2004 2:02:43 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: JohnHuang2; B4Ranch; JackelopeBreeder; Spiff; anon; SJackson; dennisw; Sabertooth; ...

"Reagan, politicians and observers say, made it acceptable for local officials to be Republicans. The former president's message of keeping money in people's pockets and strengthening the military resonated in the South and in Northeast Florida with Democrats who saw the national party drifting further to the left."

Keeping (U.S.) money in (U.S.) pockets?

That would be a laughing stock today in light of the literally BILLIONS of dollars in lost revenue funnelled off to Mexico from migrant workers via U.S. and other money orders each year.

HINT: Go to any local post office on a "Mexican" payday and just observe the cash flowing across the counter - STRAIGHT FROM THE UNITED STATES TO MEXICO.

Money "staying" in the United States in 2004 is a complete, utter political joke. And Mexico is laughing all the way to the bank.

3 posted on 06/07/2004 2:08:27 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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To: Happy2BMe

$69 Billion a year is what we are paying for the illegals.


4 posted on 06/07/2004 2:12:19 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Ignore your rights and they'll go away.)
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To: goldstategop
"...the country has turned against the Left."

And why there ain't no turning back.

5 posted on 06/07/2004 2:26:03 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
"He was as aggressive about liberalism as he was about communism."

Well, it's pretty much the same thing—just a difference of degrees.

6 posted on 06/07/2004 6:58:11 AM PDT by TonyRo76 (Real men trust Jesus!)
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To: JohnHuang2

I grew up, and still live, in Atlanta. In 1980 I was in 7th grade and we had a mock election. There were some 800 kids at the school and the final tally was around 798-2 for Reagan. Granted, this was a phitebrad community but it was still Carter's home state. That was pretty impressive.


7 posted on 06/07/2004 7:01:56 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: JohnHuang2

Believe it or not (and contrary to Confederate and neo-Confederate propaganda), some of us in the South have been Republicans since Lincoln.


8 posted on 06/07/2004 7:53:30 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: *dixie_list; sionnsar; Free Trapper; dcwusmc; Wampus SC; Fiddlstix; Southron Patriot; ...

Southern bump


9 posted on 06/07/2004 7:57:25 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: Zionist Conspirator
YEP!

all THREE of you.

free dixie,sw

10 posted on 06/07/2004 8:14:51 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
Yep, three people spread across East Tennessee, West Virginia, western North Carolina, northern Georgia, Jones County Mississippi, Carroll County and Hardin County Tennessee, etc., etc., etc.

You know, even though I've come to realize the error of my ancestors on their rejection of the Biblical legitimacy of slavery (and polygyny and concubinage too, btw), the self-righteousness of you neo-Confederates never fails to disgust me. And regardless of slavery, your Calhouninan "compact theory" is so ludicrous that even Pat Buchanan shot it down in The Great Betrayal.

My post was not aimed at you, but I can tell that you and your brethren will insist on playing "gotcha last!" until I give up in exasperation. Very well. "You win." Now are you satisfied?

You should have gone to the New York Jefferson-Jackson Day dinner to listen to the Ketchup Lady.

Washington, Adams, and Hamilton forever. Jefferson should have gone to the guillotine of the Jacobins he admired so much.

11 posted on 06/07/2004 8:28:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
what utter HOGWASH!

free dixie,sw

12 posted on 06/07/2004 8:53:24 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: JohnHuang2

I'm a Reagan fan, but LBJ deserves credit for the South turning Republican.


13 posted on 06/07/2004 9:21:57 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Zionist Conspirator
btw, what in YOUR opinion is a "neo-confederate"????

i've NEVER actually met one.

to my knowledge there are only PALEO-Confederate partisans, scalawags (TURNCOATS & TRAITORS to their native south) & neutrals (mostly newcomers) in the southland.

as for me & my house, we serve the Lord & dixie and have for over 150 YEARS! (that's anything but "neo".)

free dixie,sw

14 posted on 06/07/2004 9:24:51 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: PAR35
In Texas and elsewhere, conservative Democrats elected LBJ. They were horrified at the result, and that is part of what forced them to reconcile their party with their ideology.

I hate LBJ as the big-government author of the War on Poverty, repurcussions of which are still hurting us. On the other hand, I will give LBJ that he forced through the Civil Rights Act. Some of that conservative Democrat horror was that result. Thankfully, the Republican party did not become the anti-Civil Rights party.

15 posted on 06/07/2004 9:31:31 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: PAR35
mr peanut TOO!

free dixie,sw

16 posted on 06/07/2004 9:34:55 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: NutCrackerBoy
true, BUT the mainSLIME media blasts us with that anyway.

you'll note that the media doesn't attack the DIMocRATS for having a KKK lifemember in their US Senate delegation- byrd gets a PASS because he's a DIM.

can you imagine what the leftist media wouls say if we were unlucky enough to have him in OUR party????? wouldn't be pretty.

free dixie,sw

17 posted on 06/07/2004 9:37:59 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
to my knowledge there are only PALEO-Confederate partisans, scalawags (TURNCOATS & TRAITORS to their native south) & neutrals (mostly newcomers) in the southland.

There is absolutely no need whatsoever in our arguing. I will change nothing nor profit either one of us (unless you just enjoy childish argument). My ancestors (on all four sides of my family) were Southern Lincoln Republicans. Deal with it.

Good-bye.

18 posted on 06/07/2004 9:40:19 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
i'd sooner have a sister in a bordello, than an ancestor who failed to fight FOR dixie.

i PITY you, though it's not your fault, that your ancestors chose UNwisely.

go do some reading from other than REVISIONIST sources & come back to talk. there is HOPE for you.

free dixie,sw

19 posted on 06/07/2004 9:44:18 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
Sorry to go off on a tangent, from Reagan to LBJ to elite opinion, mainstream press, and party platforms, but what the heck.

Elite opinion will punish Republican on the gay marriage issue. After all, there are conservativish elites and regular people who do honestly see it that way - as a civil rights issue. It's a deep societal issue, not just a rights issue. We have to be Reaganesque and stand our ground. There! I did bring it back to Reagan!

20 posted on 06/07/2004 9:46:47 AM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
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To: NutCrackerBoy
good for you!

FYI, the candlelight vigil last night in DC went on until late-i got home about 11pm.

free dixie,sw

21 posted on 06/07/2004 9:48:27 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
i'd sooner have a sister in a bordello, than an ancestor who failed to fight FOR dixie.

i PITY you, though it's not your fault, that your ancestors chose UNwisely.

go do some reading from other than REVISIONIST sources & come back to talk. there is HOPE for you.

free dixie,sw

Rather than respond in kind, I think I'll just let your childish insults speak for themselves.

22 posted on 06/07/2004 9:51:41 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

Your ancestors were probably the equivalent of the mosern day dolts that voted for clintoon. Stupid and most likely cowards, too.


23 posted on 06/07/2004 10:02:00 AM PDT by rebelyell
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To: stand watie
mr peanut TOO!

He did help things along.

24 posted on 06/07/2004 10:14:45 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: Zionist Conspirator
the self-righteousness of you neo-Confederates never fails to disgust me

Elitism disgusts me. If you are looking for a flame war, try another forum.

25 posted on 06/07/2004 10:27:59 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: rebelyell
Your ancestors were probably the equivalent of the mosern day dolts that voted for clintoon. Stupid and most likely cowards, too.

You know, all I did was to post that some of us were Republicans from the beginning. That's all I did. I didn't run anyone down or impugn anyone's ancestors. And now I'm getting piled on by someone who types as though he's in junior high school and a bunch of "Southern gentlemen" who insult my ancestors as if doing so was some sort of fun little children's game. You obviously know absolutely nothing about what honor actually is or you would consider this a little more weighty than you do. The folks at "Democratic Underground" are true children of their ancestors, it seems.

Thank G-d Lincoln kept us from being governed by people like you.

Despite the left/palaeoright legend, national independence alone does not assure utiopia. One can be governed by idiots at home as easily as idiots in Washington.

26 posted on 06/07/2004 10:39:35 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: stainlessbanner
the self-righteousness of you neo-Confederates never fails to disgust me

Elitism disgusts me. If you are looking for a flame war, try another forum.

I did not start a flame war. I am the one who was attacked for making a simple statement.

I fail to see why rule by a small elite of rich, bourbon-swilling, cigar-smoking, horse-race betting European-aristocrat-style planters would be any more "populistic" than rule by New England Puritans.

27 posted on 06/07/2004 10:43:07 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: rebelyell
Your ancestors were probably the equivalent of the mosern day dolts that voted for clintoon. Stupid and most likely cowards, too.

[sarcasm] Why of course they were. That's why they fought for the Union. That was the coward's side. Everyone who fought for the Union, in obedience to his conscience, was a coward. Every Union soldier, Northern or Southern, who died for what he thought was right was a sub-human despoiler of Ole Massa's li'l ole paradise. Only the Confederates were brave. The entire war was one between 100% cowards on one side and 100% brave men on the other. That's why the Union won, right? Because cowards always defeat the brave and the honorable. [/sarcasm]

Our ancestors--mine and yours--came to respect each other on the battlefield despite their sincere disagreements about the nature of the Union. I would be glad to respect you and your interpretation of the Union (much as I disagree with it). But you, like a toy soldier who has no appreciation of what both sides suffered and went through for what they thought was right have no concept of real honor. That is why you insult my ancestors, and the fact that you think you can do so without shame (as though you have done nothing wrong) exposes you for what you really are.

I may be a piece of shit, but my ancestors were brave and honorable. Your own ancestors were also brave and honorable. You, on the other hand, area piece of shit.

28 posted on 06/07/2004 10:53:27 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
nothing childish about it.

SORRY, but failure to fight for one's own native south made one either a coward or a scalawag. period, end of story.

that however is NOT your fault, as you weren't around.

free dixie,sw

29 posted on 06/07/2004 2:11:29 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: PAR35
YEP!

free dixie,sw

30 posted on 06/07/2004 2:11:53 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
southerners who FAILED to FIGHT for dixie FREEDOM were either COWARDS or SCALAWAGS (i.e. traitors to their native southland)!

i am NOT going to let you try to change the subject to a blue/gray argument.

BOTH, the boys who wore the BLUE (even though i would say they acted BRAVELY in a POOR CAUSE) AND the VALIANT lads in GRAY, acted HONORABLY & for the vast majority with GREAT, BRAVERY.

the "stay-at-homes" like your family were anything but HONORABLE!

still, it is NOT your fault, as you weren't alive.

personal note to you: i'll match academic credentials with you anytime. what is your earned doctorate in????

free dixie,sw

31 posted on 06/08/2004 9:15:25 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
the "stay-at-homes" like your family were anything but HONORABLE!

My ancestors were not "stay-at-homes." They fought for the UNION.

personal note to you: i'll match academic credentials with you anytime. what is your earned doctorate in????

Evidently yours was in the poetry of e e commungs. Or perhaps you don't have fingers.

Egad, what an immature little child.

32 posted on 06/08/2004 9:18:52 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
you seem to be a HATEFILLED scalawag too, as were your ancestors that wore the blue.

why not head up north & be among your own kind.

egad, what a DUNCE you appear to be. head back over to DU. you'll be VERY happy over there among the HATERS/LIBS/naive fools.

fyi, i type to suit me-i couldn't care less what you think of my style.

free dixie,sw

33 posted on 06/08/2004 9:24:15 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
you seem to be a HATEFILLED scalawag too, as were your ancestors that wore the blue.

why not head up north & be among your own kind.

egad, what a DUNCE you appear to be. head back over to DU. you'll be VERY happy over there among the HATERS/LIBS/naive fools.

Considering the vitriol you enjoy pouring on the dead who can't defend themselves, it is you who belong there.

fyi, i type to suit me-i couldn't care less what you think of my style.

Is that also why all your handwriting is done in crayon?

Go back to playing with your blocks and your little plastic soldiers.

34 posted on 06/08/2004 9:37:01 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

35 posted on 06/08/2004 10:07:43 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Zionist Conspirator
like i said, you belong over on DU, with the other fools, libs,scalawags & dixieHATERS.

BE GONE!

free dixie,sw

36 posted on 06/09/2004 7:40:54 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
I see that my message was received.

Can't you ever just let this subject die and "live and let live?"

You must have a lot of time on your hands now that grade school is out for the summer.

37 posted on 06/09/2004 7:48:08 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
get the message. i ENJOY abusing scalawags/libs/damnyankees/racists and other HATERS!

that is one of my MANY faults.

head over to DU. they'll REALLY like you & you'll be welcomed with open arms, as TRAITORS TO DIXIE are well-regarded by those fools/southHATERS.

free dixie,sw

38 posted on 06/09/2004 8:11:20 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
get the message. i ENJOY abusing scalawags/libs/damnyankees/racists and other HATERS!

No, you enjoy abusing the dead who can't defend themselves. You abuse me because you were told to cut it out.

that is one of my MANY faults.

You mean along with your not knowing English and your leftist belief that driving the "foreign devil" out of the "occupied homeland" will result in a utopia? National sovereignty usually just replaces one set of morons with another.

Aren't you growing tired of this childish little tantrum yet? Or are you so immature that you don't realize what you come across as?

As much as you enjoy "abusing" people, you must be in kindergarten. So go away now or i tell oo mommy on oo.

39 posted on 06/09/2004 8:36:54 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The eight words all "palaeos" fear most: HaShem shall be King over all the earth!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
you seem to be just another in a long line of hateFILLED, unionist loonies on FR, who i predict will soon be GONE.

sadly,you seem UNable to do more than throw SILLY, childish, stupid tantrums & accuse me of being childish. it is the NATURE of a scalawag to do that, just as it is the NATURE of a serpent to slither.

BEGONE to DU. you'll be very happy over there.

free dixie,sw

40 posted on 06/09/2004 9:10:05 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
"You mean along with your not knowing English and your leftist belief that driving the "foreign devil" out of the "occupied homeland" will result in a utopia? National sovereignty usually just replaces one set of morons with another."

So national sovereignty is a bad idea by your thinking. What should the US do then? Give it up to some one world government, huh, ZC? I hope for a direct answer, but expect an evasion.

BTW, one of the most common mistakes people like you make is seeing everyone's actions in terms of their own motivations that drive them. IE: wrongly assuming the rest of the world is just like oneself. The second most common mistake is failure to realize that one has become the subject of humor on a thread.
41 posted on 06/09/2004 12:41:50 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: stand watie
"sadly,you seem UNable to do more than throw SILLY, childish, stupid tantrums & accuse me of being childish. it is the NATURE of a scalawag to do that, just as it is the NATURE of a serpent to slither."

Right now I'm laughing at ZC over the fact that several days ago he said he was through posting about it. They always do that. It's apparent their nature also includes an aversion to being truthful, even in simple things like that.

Now I'm wondering which of the trolls of the DU-In-Blue gang is really "Pitcavidge" and which is really "Crawfish". :)


42 posted on 06/09/2004 12:49:49 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Wampus SC
TRUE!

free dixie,sw

43 posted on 06/09/2004 2:13:26 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: Wampus SC
i suspect that the "ZC-troll" doesn't have enough mental ability/agility to understand your post.

he/she seems only capable of tantrums & name-calling, which is fairly typical of scalawags & southHATERS.

free dixie,sw

44 posted on 06/09/2004 2:16:23 PM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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To: stand watie
"i suspect that the "ZC-troll" doesn't have enough mental ability/agility to understand your post."

Yeah, I know he can't, but that's OK. There are plenty of people able to understand the implications of *his* post. I think some true colors got shown there.
45 posted on 06/09/2004 7:49:57 PM PDT by Wampus SC
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To: Wampus SC

YEP!


46 posted on 06/10/2004 9:18:05 AM PDT by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. -T. Jefferson)
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