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Why Bush's war to remove Saddam was a 'no brainer'
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 07 2004 | Michael Barone

Posted on 06/07/2004 12:45:50 PM PDT by knighthawk

As the interim Iraqi government takes office, it is worth looking back, with the help of two recently published books, at the arguments on whether the United States should have taken military action to remove Saddam Hussein.

The ''Bush lied'' crowd keeps trumpeting that we have found no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. (We did find sarin in one shell lobbed at occupation forces.) But Bob Woodward in Plan of Attack informs us that George Tenet, who announced his resignation as CIA director last week, told President Bush that the case for Iraqi possession of WMDs was a ''slam dunk.'' That was the conclusion as well of every other competent intelligence agency in the world.

Tenet was right. Given that Saddam's Iraq had possessed weapons of mass destruction, indeed was developing nuclear weapons before the 1991 Gulf War, and given that Saddam's regime had not accounted for WMDs he had possessed, any prudent intelligence agency would have to have concluded that he still had them. Moreover, there was no evidence that could have been obtained that would have convinced a prudent intelligence agency that Saddam did not possess them. This argument wasn't made in the run-up to the war because Colin Powell and Tony Blair convinced Bush to agree to a round of United Nations inspections. But the U.N. inspectors couldn't prove that Saddam didn't have WMDs. Given his past behavior, we had no basis for concluding he didn't.

And we had no way of being sure that he would not arm al-Qaida with them. That is the conclusion of Stephen Hayes' The Connection: How Al Qaeda's Collaboration With Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America.

As Tenet testified in October 2002, there were contacts going back to the early 1990s between agents of al-Qaida and Saddam's Iraq. Richard Clarke, when he served in the Clinton administration, said the same thing, as did many others in the Clinton administration. Czech officials believe that Sept. 11 hijacker Muhammad Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague in August 2001. Hayes also reveals that in January 2000, Ahmed Hikmat Shakir, acting under orders from Iraqi intelligence, accompanied two of the Sept. 11 hijackers to a meeting in Malaysia that the CIA has concluded was a planning session for the assault on the USS Cole and the Sept. 11 attacks.

As Hayes is careful to note, some of the evidence of Iraq-al-Qaida ties is questionable. Intelligence evidence often is. But it is interesting that many who criticize Bush for not ''connecting the dots'' before Sept. 11 are also criticizing those who connect the dots on Iraq-al-Qaida ties. These critics seem to believe that Saddam's regime should have been considered innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. But foreign policy is not bound by the rules of a criminal court, and Saddam's previous behavior entitled us to regard him as guilty until proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt.

So put yourself in the position of Bush in late 2002 and early 2003. You must assume that Saddam has or can produce weapons of mass destruction. And you know that Iraqi agents have met with al-Qaida operatives. You know that both Iraq and al-Qaida want to inflict maximum damage on the United States. So the only way to protect the United States is to eliminate the regime of Saddam Hussein. It was, as Hayes said at an American Enterprise Institute panel last week, a ''no brainer.''

It is interesting to ponder what those who continue to insist that ''Bush lied'' and that there was no danger from collusion between al-Qaida and Saddam would have said if Bill Clinton had done what Bush did in Iraq -- which is consistent with much of Clinton's rhetoric. Almost certainly they would have agreed, as some of them did in the Clinton years, that there was a danger from Iraqi WMDs and Iraqi collaboration with al-Qaida. That they take the opposite view now is evidence not that they are right but that they are filled with partisan venom.

Michael Barone is a senior writer with U.S. News & World Report and principal co-author of The Almanac of American Politics.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alqaedaandiraq; bush; michaelbarone; prewarintelligence; saddam; suntimes

1 posted on 06/07/2004 12:45:53 PM PDT by knighthawk
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To: MizSterious; rebdov; Nix 2; green lantern; BeOSUser; Brad's Gramma; dreadme; Turk2; keri; ...

Ping


2 posted on 06/07/2004 12:46:22 PM PDT by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: knighthawk

In 5 years this take will be convential wisdom.


3 posted on 06/07/2004 12:49:46 PM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: knighthawk

Like the proverbial blind pig and acorn, the mainstream press allows reason to triumph liberal sentiment. Thanks for the post.


4 posted on 06/07/2004 12:50:12 PM PDT by JeeperFreeper
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To: knighthawk
Barone makes no mention of the 10 years we spent bombing Iraq before our decision to invade, or the silly inspections - the combination of the two would seem to have been a serious impediment to a large-scale weapons program.

He also does not ponder the tenuous connection a bunch of religious zealots might have with a secular tyrant.

And the "what if Clinton said it" point seems another argument entirely.

One can certainly make the case that we had to invade Iraq. Was the speed with which we went to war a 'no-brainer' though?
5 posted on 06/07/2004 1:00:16 PM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: knighthawk

Bump. We all need to be talking up this book, and buying it to get it up the charts.


6 posted on 06/07/2004 1:01:07 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: Egregious Philbin
Was the speed with which we went to war a 'no-brainer' though?

What should we have been waiting for?

7 posted on 06/07/2004 1:07:04 PM PDT by Califelephant (What they did to Nick Berg, they want to do to you and me.)
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To: Egregious Philbin
Was the speed with which we went to war a 'no-brainer' though?

Waiting 12 years seems quick to you?

What would further waiting have gained?

8 posted on 06/07/2004 1:07:07 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: knighthawk
As usual, Michael Barone is spot on with his analysis.

I'm pleased that he is still a Fox news contributor; his knowledge of electoral politics is unsurpassed.

9 posted on 06/07/2004 1:10:40 PM PDT by TonyInOhio (Everything I needed to know about politics I learned From Ronald Reagan.)
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To: knighthawk

Just small factual correction: The shell containing the sarin/sarin mixture wasn't lobbed at coalition forces, it was rigged as part of a roadside bomb.


10 posted on 06/07/2004 1:11:00 PM PDT by Gid_29
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To: Egregious Philbin
Regarding your statement: He also does not ponder the tenuous connection a bunch of religious zealots might have with a secular tyrant.

It is, of course, conjecture that Saddam Hussein was, in fact, "secular". The guy was building mosques left and right, and if anything, a late in life Mafia Don is a more appropriate comparison than "secular tyrant".

Seems to me that one of the things Saddam is going to be remembered for a few centuries from now is his construction of mosques. Specialists in Mesopotamia will also recall he rebuilt significant portions of the old city of Babylon.

So, Barone was probably correct in simply passing this part on by.

11 posted on 06/07/2004 1:13:38 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Semper Paratus

I think it will be conventional wisdom in about five months, as I suspect (or hope) there will be something of a formal report out of the Administration on Saddam's WMD program, and connections with al-Qaeda prior to the election.


12 posted on 06/07/2004 1:16:20 PM PDT by My2Cents (Godspeed, President Reagan....And thank you.)
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To: knighthawk

The "Bush lied to trick us into going to war" crowd have failed to supply a reasonable motive for Bush doing so. If it was for purely political gain, it absolutely doesn't make sense. An Iraq war was, and is, a very risky political undertaking. No guarantee of a positive outcome within GWB's political time frame of 1 & 1/2 years. Politicians don't make moves like these with such an low potential payback and huge downside risks if their motive is political gain.


13 posted on 06/07/2004 1:18:19 PM PDT by ghost of nixon
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To: knighthawk
Arresting bin laden either of the two times he was handed over to clinton was a no-brainer too. Perhaps if he could have let go of Monica and his johnson long enough, 9/11 would have never happened, and we might not be in Iraq.

What the hey! The "hate Bush" crowd talks in "ifs" and "maybes"...so can I.
14 posted on 06/07/2004 1:20:35 PM PDT by FrankR
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To: Egregious Philbin

What speed??

This war took 9 months to start...What speed??


15 posted on 06/07/2004 1:23:18 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: ghost of nixon

Not true. I know some serious Bush-haters and they think Bush had it out for Saddam because he tried to kill his Daddy; the neo-cons wanted Iraq neutered to help protect Israel; and Cheney wanted Halliburton to get all the oil contracts. They are totally serious too. Some of them are so nutty they even think Bush plotted the 9/11 attacks so he could justify invading Iraq!


16 posted on 06/07/2004 1:24:29 PM PDT by Dems_R_Losers (Al Gore is Chief Loser))
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To: knighthawk
Kerry & company were forced by Howard Dean to take the wrong side of the issue on Iraq. The truth is filtering through the Old Media screens and within 4 months everyone will agree that Bush's Iraq policy was/is correct.

That's why Kerry is taking off a week to work on his new foreign policy positions. He's trying to find a way to make himself appear to be a stronger leader than Bush. "Let France and Germany do it" just won't work any longer.

Maybe a photo op of Kerry wearing a 10 gallon hat and Gucci cowboy boots while riding a steer.

17 posted on 06/07/2004 1:27:23 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry has no track record in negotiating with foreign nations, nor does Sec of State Sharpton)
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To: knighthawk

bump for later


18 posted on 06/07/2004 1:32:58 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney for '04.)
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To: Califelephant; bondjamesbond; RaceBannon
Certainly an argument can be made that we had to remove Saddam, but Barone fails to mention 10 years of sanctions, inspections, and bombing - all of which did a good job of containing Saddam (even if the inspections were ineffectual and/or for show). Considering these things - what was the rush?

Waiting would have allowed us to better plan our exit strategy and reconsider our intelligence. We could've had more armor for our troops, more troops available, more foreign troops for support (though we might've lost support by waiting too...) I guess i'm advocating tempering the "Rumsfeld doctrine" with a bit of the "Powell doctrine."

Perhaps i'm wrong. I have read many mostly convincing arguments that removing Saddam was necessary, but I have read no arguments that have convinced me the speed with which we went to war was necessary.
19 posted on 06/07/2004 1:50:49 PM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: muawiyah
It is, of course, conjecture that Saddam Hussein was, in fact, "secular".

As evidenced in the thread "Saddam Torture Videos Viewed by Congress":

On the tape, versus from the Koran are quoted. There is a line about how this is being done in the name of Allah, and in another part, one of Saddam's soldiers explains what is about to happen to the next victim, who is about to have his arm cut off.

20 posted on 06/07/2004 1:54:41 PM PDT by ravingnutter
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To: Egregious Philbin

If we had taken more time to plan and consider our exit strategy, etc, it would have just been a thicker and more well-considered plan that was thrown out the window at the first sound of gunfire. There is no reason to think that the plans made would have been improved by further consideration.

Of course, for my part, I consider the planning to be pretty darn good. We have liberated a country of 25 Million people with fewer that 1,000 battle casualties to date. This has to be one of the most lobsided victories in the history of warfare. Of course every soldier is precious, but it is unrealistic to think that we were not going to lose thousands of men in this endeavor.


21 posted on 06/07/2004 2:05:55 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Egregious Philbin; Califelephant; bondjamesbond

You have to be kidding, right?? WAIT MORE??

We Contained Saddam??

Many of these links are probably duplicates, but let me add my list to this one as well:

We know Saddam worked with the PLO and other terrorists, he funded them. He at LEAST knew that 9/11 was coming.

Less than two months before 9/11/01, the state-controlled Iraqi newspaper “Al-Nasiriya” carried a column headlined, “American, an Obsession called Osama Bin Ladin.” (July 21, 2001)

In the piece, Baath Party writer Naeem Abd Muhalhal predicted that bin Laden would attack the US “with the seriousness of the Bedouin of the desert about the way he will try to bomb the Pentagon after he destroys the White House.”

The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
(Link below)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1

List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1

Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

The AQ connection (excellent):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2

Western Nightmare:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam's link to OBL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts

Document linking them:
http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297

Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts

Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html

Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts

Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts

No Question About It, National Review, September 2003
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts

Free Republic Thread that mentions so me books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8

The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm

Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003

Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts

A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:
http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html

Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm

Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp

CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml

Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746225/posts

The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts

The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp

Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts

Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts

Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts

The same state-approved column also insisted that bin Laden “will strike America on the arm that is already hurting,” and that the US “will curse the memory of Frank Sinatra every time he hears his songs” – an apparent reference to the Sinatra classic, “New York, New York”.
(Link below)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1

List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1

Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

The AQ connection (excellent):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2

Western Nightmare:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam's link to OBL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts

Document linking them:
http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297

Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it:
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

A federal judge rules there are links:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts

Iraq and Iran contact OBL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts

More evidence:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Saddam's AQ connection:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

Further connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

What a court of law said about the connections:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm

Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts

Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1097521/posts?page=1

Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115387/posts

Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/

The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)
http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html

Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts

Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact

Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016

Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts

Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html

Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts

Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts

Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts

No Question About It, National Review, September 2003
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts

Free Republic Thread that mentions so me books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8

The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm

Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003

Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts

A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:
http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html

Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm

Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp

CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml

Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746225/posts

The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts

The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp

Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts

Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts

Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts

Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact

UN Oil for food scandal seen as Iraq tie to Al Qaeda (June 2003):
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts

Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016

Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts

Richard Clarke used to believe in an Iraq/AQ connection:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2097901/

List of newspaper article in the 90's which mention the world's concern regarding the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/946809/posts?page=1

Son of Saddam coordinates OBL activities:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

The AQ connection (excellent):
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2

Western Nightmare:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam's link to OBL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

NYT: Iraq and AQ agree to cooperate:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts

Document linking them:
http://tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml?Element_ID=34908297

Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it:
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

A federal judge rules there are links:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts

Iraq and Iran contact OBL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts

More evidence:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Saddam's AQ connection:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

Further connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

What a court of law said about the connections:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm

Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts?page=2

Colin Powell - SADDAM WORKED WITH AL QAEDA FOR YEARS:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/

Found the the link and quote from the Iraqi newspaper pre 9/11:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1106657/posts?page=1



Iraq and terrorism - no doubt about it:
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

A federal judge rules there are links:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Wall Street Journal on Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987129/posts

Iraq and Iran contact OBL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/981055/posts

More evidence:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Saddam's AQ connection:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

Further connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

What a court of law said about the connections:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm

Some miscellaneous stuff on connections:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

Saddam's Ambassador to Al Qaeda: (February 2004, Weekly Standard)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1083778/posts

Yes - it's NewsMax but loaded with interesting bullet points.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1097521/posts?page=1

Saddam's Fingerprints on NY Bombing (Wall Street Journal, June 1993)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1115387/posts

Colin Powell: Iraq and AQ Partners for Years (CNN, February 2003)
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/02/05/sprj.irq.alqaeda.links/

The Iraq-Al Qaeda Connections (September 2003, Richard Miniter)
http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html

Oil for Food Scandal Ties Iraq and Al Qaeda (June 2003)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125899/posts

Saddam and OBL Make a Pact (The New Yorker, February 2003):
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030210fa_fact

Al Qaeda's Poison Gas (Wall Street Journal, April 2004):
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005016

Wolfowitz Says Saddam behind 9/11 Attacks:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921398/posts

Saddam behind first WTC attack - PBS, Laurie Mylroie:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html

Growing Evidence of Saddam and Al Qaeda Link, The Weekly Standard, July 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/946997/posts

Qusay Hussein Coordinated Iraq special operations with Bin Laden Terrorist Activities, Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

The Western Nightmare: Saddam and Bin Laden vs. the Rest of the World, The Guardian Unlimited:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam Link to Bin Laden, Julian Borger, The Guardian, February 1999
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

The Al Qaeda Connection, The Weekly Standard, July 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/944617/posts

Cheney lectures Russert on Iraq/911 Link, September 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982713/posts

No Question About It, National Review, September 2003
http://www.nationalreview.com/robbins/robbins091903.asp

Iraq: A Federal Judges Point of View
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/986293/posts

Mohammed's Account links Iraq to 9/11 and OKC:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/987075/posts

Free Republic Thread that mentions so me books Freepers might be interested in on this topic:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/977221/posts?page=8

The Proof that Saddam Worked with AQ, The Telegraph, April 2003:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F04%2F27%2Fwalq27.xml

Saddam's AQ Connection, The Weekly Standard, September 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/969032/posts

September 11 Victims Sue Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2237332.stm

Osama's Best Friend: The Further Connections Between Al Qaeda and Saddam, The Weekly Standard, November 2003

Terrorist Behind 9/11 Attacks Trained by Saddam, The Telegraph, December 2003
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007969/posts

James Woolsey Links Iraq and AQ, CNN Interview, March 2004, Also see Posts #34 and #35
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1104121/posts

A Geocities Interesting Web Site with maps and connections:
http://www.geocities.com/republican_strategist/Iraq-Bin-Laden.html

Bin Laden indicted in federal court, read down to find information that Bin Laden agreed to not attack Iraq and to work cooperatively with Iraq:
http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm

Case Closed, The Weekly Standard, November 03
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp

CBS - Lawsuit: Iraq involved in 9/11:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/05/september11/main520874.shtml

Exploring Iraq's Involvement in pre-9/11 Acts, The Indianapolis Star:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/746225/posts

The Iraq/AQ Connection: Richard Minister again
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/989201/posts

Militia Defector says Baghdad trained Al Qaeda fighters in chemical weapons, July 2002
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts

The Clinton View of Iraq/AQ Ties, The Weekly Standard, December 2003
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/527uwabl.asp

Saddam Controlled the Camps (Iraq/AQ Ties): The London Observer, November 01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/741676/posts

Saddam's Terror Ties that Critics Ignore, National Review, October 2003:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1005579/posts

Tape Shows General Wesley Clark linking Iraq and AQ:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1056113/posts

Freeper list of links between AQ and Iraq:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850346/posts

Salman Pak (Aviation Weekly)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/865435/posts

Saddam/911 Link (FrontPage Magazine, Laurie Mylroie, May 2004):
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1133317/posts

Bush says Zarqawi killed Berg, cites Saddam ties (Reuters, May 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1136076/posts

Freeper list of links between AQ and Iraq:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/850346/posts

Salman Pak (Aviation Weekly)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/865435/posts

Iraq's WMD have been found:
http://www.insightmag.com/news/2004/05/11/World/Investigative.Reportsaddams.Wmd.Have.Been.Found-670120.shtml

Another freeper resource - list of links between OBL and Saddam:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838309/posts

The Connections (May 2004, The Weekly Standard)
New Information:http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1144123/posts?page=11

Saddam's role in 9/11. (Freeper book, May 2004)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1144699/posts?page=5

NewsMax reports on WSJ article last week regarding the Iraq/OBL connections. Post #33 is spot on why the administration has chosen not to capitalize on this matter, and to their detriment.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1144012/posts?page=53

Entire link and Post #5 - Clinton mentioned how AQ was developing a relationship with Iraq.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1145787/posts

The House of Representatives read into the congressional record the ties that Saddam had to Osama bin Laden (read down and open links in the record): June 2004
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/B?r108:@FIELD(FLD003+h)+@FIELD(DDATE+20040601)

The Terrorist behind 9/11 was trained by Saddam (The Telegraph, 12/03)
http://freerepublic.com/focus/news/1146356/posts?page=1







Saddam's connections to bin Laden/al-Qaeda/911

Excerpts from 60 articles with links provided to each of the original articles

“. . . prosecuting the informational battle in the War on Terrorism is not like prosecuting a Mafia don, which typically requires rock-solid exhibits such as wiretap intercepts, hidden-camera footage, DNA samples, and the testimony of deep-cover “Mob rats.” On the contrary, it is important to emphasize, as strongly as possible, that the United States need not—and in fact should not—hold itself to courtroom standards of evidence except when appearing before domestic or international judges. The administration merely has to demonstrate its claims and refute those of its opponents, not convict Saddam Hussein before a jury of his peers. . . . The appropriate standard of evidence . . . is not that of a trial, but rather that of a hearing on whether a criminal suspect should be indicted. In this respect, the “prosecution” definitely has a prima facie case that Hussein’s Iraq indeed was a haven for terrorists until the moment U.S. troops invaded.” – Deroy Murdock

Frontpagemag.com

The Saddam-9/11 Link Confirmed
By Laurie Mylroie
FrontPageMagazine.com | May 11, 2004

As Epstein now reports, Czech authorities have discovered that al-Ani’s appointment calendar shows a scheduled meeting on April 8, 2001 with a "Hamburg student."
That is exactly what the Czechs had been saying since shortly after 9/11: Atta, a long-time student at Germany’s Hamburg-Harburg Technical University, met with al-Ani on April 8, 2001. Indeed, when Atta earlier applied for a visa to visit the Czech Republic, he identified himself as a “Hamburg student.” The discovery of the notation in al-Ani’s appointment calendar about a meeting with a “Hamburg student” provides critical corroboration of the Czech claim. America’s leading lights, including those in government responsible for dealing with terrorism and with Iraq, made a mammoth blunder. They failed to recognize that starting with the first assault on New York’s World Trade Center, Iraq was working with Islamic militants to attack the United States. This failure left the country vulnerable on September 11, 2001.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13323


Newsmax.com

Tuesday, March 23, 2004 10:10 p.m. EST

[Richard] Clarke: Iraq Teamed Up With bin Laden to Produce WMDs

. . . reporters aren't talking about the chapter of "Against All Enemies" that describes how Osama bin Laden cooperated with Iraqi scientists to make weapons of mass destruction - a development that, if true, would more than justify President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq.

In his book, [Richard] Clarke describes how the Clinton CIA determined in 1996 that Sudan's Shifa chemical plant, which was allegedly bankrolled by bin Laden, was producing the chemical EMPTA.

"EMPTA is a compound that had been used as a prime ingredient in Iraqi nerve gas," writes Clarke. "It has no other known use, nor had any other nation employed EMPTA to our knowledge for any purpose."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/23/221155.shtml



Global Security.org

December 14, 2002 - 14:05

Salman Pak / Al Salman

Former Iraqi military officers have described a highly secret terrorist training facility at Salman Pak, where both Iraqis and non-Iraqi Arabs receive training on hijacking planes and trains, planting explosives in cities, sabotage, and assassinations.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/salman_pak.htm



Photos Prove Connection Between Iraq and Al-Qaeda Terrorists

March 14, 2003

About 20 minutes before show time, we posted satellite imagery of Salman Pak - home of the terrorist training center in Iraq we've been telling you about. I want to thank Gary Napier and his whole staff from Space Imaging, Inc. for these images from their IKONOS satellite.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/cold/photos_prove_connection_between_iraq_and_al_qaedaterrorists.guest.html



Newsmax.com

Monday, Jan. 26, 2004 11:16 a.m. EST

Case for Iraq War Stronger Than Ever

U.S. satellite photos confirming the existence of a Boeing 707 fuselage that Khodada and his partner say was used as a hijacking classroom. U.N. weapons inspector Charles Duelfer, who was tapped on Friday to succeed David Kay, corroborated their account.

A May 7, 2003, decision by Manhattan U.S. District Judge Harold Baer, . . . The account of former CIA Director Woolsey, whose testimony was summarized by Judge Baer thusly:

"Director Woolsey described the existence of a highly secure military facility in Iraq where non-Iraqi fundamentalists [e.g., Egyptians and Saudis] are trained in airplane hijacking and other forms of terrorism. Through satellite imagery and the testimony of three Iraqi defectors, plaintiffs demonstrated the existence of this facility, called Salman Pak, which has an airplane but no runway."

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/26/120224.shtml



FreeRepublic

Proof of Iraq/Bin Laden links
Weekend Austrailian ^ |

November 04, 2001 | From AFP

. . . A former Iraqi special forces officer has given new proof of links between Islamic extremist Osama bin Laden and Iraq, Italy's La Repubblica newspaper reported on Saturday . . . The newspaper said that the former officer told of a training camp called Salman Pak in Iraq where members of bin Laden's terror network had trained as pilots and on how to seize control of aircraft. Musawi said that the former officer told him: "There were also women pilots who were trained and I believe that the next time, if there is a next time, it could be a woman who takes over an airplane."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/563841/posts



PBS

Nov. 6, 2001

PBS interview with Iraqi Lt. General:

This general served Saddam Hussein for decades. Along with another Iraqi defector, Sabah Khodada (see below), the general tells of terrorists training in a Boeing 707 resting next to railroad tracks on the edge of Salman Pak, an area south of Baghdad. The existence of the plane has been confirmed by U.N. inspectors.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/general.html



PBS

Oct. 14, 2001

PBS interview with Sabah Khodada:

A captain in the Iraqi army from 1982 to 1992, he worked at what he describes as a highly secret terrorist training camp at Salman Pak

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/khodada.html



PBS

October 18, 2001

PBS interview with Laurie Mylorie:

Well, Jim Fox, then head of the New York FBI himself believed that Iraq was behind the Trade Center bombing. Why? Because he recognized that the Muslim extremists were not capable of carrying out this plot on their own. There was something major behind it. Two, there were Iraqis all around the fringe of the plot. One of those Iraqis, Abdul Rachman Yasin, came from Baghdad before the bombing, returned to Baghdad afterwards.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/gunning/interviews/mylroie.html



Al Qaeda was trained in Iraqi terror camps

Febuary 13, 2003

GWYNNE ROBERTS

Sunday Times of London

EVIDENCE is now emerging of a shadowy military alliance between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden which involves training al Qaeda fighters to use chemical and biological weapons in sabotage operations in Europe and the United States.

US claims of a direct link between bin Laden and Saddam have fallen on deaf ears in Europe. But an investigation I conducted for PBS, the American state broadcaster, reveals such a connection really exists. . . . The first hint that something unusual was happening was picked up in 1997 by Jane's Intelligence Review. It reported that Saudi and Palestinian dissidents were being trained in Iraq at secret camps run by a Iraqi military intelligence group known as Unit 999. . . . In 1994, Unit 999 also started training Saddam's Fedayeen, a brutal militia. Abu Mohammed, who fled to Turkey three years ago, told me that in 1997 and 1998 Islamic extremists were being instructed to use poison gas and biological weapons in behind-the-lines operations in the Middle East and the West. Unit 999 ran a course for a number of extremist Middle Eastern groups, including al Qaeda. . . . Mohammed said a year later he attended another training course at Salman Pak and Unit 999 where he encountered al Qaeda fighters.

"There was also training in the use of biological and chemical weapons there but they were not Iraqis doing it - only foreigners. In the training areas there is a field especially for weapons of mass destruction. Here, experts hold lectures and conduct biological experiments, theoretical experiments, of course, on how to place explosives, or how to pollute specific areas."

Mohammed added: "They had maps of the USA, Britain, Turkey, Iran and Saudi Arabia."

Gwynne Roberts is an Iraq specialist and documentary film maker

http://www.intelmessages.org/Messages/National_Security/wwwboard/messages_02/3819.html



FreeRepublic

Militia defector claims Baghdad trained Al-Qaeda fighters in chemical warfare

Gwynne Roberts in Ankara

Sunday Times (London); Overseas news; News; 23

July 14, 2002, Sunday

Mohammed said he was recruited into Saddam's Fedayeen in 1997 and trained at two secret facilities - at Salman Pak, southeast of Baghdad, and at the Unit 999 camp, northwest of the Iraqi capital. His first encounter with Bin Laden's fighters occurred at Salman Pak when he was on an induction course to become a Fedayeen officer, he said.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/743892/posts#comment



MEMRI

October 17, 2003 No.592

Iraqi Daily: Saddam Ordered Training of Al-Qa'ida Members

The independent Iraqi weekly Al-Yawm Al-Aakher reveals details on the training of Al-Qa'ida members operating under the orders of Saddam's Presidential Palace two months before the September 11 attacks. The following are excerpts from the article:

http://memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?Page=archives&Area=sd&ID=SP59203



Weekly Standard:

Intel Report Links Saddam, Usama

Saturday, November 15, 2003

by Stephen F. Hayes

Usama bin Laden (search) and Saddam Hussein (search) had an operational relationship from the early 1990s to 2003 that involved training in explosives and weapons of mass destruction, logistical support for terrorist attacks, Al Qaeda training camps and safe haven in Iraq, and Iraqi financial support for Al Qaeda - perhaps even for Mohamed Atta - according to a top secret U.S. government memorandum obtained by The Weekly Standard.

The memo, dated October 27, 2003, was sent from Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith (search) to Senators Pat Roberts and Jay Rockefeller, the chairman and vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103176,00.html



NYPOST.COM

Intelligence Report Links Saddam, Usama

Sunday, November 16, 2003

Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein (search) gave terror lord Usama bin Laden's thugs financial and logistical support, offering Al Qaeda (search) money, training and haven for more than a decade, it was reported yesterday.

Their deadly collaboration — which may have included the bombing of the USS Cole (search) and the 9/11 attacks — is revealed in a 16-page memo to the Senate Intelligence Committee (search) that cites reports from a variety of domestic and foreign spy agencies compiled by multiple sources,

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103163,00.html



Terror-tied by memo

By Frank J. Gaffney Jr.
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
Published November 18, 2003

The unavoidable conclusion: Saddam Hussein's regime had been guilty as charged -- tied for more than a decade to Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network (among other terrorist groups) for the purpose of waging attacks on their mutual foe, the United States.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/commentary/20031117-085555-9545r.htm



March 18, 2002

Protecting Saddam

By WILLIAM SAFIRE

The New York Times
WASHINGTON — Soviet propagandists used to touch up photographs to remove the face of a Kremlin official who had fallen from favor, making him a "nonperson." The same disinformation technique is now being used to wipe out the fact of a meeting in Prague in April, 2001 — five months before the Sept. 11 attacks on the U.S. — between Mohamed Atta, the leading Qaeda hijacker, and Ahmed al-Ani, the Iraqi consul in Prague, who was Saddam Hussein's intelligence case officer there.

On solid evidence: The Czech intelligence agency, B.I.S., had the Iraqi embassy spy in Prague under constant visual and wiretap surveillance . . . Three months ago, after the absolve-Saddam campaign began to cast doubt on the report of the Atta-al Ani meeting at the Prague airport, Interior Minister Stanislav Gross issued a statement that "B.I.S. guarantees the information, so we stick by that information." No backing away; on the contrary, strong reaffirmation.

On corroboration of the evidence that Atta flew 7,000 miles, from Virginia Beach to Prague and back to Florida (his third trip to Prague in a year): The F.B.I. has car-rental and other records that Atta left for Prague on April 8, 2001, and returned on April 11. The B.I.S. report of the meeting that Saddam's case officer had with the suicide hijacker fell precisely within those dates. Czech intelligence, in identifying al-Ani's contact as Atta, had no knowledge of the F.B.I.'s evidence that independently corroborates Atta's brief presence in Prague.

On C.I.A. assessment of the evidence: James Risen reported in The New York Times last month that while not enough evidence ties Saddam specifically to Sept. 11, "senior American intelligence officials have concluded that the meeting between Mr. Atta and the Iraqi officer, Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani, did take place."

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30713F73C5C0C7B8DDDAA0894DA404482



UN envoy confirms terrorist meeting
Kmonicek says Al-Ani, Atta spoke in Prague
By Frank Griffiths
FOR THE POST

June 5, 2002
The Czech envoy to the UN has confirmed that an Iraqi agent met with suspected Sept. 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta, in the latest rebuke to widespread U.S. media reports dismissing the Prague encounter as a fabrication.
"The meeting took place," Hynek Kmonicek, a former deputy foreign minister, told The Prague Post flatly in a New York City interview . . . The rendezvous between the al-Qaida operative and the Iraqi intelligence agent was confirmed by Prime Minister Milos Zeman . . . But Kmonicek, a government official with top security clearance, was adamant that al-Ani and Atta met in April 2001, as Czech officials have stated repeatedly.

. . . Kmonicek said the Czech government collected detailed evidence of the al-Ani/Atta meeting, but declined to elaborate on the nature of the evidence. . . .

http://www.praguepost.com/P02/2002/20605/news1a.php



'Saddam controlled the camp’

The Iraqi connection

Sunday November 11, 2001
The Observer
As evidence linking Iraqi intelligence to the 11 September hijackers begins to emerge, David Rose gathers testimony from former Baghdad agents and the CIA to reveal the secrets of Saddam's terror training camp.

Zeinab and Khodad said the Salman Pak students practised their techniques in a Boeing 707 fuselage parked in the foreigners' part of the camp. Yesterday their story received important corroboration from Charles Duelfer, former vice chairman of Unscom, the UN weapons inspection team. Duelfer said he visited Salman Pak several times, landing by helicopter. He saw the 707, in exactly the place described by the defectors.

. . . Abu Amin . . . he is one of Iraq's most highly decorated intelligence officers . . . who then went on to a senior post in the unit known as 'M8' - the department for 'special operations', such as sabotage, terrorism and murder. This is the man, Colonel Muhammed Khalil Ibrahim al-Ani, whom Mohamed Atta flew halfway across the world to meet in Prague last April, five months before piloting his hijacked aircraft into the World Trade Centre.

Evidence is mounting that this meeting was not an isolated event. The Observer has learnt that Atta's talks with al-Ani were only one of several apparent links between Iraq, the 11 September hijackers and Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network. Senior US intelligence sources say the CIA has 'credible information' that in the spring of this year, at least two other members of the hijacking team also met known Iraqi intelligence agents outside the United States. They are believed to be Atta's closest associates and co-leaders, Marwan al-Shehri and Ziad Jarrah, the other two members of the 'German cell ' who lived with Atta in Hamburg in the late 1990s.

In the strongest official statement to date alleging Iraqi involvement in the new wave of anti-Western terrorism, on Friday night Milos Zeman, the Czech Prime Minister, told reporters and Colin Powell, the US Secretary of State, that the Czech authorities believed Atta and al-Ani met expressly to discuss a bombing.

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,6903,591439,00.html



MSN

Prague Revisted

The evidence of an Iraq/al-Qaida connetion hasn’t gone away.

By Edward Jay Epstein

Updated Wednesday, Nov. 19, 2003

Atta's business appeared to be extremely time sensitive and specific to May 30. When Atta learned in Hamburg that his Czech visa would not be ready until May 31, he nevertheless flew on May 30 to the Prague International Airport, where he would not be allowed to go beyond the transit lounge. Although a large part of this area is surveiled by cameras, he managed to spend all but a few minutes out of their range. After some six hours, he then caught a flight back to Hamburg. >From this visaless round trip, Czech intelligence inferred that Atta had a meeting on May 30 that could not wait, even a day and that whoever arranged it was probably familiar with the transit lounge's surveillance. Finally, the BIS determined that the Prague connection was not limited to a single appointment since Atta returned to Prague by bus on June 2 (now with visa BONN200005260024), and, after a brief wait in the bus station, disappeared for nearly 20 hours before catching a flight to the United States.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2091354/



NRO

March 17, 2003 1:45 p.m.
Disarmament Not Good Enough
Getting rid of Saddam.

Deroy Murdock

A 9/11 CONNECTION?
According to Michael Ledeen's book, The War Against the Terror Masters, September 11 ring leader Mohamed Atta flew from Virginia Beach to Prague on April 7, 2001. The next day, he met with an Iraqi diplomat and suspected spy named Ahmed Khalil Ibrahim Samir Al-Ani in Prague. On April 9, Ledeen writes, Atta flew home to Florida. "Less than two weeks later he opened an account at the Sun Bank in Florida, and $100,000 was transferred into that account from an unknown money-changer in the Persian Gulf." That April 22, Czech officials expelled Al-Ani for "engaging in activities beyond his diplomatic duties," namely surveilling Radio Free Europe's Prague headquarters.

http://www.nationalreview.com/murdock/murdock031703.asp



Edward Jay Epstein

Ask Ed

Question:

What is the status of the meeting in Prague between September 11th hijacker Mohamed Atta and Iraqi embassy intelligence officer, Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir Al-Ani?

Answer:

The basic information has not changed: Czech counter intelligence determined that an Iraqi official under its surveillance met Atta in April 2001. The interpretation of it, however, has undergone a number of vacillations. Here is the chronology:

http://edwardjayepstein.com/2002question/prague.htm



Newsmax.com

Intelligence Bombshell: Saddam Financed Lead 9/11 Hijacker

Saturday, Nov. 15, 2003 10:44 a.m. EST

In a startling about-face for U.S. intelligence officials, a bombshell memo released by the Senate Intelligence Committee late Friday draws a direct link between Saddam Hussein and the 9/11 attacks, citing evidence that Iraqi intelligence bankrolled lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta in the months leading up to the worst terrorist attack ever on U.S. soil.

The previously secret 16-page memo, prepared by the CIA and other U.S. intelligence agencies, says Atta met as many as four times in Prague with Iraqi intelligence agent Ahmed al Ani prior to the 9/11 attacks.

In a staggering revelation, which offers an overwhelming and compelling justification for the U.S. attack on Iraq, the CIA memo says that, during one of these meetings, al Ani "ordered the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] finance officer to issue Atta funds from IIS financial holdings in the Prague office."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/11/15/111243.shtml



Newsmax.com

Sunday, Oct. 6, 2002; 10:31 a.m. EDT

Gephardt: 'Lots Of' Intelligence Ties Iraq to Al-Qaeda

House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Mo., said Sunday that he'd seen "lots of intelligence" that ties Saddam Hussein's regime in Baghdad to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terrorist network.

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2002/10/6/102835



Does this link Saddam to 9/11?
(Filed: 14/12/2003)

London Telegraph

However, the tantalising detail provided in the intelligence document uncovered by Iraq's interim government suggests that Atta's involvement with Iraqi intelligence may well have been far deeper than has hitherto been acknowledged.

Written in the neat, precise hand of Tahir Jalil Habbush al-Tikriti, the former head of the Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) and one of the few named in the US government's pack of cards of most-wanted Iraqis not to have been apprehended, the personal memo to Saddam is signed by Habbush in distinctive green ink.

Headed simply "Intelligence Items", and dated July 1, 2001, it is addressed: "To the President of the Ba'ath Revolution Party and President of the Republic, may God protect you."

The first paragraph states that "Mohammed Atta, an Egyptian national, came with Abu Ammer (an Arabic nom-de-guerre - his real identity is unknown) and we hosted him in Abu Nidal's house at al-Dora under our direct supervision.

"We arranged a work programme for him for three days with a team dedicated to working with him . . . He displayed extraordinary effort and showed a firm commitment to lead the team which will be responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy."

There is nothing in the document that provides any clue to the identity of the "targets", although Iraqi officials say it is a coded reference to the September 11 attacks.

http://www.sundaytelegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=%2Fnews%2F2003%2F12%2F14%2Fwterr114.xml&secureRefresh=true&_requestid=25102



Newsmax.com

Monday, Jan. 26, 2004 11:16 a.m. EST

Case for Iraq War Stronger Than Ever

A memo from Iraqi intelligence uncovered by the London Sunday Telegraph last month stating that lead 9/11 hijacker Mohamed Atta had completed his training regimen in Baghdad under the tutelage of notorious Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal. The memo was dated just two months before the World Trade Center attacks.

In one passage, the Iraqi intelligence chief reportedly informs Saddam that Atta had demonstrated his capability as leader of the team "responsible for attacking the targets that we have agreed to destroy."

A Wall Street Journal report linking Flight 93 hijacker Ziad Jarrah to Abu Nidal, who had reportedly helped train his 9/11 partner Mohamed Atta.

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/26/120224.shtml



Document links Saddam, bin Laden

Wednesday, 06/25/03

By GILBERT S. MERRITT
For The Tennessean

Through an unusual set of circumstances, I have been given documentary evidence of the names and positions of the 600 closest people in Iraq to Saddam Hussein, as well as his ongoing relationship with Osama bin Laden. . . .

So today he brought me the proof, and there is no doubt in my mind that he is right.

The document shows that an Iraqi intelligence officer, Abid Al-Karim Muhamed Aswod, assigned to the Iraq embassy in Pakistan, is ''responsible for the coordination of activities with the Osama bin Laden group.''

The document shows that it was written over the signature of Uday Saddam Hussein, the son of Saddam Hussein. The story of how the document came about is as follows. . . .

http://www.tennessean.com/nation-world/archives/03/06/34908297.shtml



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,86153,00.html



NewsMax.com

Monday, March 15, 2004 7:24 AM EST

Report: Saddam Harbored Terrorists Who Killed Americans

Saddam Hussein supplied financial support, training and shelter for an array of deadly terrorist organizations right up until the onset of the Iraq war a year ago, including such notorious groups as Hamas, Ansar al-Islam, the Palestinian Liberation Front, the Abu Nidal Organization and the Arab Liberation Front, according to a comprehensive report released by the Hudson Institute.

Titled "Saddam's Philanthropy of Terror," the report details the role played by terrorists supported by Saddam's regime in an array of infamous attacks that have killed hundreds of American citizens both inside and outside the U.S. before and after the Sept. 11 attacks - including the 1985 hijacking of the Achille Lauro, the 1988 bombing of Pan Am Flight 103, the 1993 World Trade Center bombing and the Palestinian Intifada . . .

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/14/141831.shtml



"Saddam's Philanthropy of Terror”

by Deroy Murdock

American Outlook – Fall 2003

http://www.hudson.org/files/publications/murdocksaddamarticle.pdf



FAS

The National Interest, Winter, 1995/96

THE WORLD TRADE CENTER BOMB:
Who is Ramzi Yousef? And Why It Matters

by Laurie Mylroie

Few Americans are aware of the true scale of the destructive ambition behind that bomb, this despite the fact that two years later, the key figure responsible for building it--a man who had entered the United Stares on an Iraqi passport under the name of Ramzi Yousef--was involved in another stupendous bombing conspiracy. In January 1995, Yousef and his associates plotted to blow up eleven U.S. commercial aircraft in one spectacular day of terrorist rage. The bombs were to be made of a liquid explosive designed to pass through airport metal detectors. But while mixing his chemical brew in a Manila apartment, Yousef started a fire. He was forced to flee, leaving behind a computer that contained the information that led to his arrest a month later in Pakistan. Among the items found in his possession was a letter threatening Filipino interests if a comrade held in custody were not released. It claimed the "ability to make and use chemicals and poisonous gas... for use against vital institutions and residential populations and the sources of drinking water." [1] Quickly extradited, he is now in U.S. custody awaiting trial this spring. . . .

It is important to know who Ramzi Yousef is and who his "friends" are, because if he is not just a bomber-for-hire, or an Islamic militant loosely connected to other Muslim fundamentalists, Yousef's "friends" could still prove very dangerous to the United States. It is of considerable interest, therefore, that a very persuasive case can be made that Ramzi Yousef is an Iraqi intelligence agent, and that his bombing conspiracies were meant as Saddam Hussein's revenge for the Gulf War. . . .

http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iraq/956-tni.htm



Insight on the news

"Deathbed" Confession Transcript -- World Exclusive

Posted April 19, 2002

The following interview with ELMINA ABDUL, widow of EDWIN ANGELES, one of the cofounders of the ABU SAYYAF GROUP (ASG), and deep cover agent for the Defense Intelligence Group (DIG) of the Department of National Defense (DND), of the Republic of the Philippines, was taken on March 10, 2002, in the presence of CHRISTOPHER M. PUNO, Information Officer of the Province of Basilan, at BASCOM Hospital, in the general ward. . . .

DZS: Did he ever talk to you about meetings with Arabs or Americans?
EA: Yes, once he had met with some Arabs and Americans in 1994, in Davao (City), or General Santos (City).
DZS: Did he tell you who they were?
EA: Does the name Ramsey Yousef mean something to you Mr. Sicat?
DZS: Ahmad Hassim. Does that mean something to you?
EA: He had met with them. And an American who he called Terry or the Farmer, and another American whom he did not name.
DZS: Was the American he named as Terry, Terry Nichols?
EA: He did not mention the surname. Only Terry.
DZS: Did he tell you why and how many times they had met?

EA: They met almost every day for one week. They met in an empty bodega (warehouse). They talked about bombings. They mentioned bombing government buildings in San Francisco, Saint Louis and in Oklahoma. The Americans wanted instructions how to make and to explode bombs. He (Edwin) told me that Janjalani was very interested in paying them much money to explode the buildings. The money was coming from Yousef and the other Arab. . . .

DZS: Did he tell you when the bombs would explode; when they exploded?
EA: He told me that the Americans exploded one bomb in Oklahoma in 1995, after he was arrested and after we first met.
DZS: Did he ever tell you who was supplying the money for the bombing of the building, I mean who Yousef was working with or for?
EA: Mr. Sicat, you are the mediaman. Do you not know that Yousef was representing Iraq and Saddam Hussein? Do you not know that? . . .

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=241231



Insight on the news

Insight Online World Exclusive

Posted April 19, 2002

By Kenneth R. Timmerman

Insight has learned that the widow of Philippine-government intelligence agent Edwin Angeles has provided audiotaped testimony to an investigator working for the American victims' families that directly ties Iraqi intelligence agents to Terry Nichols, the man sentenced in 1998 to life in prison for his role in bombing the Alfred P. Murrah Building seven years ago.

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/241237.html



The Terrorist Motel
The I-40 connection between Zacarias Moussaoui and Mohamed Atta
by Jim Crogan

LAWeekly

JULY 26 - AUGUST 1, 2002

The motel owner said that Moussaoui and a man who appeared to be Marwan al-Shehhi -- who helped crash a jetliner into the south tower of the World Trade Center -- were friendly and said a few things, but Atta was clearly the leader. "He did most of the talking and seemed very serious," said the owner . . .

One reason for the FBI's apparent lack of interest might be this motel's alleged connection to Timothy McVeigh and a group of Iraqis who worked in Oklahoma City. According to the motel owner and other witnesses and investigators interviewed by the Weekly, McVeigh and several of these Iraqis were motel guests in the months preceding the 1995 bombing. Witnesses also claimed they saw several of the Iraqis moving barrels of material around on the bed of a truck. The motel owner said the material smelled of diesel fuel and he had to clean up a spill. Diesel fuel was a key component of the truck bomb that blew up the Federal Building. . . .

http://www.laweekly.com/ink/02/36/news-crogan.php



WorldNetDaily

Oklahoma City blast linked to bin Laden
Reporter says FBI refused to accept evidence of foreign terror connection
WEDNESDAY, MARCH 21, 2001

A former investigative reporter for the NBC affiliate in Oklahoma City last night told Fox News Channel's Bill O'Reilly she has gathered massive evidence of a foreign conspiracy involving Saudi terrorist leader Osama bin Laden in the 1995 bombing of the federal building that killed 168 people.

Jayna Davis, former reporter for KFOR-TV in Oklahoma City, says she took her evidence -- including hundreds of court records, 24 sworn witness statements and reports from law enforcement, intelligence and terror experts -- to the FBI, which refused even to accept the material.

She said a Middle East terrorist cell was in operation only blocks from the federal building, and that an Iraqi national who formerly served in Saddam Hussein's Republican Guard was in contact with McVeigh the day of the bombing. She said this suspect arrived at the crime scene in a Ryder truck moments before the blast and sped away in a brown Chevrolet pickup truck immediately after.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=22122



Investigative Report
InsightMag.com
Iraqi Connection to Oklahoma Bombing
Posted March 25, 2002
By Kenneth R. Timmerman

. . . That was before an Oklahoma City lawyer named Mike Johnston, aided by Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch, filed a federal lawsuit against Iraq on behalf of victims of the Oklahoma City bombing. The lawsuit alleges that "the entire plot to blow up the Murrah Building on April 19, 1995, in whole or in part, was orchestrated, assisted technically and/ or financially and directly aided by agents of the Republic of Iraq." . . .
The lawsuit, filed in U.S. district court in Washington on March 14, alleges that convicted Oklahoma City conspirator Nichols met repeatedly in the Philippines with World Trade Center bomber Ramzi Youssef, and that Youssef was an Iraqi intelligence agent. If these allegations are confirmed in court, they constitute a stunning indictment of Iraqi state complicity in murderous attacks on the United States well before Sept. 11.
As if anticipating new developments on the terrorism front, CIA Director Tenet told the Senate Armed Services Committee in unusually frank testimony on March 19 that the United States now is actively examining potential Iraqi and Iranian involvement in the Sept. 11 attacks. . . . Last October, U.S. News & World Report revealed in its "Washington Whispers" column that McVeigh was carrying Iraqi telephone numbers when he was arrested on the day of the bombing. Sources tell INSIGHT that the phone numbers apparently were contained in a sealed manila envelope that was turned over to the FBI unopened by the Oklahoma state troopers who arrested McVeigh. The FBI logged in the evidence as "manila envelope with content," but never disclosed what was inside.
Yet another potential Iraqi connection to the Oklahoma City bombing is being promoted by a former Oklahoma City TV reporter named Jayna Davis, who claims to have discovered an Iraqi terrorist network embedded within the Arab immigrant community in the city. . . .

But new evidence uncovered by Johnston and his investigators suggests that Youssef may have had direct ties to Iraqi intelligence all along. "We have sworn witness statements and affidavits from court cases that predate the Oklahoma City bombing that directly tie Ramzi Youssef to Dr. Ihsan Barbouti," Johnston tells INSIGHT. "The witnesses say Barbouti introduced Ramzi Youssef as an 'explosives expert for the Iraqi National Oil Company,' and that Youssef was working in Kuwait for Barbouti prior to the Iraqi invasion." Johnston says that he believes Barbouti was married to a member of Saddam Hussein's al-Tikriti clan. In tribal Iraq, such ties create bonds of absolute loyalty.

http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm?include=detail&storyid=221859



OpinionJournal

The Iraq Connection
BY MICAH MORRISON
Thursday, September 5, 2002 12:01 a.m. EDT

. . . the long investigative work by Ms. Davis and Ms. Mylroie, coming to parallel conclusions though working largely independently of each other, has gained some prominent supporters. Former CIA Director James Woolsey, for example, recently told the Journal that "when the full stories of these two incidents are finally told, those who permitted the investigations to stop short will owe big explanations to these two brave women. And the nation will owe them a debt of gratitude."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110002217



Highlights of complaint against Iraq for OK City bombing filed in US District Court, Washington DC (filed in March 2002) Jury selection March 2004:

7. The parties hereto, based on their collective knowledge and on the knowledge of other victims of the bombing of April 19, 1995, believe that the attack was not as simple as has been portrayed by the United States government during the criminal trials of Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols. Specifically, upon information and belief, Plaintiffs assert that other individuals were involved in preparation for and execution of the attack. Plaintiffs assert that the entire plot was, in whole or in part, orchestrated, assisted technically and/or financially, and directly aided by agents of The Republic of Iraq. Plaintiffs further assert that this attack was an illegal continuation of the Persian Gulf War. Plaintiffs herein assert that they or their loved ones are, in effect, civilian casualties of said Gulf War in a manner contrary to the Geneva Convention and other applicable international treaties. Plaintiffs assert that the involvement and complicity of Iraq can be proven by both direct and circumstantial evidence in classic application, i.e., means, opportunity and motive, to wit:



10. On April 20, 1990, a Criminal Investigation Agent for the U.S. Customs Service authored a “Report of Investigation” including information from a confidential informant from Europe who revealed that Barbouti was a “conduit for. . .funds to terrorist organizations.” The Customs informant also noted that there was an individual working with Barbouti. . . . Said individual was identified in a 1991 Florida federal court case, i.e., testimony given two years before the first attack on the World Trade Center, as being “Ramzi Youssef.” Youssef was an Iraqi government agent.



20. Three months later, when the Murrah Building was bombed, Abdul Hakim Murad, in a prison cell in New York City awaiting trial for his part in the plot to bomb five American 747 aircraft, admitted verbally on April 19, 1995 and in writing that Ramzi Youssef’s “liberation army” was responsible for the Murrah Building bombing! Murad’s conspiratorial admission of foreign involvement in the Oklahoma City bombing was revealed by an FBI 302 Report that was referenced in Timothy McVeigh’s March 1997 “Petition for Writ of Mandamus,” Case No. 97-1109 (10th Cir.). The 302 Report was sealed. Said conspiratorial admission, however, was never reported by the government to the bombing victims.



23. Freedom of Information Act records obtained from Interpol’s National Central Bureau on February 24, 2000 revealed that, long after Nichols and McVeigh were in custody for the Murrah Building bombing, Interpol was still trying to apprehend at least two other individuals, one a foreign national, somewhere overseas, who were “implicated in the bomb attack against the Oklahoma City federal building on April 19, 1995.” Also, the last (released) document contained in Interpol’s file regarding the Oklahoma City bombing was a New York Times article about the 1997 trial of Ramzi Youssef for the terrorist plots prepared in the Philippines during 1994 and early 1995. See Exhibit 4, attached hereto, which is incorporated herein by reference. Obviously, Interpol connected Ramzi Youssef to the Oklahoma City bombing. Neither of these things was ever revealed by the United States government to Plaintiffs, i.e., bombing victims, herein.



24. Plaintiffs further assert that Timothy McVeigh had additional Iraqi assistance in preparing the Murrah Building attack during the days leading up to April 19, 1995. This included, specifically, the assistance of Hussain Hashem Alhussaini, a former soldier in the Iraqi army during the Gulf War who had been allowed entry into the United States in 1994 through Boston from an interment camp in Saudi Arabia. Also, see Exhibit 5, attached hereto, which is a copy of an April 19, 1995 government memorandum documenting a report to the Washington Metropolitan Field Office of the FBI, made by a former high-ranking CIA official, and is incorporated herein by reference. Said CIA official (who had previously worked on the Pan Am 103 case) was passing on urgent information from a Saudi Arabian counterterrorism official in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The intelligence information was that “there was a ‘squad’ of people currently in the United States, very possibly Iraqis, who have been tasked with carrying out terrorist attacks against the United States.” One of the three targets specifically mentioned in the report was Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. The existence of this memo was never communicated by the U.S. government to Plaintiffs herein, i.e., victims.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/cases/86/complaint.html



TCS

The Iraq -- Al Qaeda Connections

by Richard Miniter Publish 09/25/2003

. . . Those who try to whitewash Saddam's record don't dispute this evidence; they just ignore it. So let's review the evidence, all of it on the public record for months or years:

* Abdul Rahman Yasin was the only member of the al Qaeda cell that detonated the 1993 World Trade Center bomb to remain at large in the Clinton years. He fled to Iraq. U.S. forces recently discovered a cache of documents in Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, that show that Iraq gave Mr. Yasin both a house and monthly salary.

* Sudanese intelligence officials told me that their agents had observed meetings between Iraqi intelligence agents and bin Laden starting in 1994, when bin Laden lived in Khartoum.

* In 1999 the Guardian, a British newspaper, reported that Farouk Hijazi, a senior officer in Iraq's mukhabarat, had journeyed deep into the icy mountains near Kandahar, Afghanistan, in December 1998 to meet with al Qaeda men. Mr. Hijazi is "thought to have offered bin Laden asylum in Iraq," the Guardian reported.

* In October 2000, another Iraqi intelligence operative, Salah Suleiman, was arrested near the Afghan border by Pakistani authorities, according to Jane's Foreign Report, a respected international newsletter. Jane's reported that Suleiman was shuttling between Iraqi intelligence and Ayman al Zawahiri, now al Qaeda's No. 2 man.

* In 1998, Abbas al-Janabi, a longtime aide to Saddam's son Uday, defected to the West. At the time, he repeatedly told reporters that there was a direct connection between Iraq and al Qaeda.

*The Sunday Times found a Saddam loyalist in a Kurdish prison who claims to have been Dr. Zawahiri's bodyguard during his 1992 visit with Saddam in Baghdad. Dr. Zawahiri was a close associate of bin Laden at the time and was present at the founding of al Qaeda in 1989.

* In 2001. . . That same year, Saudi Arabian border guards arrested two al Qaeda members entering the kingdom from Iraq.

* Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi oversaw an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, Mr. Powell told the United Nations. His specialty was poisons. Wounded in fighting with U.S. forces, he sought medical treatment in Baghdad in May 2002. When Zarqawi recovered, he restarted a training camp in northern Iraq. Zarqawi's Iraq cell was later tied to the October 2002 murder of Lawrence Foley, an official of the U.S. Agency for International Development, in Amman, Jordan. The captured assassin confessed that he received orders and funds from Zarqawi's cell in Iraq, Mr. Powell said. His accomplice escaped to Iraq.

*Zarqawi met with military chief of al Qaeda, Mohammed Ibrahim Makwai (aka Saif al-Adel) in Iran in February 2003, according to intelligence sources cited by the Washington Post.

* Mohamed Mansour Shahab, a smuggler hired by Iraq to transport weapons to bin Laden in Afghanistan, was arrested by anti-Hussein Kurdish forces in May, 2000. He later told his story to American intelligence and a reporter for the New Yorker magazine.

* Documents found among the debris of the Iraqi Intelligence Center show that Baghdad funded the Allied Democratic Forces, a Ugandan terror group led by an Islamist cleric linked to bin Laden. According to a London's Daily Telegraph, the organization offered to recruit "youth to train for the jihad" at a "headquarters for international holy warrior network" to be established in Baghdad.

* Mullah Melan Krekar, ran a terror group (the Ansar al-Islam) linked to both bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. Mr. Krekar admitted to a Kurdish newspaper that he met bin Laden in Afghanistan and other senior al Qaeda officials. His acknowledged meetings with bin Laden go back to 1988. When he organized Ansar al Islam in 2001 to conduct suicide attacks on Americans, "three bin Laden operatives showed up with a gift of $300,000 'to undertake jihad,'" Newsday reported. Mr. Krekar is now in custody in the Netherlands. His group operated in a portion of northern Iraq loyal to Saddam Hussein -- and attacked independent Kurdish groups hostile to Saddam. A spokesman for the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan told a United Press International correspondent that Mr. Krekar's group was funded by "Saddam Hussein's regime in Baghdad."

* After October 2001, hundreds of al Qaeda fighters are believed to have holed up in the Ansar al-Islam's strongholds inside northern Iraq. . . .

Mr. Miniter is a senior fellow at the Center for the New Europe and author of "Losing bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror" (Regnery) which is now on the New York Times' bestseller list.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/092503F.html



Insight on the news

The Link Between Iraq and Al-Qaeda

Posted Sept. 29, 2003

By Scott L. Wheeler

Senior investigators and analysts in the U.S. government have concluded that Iraq acted as a state sponsor of terrorism against Americans and logistically supported the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States - confirming news reports that until now have emerged only in bits and pieces. . . . That assistance, confirmed independently, came in a variety of ways, including financial support spun out through a complex web of financial institutions in Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Italy and elsewhere. Long suspected of having terrorist ties to al-Qaeda, they now have been linked to Iraq as well. . . . Bush officially cited al-Taqwa as part of al-Qaeda's money-laundering activities. . . . It is in al-Taqwa and Nada Management that the government investigator says he found the links to Saddam and Iraq.
Leitner says. The O'Neill lawsuit . . . against Iraq points to numerous organizations and financial institutions the plaintiffs say were "fronts" for Islamic terrorism activities and claims financial linkages to Iraq, Iraqi intelligence and Saddam. . . . Also listed as a defendant in the lawsuit is the Arab TV network al-Jazeera. "Defendant Mohammed Jaseem al-Ali and two other employees of al-Jazeera are identified in documents captured in the April 2003 U.S. military action in Iraq as having received substantial funding from the Iraqi regime in exchange for acting as liaisons between Iraq and al-Qaeda. One document reveals that al-Jazeera passed letters from Osama bin Laden to Saddam Hussein," the complaint alleges. . . .

Scott L. Wheeler is a contributing writer for Insight magazine.
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http://www.insightmag.com/main.cfm/include/detail/storyid/477622



the weekly Standard

Saddam's Ambassador to al Qaeda
From the March 1, 2004 issue: An Iraqi prisoner details Saddam's links to Osama bin Laden's terror network.
by Jonathan Schanzer
03/01/2004, Volume 009, Issue 24

A RECENTLY INTERCEPTED MESSAGE from Iraq-based terrorist Abu Musab al Zarqawi asking the al Qaeda leadership for reinforcements reignited the debate over al Qaeda ties with Saddam Hussein's fallen Baath regime. . . . In addition to weapons, al-Shamari said, the Mukhabarat also helped finance Ansar al Islam. "On one occasion we gave them ten million Swiss dinars [$700,000]," al-Shamari said, referring to the pre-1990 Iraqi currency. On other occasions, the Mukhabarat provided more than that. The assistance, he added, was furnished "every month or two months." . . . “Abu Wael was "the actual decision-maker" for Ansar al Islam and "an employee of the Mukhabarat." . . . The prisoner told me that he had worked for Abu Wael, who was the leader of a special intelligence directorate in the Mukhabarat. That directorate provided assistance to Ansar al Islam at the behest of Saddam Hussein. . . . Al-Shamari also told me that the links between Saddam's regime and the al Qaeda network went beyond Ansar al Islam. He explained in considerable detail that Saddam actually ordered Abu Wael to organize foreign fighters from outside Iraq to join Ansar. Al-Shamari estimated that some 150 foreign fighters were imported from al Qaeda clusters in Jordan, Turkey, Syria, Yemen, Egypt, and Lebanon to fight with Ansar al Islam's Kurdish fighters. . . . a man known simply as Qods. In June 2003, just before he was arrested and put in the jail where I met him, Qods said that . . . It was only then, . . . that he learned of the link between the Baathists and al Qaeda. . . .

Jonathan Schanzer is a terrorism analyst for the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and author of the forthcoming book "Al-Qaeda's Armies: Middle East Affiliates and the Next Generation of Terror."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/768rwsbj.asp?pg=1



An Essay:

Iraq’s State Sponsorship of Osama bin-Laden and the

al-Qaeda Terror Network

The Washington Dispatch

Essay by Chris Farrell

Jun 30, 2002

http://www.washingtondispatch.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/16/32/printer



Arafat-Saddam-Bin Laden Links Surface

DEBKAfile Expose

September 24, 2002, 4:37 PM (GMT+02:00)

http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=155



For Immediate Release
Aug 13, 2002

SEPTEMBER 11 LAWSUIT AGAINST IRAQ MOVES FORWARD
State Department Confirms Saddam Hussein’s Government Served With Lawsuit Alleging September 11 Involvement

(Washington, DC) Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today announced that the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan have been served with a civil lawsuit. . . . The lawsuit alleges a conspiracy among Iraq, bin Laden, the Taliban/Afghani government in the September 11 terrorist attacks on America. The lawsuit alleges that Iraq provided “material support and assistance” to bin Laden’s network to carry out the September 11 attacks and that Iraqi intelligence met several times with September 11 terrorists, in addition to providing training for bin Laden’s terrorist network in Iraq itself. - Judicial Watch, Inc.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/2323.shtml



9/11 SUIT TIES SADDAM TO 10 YRS. OF AID FOR OSAMA
New York Post; New York; Sep 9, 2002; JOHN LEHMANN;
Words in Document: 265
Abstract:
The civil suit against Iraq, filed last week on behalf of 1,400 victims of the Sept. 11 attacks and their families, relies on confidential briefings by ex-CIA officers, interviews with Iraqi defectors, al Qaeda members' testimonies at the African embassy bombing trial and Iraqi and American press reports, according to Manhattan law firm Kreindler and Kreindler. http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/nypost/164848461.html?did=164848461&FMT=ABS&FMTS=FT&date=Sep+9,+2002&desc=9%2f11+SUIT+TIES+SADDAM+TO+10+YRS.+OF+AID+FOR+OSAMA



(2002/09/05):

"Lawsuit: Iraq Knew of 9/11 Attacks"

By Larry Neumeister
Associated Press Writer
Wednesday, September 4, 2002; 7:16 PM

NEW YORK -- A lawsuit filed Wednesday claims Iraq knew Osama bin Laden was targeting the Pentagon and New York City prior to Sept. 11 and that it sponsored terrorists for a decade to avenge its defeat in the Gulf War. . . . The lawsuit alleges that Yousef was an Iraqi intelligence agent who traveled to the United States using travel documents forged in Kuwait during the Iraqi occupation of that country in 1991. Yousef was eventually convicted in the trade center bombing and a plot to blow up a dozen airliners over the Far East in 1995. He is serving a life prison term.

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/9-06-02/discussion.cgi.39.shtml



Friday, March 7, 2003 1:57 p.m. EST

NewsMax,com

CIA's Woolsey Tells Court: Iraq Involved in 9/11

Former CIA Director James Woolsey offered bombshell testimony this week in a lawsuit brought by the families of World Trade Center victims that implicates Saddam Hussein in the 9/11 attacks. . . . The one-time Clinton administration intelligence chief described what he said was a conspiracy between al-Qaeda and Baghdad.

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2003/3/7/140812



Sept. 11 Families Win $104-Million

NEW YORK-May 7, 2003 — A federal judge Wednesday awarded nearly $104 million in damages to the families of at least two victims of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, saying they had shown that Iraq provided material support to Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda.

Judge Harold Baer outlined the damages against bin Laden, the Taliban and Saddam Hussein and his Iraqi government in a written decision in U.S. District Court in Manhattan. Baer said he had concluded that lawyers for the two victims "have shown, albeit barely ... that Iraq provided material support to bin Laden and al-Qaeda." - ABC Action News

http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/5-09-03/discussion.cgi.53.html



NewsMax,com

Friday, May 9, 2003 7:22 a.m. EDT

9/11 Bombshell: Judge Rules Saddam Trained Hijackers

In a bombshell finding virtually ignored by the American media, a U.S. district court judge in Manhattan ruled Wednesday that Salman Pak, Saddam Hussein's airplane hijacking school located on the outskirts of Baghdad, played a material role in the devastating Sept. 11 attacks on America. . . . according to courtroom testimony by three of the camp's instructors, the facility was a virtual hijacking classroom where al-Qaeda recruits practiced overcoming U.S. flight crews using only small knives - a terrorist technique never employed before 9/11.

At least one veteran of Salman Pak, Sabah Khodad, has maintained that the 9/11 hijackers were actually trained by Saddam's henchman. He told PBS in October 2001 that the World Trade Center attack "was done by graduates of Salman Pak."

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2003/5/9/72820



The above lawsuit was filed in Manhattan, the following lawsuit is unrelated and was filed in Washington D.C.



NewsMax,com

Wednesday Feb. 5, 2003; 1:47 p.m. EST

Lawsuit Alleges Saddam Trained 9/11 Hijackers

A lawsuit set to be filed in Washington, D.C. will allege that . . . "Saddam Hussein helped to plan and pay for the September 11 terror attacks on New York and Washington, according to U.S. court documents obtained by the Sunday Express," the paper claimed. . . . Five key witnesses - three Iraqi defectors and two former U.N. weapons inspectors - have "provided chilling details," the Express said . . .

http://www.newsmax.com/showinside.shtml?a=2003/2/5/135346



Spain links suspect in 9/11 plot to Baghdad
David Rose
Sunday March 16, 2003
The Observer
An alleged terrorist accused of helping the 11 September conspirators was invited to a party by the Iraqi ambassador to Spain under his al-Qaeda nom de guerre, according to documents seized by Spanish investigators.

Yusuf Galan, who was photographed being trained at a camp run by Osama bin Laden, is now in jail, awaiting trial in Madrid. The indictment against him, drawn up by investigating judge Baltasar Garzon, claims he was 'directly involved with the preparation and carrying out of the attacks ... by the suicide pilots on 11 September'.

Evidence of Galan's links with Iraqi government officials came to light only recently, as investigators pored through more than 40,000 pages of documents seized in raids at the homes of Galan and seven alleged co-conspirators. The Spanish authorities have supplied copies to lawyers in America, and this week the documents will form part of a dossier to be filed in a federal court in Washington, claiming damages of approximately $100 billion on behalf of more than 2,500 11 September victims. - The Observer

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,915142,00.html



WorldNetDaily

Posted: December 11, 2002

Iraq-al-Qaida links go back decade

By David Rose
CIA reports of Iraqi-al-Qaida cooperation number nearly 100 and extend back to 1992, according to a reporter for Vanity Fair whose sources include senior Pentagon officials.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=29949



Contacts among Ansar al-Islam, Al Qaeda, and aides to the Iraqi President

By Scott Peterson
Staff Writer of the Christian Science Monitor

2 April 2002

While Ansar is gaining strength in numbers, new information is emerging that ties the organization to both Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda network and to Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein. The Al Qaeda contacts allegedly stretch back to 1989, and include regular recruiting visits by bin Laden cadres to Kurdish refugee camps in Iran and to northern Iraq, as well as a journey by senior Ansar leaders to meet Al Qaeda chiefs in Kandahar, Afghanistan, in the summer of 2000.
A 20-year veteran of Iraqi intelligence alleges the Iraqi government secretly provided cash and training to Ansar . . .

http://usinfo.state.gov/regional/nea/iraq/press/0418irqtr.htm



Asia Times

Bin Laden uses Iraq to plot new attacks
By Syed Saleem Shahzad

February 23, 2003

Similarly, bin Laden and the al-Qaeda have maintained close relations with Iraqi intelligence since the early 1990s. In 1994, Iraqi intelligence chief Farooq al-Hijazi visited the Sudanese capital of Khartoum, where bin Laden had established a headquarters for al-Qaeda in 1991 to run businesses to provide it with income and support. Farooq and bin Laden met. Also present was Dr Hasan Turabi, the head of the Muslim Brotherhood organization of Sudan. (Bin Laden married one of Turabi's nieces while he was in Sudan.)
This meeting was to prove helpful to both bin Laden and Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

http://atimes.com/c-asia/DB23Ag02.html



Philippines' expulsion of Iraqi diplomat bolsters U.S. case that Iraq engaged in terrorism

Thu Feb 13, 2003, 8:14 AM ET

By HRVOJE HRANJSKI, Associated Press Writer

MANILA, Philippines - The expulsion from the Philippines of an Iraqi diplomat allegedly linked to the Muslim extremist Abu Sayyaf group has bolstered the U.S. case that Iraq is sponsoring international terrorism, Philippine officials said Thursday.

The Abu Sayyaf has been loosely linked to Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al-Qaeda network. The Philippines has given Iraqi Consul Husham Husain until Friday to leave the country. . . . Shortly after the outbreak of the Gulf War in January 1991, Manila expelled then-Iraqi Charge d'Affaires Muwafak al-Ani after an Iraqi man was killed and another wounded in the premature detonation of a bomb believed intended for the U.S. cultural center in suburban Makati. The planned bombing appeared to be an initial attempt by Iraq to carry out a threat of global terrorism in response to the U.S.-led assault to force its military out of Kuwait.

http://www.highbeam.com/library/doc0.asp?docid=1P1:71751371&dtype=0~0&dinst=&author=&title=Expelled%20Iraqi%20Envoy%20Leaves%20Philippines&date=02/14/2003&refid=ency_botnm



Saddam link to terror group
By Philip Smucker in Baghdad and Adrian Blomfield in Nairobi
(Filed: 17/04/2003)

London Telegraph

Saddam Hussein's regime was linked to an African Islamist terrorist group, according to intelligence papers seen by The Telegraph. The documents provide the first hard evidence of ties between Iraq and religious terrorism. . . The papers show how Iraq's charge d'affaires in Nairobi, Fallah Hassan Al Rubdie, was in discussion with the Allied Democratic Forces, a Ugandan guerrilla group with ties to other anti-western Islamist organisations. . . In a letter to the head of the Iraqi spy agency, a senior ADF operative outlined his group's efforts to set up an "international mujahideen team". . . Nassir offered to "vet, recruit and send youth to train for the jihad" at a centre in Baghdad, which he described as a "headquarters for international holy warrior network". . .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/17/wsad17.xml



'We'll pay all expenses to gain the

knowledge from bin Laden and

convey a message back'
(Filed: 27/04/2003)

London Telegraph

Document 1, dated February 19, 1998

Marked "Top Secret and Urgent" in the margin and signed by "MDA", thought to be the codename for the director of one of the intelligence sections within the Mukhabarat.

"The envoy is a trusted confidant and known by them. According to the above mediation we request official permission to call Khartoum station to facilitate the travel arrangements for the above-mentioned person to Iraq. And that our body carry all the travel and hotel expenses inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin Laden, the Saudi opposition leader, about the future of our relationship with him, and to achieve a direct meeting with him." . . .

Document 2, dated February 23, 1998
Addressed to codename "M4/7", marked "Information M4 D1/3/4" and given the number 375 by the Mukhabarat bureaucracy.

"The permission of Mr Deputy Director of Intelligence has been gained on 21 February for this operation, to secure a reservation for one of the intelligence services guest's for one week in one of the first class hotels [the Al Mansour Melia hotel in Baghdad]".

Signed by "M.D. 1/3", next to which is written February 22.

In the margin it is written that this has been done in co-ordination with the chief of the Saudi section and that they write to extend the period of host for one more week.

A note at the bottom of the page says "The envoy H arrived 5th March". Another note mentions "room 414" next to the name, Mohammed F. Mohammed Ahmed.

Document 3, dated March 24, 1998

Written by hand and labelled number 736 and marked "Secret" in the margin. This paper has been given the code number M 4/7/2 and is addressed to codename "2/D1/3".

"Your information numbered D1/3/4/375 dated 23rd February 1998, we enclose herewith the bill to host a guest in Mansour Melia Hotel. Please let it be known and get the official permission to spend the amount and return the permission back with our regards. Include the name of bills of the hotel." Signed by another official with the codename M.M. 4/7

At the foot of this document there is another note, dated April 13, that says that after 21 days:

"We have been informed by Saudi section chief [of the Iraqi Intelligence Service, the Mukhabarat] that we get permission to send the amount and the permission is sent to directorate accountant."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/27/walq127.xml



Toronto Star

Apr. 27, 2003. 09:58 AM

Clumsy efforts hid bin Laden's name

MITCH POTTER
MIDDLE EAST BUREAU

As the mystery slowly unravelled, Amir's eyes grew wider. Finally, he leapt from the bed in stunned disbelief. "What? What have you got," I asked.

"It says bin Laden. It says bin Laden," he bellowed, jumping in the air.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1051125568653&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968793972154



Toronto Star

Star finds bin Laden-Iraq links
Three pages of documents point to the arrival of a messenger

MITCH POTTER
TORONTO STAR

Apr. 28, 2003. 01:34 PM
Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda organization and Saddam Hussein's regime shared direct contact as early as 1998, according to top-secret Iraqi intelligence documents obtained by the Star. . . .

The handwritten file, three pages in all, relates to the arrival of a secret envoy sent by bin Laden to Iraq in March, 1998, apparently to establish a clandestine relationship with the Iraqi regime.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1051125568646&call_pageid=1045739058633



FreeRepublic

Target: Safe Harbor – Bush’s case against Iraq is iron-clad post – 9/11
National Review Online ^ | September 6, 2002 | Larry Kudlow

The New Yorker's Jeffrey Goldberg reported brilliantly on Ansar al-Islam last winter. This is a group of several hundred terrorists who were initially trained and organized by bin Laden troops and co-financed by al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein's secret police. . . .

And Ledeen points out that these groups are being aided and abetted by the "terror masters" — namely Iran, Iraq, and Syria who foster, arm, and train these terrorists, and Saudi Arabia, the financier. These are the safe-harboring states who shield enemies of the United States.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/745761/posts



Jane’s Information Group

Who did it?

19 September 2001

. . . The Iraqis, who for several years paid smaller groups to do their dirty work, were quick to discover the advantages of Al-Qaeda. . . .

http://www.janes.com/security/international_security/news/fr/fr010919_1_n.shtml



Was bin Laden working with Iraq?
Boston Globe ^ | 9/25/01 | Laurie Mylroie

. . . Above all, a critical question has not been addressed: Was bin Laden alone responsible for the carnage that occurred on Sept. 11, or was he working with an enemy state, namely Iraq?As Rafael Eitan, former head of Israel's Mossad, stated, ''I have no doubt whatsoever that the

mastermind of this atrocity is none other than the Iraqi dictator.'' Former CIA director Jim Woolsey has also fingered Iraq, and senior officials in the Pentagon agree. . . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/531970/posts



FreeRepublic

Iraq Tempts Bin Laden To Attack West

The Herald (UK)
By Ian Bruce
December 28, 1999

The world's most wanted man, Osama bin Laden, has been offered sanctuary in Iraq if his worldwide terrorist network succeeds in carrying out a campaign of high-profile attacks on the West . . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/527008/posts



FreeRepublic

Seven Years Later: Was TWA Flight 800 a First Strike By Jihad Terrorists?
Capitalism Magazine ^ | July 17, 2003 | Scott Holleran

Skeptics questioned the investigation, including former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Thomas Moorer, a retired admiral, who added his name to those who believe a missile destroyed the plane.

Moorer -- joined by Vernon Grose, a former member of the National Transportation Safety Board -- expressed grave doubts about the investigation. "All the evidence," Moorer said, "would point to a missile."

At the time of the crash, 270 eyewitnesses reported seeing a streak of light. Nearly 100 eyewitnesses said that the streak of light *originated* from the earth's surface, contrary to the CIA's animated simulation.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/947966/posts

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22 posted on 06/07/2004 2:07:49 PM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: muawiyah

Hey, lots of secular leaders have the entire Koran transcribed in their own blood...

And build Mosques at a tremendous cost with gardens and canals in the shape of their own thumb-print...

What makes you think he was not a secular leader?


23 posted on 06/07/2004 2:08:05 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Egregious Philbin

Depends on what you call speed ( your ten yrs ) statement makes your argument kind of suspect. If it would not have been for Powell, Cheney would have taken his ass out in 91 imo.


24 posted on 06/07/2004 2:13:25 PM PDT by cksharks
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To: Egregious Philbin; knighthawk; bondjamesbond; Califelephant
but Barone fails to mention 10 years of sanctions, inspections, and bombing - all of which did a good job of containing Saddam (even if the inspections were ineffectual and/or for show). Considering these things - what was the rush?

The catch is that the sanctions regime was unraveling. The fact that France, Russia, China, and Germany had all signed multi-billion dollar deals with Saddam was the writing on the wall. These deals were worthless while sanctions were in place, and they were worthless if Saddam left office. The French deal was worth $100 billion, no small change.

This means that Saddam had effectively bought the Security Council. The only thing holding sanctions in place, ironically, was the fact that the UN Oil for Food program was so darned lucrative for everyone involved.

For anyone paying attention, once you see that the Security Council is bought, and the UN upper management is bought, you know that the sanctions are on their way out. The only question is the precise political choreography, which was already underway. You remember the PR campaign before the war? That "US" imposed sanctions were killing millions of Iraqi children?

Sanctions were on their way out, and Saddam was going to emerge from his box with UN, EU, Russian and Chinese support. Our choice was to watch it happen, powerless, or move now. It is our fortune that we had a president who was prepared to move now.

25 posted on 06/07/2004 2:30:30 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron

Excellent defense of Bush and the Iraq invasion, a defense Bush can't make for himself.


26 posted on 06/07/2004 7:46:15 PM PDT by secretagent
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To: Egregious Philbin; Califelephant; bondjamesbond; RaceBannon
Waiting would have allowed us to better plan our exit strategy and reconsider our intelligence. We could've had more armor for our troops, more troops available, more foreign troops for support (though we might've lost support by waiting too...) I guess i'm advocating tempering the "Rumsfeld doctrine" with a bit of the "Powell doctrine."

EP, you're forgetting that we had to exit from Saudi Arabia ASAP, as a strategic move. Getting on Iran's southern border was also a major strategic consideration.

I get annoyed when people allow themselves to speculate on things like this without considering the other things that bear on the problem.

Pretending that the other pieces on the chessboard aren't going to affect the play doesn't cut it.

Actually, this is more of a Go problem.

27 posted on 06/08/2004 8:50:39 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Ann Coulter: Occam's Razor Incarnate)
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To: marron
For anyone paying attention, once you see that the Security Council is bought, and the UN upper management is bought, you know that the sanctions are on their way out. The only question is the precise political choreography, which was already underway. You remember the PR campaign before the war? That "US" imposed sanctions were killing millions of Iraqi children?

If there's anything I've learned in all my years here, it's that it grows tiresome having to argue the obvious with people.

As you said, the very perpetrators of the starvation of the Iraqi children were pointing the finger at the US, while taking their envelopes of cash from good ol' Saddam.

The stench of the hypocrisy is enough to chase a dog off a gut wagon.

28 posted on 06/08/2004 8:58:54 PM PDT by an amused spectator (Ann Coulter: Occam's Razor Incarnate)
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To: RaceBannon

Faaaabulous! Freepower!! But you don't expect the Bush bashers to read all the proofs when they don't fit their agenda of lies and sedition do you?


29 posted on 06/08/2004 9:02:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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