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Silk painting, brassiere unearthed from ancient tombs in N. China(1,000 year-old golden brassiere)
Xinhuanet ^ | 06/07/04 | N/A

Posted on 06/07/2004 10:42:01 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

Silk painting, brassiere unearthed from ancient tombs in N. China

www.chinaview.cn 2004-06-07 15:47:45

HOHHOT, June 7 (Xinhuanet) -- Chinese archeologists have announced their recent discovery of a fragmented silk painting and a brassiere in tombs at least 1,000 years old.

Fragments of a silk painting of steeds were unearthed from a Liao Dynasty (916 - 1125) tomb in a village in Xinhui town, Aohan Banner of the Inner Mongolian Autonomous Region in north China.

"Unlike frescos that are often found in Liao Dynasty tombs, this one is an independent painting scroll and must have been the tomb owner's favorite," said Shao Guotian, head of the Aohan Banner Museum.

Shao said this was the second discovery of silk paintings from the Liao Dynasty, an empire founded by the Khitan ethnic group.

"The first one, reported in Faku county of Liaoning Province, northeast China, contained only simple sketches of rabbits or flowers. This one with horses, in contrast, was far more complicated," he said.

Discovery of the silk painting -- though fragmentary -- was one of great significance because it was the first one ever found to depict horses, which were close friends of the nomadic Khitans, and gave hints on the life of the nomadic clan, he added.

In the same tomb, archeological workers also found a cotton padded brassiere that was golden in color, daintily designed and was very similar in style and in function to those worn by modern women.

"It was made of fine silk and had shoulder strings and back strings just like brassieres of today," said Shao. "It's a pity most of the cotton padding in the cups already decayed."

From another two Liao Dynasty tombs in Aohan Banner, Shao and his colleagues unearthed over 30 pieces of fine chinaware, including bowls and kettles engraved with phoenixes and peonies.

All the three tombs had been broken into by thieves before the official excavation, said Shao. "If only we had dug earlier, we might have found an entire painting of horses."

According to Shao, more than 90 percent of the deserted Liao Dynasty tombs in the region needed further excavation. "There's a lot more for us to do."


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1 posted on 06/07/2004 10:42:02 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: blam; Fedora; JimSEA; AdmSmith; farmfriend

Ping!


2 posted on 06/07/2004 10:42:50 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; blam
Discovery of the silk painting -- though fragmentary -- was one of great significance because it was the first one ever found to depict horses, which were close friends of the nomadic Khitans, and gave hints on the life of the nomadic clan, he added.

Reminds me of an earlier discussion of the role of horses in Scythian and Celtic culture--hmmm. . .

4 posted on 06/07/2004 10:57:09 PM PDT by Fedora (Smeagol-Gollum 2004: "We can be our own VP, my Precious")
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Might have been Joan River's first bra.


5 posted on 06/07/2004 11:01:39 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

1,000 year old bra? Are they sure Helen Thomas wasn't in there ahead of them?


6 posted on 06/07/2004 11:04:23 PM PDT by Nick Danger (With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: A CA Guy

Perhaps it is merely an ancient Khitan torturing device. The human rights group Handynasty International is sure to be displeased.


7 posted on 06/07/2004 11:08:16 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Nick Danger
Re #6

they refused to accommodate her. They took it as grave insult.

8 posted on 06/07/2004 11:10:07 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Nick Danger
Helen Thomas wears a bra? I could have sworn at that last press conference she was wearing a halter...

... a bit, saddle and judging from the unusually sour expression on her feedbag, I mean, her face, she may have had a crupper on as well.

9 posted on 06/07/2004 11:11:48 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Found a picture of the orignal owner...


10 posted on 06/07/2004 11:14:54 PM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It's a pity most of the cotton padding in the cups already decayed.

Not just any bra, but falsies !!

11 posted on 06/07/2004 11:16:01 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: TigerLikesRooster
It is an ancient torture device.

They would put it on the head of captured enemy soldiers and draw pictures of them.

12 posted on 06/07/2004 11:16:50 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: piasa

Could be, Joan Rivers is considered a torture device, so this makes sense!


13 posted on 06/07/2004 11:16:56 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: flashbunny

You beat me to it... LOL


14 posted on 06/07/2004 11:19:30 PM PDT by KangarooJacqui ("Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.")
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To: TigerLikesRooster
HOHHOT, June 7 (Xinhuanet) -- Chinese archeologists have announced their recent discovery of a fragmented silk painting and a brassiere in tombs at least 1,000 years old.

Anyone else think it's entirely fitting that a 1000 year old silk brassiere would be found in HOHHOT?

15 posted on 06/07/2004 11:19:32 PM PDT by RJL
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To: KangarooJacqui

Yep... some connections are so obvious it's just a matter of who sees a thread first...


16 posted on 06/07/2004 11:21:44 PM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: flashbunny
some connections are so obvious it's just a matter of who sees a thread first...

Or who's quicker on a Google search. ;-)
17 posted on 06/07/2004 11:23:38 PM PDT by KangarooJacqui ("Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.")
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To: Sun Devil
(1,000 year-old golden brassiere)

No photos yet but it does appear that a movie was made about this subject:

also I went to the Chinese website looking for the photo. Trust me, you don't even want to see pictures.

I didn't find them but I did see headlines for other recent photos:

Bizarre hairdo competition

Flying horse trots into Shanghai

Restaurant fined for offering body sushi

Artificial insemination for giant panda


18 posted on 06/07/2004 11:26:43 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: KangarooJacqui

yeah, that helps too.


19 posted on 06/07/2004 11:26:55 PM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

One of Indiana Jones' adventures we never heard about?


20 posted on 06/07/2004 11:31:00 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; martin_fierro

Flat chested Chinese woman have been a problem in Faku County for way too long I say!

<|:-)~~


21 posted on 06/07/2004 11:42:24 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: JoeSixPack1; Fedora
"Flat chested Chinese woman have been a problem in Faku County for way too long I say!"

These were probably large breasted Caucasian women.

Khitan Tribes

"Details of their origins are unknown, but it is suggested that the Khitans are related to the Tatars, who are a broad mix of Slav, Mongol, Turk and Finnish ethnics. They are also said to be related to the Evenk (formerly Tungus) peoples of northern Siberia. The Khitans were first mentioned in historical records dating from 389 in the Southern and Northern Dynasties Period. They were located in the Xar Moron River valley and lived a nomadic life. Khitans are an alternative race of the Eastern Hu nomads. After the Xianbei-Wuhuan disappeared into China's melting pot during the 16 States (AD 304-420), newcomers from the north, together with the remaining Tungusic peoples, would occupy the eastern part of Mongolia and today's Manchuria. Those peoples would be the ancestors of later Khitans, Jürchens or Mongols. The Khitans first appeared on the stage in the Southern and Northern Dynasties Period, the successors of Khitans adopted the name Khitan for themselves. Khitans lived around the Liao River in today's Manchuria. To the east of the Khitans will be Koguryo, to the east the Xi Nomads (alternative race of the Huns), to the north Mojie and Shewei Tribes, and to the south Yingzhou Prefecture of Toba Wei. "

22 posted on 06/08/2004 6:12:49 AM PDT by blam
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To: Fedora
"Reminds me of an earlier discussion of the role of horses in Scythian and Celtic culture--hmmm. . ."

Yup. I believe they are all related. Pernament habitation on the deep steppes was impossible without the horse and wheel.

23 posted on 06/08/2004 6:15:09 AM PDT by blam
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To: blam
These were probably large breasted Caucasian women.

Just HOW large?


24 posted on 06/08/2004 10:20:05 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: TigerLikesRooster
In the same tomb, archeological workers also found a cotton padded brassiere that was golden in color, daintily designed and was very similar in style and in function to those worn by modern women.


Feh. Real women wear copper.


25 posted on 06/08/2004 10:23:49 AM PDT by Xenalyte (It's not often you see Johnny Mathis in the wild.)
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To: Sun Devil
What's really odd about this story is they neglected to mention it had 3 cups! (Believe it or don't!)
26 posted on 06/08/2004 11:10:23 AM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; *Gods, Graves, Glyphs; A.J.Armitage; abner; adam_az; AdmSmith; Alas Babylon!; ...
Gods, Graves, Glyphs
List for articles regarding early civilizations , life of all forms, - dinosaurs - etc.
Let me know if you wish to be added or removed from this ping list.
27 posted on 06/08/2004 12:18:58 PM PDT by farmfriend ( In Essentials, Unity...In Non-Essentials, Liberty...In All Things, Charity.)
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To: Xenalyte

Is that a Xena breastplate? I used to go to Xena conventions with my sister hehehe


28 posted on 06/08/2004 12:20:25 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Nick Danger
1,000 year old bra? Are they sure Helen Thomas wasn't in there ahead of them?

Only if its a 42 Extra Long.

29 posted on 06/08/2004 12:23:23 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (John Kerry - Not the Swiftest Boat in the Delta.)
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30 posted on 06/08/2004 12:26:58 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Xenalyte; blam
...workers also found a cotton padded brassiere...

Lets stay focused on the only REAL problem!

<|:-)~~

(We can also spend some time on the merits of sharp pointy metallic objects purposely worn to deter poking, pinching, groping, fondling, slicing and dicing of said padded fleshy protusions which also tend to inhibit cuddling, hugging, smooching and friction, but are really really good to wear to a high flying sword fight. Aphrodite's approach to fashion does have my full attention.)
<|:-)~~

31 posted on 06/08/2004 12:34:59 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: cyborg

Sure is . . . wish it were mine! Mine's rigid plastic, and it's not built for someone with my general proportions. (I think pics of that are still on my profile page.) I was working on a flexible latex one, but never could get the paint to adhere correctly.


32 posted on 06/08/2004 1:10:12 PM PDT by Xenalyte (It's not often you see Johnny Mathis in the wild.)
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To: JoeSixPack1
Aphrodite's approach to fashion does have my full attention.

You and every other red-blooded American male on the forum! (Alex Tydings is HOT.)


33 posted on 06/08/2004 1:13:56 PM PDT by Xenalyte (It's not often you see Johnny Mathis in the wild.)
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To: Xenalyte

LOL!

I saw your show on the new Oxygen cable channel. I knew it was only a matter of time until you were back.


34 posted on 06/08/2004 1:15:41 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I wonder if it looked like this?

35 posted on 06/08/2004 1:16:19 PM PDT by najida (Who said I could spell? My fingers are faster than my brain.)
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To: Xenalyte

If I was still into it, I'd just have someone make one for me. It's nice to have a friend who is a metal worker and sews leather :) Some people REALLY REALLY like Xena though and spend hundreds even thousands for their 'hobby'.


36 posted on 06/08/2004 1:18:57 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What, exactly, is a tomb-owner?


37 posted on 06/08/2004 1:43:06 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: blam

Why is everybody so hung-up on the wheel? Without an axle, it is worthless.


38 posted on 06/08/2004 1:44:43 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: cyborg

Lower, much lower...


39 posted on 06/08/2004 1:45:27 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer

lower? hehehe okay


40 posted on 06/08/2004 1:46:38 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Old Professer
"Why is everybody so hung-up on the wheel? Without an axle, it is worthless."

Hmmm.

I've been humming Rod Stewart's song all morning, "A Big Breasted Lady With A Dutch Accent..."

May Britt?

41 posted on 06/08/2004 2:03:11 PM PDT by blam
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To: Xenalyte
You and every other red-blooded American male on the forum! (Alex Tydings is HOT.)

Yeth, thas wahs I sath. Ethuze me, buth my tongue juth stithhened up and I can't type. Mith Tydin's hath that power othor me.

<|:-)~~


42 posted on 06/08/2004 2:34:36 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (Freedom Stands Because Heroes Serve.)
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To: blam; SunkenCiv
These were probably large breasted Caucasian women.

Sure they weren't large breasted Celtic women?

43 posted on 06/08/2004 2:42:48 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: blam

She was Swedish.


44 posted on 06/08/2004 2:50:41 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: ValerieUSA
"Sure they weren't large breasted Celtic women?"

Likely, proto-Celtic...there's a very good chance.

45 posted on 06/08/2004 5:03:27 PM PDT by blam
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To: Xenalyte

Hell yes!


46 posted on 06/08/2004 5:14:52 PM PDT by StoneColdGOP (McClintock - In Your Heart, You Know He's Right)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Guess the Chinese had a one up on the French with their inventiveness.


47 posted on 06/08/2004 7:48:11 PM PDT by Henchman (I Hench, therefore I am!)
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To: Henchman
Re #47

Khitans(Liao Dynasty) were not Chinese. They were horsemen like Mongols.

48 posted on 06/08/2004 8:54:19 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: weegee
Remember in the movie "Everything you wanted to ...." when in the final segment Dr Bernardo, (John Carridine), produces this GIANT Breast! Woody Allen is able to capture it by fashioning (Victoria's Secret!) a humongous one Cup Bra?

Or maybe Kramer's Bro was found!

49 posted on 06/08/2004 9:07:32 PM PDT by Young Werther
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To: A CA Guy

I hear Bill Clinton is flying out immediately to assist the Chinese with analysis of the brassiere.


50 posted on 06/08/2004 10:33:03 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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