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Boston Police to Randomly Search Rail Riders
Reuters ^ | Tue Jun 8, 2004 10:39 AM ET

Posted on 06/09/2004 4:52:23 PM PDT by JOAT

BOSTON (Reuters) - Boston's transit police will randomly search subway and commuter train riders' bags and packages, making it the first American city to do so after March's deadly bombings in Spain, officials said on Tuesday.

"This is a proactive policy designed to deter and prevent a terrorist attack," Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority Police Chief Joseph Carter said.

The random searches will begin in July, before July 4 Independence Day celebrations and ahead of the Democratic National Convention at the end of July.

Boston has the nation's fourth largest rail system with nearly 1 million train and subway riders daily. Locals voiced concern about security at the convention site, which stands above a subway station and near a major train station, prompting the closure of both stations during the July event.

Since the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington, U.S. cities have stepped up security. And efforts to secure rail systems have been ramped up after the March 11 train bombings in Madrid, which killed 191 people.

Carter said the random searches will be conducted by all 247 uniformed MBTA officers and four bomb sniffing dogs.

"We want the MBTA to be inhospitable to terrorists. They can go someplace else," he said.

Carter said the planned searches will randomly pick out riders and are not aimed at singling out anyone.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: 4a; amtrak; boston; constitution; constitutional; homelandsecurity; leo; ma; massachusetts; police; railroad; search; seizure; threats; transit; transportation
So the concept is to randomly search the personal effects of citizens to make us all more 'secure.'

Call me old fashioned, but I think the fourth amendment is clear:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Not too hard to understand, even for the public (government) schooled.

1 posted on 06/09/2004 4:52:23 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT
ACHTUNG!

FMCDH(BITS)

2 posted on 06/09/2004 4:56:19 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: JOAT

WTC Tower # 1 should hereafter be labelled "Fourth Ammendment".

WTC Tower # 2 should hereafter be labelled "Second Ammendment".

Al Quiada has won: we eagerly give up liberty for "safety".


3 posted on 06/09/2004 4:56:48 PM PDT by lightman
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To: JOAT
Carter said the planned searches will randomly pick out riders and are not aimed at singling out anyone.

effing brilliant.

FMCDH(BITS)

4 posted on 06/09/2004 4:58:14 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: JOAT
Walking in public will now be the same as attempting to go through airport security.

Please remove your shoes before entering the subway station.

5 posted on 06/09/2004 4:58:42 PM PDT by glorgau
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To: JOAT

Do you think they will find "WHITEY" riding the rails?
Has the ACLU be consulted on this?
Is Mz. Teri H. going to be commuting on the rails?
Is the Irish ambassador going to be riding the rails?


6 posted on 06/09/2004 4:59:00 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: JOAT
Boston's transit police will randomly search subway and commuter train riders' bags and packages, making it the first American city to do so after March's deadly bombings in Spain, officials said on Tuesday.

So much for the 4th

7 posted on 06/09/2004 5:02:47 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Resolve to perform what you must; perform without fail that what you resolve.)
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To: JOAT

CLEAR violation of the 4th Amendment.

Not that it matters, I guess.

So called "DUI roadblocks" are also clear violations of the 4th Amendment, but have been upheld by the courts.


8 posted on 06/09/2004 5:04:00 PM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: JOAT
Oh, relax. These are the Boston police. Unless you are a woman of child-bearing years you're unlikely to be stripped or groped or gaped at unwholesomely--you could be wearing jellabas and a ninja mask with an explosive belt and you'd hardly be noticed at all unless you had awesome breasts and those pouty, bee-sting lips.
9 posted on 06/09/2004 5:04:07 PM PDT by Asclepius (protectionists would outsource our dignity and prosperity in return for illusory job security)
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To: JOAT

Not hard to understand, but easy to ignore.


10 posted on 06/09/2004 5:04:20 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: JOAT

how idiotic can you get?

..."searches will randomly pick out riders and are not aimed at singling out anyone"...

Those Back-Bay grandmothers and little white Irish babies will be randomly searched so as not to offend Mr and Ms Mohammed.


11 posted on 06/09/2004 5:04:55 PM PDT by jolie560 (hE)
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To: glorgau
Please remove your shoes before entering the subway station.

Random searches are much more constitutionally suspect (fancy talk for illegal) than are fixed checkpoints. I don't think this will pass muster, and I predict it will be quietly dropped after the Demo. convention.

12 posted on 06/09/2004 5:05:12 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: JOAT
Boston's transit police will randomly search subway and commuter train riders' bags and packages

Unless the passenger is arab, young, male, wearing loose garments, and appears nervous, in this case the inspectors will quickly leave the car.

13 posted on 06/09/2004 5:07:52 PM PDT by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: JOAT
Boston's transit police will randomly search subway and commuter train riders' bags and packages, making it the first American city to do so after March's deadly bombings in Spain, officials said on Tuesday.

"This is a proactive policy designed to deter and prevent a terrorist attack," Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority Police Chief Joseph Carter said.

Mohammad, the chicken $#it Infidels will do random searches, so leave your turban on and don't shave. Act outraged if they wan to search you. Tell them you will sue them for profiling.

A million riders a day? One stinking sneeze in one of those confined cattle cars and you have 80 infected others. Really, since I stopped riding the Transit years ago, I then stopped getting colds and the flu.

14 posted on 06/09/2004 5:14:49 PM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some know what's good for others, some make goods for others; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: nothingnew
Good Evening All-

Posted by nothingnew:
"...ACHTUNG!..."

The truly sad part about this story is that many, many Americans will embrace it as "common sense" and feel just peachy about the police rummaging through their briefcases, diaper bags, beach totes, and gym bags.

The wild-eyed Jihadist with the bomb is going to detonate himself the moment police are seen in the area. The better bet is a well-armed, empowered populace who can potentially prevent tragedy when they hear the Jihadist murder cry of "Allah Akbar!" in the streets.

[/rant]

~ Blue Jays ~

15 posted on 06/09/2004 5:17:19 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: JOAT
BAAAAAAAAAAA said the sheeple as the tear constitution to shreds.
16 posted on 06/09/2004 5:20:29 PM PDT by zeugma (The Great Experiment is over.)
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To: snopercod
Hi Snopercod-

You tend to be interested in these 4th Amendment stories. Take a look and hold on to your hat...

~ Blue Jays ~

17 posted on 06/09/2004 5:20:31 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: JOAT

If I were in Boston I'd take some time to haul a very suspicious-looking bag full of copies of the Constitution with the 4th Amendment highlighted around the subway system.

So by "random" do they mean grannies and schoolkids too? Or just Muslim-looking folk?


18 posted on 06/09/2004 5:56:57 PM PDT by thoughtomator (Yitgadal v'yitgadash Shmei Raba)
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To: Asclepius

LOLOLOL.

Thanks for a good laugh on a sad day.


19 posted on 06/09/2004 6:08:13 PM PDT by Burn24
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To: nothingnew

You know old Ted Kennedy would be raising hell about this if it were occuring anywhere else. But to save his fat a$$ and any of the liberals it is OK!


20 posted on 06/09/2004 6:12:01 PM PDT by gunnedah
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To: gunnedah
Good Evening All-

Gunnedah, why would Ted Kennedy complain about Big GovernmentTM encroaching on the little people? The day that government starts getting smaller is the day that his job becomes threatened.

~ Blue Jays ~

21 posted on 06/09/2004 6:59:30 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: JOAT

You can have multiculturalism or you can have freedom, you can't have both. When you acquiesce to the former you give up the latter.


22 posted on 06/09/2004 10:26:37 PM PDT by jordan8
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To: JOAT
Carter said the planned searches will randomly pick out riders and are not aimed at singling out anyone.

"Randomly"?! I don't like it. Especially if the suspect looking Middle Eastern young men will not be searched for the sake of political correctness. How many blond female Presbyterians from New Hampshire were among WTC bombers? It is getting insane. Why the Americans should be giving up their freedoms if the likely terrorists will be exempt from the scrutiny?

23 posted on 06/24/2004 6:04:56 PM PDT by A. Pole ("When they start beheading your own people[...], then you will know what this is all about." - Slobo)
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To: lightman
Get lost.
24 posted on 06/24/2004 6:12:01 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: A. Pole
"Randomly"?! I don't like it. Especially if the suspect looking Middle Eastern young men will not be searched for the sake of political correctness.
I think some of you people's posting rights should be restricted on the grounds of inability to interpret a press release by the Boston PD that a) puts terrorists on notice that bags will be searched and does so b) by containing the usual 'politically correct' language that must be used when issuing such notice.

I hate it when we have to go back to a 101 level/introductory course to explain things that should be known/understood by 'you people' ...

25 posted on 06/24/2004 6:22:44 PM PDT by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: JOAT
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall ...
Do you see a key word in that excerpt above?

Do you have any idea what the framers of the Constitution may have had in mind when they strategically placed that modifying term in there?

Contrary to some thinking common today, the Constitution is not a suicide pact that provides a means abolishing 'The Union' at the hands of terrorists at the insistence of the libertarians and with the aiding and abetting of the liberals ...

26 posted on 06/24/2004 6:32:54 PM PDT by _Jim ( <--- Ann C. and Rush L. speak on gutless Liberals (RealAudio files))
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To: JOAT

Yet another "unreasonable search and seizure" in our emerging Amerikan police state.


27 posted on 06/24/2004 6:34:16 PM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: glorgau
Walking in public will now be the same as attempting to go through airport security. Please remove your shoes before entering the subway station.

If you don't want to be searched, don't go out in public. Anyway, why would you object if you don't have anything to hide?

/sarcasm

28 posted on 06/24/2004 6:35:34 PM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: Blue Jays
The truly sad part about this story is that many, many Americans will embrace it as "common sense" and feel just peachy about the police rummaging through their briefcases, diaper bags, beach totes, and gym bags.

Many Americans view their "security" as directly proportional to the number of cops they see, and the number of times their Rights are violated by illegal searches, illegal gun edicts, etc....

29 posted on 06/24/2004 6:37:40 PM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: JOAT

Great movie, especially when the kid hops on the whale and ride it home


30 posted on 06/24/2004 6:38:39 PM PDT by Porterville (Fight Communism, vote Republican- and piss on france)
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To: Mulder
Yet another unreasonable ideologue whines about his happiness being robbed by his fantasy boogeymen.
31 posted on 06/24/2004 6:45:29 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: lightman

What you say is not that far from the truth.


32 posted on 06/24/2004 6:46:31 PM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: _Jim
I think some of you people's posting rights should be restricted on the grounds of inability to interpret a press release by the Boston PD that a) puts terrorists on notice that bags will be searched and does so b) by containing the usual 'politically correct' language that must be used when issuing such notice.

Maybe. My shoes are checked every time when I go through the airport. It makes me feel safe. :)

33 posted on 06/24/2004 6:50:24 PM PDT by A. Pole ("When they start beheading your own people[...], then you will know what this is all about." - Slobo)
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To: Cultural Jihad
Yet another unreasonable ideologue whines about his happiness being robbed by his fantasy boogeymen.

There is nothing "unreasonable" about demanding that the gov't abide by their contract (the Constitution) with 'we the people'.

As for "whining", you need to read some of the stuff by Otis, Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Jefferson. Those guys were major league "whiners" by your standard.

And as for "happiness being robbed by fantasy boogeymen", perhaps I should post some "before and after" pictures of children that were murdered by your "fantasy boogeymen" at Waco, or maybe post links to articles referring to thousands of Americans who lives have been ruined by these figments of my imagination.

34 posted on 06/24/2004 7:31:00 PM PDT by Mulder (Those who would give up liberty for temporary security, deserve neither -- Ben Franklin)
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To: A. Pole
My shoes are checked every time when I go through the airport. It makes me feel safe. :)

On the other hand, I'm usually thinking that the large number of people concentrated in the security lines would make an ideal terrorist target.

35 posted on 06/24/2004 7:43:46 PM PDT by ThinkDifferent
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To: _Jim
Do you have any idea what the framers of the Constitution may have had in mind when they strategically placed that modifying term in there?

Evidently your 'reasoning' is that it is not unreasonable to pick a person at random and search their belongings.

You conveniently excerpted the 4th amendment, but a simple glance at the ENTIRE 4th demonstrates intent:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

The simple fact that the framers demanded warrants to name specific persons or things to be seized reveals the error of your statement regarding 'unreasonable.'

The dead white men who drafted the bill of rights understood the nature of governments and the propensity to enlarge their powers. They went out of their way to make it inconvenient, no difficult, for government to harass its owners by putting restrictions in place to prohibit random, blanket fishing expeditions.

So yeah, '_Jim', I DO 'have an idea' what the framers had in mind when they inserted the key phrase 'unreasonable' in the 4th, and I even went to publicke skool.

36 posted on 06/24/2004 10:39:14 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: JOAT

So if they are searching me, and see my handgun, will they not let me board? Or will they let me board after seeing my permit?


37 posted on 07/26/2004 10:28:33 PM PDT by rsilvers
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