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Please, no more 1960s
The Guardian ^ | 6/9/04 | Jonathan Freedland

Posted on 06/10/2004 9:21:50 AM PDT by qam1

Has any generation in history ever banged on about itself more and with less merit than the baby boomers?

Oh good, another 1960s retrospective. And another. And another. You can't move for celebrations of "the decade that changed the world forever". Tate Britain is honouring the art of the swinging decade in an exhibition starting at the end of the month. BBC Four is a week into its Summer in the Sixties season, while the Sunday Times magazine is devoting acres to the 10 years that shook the planet.

Why this surge of interest? Has a milestone passed? Or is there no better excuse than the fact that 2004 marks the 40th anniversary of 1964?

Not that the 60s generation need a reason to celebrate themselves and all their works. They rarely stop. Open a magazine or click on the TV any time and before long you'll see the raddled face of, say, David Bailey, cackling as he recalls how many beautiful women he slept with in those golden years. Next Alan Parker, Terence Stamp or Ken Russell will pop up to pay homage to David, each other and the decade that made them all.

To put the question simply: has any other generation ever banged on about itself more and with less merit?

I spent the weekend in Normandy with veterans of D-day, a group who can list saving the world among their collective achievements. They were studies in stoic modesty, depicting themselves as frightened lads who had only been doing their duty. Yet their children, the baby boomers, born at war's end, have no such reserve. They claim for themselves much greater accomplishments, constructing nothing less than a new society.

Note how everything they did was a first, a "revolution". Most have quoted Philip Larkin so often - "sexual intercourse began in 1963" - they've come to believe it, imagining their bedhopping was a genuine innovation. They seem unaware of the hedonistic 1920s, the naughty 1890s, the bawdy 18th century, to say nothing of the Roman and Greek empires. No, in their eyes, promiscuity was unheard of till they invented it.

They were "the first teenagers" too, as if before 1960 children mysteriously skipped from age 12 to 20 overnight. I know, I know - they're referring to the youth rebellion that gave the 60s its fire. Except that wasn't new either. In 1911, 30 kids walked out of Bigyn school in Llanelli, to protest over the caning of one of their peers, sparking a pupils' strike across Britain. Young people were at the forefront of the conscientious objection movement in the first world war a few years later. Whenever there has been a call for change, youth has usually been its voice.

Perhaps historical accuracy is not really the point. When the 60s crowd insist they were the first young people to walk the Earth, they mean it was the first time they had walked the Earth - and that's what counts. For what underpins all this 60s mania is solipsism on a massive scale: because it happened to me, it must have happened to everyone and must matter enormously. Thus David Frost sighs at "the joy, the exhilaration of being in your 20s - to be young was very heaven". I could say the same about my experience of the 1990s, but Tate Britain wouldn't do an exhibition about that.

All of us enjoy or enjoyed being young, but that hardly makes it a social phenomenon. "It was nirvana," recalls Eric Stewart of 10cc. "We were being paid huge sums of money for enjoying ourselves." No doubt Wayne Rooney or the boys from Busted would say the same today, but that doesn't make it a revolution. It takes the arrogance of the 60s generation to confuse their own agreeable personal experience with a historical shift.

The flipside of this thinking is that, just as the world was good when they were young, it must be bad now that they're old. So today's music, television, films and politics are all dismissed as pale successors of their 1960s forebears. We'll get to the substance of this charge in due course, but does it not strike the Mick Jaggers and Harold Pinters how much they now resemble the William Rees-Moggs and Mary Whitehouses they once lampooned, both generations sharing in the same dim view of modernity?

This conservative cast of mind should not be such a surprise. For all the grand talk of revolution, epitomised by the 1968 crowd who still regard sitting down in a few university offices as the height of political action, the 60s achieved strikingly little. The hedonism and search for self-realisation of that decade took just 20 years to calcify into the selfish individualism and materialism of the 1980s, with the old political content rapidly dropped. Sure, they still wore the laidback patina of 60s peace and love - businessmen in Richard Branson-style beard and jeans - but they were and are as hard-nosed as the capitalists they had once pretended to detest.

Even at the time, they were always more chic than radical. The sexism of the period was rank: women were "chicks" to be used as decorations or sexual playthings. The pill was hailed as a tool of liberation but, as writer Mike Phillips shrewdly tells BBC Four, it made women "not free, just more available". Nor did many of the great partygoers of the age seem too troubled by the racism in evidence all around them. Sarah Miles may remember "love bursting out all over", but there was not much love on the streets of Notting Hill or Smethwick. Enoch Powell made his "rivers of blood" speech in 1968, but it was not till the 70s - so easily mocked as the decade of naff - that the next generation of musicians did what Eric Clapton and the rest had palpably failed to do, forming Rock against Racism and taking political action that actually meant something.

There is a rightwing critique of those times, and BBC Four will air it on Saturday with I Hate the Sixties. The programme argues that this was the period in which Britain lost its moorings, destroying the grammar schools, undermining the church and ushering in the permissive society. That is not my critique. I am grateful for the reforms that saw censorship lifted, homosexuality legalised and some of the pain of bitter divorce and back-street abortion alleviated. (Although left and right can surely unite on the folly of 60s planning policy: old Victorian housing demolished to make way for high-rise monstrosities, centuries-old town centres smashed for soulless concrete.)

No, my objection to the 60s generation is their own endless self-regard, their brimming confidence that everything they touch betters all that has come before or since. To puncture their arrogance, it might be worth taking the fight on to their strongest territory. Yes, the 60s produced some first-rate music and the Beatles remain the greatest band ever. But scan the charts and you soon see that the soundtrack of the 60s was not made up of Lennon and McCartney alone, but the Barron Knights and the Bachelors. Next time you see the smug face of a 60s veteran, utter these two words: Englebert Humperdinck.


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1 posted on 06/10/2004 9:21:51 AM PDT by qam1
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To: qam1; ItsOurTimeNow; PresbyRev; tortoise; Fraulein; StoneColdGOP; Clemenza; malakhi; m18436572; ...
Xer Ping

Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981) including all the spending previous generations (i.e. The Baby Boomers) are doing that Gen-X and Y will end up paying for.

Freep mail me to be added or dropped. See my home page for details.

2 posted on 06/10/2004 9:23:43 AM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: qam1

As a boomer, I have to agree..our generation is the most self-centered in history and will bankrupt this country when they start to hit 65. This is the generation personal websites were invented for because of the illusion that anyone really gives a flying crap about our "greatness" or "revolution. I hope the country survives us.


3 posted on 06/10/2004 9:27:45 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: qam1

As a boomer, I have to agree..our generation is the most self-centered in history and will bankrupt this country when they start to hit 65. This is the generation personal websites were invented for because of the illusion that anyone really gives a flying crap about our "greatness" or "revolution". I hope the country survives us.


4 posted on 06/10/2004 9:27:53 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: qam1

exactly right


5 posted on 06/10/2004 9:28:18 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (We are the Hegemon. We can do anything we damned well please.)
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To: qam1

Except for the part about homosexuality and abortion, this is a great article.


6 posted on 06/10/2004 9:28:50 AM PDT by Paul Atreides (Didn't your father tell you that unnecessary excerpting will make you go blind?)
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To: qam1

>>>>>>>>To put the question simply: has any other generation ever banged on about itself more and with less merit?

Probably not.


7 posted on 06/10/2004 9:29:34 AM PDT by .cnI redruM (Reagan was put on earth to do two things: kick butt and chew gum, and he ran out of gum around 1962)
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To: qam1

boomers... never has any generation crowed so much about accomplishing so little.


8 posted on 06/10/2004 9:30:16 AM PDT by King Prout (the difference between "trained intellect" and "indoctrinated intellectual" is an Abyssal gulf)
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To: qam1; All

Well, I do like the short skirts! Mary Quant ROUAWH bump!


9 posted on 06/10/2004 9:32:10 AM PDT by GunsareOK
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To: qam1
I spent the weekend in Normandy with veterans of D-day, a group who can list saving the world among their collective achievements. They were studies in stoic modesty, depicting themselves as frightened lads who had only been doing their duty. Yet their children, the baby boomers, born at war's end, have no such reserve. They claim for themselves much greater accomplishments, constructing nothing less than a new society.

The baby boomers were to their parents as Commodus was to Marcus Aurelius.

10 posted on 06/10/2004 9:45:24 AM PDT by Agnes Heep (Solus cum sola non cogitabuntur orare pater noster)
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To: steve8714
will bankrupt this country when they start to hit 65.

I suppose that you are just speaking for yourself. I am 58 years old and have been retired for almost 5 years (Not on social security) and I personally had nothing to do with starting and perpetuating the social security system that I assume you are referring to that's going bust when all us "boomers" hit social security retirement age.

Social security started before I was born. I have voted for conservative candidates since I have been old enough to vote.

I didn't do it Steve, if you want to accept responsibility for the mess, that's your call

11 posted on 06/10/2004 9:46:49 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: qam1

Uh, it's Gen-Reagan, now, according to Cinnamon Girl. Can you please add me to your Footloose-dancing, After-school Special-watching, Gen-Reagan ping list.


12 posted on 06/10/2004 9:48:55 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Reagan was right.)
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To: qam1

Rush has a Gen-Reaganer on right now!!!


13 posted on 06/10/2004 9:49:49 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Reagan was right.)
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To: qam1
Next time you see the smug face of a 60s veteran, utter these two words: Englebert Humperdinck.

Why is this supposed to rattle me?
Humperdinck wasn't a Boomer. He was born in '36.
When his songs hit the pop-charts in '67, it was a clear vindication of the axiom "don't trust anybody over 30".
Jonathan Freedland has absolutely no idea what he's talking about.
Humperdinck was more popular with the Frank Sinatra, Perry Como, Dean Martin generation of music fans. Same with Ed Ames.

14 posted on 06/10/2004 9:50:06 AM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: qam1

All that the Boomers ever did for me was make the '70s atrocious to live through, make me watch "The Big Chill" in class and sing "All we are saying is give peace a chance" IN CHURCH (!!!), and then the same crowd that disavowed corporate America in the 1960's and '70s were hogging all the jobs just as I was getting out of college and looking for one. And then, they had the audacity to call me a SLACKER!!!


15 posted on 06/10/2004 9:52:45 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Reagan was right.)
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To: qam1
As far as I can tell, only two events of the 60s warrant any mention at all.

I was born and some guy walked on the moon.

>:P

16 posted on 06/10/2004 9:53:51 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: hispanarepublicana

PS: They also earned me detention by filling my Elementary School English and "Reading" textbooks with stories by African Americans, Hispanics and Native Americans, who seemed incapable of writing about anything BUT BEING African Americans, Hispanics and Native Americans. I DARED TO ASK my Boomer Teacher why these writers were incapable of writing about anything but one issue, and I got detention.


17 posted on 06/10/2004 9:55:18 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Reagan was right.)
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To: qam1
"sexual intercourse began in 1963"

Well, for some people, it did. (No names, please.)

imagining their bedhopping was a genuine innovation.

And for some people, bedhopping was never part of their repertoire.

18 posted on 06/10/2004 10:03:34 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: qam1

The 60's youth was the first generation that managed to fool itself into an assumption of moral superiority and actually manage to hang onto that illusion into maturity (if you can call it that). It's a sort of cultural arrested adolescence, and is the reason so many of them cling so desperately to adolescent politics, adolescent morality, adolescent self-images. It's the reason so many indulge in such grotesque behaviors as frying their epidermises on tanning beds and injecting bacterial toxins into their faces to prevent the honorable signs of age. And yes, I'm "talkin' about my g-g-g-generation..."


19 posted on 06/10/2004 10:09:21 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: qam1

Please add me to the Gen X list.


20 posted on 06/10/2004 10:13:05 AM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space outsourced to India)
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To: qam1
The decade of the sixties is absolutely nothing to brag about. It was the end of innocence in this country. I know that for some, that was "liberation;" for the country, as a whole, it was that part of the roller coaster ride where you go nearly vertical, in this case, straight down. I know that we are spiralling down toward the "end times," it just seems a shame that we made efforts in the '60s to accelerate that time prematurely.
21 posted on 06/10/2004 10:13:41 AM PDT by elephantlips
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To: steve8714
..our generation is the most self-centered in history and will bankrupt this country when they start to hit 65.

Not if the Gen-X and Gen-Y people start participating and voting as if their life depends on it -- because it does.

The liberal boomers already cannot pull a majority except in the urban leftist jungles. Each election cycle they will fall further behind, so long as the younger voters Just Say No! to the Boomers' retirement bonanza.

22 posted on 06/10/2004 10:13:54 AM PDT by meadsjn
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To: Graybeard58

Personally, no...but look around and remember these idiots who doped it up, smoked it up, lived on the dole and re-elcted pols like Gephart and President Clinton.


23 posted on 06/10/2004 10:36:30 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: qam1

It was once stated that if you remember the '60s you never really lived it. Does that mean these people who can't get over it are just making up nonsense?


24 posted on 06/10/2004 10:39:14 AM PDT by HungarianGypsy (Rest in Peace, Mr. President!)
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To: meadsjn

Amen...I hope to work until I die, but I have so much fun doing it there is no reason to retire.


25 posted on 06/10/2004 10:39:20 AM PDT by steve8714
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To: steve8714
"I hope the country survives us."

I was born in '57. My mom was born in '23. This stuff all started to hit me around the time Clinton was elected, thanks in part to Rush. I remember telling her then, that "I fear for this country when your generation's gone (and mine's running the show completely)."

Our country and it's media was forced by it's pretense to temporarily suspend the collective Bush bashing to honor the WWII generation when the WWII Memorial was dedicated two weeks ago. THEN Ronald Reagan passed away.

I view tomorrow's funeral as a funeral for the WWII generation and it's era, as well as for Ronaldis Magnus himself. I still fear for this country.

26 posted on 06/10/2004 10:45:03 AM PDT by oprahstheantichrist
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To: qam1

Great article.

Did you ever notice that the folks who complain or boast the least are the ones who've had it the hardest lives?

Driving up and seeing my ancient Granny smiling and tending a garden on a sweltering Alabama day, for instance.


27 posted on 06/10/2004 10:47:43 AM PDT by myheroesareDeadandRegistered
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To: qam1
>Ping list for the discussion of the politics and social aspects that directly effects Generation-X (Those born from 1965-1981)

There were some good things
and good times for these people.
My personal pick

for most romantic
song ever written came in
'77 --

Way on the other side of the Hudson,
deep in the bosom of suburbia,
I met a young girl, she sang mighty fine,
Tears on My Pillow and Ave Maria.
Standing by the waterfall in Paramus Park
she was working for the Friends-of-BAI
She was collecting quarters in a paper cup.
She was looking for change and so was I.

She was a Jewish girl. I fell in love with her.
She wrote her number on the back of my hand.
I called her up, I was all out of breath, I said,
"Come hear me play in my rock and roll band.
I took a shower and I put on my best blue jeans.
I picked her up in my new VW van.
She wore a peasant blouse with nothing underneath.
I said, "Hi". She said, "Yeah, I guess I am."

Ariel…

We had a little time, we were real hungry.
We went to Dairy Queen for something to eat.
She had some onion rings. She had a pickle.
She forgot to tell me that she didn't eat meat.
I had a gig in the American Legion Hall.
It was a dance for the Volunteer Ambulance Corp.
She was sitting in a corner against the wall.
She would smile and I melted all over the floor.

Ariel…

I took her home with me. We watched some TV,
Annette Funicello and some guy going steady.
I started fooling around with the vertical hold.
We got the munchies and I made some spaghetti.
We sat and we talked into the night,
while channel 2 was signing off the air.
I found the softness of her mouth.
We made love to bombs bursting in Arrrrrriel….

Ariel…

[Ariel, Dean Friedman]

28 posted on 06/10/2004 10:58:07 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: qam1

But the furniture is so cool...


29 posted on 06/10/2004 11:03:49 AM PDT by wallcrawlr (WWRD? WHAT WOULD REAGAN DO?)
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To: DumpsterDiver

"sexual intercourse began in 1963"

When I was a teenager (during the Reagan era) my father would get exasperated and say, "You kids all think you invented sex!"


30 posted on 06/10/2004 11:06:55 AM PDT by Explorer89 ("And now," cried Max, "Let the wild rumpus start!")
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To: hispanarepublicana

But I thought we were whiners AND slackers? Isn't that what someone on the Gen-Reagan thread called us? Or more accurately 'most' of us are whiners, if I remember correctly.

The Boomers have me half convinced that there was no band before or after the Beatles.


31 posted on 06/10/2004 11:09:39 AM PDT by Betis70
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To: Explorer89
"You kids all think you invented sex!"

The follies of youth! ;^)

32 posted on 06/10/2004 11:10:31 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: qam1

The Sixties---what a waste! To be really blunt - what a tragedy for so many! And to think there are still those who look back in a fond nostalgia confusing their youthful surges and the cultural debasement of those times...I guess there are those who can only handle life in a fog.


33 posted on 06/10/2004 11:22:11 AM PDT by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent---then Destroy)
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To: Graybeard58
Thanks Greybeard for defending the "boomers".

I was born in 1946. Joined the Navy and started paying Social Security in 1964. Retired after 29 years and started over in a new career. I once calculated that I would have to live to the age of 108 just to get back the principal I put into the system. 57 years of paying and (if I'm lucky), around 15 years of pay back.

Not exactly a "retirement bonanza" as one poster has asserted.

Will I draw SS when I am eligible? You bet I will.

BTW, it will be decrimented significantly, because of my military retired pay. Can't be having anyone getting more than our elected representatives now, can we?

34 posted on 06/10/2004 11:23:54 AM PDT by a6intruder (downtown with big bombs)
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To: a6intruder

I too have been "contributing" to the system since 1966. I will start getting SS at 62. My contributions, matched by my employers, are well into six figures and I don't know if I'll break even either. Back to the 60s, I think it was a great time to attempt to grow up. Most of my friends served their country during Vietnam and have been hard-working, productive Citizens.


35 posted on 06/10/2004 11:42:36 AM PDT by jsraggmann
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To: oprahstheantichrist
This stuff all started to hit me around the time Clinton was elected, thanks in part to Rush.

I hope you mean that it 'started to hit you... thanks to Rush,' not that Clinton was elected thanks to Rush, LOL.

36 posted on 06/10/2004 11:52:03 AM PDT by Sloth (We cannot defeat foreign enemies of the Constitution if we yield to the domestic ones.)
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To: Betis70

Who are The Beatles?


37 posted on 06/10/2004 12:16:12 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Reagan was right.)
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To: hispanarepublicana

I saw the start of Cinnamon Girl's thread, count me among Gen-Reagan.


38 posted on 06/10/2004 12:30:46 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Willie Green
What's more, Englebert Humperdinck toured with Jimi Hendrix. Jimi even sat in with Humperdinck's band one night.

Englebert still tours, not so Jimi. Excess takes its toll.

39 posted on 06/10/2004 12:32:46 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: Billthedrill

Some icons of the 1960s (Timothy Leary, the Beats, some of the "protest" leaders) weren't baby boomers but they embraced the wave of hedonism (and young flesh). They also made a fortune off it.


40 posted on 06/10/2004 12:35:53 PM PDT by weegee (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. ~~Ronald Reagan)
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To: weegee

Add me to the ping list too!


41 posted on 06/10/2004 12:37:20 PM PDT by TypeZoNegative (Isn't it ironic that the spleen, most useless organ in our body is also on the left side of our body)
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To: qam1

"I hate the Sixties"... heh, heh, heh.

I do hope that comes to a TV screen near me soon. I'd enjoy watching it with my parents (Boomers both), although I have a sneaking suspicion my mother would get snaky and stalk off after my first cackle.


42 posted on 06/10/2004 5:08:01 PM PDT by KangarooJacqui ("Those who say that we're in a time when there are no heroes, they just don't know where to look.")
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To: Billthedrill

"The 60's youth was the first generation that managed to fool itself into an assumption of moral superiority and actually manage to hang onto that illusion into maturity (if you can call it that)."

Noooo..... the scariest thing was that they managed to fool their ELDERS into thinking that 'the kids' were the wise ones... that authority was illegitimate... the keepers of the civilization just threw wide the doors to those who wanted to trash it. And trash it they did.


43 posted on 06/10/2004 5:30:13 PM PDT by Shazolene
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To: Sloth
D'oh! Yeah, I guess it could read like that, couldn't it? No, the enlightenment was due to Rush, Clinton was due to Perot.
44 posted on 06/10/2004 5:54:08 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist
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To: qam1
you'll see the raddled face of, say, David Bailey

Who the heck is David Bailey?

45 posted on 06/10/2004 6:05:41 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: KangarooJacqui
"I do hope that comes to a TV screen near me soon."

Me too! I'd LOVE to see that.

46 posted on 06/10/2004 6:12:33 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist
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To: KangarooJacqui
"I hate the Sixties"... heh, heh, heh.

I'd like to see that too. Unfortunately here in America we are also going to have a baby boomer love fest T.V. special called "Boomer Nation" and they are going to praise Oprah Winfrey as being the ultimate boomer.

I do hope that comes to a TV screen near me soon. I'd enjoy watching it with my parents (Boomers both), although I have a sneaking suspicion my mother would get snaky and stalk off after my first cackle.

Good Luck, I love to show my baby boomers parents, Though they know their generation was screwed up (but they still think the WWII generation was the worst) so they wouldn't be too pissed off about it, If I laugh I already know what my mother would say which is what she always says since I was in Kindergarten when I bring up the Baby boomers which is "Hey, We are the reason you were allowed to wear blue jeans to school"

I guess fighting for and winning the right for kids to be allowed to wear blue jeans to school is the Baby Boomers biggest accophishment according to my mom. But I guess that's where it all started, If the WWII generation didn't give in the Baby boomers wouldn't have been egged on to protest later.

47 posted on 06/10/2004 6:26:48 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: weegee
I saw the start of Cinnamon Girl's thread, count me among Gen-Reagan.

I read that one, too. I have pretty much the same memories as she listed. Reagan was the first president I voted for. I was in college and remember stagflation and gas lines.

By strict definition and by many measurements, I am a Boomer. But by CG's definition, I am Gen Reagan.

I'm just afraid that if I say I am Gen Reagan, everyone will substitute "Gen X" and take me for a spoiled-rotten slacker.

OTOH The Xers get to trot out Clinton as a boomer (he was leading edge) as well as the then-important-now-self-important overaged hippies so emblematic of the Boomers.

I'll wait and see how the defintion emerges. If it makes any Gen-Xers feel any better, I am not figuring on seeing a dime of Social Security that I have contributed into for 25 years and will have put in almost 50 years before I am done.

And yes, Gen-X is viewed as slackers. Its Gen-X kids that seem to be getting their act together.

48 posted on 06/10/2004 6:36:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (I want to die in my sleep like Gramps -- not yelling and screaming like those in his car)
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To: KC_Conspirator; hispanarepublicana

You are both added, Welcome to the ping list

I just counted the number of people on the list and there is now 105,

Wow! I never expected to have that many when I started the thing.

And only one drop out so far(Well really 3 but the other two left freerepublic entirely).

Anyone know the freeper ping list record?


49 posted on 06/10/2004 6:42:17 PM PDT by qam1 (Tommy Thompson is a Fat-tubby, Fascist)
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To: qam1
" they are going to praise Oprah Winfrey as being the ultimate boomer.

I rest my case.

50 posted on 06/10/2004 6:51:56 PM PDT by oprahstheantichrist
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