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Lake vanishes almost overnight; sinkhole drains man-made body of water near St. Louis
Associated Press ^ | June 11, 2004 | Associated Press Staff

Posted on 06/12/2004 6:36:04 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP


Lake vanishes almost overnight

Sinkhole drains man-made body of water near St. Louis

09:05 PM CDT on Friday, June 11, 2004

Associated Press

WILDWOOD, Mo. – To people around Wildwood, it is nothing but freaky: an entire 23-acre lake vanished in a matter of days, as if someone pulled the plug on a bathtub.

Lake Chesterfield went down a sinkhole this week, leaving homeowners in this affluent St. Louis suburb wondering whether their property values disappeared along with their lakeside views.

"It's real creepy," said Donna Ripp, who lives near what had been Lake Chesterfield. "That lake was 23 acres – no small lake. And to wake up one morning, drive by and it's gone?"

What once was an oasis for waterfowl and sailboats was nothing but a muddy, crackled pit outlined by rotting fish.

The sight had 74-year-old George English scratching his head.

"It's disheartening, getting out on your deck and seeing this," he said as he stood next to wife, Betty, and the "lakeside" condominium they bought in 1996 for its view. "One day it's a beautiful lake and now, bingo, it's gone."

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Sam Leone/St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Residents of Wildwood, Mo., are concerned about their property values now that the 23-acre Lake Chesterfield is nothing more than a muddy indentation.

Some residents said they noticed that the lake, after being swelled by torrential rains weeks earlier, began falling last weekend. The Englishes said they noticed the drop-off Monday.

By Wednesday, the man-made lake – normally seven to 10 feet deep in spots – had been reduced to a mucky, stinky mess.

David Taylor, a geologist who inspected the lake bed Wednesday, told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch that the sinkhole was formed when water eroded the limestone deep underground and created pockets in the rock. The sinkhole was "like a ticking time bomb."

The lake and surrounding housing development date to the late 1980s. The development now includes more than 670 condominiums and houses, about one-tenth of them bordering the lake.

Because the lake is private property, the subdivision's residents will have to cover the cost of fixing it, probably through special property assessments. Mr. English expects it to cost $1,000 a household.

It is a price Mr. English said he is willing to pay. He just wants the unsightly pit gone, either by refilling it with water or dumping enormous amounts of dirt into it to create green space or usable land.

"I think it'll come back again," he said. "You have to hope they can fix it."


Online at: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/061204dnnatsinkhole.29cc.html


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Missouri
KEYWORDS: environment; h20allgone; lowlowtide; marsneedswater; missouri; sinkhole; stlouis; thatsinkingfeeling; water; wildwood
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Alright. Who pulled the plug ??

1 posted on 06/12/2004 6:36:07 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeekOneGOP

stranger things have happened.

http://www.lft.k12.la.us/chs/la_studies/ParishSeries/IberiaParish/LakePeigneur.htm


2 posted on 06/12/2004 6:39:24 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

This is clearly bush's fault!


3 posted on 06/12/2004 6:39:43 AM PDT by flashbunny (Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

lol


4 posted on 06/12/2004 6:41:13 AM PDT by miltonim (Fight those who do not believe in Allah. - Koran, Surah IX: 29)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Because the lake is private property, the subdivision's residents will have to cover the cost of fixing it, probably through special property assessments. Mr. English expects it to cost $1,000 a household.

I can fix it more cheaply than that. Just buy several cases of:


5 posted on 06/12/2004 6:41:16 AM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: MeekOneGOP
This is in Missouri? All they need to do is have Senator Carnahan cry them a river, then route the water where it is needed. Case closed.
6 posted on 06/12/2004 6:41:55 AM PDT by Bernard
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To: MeekOneGOP

I saw this one on the tube last night. Odd.

Well, all the acid rain disolved some of the limestone, and it just ran out!

Damn suv's.

Seriously, I'd be out there with my metel detector before they fill it again.

Or try to annex the new property...


7 posted on 06/12/2004 6:41:59 AM PDT by djf
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To: MeekOneGOP

This is what happens when everyone flushes at once.


8 posted on 06/12/2004 6:43:49 AM PDT by Lurking in Kansas (Rest in Peace, President Reagan. **Greatest President of the 20th Century**)
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To: MeekOneGOP

Something similar happened to a small lake outside of Oklahoma City back 10-15 years ago. First question I have is wondering if the property tax premium that ''waterfront'' property owners often experience will be adjusted.


9 posted on 06/12/2004 6:44:14 AM PDT by elli1
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To: cripplecreek
Wow !

10 posted on 06/12/2004 6:45:51 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Hmm. Are they Democrats or Republicans?
11 posted on 06/12/2004 6:46:59 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some know what's good for others, some make goods for others; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: elli1

Don't hold your breath - taxes never go down.


12 posted on 06/12/2004 6:47:23 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We have the government we allow and deserve.)
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To: Agitate; StarCMC; TheEngineer; Bahbah; EagleMamaMT; LIB_CRUSHER; kid_in_kc; Jesse from Missouri; ...

Ping


13 posted on 06/12/2004 6:48:07 AM PDT by Missouri
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To: MeekOneGOP

Must have been a sight to see the barges shooting out of the salt mine.


14 posted on 06/12/2004 6:48:25 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

When I glanced at the title (before reading the story) I was thinking about Lake George, Australia. That Lake regularly disappears then reappears again. But the cause is a dry/wet season phenomenon.


15 posted on 06/12/2004 6:50:54 AM PDT by MrsEmmaPeel
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To: MeekOneGOP

How close is this to the New Madrid fault? Is this a precursor for another BIG ONE?


16 posted on 06/12/2004 6:52:50 AM PDT by Tazlo
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To: MeekOneGOP

"Because the lake is private property, the subdivision's residents will have to cover the cost of fixing it...."

Here is the good news.


17 posted on 06/12/2004 6:53:47 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: Bernard

Happily, we no longer have a Senator Carnahan.


18 posted on 06/12/2004 6:55:31 AM PDT by Bahbah
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To: MeekOneGOP

Well, looking at the picture, it seems seniors, women and children were hardest hit.


19 posted on 06/12/2004 6:55:33 AM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: MeekOneGOP

OH MY GOD!!!!!! IT'S THE DAY AFTER TOMORROW!!!!!!!!!!


20 posted on 06/12/2004 6:55:50 AM PDT by bad company (God speed Dutch)
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To: MeekOneGOP

That's a bummer


21 posted on 06/12/2004 6:56:54 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Some residents said they noticed that the lake, after being swelled by torrential rains weeks earlier, began falling last weekend...

If they think they have problems now, wait until the water-table falls during the next dry season.


22 posted on 06/12/2004 6:58:21 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Tazlo
How close is this to the New Madrid fault? Is this a precursor for another BIG ONE?

New Madrid's down near the bootheel. I don't think it had anything to do with this.

23 posted on 06/12/2004 6:59:07 AM PDT by tacticalogic (I Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: tacticalogic

Any seismic activity in the area, though?


24 posted on 06/12/2004 6:59:57 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: MeekOneGOP

They can plug it for $1000 per household?

That would be $1000 very well spent.


25 posted on 06/12/2004 7:00:16 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: MeekOneGOP
Someone poured too much of this into the lake.


26 posted on 06/12/2004 7:00:30 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It is not Bush's fault... it is the media's fault!)
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To: MeekOneGOP
Mr. English expects it to cost $1,000 a household.

Not that high an assessment for an affluent household to pay to overcome Mother Nature.

Alright. Who pulled the plug ??

God?
27 posted on 06/12/2004 7:00:55 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: cripplecreek
At first it was just a small opening, but as the water began to rush through it, the hole began to enlarge itself. More water rushed through, making the hole still larger, until finally it was big enough to engulf barges, tugboats, and the drilling rig that had begun the whole thing.

OOPS!!!
28 posted on 06/12/2004 7:02:40 AM PDT by R. Scott (Humanity i love you because when you're hard up you pawn your Intelligence to buy a drink.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
This area is often called Chesterfield and is in West St. Louis County. It is predominantly liberal; however it is right by St. Charles and St. Peters which are largely Repubican.

My sister lives in a neighboring subdivision. According to her, the talk is to see if the gov'ment might possibly chip in to help. Typical isn't it?

29 posted on 06/12/2004 7:02:47 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: mewzilla

Not that I've heard about.


30 posted on 06/12/2004 7:02:59 AM PDT by tacticalogic (I Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

That has got to stink to high heaven. Rotting fish--eeeoooow.


31 posted on 06/12/2004 7:03:26 AM PDT by Catspaw
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To: tacticalogic

How smart was it to make a man-made lake on top of a limestone bed? And even if they fix it, won't this just happen again?


32 posted on 06/12/2004 7:05:20 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: MeekOneGOP
Lake vanishes almost overnight

Well, she did lose quite a bit, but I don't know if I'd characterize it as almost vanishing overnight.

before

after
33 posted on 06/12/2004 7:06:13 AM PDT by Xenalyte (It's not often you see Johnny Mathis in the wild.)
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To: mewzilla

Depends on how stable it is. Limestone seems to have a wide variance of consistency, at least around here.


34 posted on 06/12/2004 7:10:17 AM PDT by tacticalogic (I Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: R. Scott

You should run a search of the story. People saw some once in a lifetime sights that day.

Persionally i would have loved to see the 1,100 foot gyeser comming from the mouth of the salt mine as it filled from the other end.


35 posted on 06/12/2004 7:12:54 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: MeekOneGOP

If this works like anything else a lawyer gets his slimy hands on, they will SUE their insurance company who will most likely pay and charge the rest of us who are not so stupid as to buy homes in unstable, dangerous areas.

Demand your insurance company quit "spreading the risk" nationwide to pay off other lawyers , judges and politicians who want their beach-front mansions in hurricane areas and want us to pay for them.


36 posted on 06/12/2004 7:13:03 AM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: Battle Axe
Thanks!

And here's a link to a FL state gov. sinkhole brochure. Pretty interesting.

38 posted on 06/12/2004 7:14:59 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
And even if they fix it, won't this just happen again?

Yep. They might dump enough bentonite in it to plug it up, but the water will find it's way back out again. It's just a question of how long.

39 posted on 06/12/2004 7:15:09 AM PDT by tacticalogic (I Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: tacticalogic

Nature happens :)


40 posted on 06/12/2004 7:16:54 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: tacticalogic

"Yep. They might dump enough bentonite in it to plug it up, but the water will find it's way back out again. It's just a question of how long."

My thoughts too. It might be broke worse than they can afford to fix.


41 posted on 06/12/2004 7:17:58 AM PDT by Rebelbase (AKA gassybrowneyedbum)
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To: cripplecreek

You link to Lake Peigneur is quite a story.


42 posted on 06/12/2004 7:18:15 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: cripplecreek

Wonder what the diameter of that drill was, that started the process that drained that whole lake?


43 posted on 06/12/2004 7:21:18 AM PDT by bvw
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To: mtbopfuyn

I first read about in in Readers Digest and ive seen video of in on one of the disaster shows they run on the history channel.

I'd love to hear about it from a Louisiana Freeper first hand perspective.


44 posted on 06/12/2004 7:22:57 AM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: cripplecreek
UNBELIEVABLE! From your link:

"According to the official report by federal mine safety investigators, "while the miners were escaping, the inundation rapidly became a torrent as water from Lake Peigneur drained into the mine at the 1,300-foot level. As the lake began emptying into the mine, a vast whirlpool approximately one-fourth of a mile in diameter developed in the lake. It caught in its grip a tugboat, a string of barges, and two Texaco oil rigs. Two boats on the lake managed to power their boat to shore. Within the next three hours, the entire lake disappeared into the mine. Normally, water from the lake flowed out through the Delcambre Canal to Vermilion Bay in the Gulf of Mexico. With the emptying of the lake, however, the water was flowing from the Delcambre Canal into the crater. This reverse flow continued for the next two days until the lake was once again filled with water, and the normal flow out into the canal recommenced. Approximately 30 shrimp boats in the canal, which was lined with seafood companies, were beached when the water level dropped as the canal was refilling Lake Peigneur. They were later refloated when the lake stabilized and the canal rose to its normal level." "

45 posted on 06/12/2004 7:24:50 AM PDT by Rebelbase (AKA gassybrowneyedbum)
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To: Bernard

Mrs. Carnahan...


46 posted on 06/12/2004 7:28:40 AM PDT by Bogey78O (McDonalds rejected slogan "Billions served....millions if not counting Michael Moore")
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To: cripplecreek

Before my time...


47 posted on 06/12/2004 7:31:28 AM PDT by Bogey78O (McDonalds rejected slogan "Billions served....millions if not counting Michael Moore")
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To: Bahbah
Oh, yeah. That's right.

48 posted on 06/12/2004 7:32:37 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
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To: SoftballMominVA

***My sister lives in a neighboring subdivision. According to her, the talk is to see if the gov'ment might possibly chip in to help. Typical isn't it?***

I'm not knocking free enterprise, but I'm wondering what kind of environmental studies were done by the builders who developed the lake and the surrounding area. In my own area which was largely built on a reclaimed swamp, houses are sinking into the ground. And the taxpayers will have to pay for it, while the builders get off free.


49 posted on 06/12/2004 7:37:04 AM PDT by kitkat (PLEASE STEAL THIS TAG: "The democrats would rather win the WH than the war." - Tom DeLay))
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To: Xenalyte
hehe !

50 posted on 06/12/2004 7:39:23 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
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