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UKIP set to grab 20% in Euro poll (REJECTING THE EU UPDATE)
The Sunday Times ^ | June 13, 2004 | David Cracknell and David Smith

Posted on 06/13/2004 3:41:09 AM PDT by MadIvan

THE UK Independence Party has won the support of one in five British voters in the European elections and is set to gain four times as many MEPs, senior party figures predicted last night.

They forecast that the party, which wants to pull out of the European Union, has captured 20% of the vote, boosting their strength in the European parliament from three to at least 12 seats. The result would put it in third place just behind Labour, which is expected to poll only a few per cent more, and ahead of the Liberal Democrats.

While the Tories are expected to be the overall winners, with a share of the vote of just below 30%, Michael Howard will have done worse than William Hague five years ago.

“I think 20% is a realistic figure for us,” said Nigel Farage, one of the UKIP’s three MEPs. “And in some areas we’ll have done a lot better. Twelve seats is a very realistic prospect.”

Although the vote was on Thursday, the same day as the local elections, the results cannot be announced before 9pm tonight when voting booths close in the rest of the Europe.

The UKIP has recently won the support of Robert Kilroy-Silk and Joan Collins.

Both Tony Blair and Howard were facing recriminations from senior figures in their parties last night over the “super Thursday” elections.

Meanwhile, Gordon Brown has told colleagues he fears that Blair will this week be forced to surrender Britain’s right of veto over tax as part of a deal to secure the new European constitution.

The chancellor has told the prime minister that he should refuse to sign up to the treaty at this week’s summit in Brussels if provisions to “co-ordinate” economic policies remain.

Brown’s allies say the chancellor is “prepared to die in a ditch” before seeing a constitution that allows any tax harmonisation via the back door.

He is determined to show that Labour is not a soft touch on Europe, as the main political parties brace themselves for a strong showing by UKIP when the results of the European elections are announced tonight.

Howard is under pressure because the results are expected to reveal that the UKIP’s success has come from a significant chunk of would-be Tory voters.

Eric Forth, Conservative MP for Bromley and Chislehurst, said: “The leadership is going to have to think very carefully about how we respond to this. There is a serious groundswell of opinion in this country that the UKIP seems to represent better than anyone else.”

The issue of Britain’s future in Europe will dominate this week as Blair tries to draw a line under his drubbing and succeed in securing a landmark deal on the EU constitution.

Brown has been alarmed by passages in it that will require European countries to “co- ordinate” their economic policies, call for social and economic “cohesion” and establish European Union “competence” over national economies.

Brown, who successfully fought off an EU drive to harmonise savings taxes, is said to be “incensed” by suggestions that Britain should soften its opposition to the constitution.

He is backed by business. “If we give in on any aspect of tax harmonisation we would see it as the thin end of the wedge,” said Digby Jones, director-general of the CBI. “We feel very strongly about this. If Tony Blair does not get agreement on this, he should walk away.”

Yesterday Michael Meacher, Labour’s former environment minister, added to the pressure on Blair by saying: “After these election results, Tony Blair will only regain the confidence of voters if he can show that he is willing to listen to his party and to the electorate and changes course.”


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: brussels; election; eu; europe; rejection; ukip
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All in all, the UK is turning around and facing the EU with a snarl. Lovely.

You can read more about the UKIP here:

The UK Independence Party
The 5 Essential Freedoms

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 06/13/2004 3:41:10 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Denver Ditdat; Judith Anne; Desdemona; alnick; knews_hound; faithincowboys; hillary's_fat_a**; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 06/13/2004 3:41:30 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan
The UKIP has recently won the support of Robert Kilroy-Silk and Joan Collins.

And Simon Cowell, too, I understand (from The Telegraph).

3 posted on 06/13/2004 3:45:06 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod ('I went to Vietnam, yada yada yada, I want to be President...")
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To: MadIvan

The article should say England, not Britain. Ukip has had no success in Scotland.


4 posted on 06/13/2004 3:45:52 AM PDT by Carcharodon
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To: Carcharodon
The UKIP needs to hit Scotland harder in my opinion - the SNP is the most pro-European party in the EU. That's a vulnerability it has yet to exploit - that Nationalists will sell Scotland up the river to Brussels, whereas the UKIP won't.

Regards, Ivan

5 posted on 06/13/2004 3:47:14 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan

Of course the EU Socialists will claim Bush has used the Dangerous American Brain Ray Machine on innocent Britains!


6 posted on 06/13/2004 3:47:44 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59
Of course the EU Socialists will claim Bush has used the Dangerous American Brain Ray Machine on innocent Britains!

And me without my tin foil beanie. :)

Regards, Ivan

7 posted on 06/13/2004 3:48:44 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan

The SNP are actually rather anti Europe, especially in regards to the Common Fisheries Policy. They did have a vision of becoming independent and scumming off loadsafunds like the Irish did but see now that's a non-starter.

Anyway, Kilroy-Silk would be beaten senseless if he appeared up ae Glesgae strits.


8 posted on 06/13/2004 3:51:23 AM PDT by Carcharodon
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To: MadIvan

Interesting how a true multi-party system makes as few as 20% of voters a powerful bloc who have a voice in guiding their nation.


9 posted on 06/13/2004 3:52:48 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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To: Carcharodon
The last I heard Alex Salmond speak (and yes, I know he's no longer leader), he was sounding like he was negotiating the terms of surrender to Brussels. In any event, I doubt the SNP is going to take quite the stand the UKIP would - that is definitely a difference.

And I agree, there needs to be a Scottish representative of the UKIP campaigning in Scotland.

Regards, Ivan

10 posted on 06/13/2004 3:53:49 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: Straight Vermonter
The UK used to be a two party system...we appear to be breaking out of that by stages. It is fair to say, and the newspapers have repeated it ad nauseam, that we are a 3 party system (Labour, Tories, Lib Dems). I see no particular harm in this. Let's have a system by which we are not bound by Eeny or Meeny - let's have genuine ideological differences and a competition of ideas.

Regards, Ivan

11 posted on 06/13/2004 3:55:58 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan

The Scottish people are very well aware of the pro - Europe stance of the SNP. The Scottish people are generally much more pro EU than the English


12 posted on 06/13/2004 3:57:44 AM PDT by weegie
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To: MadIvan; KangarooJacqui; Piefloater; Atlantic Friend; Michael81Dus; ItsonlikeDonkeyKong

Most Europeans I know, including some Irish, are saying that the EU is a great idea and will just make everything easier. When I reveal my apprehension about loss of sovereignty they thumb their noses and say that I'm talking about Empire. It isn't all about convenience, though, is it? There are serious problems with the constitution, centralizing of authority, loss of true independence, and a homogenizing of culture coming with the EU. I'm interesting to hear your thoughts, MI. And it's great to see you back online. FR is all the better with you participating.


13 posted on 06/13/2004 4:19:03 AM PDT by risk ("They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society." --MT)
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To: MadIvan

Remember Ivan, that here in the US our political views are extremely polarized - basically you're either "with us or against us" - with the Democrats being against all that our nation was founded upon.

Also, since we aren't a Parliamentary system, having to form coalitions in order to secure the top leadership position is unheard of here. Until this election, I too thought of Britain as having two parties: Labour and Torie. I'd hate to see your system there devolve into one such as Russia's with so many parties that keeping track of them would be a full time job.

We all wish you the best of luck at staying out of the damned EU - by fully assimilating into that one world government test, your nation will learn what our founders meant about "taxation without representation". Likewise they'll understand why America chose revolution over the King's rule.


14 posted on 06/13/2004 4:25:04 AM PDT by datura (Battlefield justice is what our enemies deserve. If you win, you live. If you lose, you die.)
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To: MadIvan

If they are unable to report poll results, how is it that they are allowed to report 'forecasts'.....or are they like our own media?


15 posted on 06/13/2004 4:31:00 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: OldFriend
If they are unable to report poll results, how is it that they are allowed to report 'forecasts'.....or are they like our own media?

Perhaps it's like a line from the Bard, "a custom more honoured in the breach than the observance." ;)

Regards, Ivan

16 posted on 06/13/2004 4:32:20 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan
The last I heard Alex Salmond speak (and yes, I know he's no longer leader), he was sounding like he was negotiating the terms of surrender to Brussels.

Why would anyone surrender to Brussels?
17 posted on 06/13/2004 4:42:15 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: risk
Most Europeans I know, including some Irish, are saying that the EU is a great idea and will just make everything easier. When I reveal my apprehension about loss of sovereignty they thumb their noses and say that I'm talking about Empire. It isn't all about convenience, though, is it?

That's a little backwards isn't it.
18 posted on 06/13/2004 4:43:51 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Desdemona
Why would anyone surrender to Brussels?

Salmond thinks Scotland will get loads of money in terms of EU structural funds.

Regards, Ivan

19 posted on 06/13/2004 4:44:15 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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To: MadIvan
Salmond thinks Scotland will get loads of money in terms of EU structural funds.

And The Hague is jut going to send cash? Be realistic about who's running the show over there and hope everyone survives when the next European ground war starts.
20 posted on 06/13/2004 4:46:32 AM PDT by Desdemona
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