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Borders Folks May Be Descended From Africans (Hadrian's Wall)
The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 6-11-2004 | David Derbershire

Posted on 06/13/2004 2:15:19 PM PDT by blam

Borders folk may be descended from Africans

By David Derbyshire
(Filed: 11/06/2004)

Families who have lived in the English-Scottish Borders for generations could be descended from African soldiers who patrolled Hadrian's Wall nearly 2,000 years ago.

Archaeologists say there is compelling evidence that a 500-strong unit of Moors manned a fort near Carlisle in the third century AD.

Richard Benjamin, an archaeologist at Liverpool University who has studied the history of black Britons, believes many would have settled and raised families.

"When you talk about Romans in Britain, most people think about blue eyes and pale complexions," he said. "But the reality was very different."

Writing in the journal British Archaeology, Mr Benjamin describes a fourth century inscription discovered in Beaumount, two miles from the remains of the Aballava fort at Burgh by Sands. The inscription refers to the "numerus of Aurelian Moors" - a unit of North Africans, probably named after the emperor Marcus Aurelius.

The unit is also mentioned in the Notitia Dignitatum, a Roman list of officials and dignitaries. It describes the prefect of the "numeri Maurorum Aurelianorum, Aballaba".

The unit was probably mustered in the Roman province of Mauretania, in modern-day Morocco, by the emperor Septimus Severus and arrived in Britain in the second or third centuries AD. Aballava lay at the western end of Hadrian's Wall in Cumbria.

Mr Benjamin suspects that the unit would have been blooded in battles in Germany and the Danube where more inscriptions refer to a unit of Moors. Their number is unknown, but the fort could have held up to 500 men.

"There was freedom of movement for civilians and those in administration of the armed forces. Discharge certificates indicate that the veteran soldiers settled in Britain," he said. "Soldiers would have had plenty of money to spend in native settlements on the outskirts of the forts. They would have sought entertainment in brothels. Many would probably have wanted more permanent relationships."

Mr Benjamin is calling for a major study of black Roman Britons. He believes that DNA tests of locals could reveal genetic links with modern-day north Africans, while skeletons of Romans found in the area might contain telltale clues to their childhood origins.

Buildings in the village may have been built from recycled Roman materials. Some might be of African origin, he said.

The unit is likely to have been composed of Berbers from North Africa, but may also have had darker-skinned soldiers from Nubia.

In 1989, archaeologists discovered a 1,900-year-old wooden sculpture of a black African head in London carved in the first century.

Contemporary records also point to Africans living in Britain during the Roman occupation. The emperor Septimus Severus is reported to have been approached by a black African soldier while he crossed Hadrian's Wall on his return from a battle in Scotland.

In South Shields, a Roman tombstone refers to a 20-year-old "Moor by race, the freed slave of Numerians".


TOPICS: News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: africans; ancientrome; archaeology; borders; caledonia; carlisle; crisisofthe3rdc; descended; folk; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; hadrianswall; helixmakemineadouble; history; moors; romanempire; scotland; scotlandyet; septimiusseverus
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To: WoofDog123

this is full of typos, sorry. spelling-cops please just give me a warning.


41 posted on 01/25/2006 9:09:32 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: WoofDog123

I didn't say it was impossible that a strain or two of the DNA might not have survived.

But even today family branches die out all the time from natural causes.

Considering the uncertain nature of mortality at the time, where whole populations died out in the 1st-3rd Centuries from disease, infant mortality, warfare and violence, the likelihood of uncovering a single line of DNA from only 500 subjects that lasted over a 1,500 year period seems rather remote.


42 posted on 01/25/2006 9:40:38 AM PST by wildbill
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To: wildbill

yeah i would assume some genes are still mixed in but the y-chros. are likely long absorbed. Unless they were importing women to border forts, no foreign matrilinear dna at all. as you say, 80+ generations with multiple plagues and migrations (q-celts in some areas, saxon, viking, saxon again, then the 'harrying of the north' (did this extend to the wall?) it is amazing any celtic genes survive at all in that area

I wonder if there has been a study of people in the interior of wales (or cornwall) to see if any dna markers are similar to known italic dna, since they would have absorbed people from roman towns and cities, with civilian population including some romans.


43 posted on 01/25/2006 10:24:51 AM PST by WoofDog123
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To: blam
This is interesting, but I always have a problem with how assumptions are extracted from few facts. For instance:

Facts:
1)Inscriptions refer to the "numerus of Aurelian Moors"
2) The fort could have held up to 500 men
3) archaeologists discovered a 1,900-year-old wooden sculpture of a black African head in London carved in the first century

Conclusion: "Compelling evidence that a 500-strong unit of Moors manned a fort"

This isn't compelling at all. It could just as well have been 20 Moors in a 500 man unit. And the artifact could just as well have been a war trophy carried to Britain by an Italian soldier.

None of this stops the speculation from being reported as fact.

44 posted on 01/25/2006 10:28:15 AM PST by Dr._Joseph_Warren
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To: Cronos
Moors are/were not black.

If by "not black" you mean they didn't have curly hair, thick lips and flat noses, probably right.

But the skin of Northern Africans can be extremely dark. There is quite a variation in skin color in North Africa. They sure aren't Caucasians.

45 posted on 01/25/2006 10:56:13 AM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: wildbill
Everyone knows how wild and clannish the Scots of the 1st century were--and still are some say.

Well, forts full of handsome young soldiers with money to spend do seem to have a way of acquiring "camp followers," that is to say, women of easy virtue. ;^)

'Tis the way of the world . . . .

46 posted on 01/25/2006 11:00:48 AM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: blam
"Archaeologists say there is compelling evidence that a 500-strong unit of Moors manned a fort near Carlisle in the third century AD."

That would be a 500-strong unit of Moops according to George Costanza.
47 posted on 01/25/2006 11:03:37 AM PST by A knight without armor
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To: CobaltBlue

Dinna "dis" our fair Scots lassies or you'll hear the bagpipes comin' for ye through the brae.


48 posted on 01/25/2006 12:15:57 PM PST by wildbill
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To: wildbill

My husband is a piper so pipes don't scare me.

And your fair Scots lassies were pagans back then.


49 posted on 01/25/2006 12:41:33 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: wildbill

They still are. I know, my wife is Scots.


50 posted on 01/25/2006 12:49:18 PM PST by rahbert
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To: CobaltBlue

Aye, but verra verra sophisticated pagans. They pioneered the use of blue woad around the eyes as a cosmetic.

Of course they probably daubed a little here and elsewhere as well.


51 posted on 01/25/2006 1:36:40 PM PST by wildbill
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To: blam
They are not Bantu.

That's the word I was seeking, though I understand that is falling out of PC favor now, too.

52 posted on 01/25/2006 2:07:28 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: ThanhPhero
"I understand that is falling out of PC favor now, too."

I'll be darn, I didn't know that.

Bantu

"Black South Africans were at times officially called "Bantus" by the apartheid regime. Nowadays in Southern Africa, the term "Bantu" is no longer used to refer to a people. The more common and polite term is "Black" and in fact legislation and documents from the South African government replaced "Bantu" with "Black". "

Is it okay to say they speak a Bantu Language?

53 posted on 01/25/2006 2:38:15 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Is it okay to say they speak a Bantu Language?

I suppose so if you wince properly when you say it.

54 posted on 01/25/2006 8:50:20 PM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: CobaltBlue
But the skin of Northern Africans can be extremely dark. There is quite a variation in skin color in North Africa. They sure aren't Caucasians.

Moors/berbers from Moroccao, tunisia, Algeria, Libya etc. are Caucasians. They may also have semisic blood (fromt he Arabs) and also Germanic fromthe Vandals invasions, besides the Italic
55 posted on 01/26/2006 8:57:52 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos

In ancient times the Greeks and Romans always described Moors as having dark skin.


56 posted on 01/26/2006 12:15:08 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue
In ancient times the Greeks and Romans always described Moors as having dark skin.

I've not seen any description like that -- I'd be grateful if you could point me to some links that say that.
57 posted on 01/26/2006 8:19:45 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos

The very word Moor derives from the Greek maurus, Latin mauri, meaning "dark men." The Mauri were the tribe that lived in Mauretania.


58 posted on 01/26/2006 8:37:39 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: Cronos

Here is Caesar calling the Mauretanians "black-skinned." Scroll down to the last sentence, "And I have heard this man say that beyond the country which he ruled there was no habitation of men, but desert land extending to a great distance, and that beyond that there are men, not black-skinned like the Mauretanii . . . ."
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/anc-nafrica.html


59 posted on 01/26/2006 8:42:17 PM PST by CobaltBlue (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
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To: CobaltBlue

thanks!!!


60 posted on 01/26/2006 8:54:32 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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