The United States: "They Aren't What They Used to Be"

Joseph Sobran column ^ | 05-28-04 | Sobran, Joseph

[babyface00]

Maybe you should read a little further down the document...

Article IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Article X.

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people

[oblomov]

Prior to FDR, there were different currencies. To print notes, one needed to be a member of the National Association and have sufficient reserves in legal tender.

http://www.friesian.com/notes.htm

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Maybe Americans prefer the present megastate to the one the Constitution describes>>

Because the one the Constitution describes allowed human beings to be sold as slaves.

Sobran is not a conservative and should be vomited out of the mouth of the Right.

[stainlessbanner]

Sobran ping

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

FACT of the matter is that Mr. Snodgrass, like everyone of us, lost his individual rights to Lincoln's concept of union.>>>

And thanks be to the Risen Jesus Christ therefore, as we no longer think that black people are the moral equivalent of xerox machines.

[babyface00]

Because the one the Constitution describes allowed human beings to be sold as slaves.

as we no longer think that black people are the moral equivalent of xerox machines.

Rape and murder are not addressed in the Constitution, as slavery was not addressed previous to the 13th amendment in late 1865.

Does that mean the United States is a nation of rapists and murderers?

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Does that mean the United States is a nation of rapists and murderers?>>

That has to be stupid as hell. Rape and murder was illegal on the state level. Slavery was encouraged--in fact 11 states decided to burn themselves to the ground rather than give it up.

The evil stupidity of the true sons of the slave rapers never ceases to amaze me.

[stainlessbanner]

You need to divorce secession and slavery, then the piece will make sense.

[MileHi]

If the southern state Delegates to the Constitutional Convention wanted the right to secede - they should have put it in the Constitution.

So, you agree with those who hold that your rights are the few listed in the Constitution? Here I thought that the Constitution enumerated certain specific powers granted to the Federal government.

[babyface00]

That has to be stupid as hell. Rape and murder was illegal on the state level. Slavery was encouraged--in fact 11 states decided to burn themselves to the ground rather than give it up.

The evil stupidity of the true sons of the slave rapers never ceases to amaze me.

There is nothing in the Constitution (which is a document solely to define the FEDERAL government) that prohibits states from making murder or rape illegal. It is a moral question, just as slavery is/was. The very fact that slavery was illegal in the states other than the 11 illustrates the flexibility inherent in the document.

Abortion is another moral question that was resolved at the state level previous to Roe v. Wade.

The fact that the Constitution left the moral question of slavery open to the states does not make the document somehow immoral, nor does it make defenders of that arrangement immoral.

Your anger is misplaced. The Constitution isn't some arbiter of morality over every facet of our lives. It only serves to define the limits of the federal government. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Vigilantcitizen]

The evil stupidity of the true sons of the slave rapers never ceases to amaze me.

So, how do you feel about the genocide and ethnic cleansing committed against the native Americans?

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

So, how do you feel about the genocide and ethnic cleansing committed against the native Americans?
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1) All those that committed that crime against humanity are dead.

2) Nobody around here is advocating wiping out the Indians any more.

3) I've never met an anti-Indian racist, much less one that hides his race hate behind an anti-Lincoln stance.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Abortion is another moral question that was resolved at the state level previous to Roe v. Wade.>>

Bullspit. The inherent equality before the law of all men (which predates the Constitution and is enshrined in the Declaration of Independence) REQUIRES that no man be allowed to kill, or enslave, or abort, another.

Abortion will be destroyed nationwide the same way that slavery was, through constitutional amendment and enforcement of the Constitution throughout the land.

[zeugma]

Few Americans realize the immense cost in blood, liberty, and even logic that lies behind this simple change of pronouns.

Sadly, this is all too true.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

2) Nobody around here is advocating wiping out the Indians any more.>>>

That is, until they become Muslims.

[Ronly Bonly Jones]

Sadly, this is all too true.
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It is also irrelevant. Any state that sells human beings as slaves DESERVES to meet its Sherman.

[sport]

Truer words have never been spoken [or written]!
The Founding Fathers are spinning in their graves over what the Nation they gave us morphed into.

[forYourChildrenVote4Bush]

I am starting to have my doubts about the US. Heaven forbid that 'Hanoi John' F`n Kerry wins, but just the fact that he remains close to President Bush tells me that people in the US cannot stomach a war with casualties. People have forgotten 911, this shows weakness in the eyes of the Terrorists, expect more of 911 when you show weakness...If the US losses this war (PC war), then the US will never win another, unless it is a war of total annihilation.

[sport]

We still are united, despite what Dan Rather, CNN and John Kerry say..



2 posted on 06/14/2004 5:19:54 AM PDT by cardinal4


I am not united with,nor do I want to be united with the sociaists, one worlders, communists, democrats,Bush haters,u.n. worshippers, and others whose sole purpose for living is the complete and total destruction of the United States.

[Vigilantcitizen]

1) All those that committed that crime against humanity are dead.

So are the slaves and slavers. Thanks for making my point for me. You did good.

2) Nobody around here is advocating wiping out the Indians any more.

That's probably because we as a nation have already wiped them out, for the most part.

3) I've never met an anti-Indian racist, much less one that hides his race hate behind an anti-Lincoln stance.

Refer to answer number 2.