They are flirting with national suicide.
Posted on 06/14/2004 9:20:26 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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Iranian Experts in N. Korea to Conduct Joint Nuke Experiments
N. Korea is reported to be making preparations for joint experiments with Iran with the purpose of nuke development, including high explosive detonators, a reliable military source on N. Korea spelled out on June 14(, 2004.)
In G8 Summit at Sea Island not long ago, serious concern was raised on nuclear development in both countries(N. Korea, Iran.) If joint experiments go forward, international community is expected to escalate its opposition to the development further.
According to the source, 6-man Iranian delegation went into N. Korea in May. It is made up of physicists and computer experts. Starting in July, they will conduct experiments such as 'neutron beam(?) experiment', using facilities in N. Korea, which will last for 6 months.
Neutron beam(?) experiment beams high density neutrons (to a target material), and monitor reactions. Neutrons hitting fissile materials such as Uranium and Plutonium initiates a chain reaction.
Data collected from such experiments are indispensable for manufacturing nuclear bombs. The experiment requires equipments for precise measurement and (secure) protective walls. Since Iranians have not had the technology to process data using their computer, "they decided that they need the help of N. Koreans who are also developing nukes", the source told us. N. Korea could also see its merit because she can also obtain (useful) data from this experiment.
It has been pointed out that both countries are cooperating in the area of ballistic missiles. If they do this joint experiment, it will prove that they also cooperate in developing nuclear bombs.
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They are flirting with national suicide.
It can't be serious or else Bush would not be withdrawing troops from Soth Korea.
Thanks.
I knew this was happening soon......they're thumbing their noses at the U.S. and the U.N.
There's simply no way we'll allow them to possess nukes -- either we'll take care of it or Israel will, but it'll get done.
? It's serious. But we need to be taking it up with Iran, not N. Korea at the moment. In other words, we need the troops in the Middle East.
What's that? Nuclear weapons you say? Well, I'm sure it's Bush's fault that they want nuclear weapons. If only we weren't so unilateralist, then these countries wouldn't feel threatened.
What's that? Iran and North Korea are the ones threatening their neighbors? Well, I'm sure that's Bush's fault too. South Korea and Israel must have done something to make themselves be hated. Being Bush's ally, for starters.
Basically, this all boils down to Bush being the source of all evil on the planet. I don't see why more people don't realize it. Hopefully Michael Moore can educate the 'slow learners' out there.
don't worry John Kerry as President will get France and Germany to help us do away with these threats while they work with the UN,,, all our worries are over,,,
Maybe we should put our faith in the MAD doctrine and stop trying to peer into cyrstal balls to see what nation X or Y is up to and going on crusades to nowhere.
In the immortal words of John Wayne, "This is getting to be ri-goddamn-diculous".
If true, we'll behaving to start a new mission over something as grave as this.
You know where this is all headed to don't you? We can never let this continue to the point they get a finished product.
Well then why is Bush withdrawing troops from Korea if this is going on?
That may be the reason he IS pulling troops out of there.
retreat?
This was reported about a couple weeks ago on Iran Alert Thread.
There was a report the other day on Syrians being killed in the train explosion in N. Korea. Syria, Iran and N.Korea all deal in weapons together.
No, Taking cover when the big boom hits.ROK soldiers are more than capable of handling the north, they are well fed and well supplied compared to the north. The north could not support an invasion of the south. No food and no fuel. They do have artillery though but I doubt it is very mobil. I am sure we would provide air support if the ballon goes up.
We don't need 'troops' in Korea. South Korea has a military more than capable of holding the line against the threadbare masses of infantry to the north. The reorganizations we're doing there make sense, both for our forces there and for our forces elsewhere. What kinds of personnel are being moved indicates that.
If South Korea gets attacked, they'll not need our combat troops right off the bat. They've got plenty of boots on the ground. What they'll need is air, naval, intelligence and logistical support, and we have that ready.
Well then why is Bush withdrawing troops from Korea if this is going on?
Because we don't want American boys imbedded in the glass plain?
The 'intention' to withdraw also serves the purpose of checking appeasement government of S. Korea toward N. Korea.
The lethal blow to N. Korea could come from the back-door via Chinese border in the form of subversion/blockade or from air by America. Actually, N. Korea appears to take the withdrawal of U.S. ground troops from DMZ as a sign that U.S. attack may be coming, because the move will bring U.S. troops out of the range of N. Korean long-range artilleries and MLR's.
and all the while Bush is withdrawing troops - see the contradiction?
Ohh Cover in Iraq - N. Korea must have mighty big bombs......
Sure I see. So does the White House. We'll have to wait and see what they're up to. In the meantime, if you want some more scary info, here's an article from Nov.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1016181/posts
Not yet, but we do. If this goes down , our troops don't need to be there on the DMZ.
Well someone has to reprogram the party line. Saudi Arabia and Turkey had more than enough troops to contain the axis of evil that was Iraq and Iran. So if nuclear N. Korea can be contained by South Korea - why did we need to go into Iraq? and in Korea we withdraw - See the contradiction? I am all for withdrawing troops from Korea -just saying this report is questionable. Who are the sources????
OH MANNN Iran been naughty lately
HEY Iran what are you doing hang out with Wo Fat reject of North Korea
Sorry not buying it - we are withdrawing troops to Iraq for obvious reasons not to keep them safe from a nuclear attack - because the remaining troops are not taking any new safeguards. Try again with another explanation.
The source is probably Japanese intelligence.
That is your scary source? The Washington Times -- The Korean MOONIES paper? Niggah please.
Ground troops are nothing but statistics when the nukes start flying.
Bush Admin. sit on their hands. What are they waiting for?
Actually with the production of inriched plutonium they are not seeking A Bombs but Hydrogen bombs. Hiroshima size is not enough, a mere 20 kilotons? Childs play, they want 20 Megatonners.
Oh please. Pay attention. The Bush Administration has 8, yes EIGHT carrier battle groups surrounding Iran right now.
Sitting on their hands, indeed.
Sheesh.
Lets start over. The north has alot of artillery that can reach the DMZ and a little further south down around camp casey and surrounding areas. If we take out the norths nukes our troops are sittin ducks for incoming and the south has plenty of troops on the ground. All the south needs from us is support from air and intel.
It's not the source that's scary. It the story. They aren't the only ones who have reported it.
Believe what you like. But Iran's been dealing with N.Korea for years.
Lucky for me I question this article thus I don't hold that opinion of Bush.
But if you do think this article is true then you are forced to conclude Bush is a failure.
Logic.
Bush is paralyzed on the Iran issue. He needs to snap out of it and put a boot in their ass.
It is not nukes they are concerned with, but rather conventional artilleries/rockets. The reduction of troops is more to do with doing away with the tripwire role of ground troops. If they decide to attack N. Korea and fears nuclear retaliation, they will move out all ground troops. We are not there yet.
The relocation to Iraq is one way of using freed-up troops. It does makes little difference to have 3,600 more or less troops if N. Korea indeed has nukes.
If this article is true - OOPS! Someone better tell the Navy that the bombs are in North Korea and they are "surrounding" the wrong country.
Lucky for me I question this article thus I don't hold that opinion of Bush.
But if you do think this article is true then you are forced to conclude Bush is a failure.
Logic.
Lucky for me I question this article thus I don't hold that opinion of Bush.
But if you do think this article is true then you are forced to conclude Bush is a failure.
Logic.
This didn't take place on Bush's watch, this was going on in the mid 90's. Don't you remember the axis of evil speech,Iraq,Iran and North korea? Sounds to me like he is doing plenty just by exposing them to the rest of the world.
Logic loop - you can't have it both ways. If this article is true - and for some reason you want it to be true - you can't have any confidence in Bush.
N. Korea managed to survive because it could unleash destruction on S. Korea, Japan(, and China,) when it goes down. N. Korea has already had enough chem/bio tipped missiles long before Saddam Hussein did. And it also take Seoul, the capital of S. Korea, as a hostage by deploying 10,000 long-range artilleries.
When your adversary has taken hostages, you are forced to be more careful. Especially, China tries to obstruct American action, especially by insisting that America totally abandon Taiwan.
Things get really complicated in E. Asia. It is also a densely populated industrialized area, not open desert like Iraq.
You seem to be uninformed about the situation in E. Asia. There is a reason Bush did not act sooner.
If true Bush is not acting now -- if you buy this article Bush can't stop Iranians from working on WMD in North Korea - so his policy is a FAILURE.
You cant just go blowing jets out of the sky or ships out of the water with out laying the ground work for it.What you see and hear about in the news is but the pinhead as to what is realy going on and yes syria has been in NK,just like china and russia was in Iraq before we invaded and just like we had SF in Afghanistan before 9/11.
So you want bombing of Iran and N. Korea now? Can you marshall public support for money and personnel to conduct both wars? This thing was planned as a sequence. Iraq, Iran, and N. Korea (or N. Korea and Iran.) The trick is to take them down before they have operational nukes. Iran is not there yet. You just want to pick this time and declare the whole thing a failure? Why now when they are just working on some experiment? Or do you want to give an appearance of progress by sham deals like Clinton did and walk away?
Yes, Bush was after OBL before 9/11 and IMHO spooked him into taking action the way he did. If the truth was known I would say we have guys in just about every country in the world scoping things out.
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