Holy shi'ite, do you go through the ammo! No wonder there's a gorilla shortage in S.D.
BTW, there's a Gorilla article linked on Drudge this a.m.
This fellow was running amok in a Dallas Zoo:
Oh, and you're welcome :-)
Posted on 06/16/2004 12:35:51 PM PDT by 45Auto
Bump, just cause I can't believe this thread isn't at 500 posts yet.
And you're right, the AR-15 (.223) has it's place - like the jungle & swamps, or as in Vietnam1 (which I believe I previously stipulated). And yes the heavier bullet will drop more (darn laws of physics again), but look at the 300yd ft-lb comparison; 620 for the .223 & 1144 for my 8mm - almost double the energy.
However, keep in mind that the intention of Stoner with his AR & smaller .233 round was to cause casualties - which would then theoretically slow down the enemy in tending to his wounded (IIRC taking 3 men out of a battle). While previously the idea was to kill the enemy; 30-06 '03 Springfield & M-1 Garand and .308 M-14.
BTW, that must have taken some time to post all that data - good job. And how you got the data for the .223 over 200yds is beyond me as Remington stopped there. Again, good job.
Oh, this fall I'll try North Dakota for Gorilla ;-)
1; That is once they went back to the originally spec'd clean burning powder which did not require a chrome receiver, issued cleaning kits and stopped the jamming/fouling problem.
BTW, that must have taken some time to post all that data - good job. And how you got the data for the .223 over 200yds is beyond me as Remington stopped there. Again, good job.
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The data is from a excel spreadsheet.
Everything you said I agree with. Vietnam etc. Today's fight is at 300 to 1000 yards and the troops need a little more energy at impact.
The new 6.8mm round about to be adopted by the military is the old 30 30 round only a little shorter and without a shoulder for magizine loading.
I use a Horus scope for gorilla's and the supplier of the scope says they are using them in Iraq with kills up to 1550 meters. These are great scopes for distances over 300 yards.
Many gorillas over 500 yards working on 1000 yards. longest today is 822yardds.
BTW, do you know if a Sharps 45-70 is good for Gorilla? I'd assume so - at least to a 1000 yards. Or would that be over-kill?
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BTW, do you know if a Sharps 45-70 is good for Gorilla? I'd assume so - at least to a 1000 yards. Or would that be over-kill?
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the problem with big bore guns that must be overcome are as follows:
1. Size of the gorilla is a dollar bill for kill zone. At 1000 yards and bullet drops of 50 feet, let alone wind gusts create muliple shot kills adjustments to last shoot
2. Secret to long range kills are adjustment. Adjustment to the last shot. If you can not see the strike of the last shot you can not adjust. IT is just that simple. Big bores are simply not the right choice for fun days shooting. My AR 15 allows continue adjustment for wind and distance in the scope field of view without a spotter.
3. Ammo is cheap for ar 15 150 to 200 dollars per slab.
4. How do I know. 15,000 rounds in the last 24 months and hundreds of gorilla's.
Did you ever hear of Cheaper Than Dirt? I buy most of mine there.
1000 rounds of 'Wolf' .223 for $117.27
They have all brands natch, this is just the 1st one I found.
Another place is The Sportsman's Guide.
You can get 800 TRACER rounds for $269.97
Those might be good for night time Gorilla Hunting?
Did you ever hear of Cheaper Than Dirt? I buy most of mine there.
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I have heard of cheaper than dirt. My problem is I need consistency in the ammo. when you are shooting 200 to 600 yards, I need consistency. I shoot 500 to 700 rounds per day and do not want to be shifting suppliers daily.
In the past 24 months have fired 15,000 rounds and have another 5000 ready. They are once fired military brass loaded by a very concicense loader. I get it delievered to the front door 3000 rounds per order, and they are all the same. I shoot 55 grain early on and now shoot the 68 grain boattail hollow point.
thanks for the tips.
Holy shi'ite, do you go through the ammo! No wonder there's a gorilla shortage in S.D.
BTW, there's a Gorilla article linked on Drudge this a.m.
This fellow was running amok in a Dallas Zoo:
Oh, and you're welcome :-)
"500 to 700 rounds per day"
Holy shi'ite, do you go through the ammo! No wonder there's a gorilla shortage in S.D.
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shooting at 300 to 500 yards we watch the bullet(dust clouds) strike thru the scope, and adjust. Where the bullet strikes on the scope we put that spot on the target and fire again. My buddies all had bolt action stuff when I joined the team with gas gun, now two years later most all have at least one gas gun. Did you ever see two or three gas guns on a dog at 350 yards, the dog runs in four directions at the same time for about two seconds. I can compete with most any bolt action upto 300 yards for accuracy, and have ten times the fun at 300 to 600 yards.
Here is a website you might like to visit. I have the tape and recommend it. www.dogbegone.com
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