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Texas Pool May Have Pulled 4 Victims Down (Ft Worth)
The Guardian (UK) ^ | 6-18-2004 | Angela K. Brown

Posted on 06/17/2004 5:00:19 PM PDT by blam

Texas Pool May Have Pulled 4 Victims Down

Friday June 18, 2004 12:46 AM

By ANGELA K. BROWN

Associated Press Writer

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) - With their hotel pool closed for cleaning and the Texas heat reaching nearly 90 degrees, Myron Dukes took his two children and another child to check out the fountains and pools at the park across the street.

Within minutes, all four drowned in a swirling, decorative pool posted with no-swimming signs. Authorities said powerful suction apparently pulled the victims to the bottom of the 9-foot pool at the Fort Worth Water Gardens.

Witness accounts of the accident varied, but 8-year-old Lauren Dukes apparently jumped or slipped into the water. Her 11-year-old friend, Juantrice Deadmon, tried to reach in and help her but fell in herself. Myron Dukes, 39, and his son, 13-year-old Christopher Dukes, then jumped in to try to save the girls.

The victims were among 120 members of a Baptist Church in Chicago attending a national Sunday school convention. About 2,000 of the convention attendees gathered Thursday morning for a prayer vigil.

``Today our city extends our wings to enfold and comfort you,'' Fort Worth Mayor Mike Moncrief told the crowd, many of whom held hands and wiped away tears. ``We are very, very sorry about your loss.''

Though the Water Gardens are not meant for swimming, residents say people often wade in the pools on hot days.

In the pool where the four drowned, water comes down several irregularly spaced steps, creating waterfalls that empty into the pool. The water there is recirculated through a drain at the bottom of the pool.

Officials did not know whether the suction was created by the drain or the water coming down. Police officer Tony Moldanado, one of the first rescuers at the scene, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram that when he jumped in, the suction ``literally sucked the socks off my feet.''

The youngsters went to the water gardens to cool off after marching in a parade at the convention and practicing their drill team routines.

``(Dukes) said he would take them to the falls, just to put their feet in the water,'' said Cleo Deadmon, Juantrice's grandmother. ``I had no idea that it went down that deep.''

Officials said the Water Gardens, which were drained Wednesday night, would remain closed until police finish their investigation.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: 4; down; drowning; pool; pull; texas; victims
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1 posted on 06/17/2004 5:00:21 PM PDT by blam
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decorative pool posted with no-swimming signs

There's usually a reason for signs like that. Won't prevent the lawsuits, though, I imagine.

3 posted on 06/17/2004 5:02:49 PM PDT by JennysCool ("I'm not worried about the deficit. It's big enough to take care of itself." - RWR)
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To: blam

Prayers for the families.


4 posted on 06/17/2004 5:03:26 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: blam
posted with no-swimming signs.

Darwin Rules!!

5 posted on 06/17/2004 5:04:28 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Rick Nash will score 40 goals this season...)
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To: blam
These water gardens were used as a set for the movie "Logan's Run". This is the place in the movie where Logan dives into the water to get back into the "city". Later, the people in the city come back here and see the Old Man that Logan and the girl had brought back with them.

I remember seeing this place when I worked in downtown FW for a year.

6 posted on 06/17/2004 5:05:17 PM PDT by narby (Democrat = Internationalist ... Republican = American)
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To: JennysCool

Isn't this the same place that parts of Logan's Run was filmed?


7 posted on 06/17/2004 5:05:26 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: blam

sign said no swimming and it sounds like they complied


8 posted on 06/17/2004 5:06:20 PM PDT by antti tuuri
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To: cibersnot; JennysCool; blam
FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD!!!! The FTW water gardens are NOT for swimming!!! It's a scary damn display with huge-ass pumps! Can't believe the quote from the rescuer either. That thing is probably 30 years there! I can't remember it not being there.
9 posted on 06/17/2004 5:06:27 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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uh-huh :o)


10 posted on 06/17/2004 5:06:44 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: blam
No different imo from those people going down to the waterfront in Chicago, climbing up onto the fountain and getting killed by the high pressure water jets.

Never-the-less, I'm sure lawyers have been calling non-stop.

11 posted on 06/17/2004 5:08:25 PM PDT by fso301
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12 posted on 06/17/2004 5:09:08 PM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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Eek! I wouldn't let my kids stroll around the edge of that obviously wet and obviously deep pool.

I'm a kayaker, and the shape and concentration of those waterfalls at the bottom of the picture screams "KEEPER HYDRAULIC!"

13 posted on 06/17/2004 5:16:36 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: cibersnot
Witness accounts of the accident varied, but 8-year-old Lauren Dukes apparently jumped or slipped into the water.

Perhaps reading the article more closely would help. It appears that the 3 other people drowned as a result of trying to save the 8 year old.

14 posted on 06/17/2004 5:17:06 PM PDT by technochick99
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To: sam_paine

Yeah, no kidding!. I remember visiting as a little kid and being scared witless. It's been there for over 30 years now and never has anything happened like this.


15 posted on 06/17/2004 5:17:54 PM PDT by BeerSwillr (Profanity free since 2003-12-17 20:41:45)
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To: sam_paine

Wow...if they couldn't read the No Swimming signs, common sense would dictate that you stay the heck out of that death trap!


16 posted on 06/17/2004 5:19:04 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")
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To: blam
The Ft. Worth Water Garden was designed by a great American architect, Phillip Johnson. It's a great work of sculpture and architecture, but it can be intimidating to walk down the steps into the center.

I'm surprised that nobody has drowned there before. It should probably be watched and guarded by a "responsible" person to keep idiots from killing themselves there. It should probably be fenced and closed at night. It's a great work of art.

17 posted on 06/17/2004 5:22:31 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: cibersnot
Where were the parents when these children were going to swim in a body of water with signs posted of no swimming?

Right there beside them, did you read the article?

18 posted on 06/17/2004 5:24:22 PM PDT by SeeRushToldU_So (Democrats are enemies of the USA.)
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To: blam
Sounds like the parents decided the signs read 'no swimming' not because of DANGER
but because of convenience...rules for arbitrary aesthetic reasons not for safety reasons...

Which they decided weren't worth obeying because of the heat and closed pool at the hotel
they felt sorry for the kids and decided to let them swim there in spite of the signs...

Too bad the 'No Swimming' signs didn't also have DANGER HUGE LIFE THEREATENING SUCKING KILLER HOLE....YOU SWIM ..YOU DIE... sign along side
19 posted on 06/17/2004 5:45:47 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: garyhope
Why did that remind me of this?

Visitors to Ankh-Morpork were often surprised to find that there were some interesting gardens attached to the Patrician's Palace.
The Patrician was not a gardens kind of person. But some of his predecessors had been, and Lord Vetinari never changed or destroyed anything if there was no logical reason to do so. He maintained the little zoo, and the racehorse stable, and even recognized that the gardens themselves were of extreme historic interest because this was so obviously the case.
They had been laid out by Bloody Stupid Johnson.
Many great landscape gardeners have gone down in history and been remembered in a very solid way by the gardens that they designed with almost god-like power and foresight, thinking nothing of making lakes and shifting hills and planting woodlands to enable future generatios to appreciate the sublime beauty of wild Nature transformed by Man. There have been Capability Brown, Sagacity Smith, Intuition De Vere Slade-Gore...
In Ankh-Morpork, there was Bloody Stupid Johnson.
[...]
The Ankh-Morpork palace grounds were considered the high spot, if such it could be called, of his career. For example, they contained the ornamental trout lake, one hundred and fifty yards long, and, because of one of those trifling errors of notation that were such a distinctive feature of Bloody Stupid's designs, one inch wide. It was the home of one trout, which was quite comfortable provided it didn't try to turn around, and had once featured an ornate fountain which, when first switched on, did nothing but groan ominously for five minutes and then fire a small stone cherub a thousand feet into the air.
It contained a hoho, which was like a haha only deeper. A haha is a concealed ditch and wall designed to allow landowners to look out across rolling vistas without getting cattle and inconvenient poor people wandering across the lawns. Under Bloody Stupid's errant pencil it was dug fifty feet deep and had claimed three gardeners already.
The maze was so small that people got lost looking for it.
But the Patrician rather liked the gardens, in a quiet kind of way. He had certain views about the mentality of most of mankind, and the gardens made him feel fully justified.
I know... I'm sick.
20 posted on 06/17/2004 5:46:13 PM PDT by higgmeister
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To: blam

This happens all of the time in Memphis, Tennessee, where miniature homeys go swimming in pools without lifeguards. After one drowns then the family gets lawyers and sue the organization for not having 24 hour round the clock armed guards and electric fences to keep the lawbreaking homeys out.


21 posted on 06/17/2004 5:54:51 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: higgmeister

I'm betting you're feeling better already.


22 posted on 06/17/2004 5:58:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: blam

The majority of replies to this tragic story make me sick to my stomach.

Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves.


23 posted on 06/17/2004 6:03:43 PM PDT by Blaine Fabin
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To: blam
With their hotel pool closed for cleaning and the Texas heat reaching nearly 90 degrees, Myron Dukes took his two children and another child to check out the fountains and pools at the park across the street

So this is the excuse? Because it was hot? Gimmie a break, hope it was worth it

24 posted on 06/17/2004 6:06:07 PM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: blam

Juantrice?


25 posted on 06/17/2004 6:07:06 PM PDT by Captainpaintball
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To: garyhope
The architect built the garderns with some "risk" involved. He wanted visitors to feel "a thrill" walking on the purposely-built dangerously uneven steps. Some of the steps purposely slope towards the dangerous suction part on purpose. He designed it this way INTENTIONALLY -- for a "thrill." Johnson deserves to be tried for manslaughter. The "waterfall" should be filled in. Yeat another example of failed leftist "art."

Watch the video here.

26 posted on 06/17/2004 6:13:47 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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"It should probably be fenced and closed at night"

You have been listening to too many leftist liberals the past 30 years!

Don't make people responsible for their own stupidity - - - tear down, destroy, burn everything that could be even considered dangerous! Like books next, since they give people < shudder > ideas! Ban smoking! Ban drinking! Ban autos! Force Seatbelts! Ban DDT! etc etc etc etc

Just like churches are now locked since we can't blame the criminals for stealing!


27 posted on 06/17/2004 6:16:16 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: blam
Posted on Thu, Jun. 17, 2004

 
 I M A G E S 
Fort Worth firefighters encircle one of four drowning victims at the Fort Worth Water Gardens on Wednesday. The four, all Chicago residents in town for the National Baptist Congress at the Fort Worth Convention Center, died at the downtown park.
SPECIAL TO THE STAR-TELEGRAM/GLEN E. ELLMAN
Fort Worth firefighters encircle one of four drowning victims at the Fort Worth Water Gardens on Wednesday. The four, all Chicago residents in town for the National Baptist Congress at the Fort Worth Convention Center, died at the downtown park.
Emergency workers carry two drowning victims up the steps at the Fort Worth Water Gardens on Wednesday as divers from the Fort Worth Fire Department continue to search for others.
STAR-TELEGRAM/JOYCE MARSHALL
Emergency workers carry two drowning victims up the steps at the Fort Worth Water Gardens on Wednesday as divers from the Fort Worth Fire Department continue to search for others.

4 visitors drown at Water Gardens


Girl falls in; 3 others die attempting to save her



Star-Telegram Staff Writers FORT WORTH - A Chicago father, two of his children and a third child drowned late Wednesday afternoon in a swirling pool at the Fort Worth Water Gardens despite frantic efforts by bystanders and emergency workers to save them.

The victims were identified as Myron Dukes, 35, Lauren Dukes, 8, and Christopher Dukes, 13, all of the Chicago suburb of South Holland, Ill; and Juanitrice Deadmon, 11, of Chicago.

The family was identified by the pastor of their church, Antioch Missionary Baptist Church in Chicago.

The victims were among the thousands of visitors attending the National Baptist Congress at the Fort Worth Convention Center.

The pastor, Gerald M. Dew, said he was told that the children went to the Water Gardens to play because the swimming pool at the Fort Worth Plaza hotel was closed for maintenance.

One of the children slipped, which started a chain reaction, Dew said.

Bike patrol officer Tony Maldonado, who was one of the first officers to arrive at the swirling pool, said he jumped in and the force "literally sucked the socks off my feet."

Stephanie Dukes, the wife and mother of the victims, "was holding up as best as can be expected," Dew said.

Dew described the Dukes family as "faithful, dedicated church members."

The Water Gardens, a 30-year-old park bracketed by the Fort Worth Convention Center and Lancaster Avenue, is a cool oasis at the southern end of downtown. Thousands of gallons of recirculating water create different effects in pools, which are surrounded by landscaping and concrete walls.

The park was designed by well-known New York architect Philip Johnson and donated to the city in 1974 by the Amon G. Carter Foundation.

Small bronze signs at entrances to the park warn visitors "No wading or swimming," but the warning is commonly ignored.

Although the potential danger at the park has been an issue for years, Wednesday's drownings were the first, officials said.

"We've never had a tragedy like this in the Water Gardens," said Lt. Kent Worley, a Fire Department spokesman.

The four drowned in the Active Pool, an inverted pyramid in which water slides down the sides, turning into waterfalls before splashing into a small pool at the base. Steps lead from street level into the pool.

According to a firefighter's depth gauge, the water in the pool was 9 feet deep. A drain in the bottom recirculates the water.

Christian Tillis, 14, of Fort Worth said he saw a girl fall into the pool, and when a second child reached out to help her, the first girl pulled her in. Tillis said a man jumped in after the children and then a third child jumped in.

When he saw the man struggling, Tillis said, he jumped in, too.

"When I grabbed ahold of the girl's arm, I almost had her," Tillis said.

But the water's suction was strong, Tillis said, and he went back to the surface.

"I wanted to go back and get her, but if I did I might have died, too," Tillis said.

Clarence Tillis, 15, also jumped in and tried to save the victims.

He said his hand got stuck between the man and one of the steps, and he had to let go because he was running out of air.

He saw the man come up and go back down three times, "but he didn't come up the fourth time," Tillis said.

Maldonado and fellow bike patrol officer R.B. Owen were the first officers to arrive, two minutes after a 911 call was received at 6:45 p.m.

They said they dropped their shoes and gun belts and rushed down the slope to the pool.

"We jumped in, and it sucked us right to the bottom," Owen said.

Firefighters arrived in another minute. "Everybody just jumped in," Worley said.

Emergency crews could be heard on the law-enforcement scanner calling for the water to be turned off. Worley said that was accomplished "fairly quickly." He said he did not know whether the suction in the bottom of the pool was from the drain or from water cascading from above.

Worley said that the Water Gardens would be closed until an investigation is complete. The water had been drained from all pools late Wednesday.

April Barnes, 15, of Hattiesburg, Miss., who was at the pool with her mother, said she jumped in and tried to get one of the girls out.

"I had the little girl by her bathing suit," Barnes said.

When Barnes reached for her mother's hand to get pulled out of the water, she lost her grip on the little girl, she said.

Barnes' mother, Stephanie Johnson, said the man jumped into the pool and struggled to save the girls.

"He just jumped in there trying to save them," Johnson said.

When the $6 million Water Gardens were donated to the city, the gift was described in 1975 by a New York Times art critic as both "useless and absolutely splendid."

Franz Schulze, Philip Johnson's biographer, said that Johnson mentioned to him several times "the element of danger" he had designed into the Water Gardens.

"He felt the thrill of what he called `pseudo-danger' increased the visitors' appreciation of the park," Schulze told the Star-Telegram in 1993.

The Water Gardens were intended to create an island of serenity in the downtown area and were never meant as a place for people to swim or cool off.

"It is prohibited for people to swim or wade," said Dee Hardin, city parks superintendent. "Stay out of the water in the Water Gardens. The water is just to look at."

Over the years, the city has paid thousands of dollars in claims to visitors injured in falls on the irregularly spaced stone steps and ridges.

Before Wednesday, the park's most serious accident was in 1991, when an 80-foot light pole fell and killed two Internal Revenue Service agents taking a break in the park.


Staff writer Anna Tinsley contributed to this report.

Bill Teeter, (817) 390-7757
bteeter@star-telegram.com

Mitch Mitchell, (817) 390-7420
mitchmitchell@star-telegram.com

28 posted on 06/17/2004 6:26:10 PM PDT by deport
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This is heartbreaking, and most of the responses on this thread are DISGRACEFUL.


29 posted on 06/17/2004 6:30:56 PM PDT by Politicalmom ( Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're not entitled to their own facts -D. Rumsfeld)
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To: cibersnot

You didn't read the article closely, there was a parent with his two kids and another child and they all drowned.


30 posted on 06/17/2004 6:31:05 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: blam

Judging from some of the pathetic responses here, some folks don't even bother to read. I figure it a duty to point out the obvious to these idiots.

1. this is a tragic and real story effecting a family of our fellow americans.

2. Local folks often wade there.

3. A child not listening to the parent jumped in.

4. A father and siblings died trying to save this runaway child.

What's wrong with you people? Yea, I'm talking about you. You know who you are.


32 posted on 06/17/2004 6:43:06 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: cibersnot

What a terrible tragedy. I hope the families can find peace and comfort in God showing himselves through those around them. As for the posts in this thread (haven't read it yet just assumed) which someone blamed the victims, I feel sorry for you.


33 posted on 06/17/2004 6:43:32 PM PDT by Bronco_Buster_FweetHyagh
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To: cibersnot

I see your point now, my apologies.

I could not visualize the place until I saw the picture and wonder as you why these people could not read a sign and do as they were supposed to.

Imagine, there had not been any incident or much less a drowning in the 30 years that place has been there and now this.

I am sure they are some lawyers salivating on this one as I guess that place is owned and run by the city. They are going to say it should have had a fence around it.

I noticed that his Pastor said he was a good chruch goer, etc., where does that translate into someone with common sense? Unfortunately none of what the Pastor had to say had anything to do with this tragic loss of four lives.


34 posted on 06/17/2004 6:50:26 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: blam

The intaske for the pump is obviously at the very bottom and has no vacuum breaker in the pipe leading to the pump; a tragedy designed and waiting to occur. No end to idiots, especially educated ones.


37 posted on 06/17/2004 7:03:28 PM PDT by Old Professer (lust; pure, visceral groin-grinding, sweat-popping, heart-pounding staccato bursts of shooting stars)
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Intake grate, sorry.


38 posted on 06/17/2004 7:06:09 PM PDT by Old Professer (lust; pure, visceral groin-grinding, sweat-popping, heart-pounding staccato bursts of shooting stars)
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To: July 4th
Wow...if they couldn't read the No Swimming signs, common sense would dictate that you stay the heck out of that death trap!

Reminds me of the time I hiked to the top of one of the waterfalls at Yosemite. There are signs posted warning people to stay out of the water. The ranger said every so often folks ignore that, step in the water, ( which is rushing past you over slick stone), and ZIP!, There they go, over the side, gone!

39 posted on 06/17/2004 7:10:09 PM PDT by csvset
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To: cibersnot

Let me tell you about children. They can get excited and do the unexpected. Such as in this most tragic case.

Now you know.


40 posted on 06/17/2004 7:18:41 PM PDT by takenoprisoner (illegally posting on an expired tag)
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To: deport
Now that I've read the report, it seems that even though the suction was strong, many people (including a 15 year old kid) were able to jump in and get out again, even after trying repeatedly to pull the victims out. So there's a hydraulic in the pool, but it's not a keeper.

The real question which nobody seems to have asked here is, could ANY of these people swim?

I've worked as a lifeguard and pulled some folks out (thankfully all in time), and nobody deserves to drown for a moment of inattention. But if they could not swim, it's even more of a senseless tragedy.

43 posted on 06/17/2004 8:56:12 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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I had the little girl by the swimming suit, Barnes said.

I guess they just went to the water gardens in their bathing suits to just look. Their intention was to get into the water. Albeit a tragedy, the parents used extremely bad judgment in taking the kids there, especially with all of the NO SWIMMING AND WADING signs all over. There is going to be a lawsuit and the lawyers are going to make a bundle from FW but the blame rests with the parents/grownups. Responsibility is something that is amiss with this story.

44 posted on 06/17/2004 9:12:22 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: AnAmericanMother

Any person's first instinct would be to jump in and pull a child out of the water. I don't think they realized that was a suction that made this fountain so dangerous even if they could swim.


45 posted on 06/17/2004 9:20:39 PM PDT by eccentric (aka baldwidow)
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ith their hotel pool closed for cleaning and the Texas heat reaching nearly 90 degrees, Myron Dukes took his two children and another child to check out the fountains and pools at the park across the street. Within minutes, all four drowned in a swirling, decorative pool posted with no-swimming signs.

I see this as a Cargo Cult sacrificial offering to the Trial Lawyer gods.

47 posted on 06/17/2004 9:47:24 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: eccentric
If you are going to follow an instinct to jump in and pull out a kid (stupid, stupid, stupid! the rule is reach, row, throw, go - jumping in is the LAST resort), you had better darned well know how to swim.

My dad's maxim is that EVERYONE, without exception, should know how to swim, shoot, ride a horse, and change a tire. Any one of them could save your life (if I had had to walk down the Grand Canyon and back up, I would have died! < g > )

48 posted on 06/18/2004 7:44:56 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: Motherbear
I've got a kid who's a holy terror. He gives me gray hair. He could wreck a junkyard with a rubber hammer. He gets into more precarious positions than Carter has little pills. He also appears to lead a charmed life (so far.)

I would NEVER take him to a place like this, and I certainly wouldn't take him in a swimsuit - thus giving him permission (in HIS eyes) to get in the water.

Certainly accidents happen, and I'm sure the family didn't anticipate the tragic results here, but if they took these kids over there in bathing suits and nobody could swim, that does increase the likelihood that an accident would happen.

49 posted on 06/18/2004 7:49:10 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of Venery (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: FreedomCalls

You'd never get manslaughter to stick, but Phillip Johnson's career should be ruined by this. I had no idea the pool itself was 9' deep, there is zero excuse for that.

I am one of the first to speak out against the over-lawyering and dumbing-down of designs to avoid liability, but every designer has a responsibility to avoid reasonably anticipated dangers. Why on earth should that pool be more than 3' deep, given how this is an interactive public exhibit, and thus all but assured that at some point a child is going to slip on the wet surfaces and fall into the pool?

Nothing wrong with creating that 'sense' of risk and danger, but if a designer is going to do so in a public space, the risk and danger should be perceived, not actual. The city is also to blame, they had to approve the design before it was built. Where was the common sense? Speaking of the city's idiocy, how about the park spokesman who yesterday was quoted all over the news as claiming that there was no drain to create suction at the bottom of the pool. Then how does the water drain off(note that there are no upper overflow drains like one would find in a sink or bathtub.) I guess all the rescue workers were liars?

If this were a kid drowning in someone's backyard pool, I'd be adamently against any lawsuit. But in this case the intended use and design makes having an unnecessarily deep pool irresponsible, and for once I can't immediately condemn a lawyer for suing Phillip Johnson and the city of Ft. Worth.


50 posted on 06/18/2004 8:08:54 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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