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Nets Pounce on No bin Laden-Saddam Link, But Bush Believed Media
Media Research Center ^ | Thursday June 17, 2004 | staff

Posted on 06/17/2004 9:41:40 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach


The 1,743rd CyberAlert. Tracking Liberal Media Bias Since 1996
Thursday June 17, 2004 (Vol. Nine; No. 106)

 
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1. Nets Pounce on No bin Laden-Saddam Link, But Bush Believed Media
The networks pounced Wednesday night on how the 9-11 Commission decided, as CNN’s David Ensor put it in echoing the commission’s exaggeration of administration claims, “the commission staff report says Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and backs that up with some evidence.” CBS’s John Roberts stressed how the commission undermined President Bush, describing the Iraq connection as “one of President Bush’s last surviving justifications for war in Iraq.” Roberts charged: “The report is yet another blow to the President’s credibility.” ABC’s Terry Moran proposed: “After the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq undermined President Bush’s main argument for going to war, this new finding by the 9-11 Commission challenges his case on another front.” Unmentioned by ABC, how maybe the Bush administration believed there was a bin Laden-Iraq connection because they believed ABC News. In 1999, ABC’s Sheila MacVicar trumpeted how “ABC News has learned that” a top Iraqi official “made a secret trip to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden. Three intelligence agencies tell ABC News they cannot be certain what was discussed, but almost certainly, they say, bin Laden has been told he would be welcome in Baghdad.”


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1 posted on 06/17/2004 9:41:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Nets Pounce on No bin Laden-Saddam Link,
But Bush Believed Media

     The networks pounced Wednesday night on one sentence on the fifth page of a 9-11 Commission report released earlier in the day, which declared: “We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.” Picking up on that exaggeration of administration claims, on CNN’s NewsNight, David Ensor asserted: “The commission staff report says Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 and backs that up with some evidence.” Of course, administration officials never claimed any Iraqi connection to the 9-11 attacks, just a mutually-advantageous relationship over the years.

     Thursday’s morning shows highlighted the finding, but didn’t air separate stories on it as did the network evening shows the night before. Thursday newspapers also touted the commission assertion. “Al Qaeda-Hussein Link is Dismissed,” declared a June 17 Washington Post front page headline.

     MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann announced at the top of Wednesday’s Countdown: "Memo to the Vice President: 9/11 Commission finds, quote, 'no credible evidence,' unquote, of any link between al-Qaeda and Iraq.”

     On the Wednesday CBS Evening News, John Roberts stressed how the commission’s claim undermines President Bush, describing the Iraq connection as “one of President Bush’s last surviving justifications for war in Iraq” and, he charged, “today it took a devastating hit when the 9-11 Commission declared there was no collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.” Roberts concluded with a harsh judgment: “The report is yet another blow to the President’s credibility.”

     “The 9/11 Commission contradicts the White House today,” NBC’s David Gregory contended on Nightly News, “particularly on claims that Iraq and al-Qaeda were linked before the war.” Gregory at least pointed out how “the report reveals for the first time that in 1994 an Iraqi intelligence official met Osama bin Laden in Sudan,” but he decided that “it’s clear this report is a blow to the President’s rationale for war.”

     Over on ABC’s World News Tonight, Terry Moran proposed: “After the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq undermined President Bush’s main argument for going to war, this new finding by the 9-11 Commission challenges his case on another front.”

     Unmentioned by ABC, how maybe the Bush administration believed there was a bin Laden-Saddam connection because they believed ABC News. In a story aired in a prime time news magazine show on Thursday, January 14, 1999, then-ABC News correspondent Sheila MacVicar reported how a few months after the embassy bombings in Africa and U.S. retaliation against Sudan, bin Laden “reaches out to his friends in Iraq and Sudan.” MacVicar trumpeted how “ABC News has learned that in December, an Iraqi intelligence chief, named Farouk Hijazi, now Iraq's ambassador to Turkey, made a secret trip to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden. Three intelligence agencies tell ABC News they cannot be certain what was discussed, but almost certainly, they say, bin Laden has been told he would be welcome in Baghdad.”

Osama bin Laden & Saddam Hussein     I tracked down that ABC News story after seeing it referred to in an excerpt from a new book by Stephen Hayes, “The Connection: How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein has Endangered America,” published in the June 7 Weekly Standard. Hayes cited similar news stories in Newsweek, the AP and NPR, in the 1998-99 range, which assumed bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were cooperative.

     The Weekly Standard titled its excerpt, “The Connection: Not so long ago, the ties between Iraq and al Qaeda were conventional wisdom. The conventional wisdom was right.” In the book, Hayes recited numerous pieces of evidence of how Iraq and al-Qaeda had a mutually beneficial relationship. Here’s an excerpt from the Weekly Standard’s book excerpt in which Hayes recounted how the media assumed such a relationship, based on information provided by Clinton administration officials:

There was a time not long ago when the conventional wisdom skewed heavily toward a Saddam-al Qaeda links. In 1998 and early 1999, the Iraq-al Qaeda connection was widely reported in the American and international media. Former intelligence officers and government officials speculated about the relationship and its dangerous implications for the world. The information in the news reports came from foreign and domestic intelligence services. It was featured in mainstream media outlets including international wire services, prominent newsweeklies, and network radio and television broadcasts.

Newsweek magazine ran an article in its January 11, 1999, issue headed "Saddam + Bin Laden?" "Here's what is known so far," it read:

“Saddam Hussein, who has a long record of supporting terrorism, is trying to rebuild his intelligence network overseas -- assets that would allow him to establish a terrorism network. U.S. sources say he is reaching out to Islamic terrorists, including some who may be linked to Osama bin Laden, the wealthy Saudi exile accused of masterminding the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa last summer.”

....NPR reporter Mike Shuster interviewed Vincent Cannistraro, former head of the CIA's counterterrorism center, and offered this report:

“Iraq's contacts with bin Laden go back some years, to at least 1994, when, according to one U.S. government source, Hijazi met him when bin Laden lived in Sudan. According to Cannistraro, Iraq invited bin Laden to live in Baghdad to be nearer to potential targets of terrorist attack in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait....Some experts believe bin Laden might be tempted to live in Iraq because of his reported desire to obtain chemical or biological weapons. CIA Director George Tenet referred to that in recent testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee when he said bin Laden was planning additional attacks on American targets.”

By mid-February 1999, journalists did not even feel the need to qualify these claims of an Iraq-al Qaeda relationship. An Associated Press dispatch that ran in the Washington Post ended this way: "The Iraqi President Saddam Hussein has offered asylum to bin Laden, who openly supports Iraq against Western powers."

Where did journalists get the idea that Saddam and bin Laden might be coordinating efforts? Among other places, from high-ranking Clinton administration officials.

In the spring of 1998 -- well before the U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa -- the Clinton administration indicted Osama bin Laden. The indictment, unsealed a few months later, prominently cited al Qaeda's agreement to collaborate with Iraq on weapons of mass destruction. The Clinton Justice Department had been concerned about negative public reaction to its potentially capturing bin Laden without "a vehicle for extradition," official paperwork charging him with a crime. It was "not an afterthought" to include the al Qaeda-Iraq connection in the indictment, says an official familiar with the deliberations. "It couldn't have gotten into the indictment unless someone was willing to testify to it under oath." The Clinton administration's indictment read unequivocally:

“Al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.”

     END of Excerpt

     For the full Weekly Standard excerpt of the book: www.weeklystandard.com

     For Amazon.com’s page on the book: www.amazon.com

     Hayes also cited a January 1999 ABC story and, utilizing the MRC video archive, I tracked it down. The above-quoted MacVicar piece aired Thursday, January 14, 1999 on the short-lived ABC prime time magazine program, Crime and Justice. This one-topic edition, which featured John Miller’s interview in Afghanistan with Osama bin Laden, carried the title, “Target America: The Terrorist War.” Anchor Cynthia McFadden’s plug for the hour predicted the danger ahead: “Tonight, an exclusive ABC News interview with the man who declared war on the United States: Terrorist leader Osama bin Laden. His loyal foot soldiers are even here in the U.S., hidden among us, awaiting his call to deadly action.”

     Sheila MacVicar, who a short time later jumped to CNN, and I believe she has recently departed from CNN, provided an overview of the bin Laden-Hussein relationship: “Saddam Hussein has a long history of harboring terrorists. Carlos the Jackal, Abu Nidal, Abu Abbas, the most notorious terrorists of their era, all found shelter and support at one time in Baghdad. Intelligence sources say bin Laden's long relationship with the Iraqis began as he helped Sudan's fundamentalist government in their efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction.
     “Three weeks after the bombing [by the U.S. in Sudan], on August 31, bin Laden reaches out to his friends in Iraq and Sudan. [over video of Iraqi man cheek to cheek with Sudanese men] Iraq's Vice President arrives in Khartoum to show his support for the Sudanese after the U.S. attack. ABC News has learned that during these meetings, senior Sudanese officials, acting on behalf of bin Laden, ask if Saddam Hussein would grant him asylum.
     “Iraq was, indeed, interested. ABC News has learned that in December, an Iraqi intelligence chief, named Farouk Hijazi, now Iraq's ambassador to Turkey, made a secret trip to Afghanistan to meet with bin Laden. Three intelligence agencies tell ABC News they cannot be certain what was discussed, but almost certainly, they say, bin Laden has been told he would be welcome in Baghdad.”

     A CNN-posted story by MacVicar with a picture of her: www.cnn.com

     A fan site, apparently, that I came across via Google: home.wanadoo.nl

     All the media hullabaloo over the 9-11 Commission’s claims stemmed from one paragraph on page 5 of “Staff Statement No. 15,” titled “Overview of the Enemy.” The paragraph:
     “Bin Ladin also explored possible cooperation with Iraq during his time in Sudan, despite his opposition to Hussein’s secular regime. Bin Ladin had in fact at one time sponsored anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan. The Sudanese, to protect their own ties with Iraq, reportedly persuaded Bin Ladin to cease this support and arranged for contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. A senior Iraqi intelligence officer reportedly made three visits to Sudan, finally meeting Bin Ladin in 1994. Bin Ladin is said to have requested space to establish training camps, as well as assistance in procuring weapons, but Iraq apparently never responded. There have been reports that contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda also occurred after Bin Ladin had returned to Afghanistan, but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior Bin Ladin associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.”

     The report is online, as a PDF, at: wid.ap.org

     The AP’s posting: www.9-11commission.gov

     A more complete rundown of the June 16 ABC, CBS and NBC evening newscast stories, all of which followed a lead story about how the commission reported that al-Qaeda planned to use ten airliners on 9-11.

     -- ABC’s World News Tonight. Peter Jennings intoned: “One of the Bush administration’s most controversial assertions in its argument for war in Iraq was that Saddam Hussein had links to al-Qaeda. Today the 9-11 Commission said, unequivocally, not so.”

     On screen:
No connection
between
al Qaeda and
Saddam Hussein

     From the White House, Terry Moran checked in: “After the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq undermined President Bush’s main argument for going to war, this new finding by the 9-11 Commission challenges his case on another front. The 9-11 Commission staff report was categorical.”
     Douglass MacEachin, former CIA Deputy Director of Intelligence, at the hearing: “So far we have no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.”
     Moran: “The commission’s conclusion was based on the work of all U.S. intelligence agencies going back more than a decade. In addition, in recent interrogations, captured al-Qaeda leaders have adamantly denied any ties to Saddam Hussein’s Iraq. But the Bush administration continues to link the two. Vice President Cheney on Monday said this of Saddam.”
     Cheney, in Florida: “He was a patron of terrorism. He had long established ties with al-Qaeda.”
     Moran: “Over the past two years the Vice President in particular has aggressively pushed the notion of an al-Qaeda/Saddam alliance, describing it in dire terms.”
     Cheney on October 10, 2003: “He also had an established relationship with al-Qaeda, providing training to al-Qaeda members in the areas of poisons, gasses, making conventional bombs.”
     Moran: “Today’s 9-11 Commission report cast doubt on that claim, describing attempts by bin Laden in the mid-1990s to get help from Iraq, but the report concludes 'Iraq apparently never responded.’ President Bush yesterday backed up his Vice President, arguing that the presence of al-Qaeda associate Abu al-Zarqawi in Iraq, both before and after the war, proves the link.”
     Bush: “Zarqawi’s the best evidence of a connection to al-Qaeda affiliates and al-Qaeda.”

     Moran went on to note how the White House says the commission report “does not in any way contradict” the Bush case for war, and he ran a soundbite of White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett maintaining that no tie to the 9–11 plot is “not inconsistent with” a “broader relationship.”

     Moran then concluded: “The commission found, however, that the only relationship between Iraq an al-Qaeda was an apparent agreement not to attack each other.”

     -- CBS Evening News. Dan Rather announced at the top of his program: “The independent commission also directly contradicted one of President Bush’s justifications for going to war against Iraq.”

     After a piece by Jim Stewart, Rather set up a story from John Roberts: “What about bin Laden and Saddam Hussein? Was there or was there not, as the Bush administration still insists, a working connection between Saddam and al-Qaeda?”

     From the White House, Roberts answered: “It is one of President Bush’s last surviving justifications for war in Iraq and today it took a devastating hit when the 9-11 Commission declared there was [with words on screen] no collaborative relationship between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.”
     Joseph Cirincione, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace: “I think this is the clearest case of the administration deliberately misleading the American public in order to rally support for war and that misleading worked.”
     Roberts: “But the White House is not backing down. Just Monday Vice President Cheney repeated his assertion that Iraq had well-established ties with al-Qaeda. President Bush stood behind Cheney the very next day and late this afternoon the White House claimed the intelligence is on their side.”
     Dan Bartlett: “And what the Director of the CIA has testified before Congress to, is that there were multiple sources indicating a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaeda.”

     Roberts proceeded to contend that the White House has “frequently” thrown Iraq, links to terror and 9/11 attacks in “the same pot,” and he illustrated that with a clip of Cheney, on NBC’s Meet the Press on September 14, 2003, contending that Iraq was the “geographic base of the terrorists who had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11."

     Roberts picked up: “Those repeated associations left the majority of Americans believing Saddam was involved in 9/11. But the commission today put the nail in that connection, or for that matter, any other al-Qaeda acts of terror against America, declaring 'there is no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States.’ The report is yet another blow to the President’s credibility as he struggles to find the exit door in Iraq and opens him up to new criticism on the wisdom of taking on Saddam with al-Qaeda’s leadership still at large.”
     After another clip of Cirincione, Roberts concluded:
     “While Bush officials are sticking to their story of an Iraq-al-Qaeda connection, they are trying to change the subject, suggesting today that the real question here is whether or not anyone can argue that Iraq and the world aren’t better off without Saddam Hussein.”

     -- NBC Nightly News. Tom Brokaw reported: “And the 9/11 Commission also has come to some conclusions about the link, or the absence of it, between Iraq and al-Qaeda. As NBC’s David Gregory reports from the White House tonight, the Commission is sharply at odds with what leading members of the administration continue to claim.”

     Gregory began, as taken down by MRC analyst Brad Wilmouth: “Vice President Cheney is as adamant as ever about a connection between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden. He spoke in Florida Monday.”
     Dick Cheney, on Monday: “He had long-established ties with al-Qaeda.”
     Gregory: “When asked about the proof of such claims, the President pointed to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, an al-Qaeda-linked terrorist now in Iraq who is believed to be behind much of the violence directed against U.S. soldiers.”
     George W. Bush, on Tuesday: “Zarqawi is the best evidence of a connection to al-Qaeda affiliates and al-Qaeda. He’s the person who’s still killing.”
     Gregory: “But the 9/11 Commission contradicts the White House today, particularly on claims that Iraq and al-Qaeda were linked before the war. The report reveals for the first time that in 1994 an Iraqi intelligence official met Osama bin Laden in Sudan. Bin Laden requested space to establish training camps and help getting weapons, but the report said Iraq apparently never responded. The report said that the meeting and other contacts between Iraq and bin Laden 'do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship.’ The Commission also debunked the administration’s claim that 9/11 hijacker Mohammed Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence official in Prague in April of 2001 saying, ‘We do not believe that such a meeting occurred.’ Critics say the President has gone out of his way to blur the lines between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks.”
     Bush: “The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States, and war is what they got.”
     Gregory: “Last fall, the President was pressed about the connection.”
     Bush: “We’ve had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September the 11th.”
     Gregory: “And, in fact, today the Commission reported, ‘We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al-Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States. The White House isn’t backing down tonight, insisting there always was an Iraq-al-Qaeda link. But it’s clear this report is a blow to the President’s rationale for war. David Gregory, NBC News, the White House.”

2 posted on 06/17/2004 9:45:13 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge; GeorgiaYankee; Grampa Dave; blam; MEG33; Peach; McGavin999; Mo1; cyncooper; ...

Thanks to GeorgiaYankee for pointing this out to me!


3 posted on 06/17/2004 9:51:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

All I can say is the media better be praying 24/7 that we DON'T find WMDs because if we do, there will be a shortage of crows in this country.


4 posted on 06/17/2004 9:56:55 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

John Roberts and Terry Moran sure made fools of themselves.


5 posted on 06/17/2004 9:58:38 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: McGavin999; cyncooper
There is some good stuff in here:

(This is new to me)

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Where did journalists get the idea that Saddam and bin Laden might be coordinating efforts? Among other places, from high-ranking Clinton administration officials.

In the spring of 1998 -- well before the U.S. embassy bombings in East Africa -- the Clinton administration indicted Osama bin Laden. The indictment, unsealed a few months later, prominently cited al Qaeda's agreement to collaborate with Iraq on weapons of mass destruction. The Clinton Justice Department had been concerned about negative public reaction to its potentially capturing bin Laden without "a vehicle for extradition," official paperwork charging him with a crime. It was "not an afterthought" to include the al Qaeda-Iraq connection in the indictment, says an official familiar with the deliberations. "It couldn't have gotten into the indictment unless someone was willing to testify to it under oath." The Clinton administration's indictment read unequivocally:

“Al Qaeda reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.”

6 posted on 06/17/2004 10:12:44 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: All
The indictment, unsealed a few months later, prominently cited al Qaeda's agreement to collaborate with Iraq on weapons of mass destruction.

Would be nice to have this indictment captured.

7 posted on 06/17/2004 10:15:16 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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That could be a SILVER BULLET against Kerry and his MEDIA supporters!!!


8 posted on 06/17/2004 10:16:41 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Any way of getting a copy of that indictment?


9 posted on 06/17/2004 10:22:27 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: FairOpinion; kattracks; cgk; Pikamax; Axion; areafiftyone; RockBassCreek; NavySEAL F-16; nwrep; ...

fyi

Ammounition against the leftist media here.

Please add links to your posting of related articles.


10 posted on 06/17/2004 10:23:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: McGavin999
Okay, shout it from the rooftops, and don't let them spin it away...not only have we found NBC weapons in Iraq (mustard and sarin), but they've been used against our troops! Why isn't Bush repeating this at every opportunity?!?!? If anything's gonna put him out of office, it's the damn New Tone.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

11 posted on 06/17/2004 10:24:43 PM PDT by wku man (Breathe...Relax...Aim...Squeeze...Smile!)
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To: McGavin999

WMD's? Oh you mean like the Shells filled with Sarin gas and Mustard gas... which have been confirmed. Or perhaps the one hidden bunker they found where there were barrels of chemicals sitting next to the shells they would be loaded in. They know the Sarin is part of a greater stockpile. The confirmed it. And that scares me, because if it was moved out of Iraq in the build up to the war...then who has it now. And we know they existed, the UN stamped the shells. Those shells don't evaporate over time. And Saddam would have not gone through so much trouble to hide scrap metal. And then of course there is the Jordan incident where they busted al Quaeda with the truck loads of things like VX. They Jordan Govt. said they came in from Syria...but suspected they might part of Iraq's WMD stockpile because it seems that Syria is not a producer for VX like Iraq was.
They media has managed to dodge any major reporting of this stuff. We had to hear on FNC and get the Jordan news links for folks like Drudge and Newsmax. If we find a million gallons of VX in a bunker in Iraq, the media will just say that ...since it had not yet been used to kill people...then its not really WMD. Kinda like the 9-11 commission....they abet the media in saying there is no Saddam - al qaeda link...even though, as we learned yesterday, that is not what their report actually says. And they won't address the Jordan WMD plot...where one of the captured al Qaeda bums admitted that he and is pals were trained in Iraq before the war. The Jordan govt. played those statements on Jordanian news outlets.
Amazing how FOXNEWS, Newsmax, Freepers, Hannity, Rush, and Paul Harvey can all pick up on that...when ,according to liberals and the media (one in the same), those folks are just entertainment. Yet Chris Mathews bloated slab has seemed to never hear about it.


12 posted on 06/17/2004 10:25:19 PM PDT by ArmyBratproud
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To: McGavin999; Alamo-Girl; snopercod; John Jorsett

I am pinging the world here, hoping some good researcher in freeperdome here knows how to find it!


13 posted on 06/17/2004 10:26:07 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: ArmyBratproud

Right, Congress (or the FCC ) maybe needs to launch an investigation of the media's slanted reporting on this item and then move on to the other outrages!!!!


14 posted on 06/17/2004 10:30:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: wku man
I don't think it's a question of "new tone", I think it's a question of safety for the troops. We need to round it all up and get it to someplace safe.

Personally, I think we've found lots of it.

15 posted on 06/17/2004 10:34:05 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: FreedomPoster; PISANO; Delta 21; RWR8189; chiller; GnL; jennyp; The Other Harry; MinuteGal

fyi


16 posted on 06/17/2004 10:35:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; WhistlingPastTheGraveyard; Peach; backhoe

PING TO POST #6 - READ ABOUT CLINTON INDICTING BIN LADEN!

Someone call the Smoking Gun - we need to see this indictment!


17 posted on 06/17/2004 10:36:37 PM PDT by cgk
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To: AD from SpringBay

The media is malicious -- Mr. Cheney!


18 posted on 06/17/2004 10:37:47 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: cgk; InterceptPoint
Right!

Just in case someone reads this thread but hasn't read this one:

CHENEY: CLEAR LINKS BETWEEN SADDAM, AL-QAEDA; CALLS NY TIMES ARTICLE 'OUTRAGEOUS'

19 posted on 06/17/2004 10:49:04 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

#6 IS TRULY A BIGGY!!!!

TIME TO STICK IT TO THE RATS!!!!


20 posted on 06/17/2004 10:51:35 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: NYC GOP Chick; MadIvan; highlander_UW

ping!


21 posted on 06/17/2004 10:52:43 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Is this the indictment you are talking about??

Clinton Indictment Cited Iraq-bin Laden Link

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1153093/posts


22 posted on 06/17/2004 10:57:18 PM PDT by Mo1 (That's right Old Media .... WE LOVED PRESIDENT REAGAN)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

OK .. is this it??

http://usinfo.state.gov/topical/pol/terror/98110402.htm


United States Information Agency


04 November 1998

BIN LADEN, ATEF INDICTED IN U.S. FEDERAL COURT FOR AFRICAN BOMBINGS
(Terrorists will be tracked down, officials say) (920)

By Judy Aita
USIA Staff Writer

New York -- Usama bin Laden and Muhammad Atef were indicted November 4 in Manhattan federal court for the August 7 bombings of the US embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania, and for conspiring to kill Americans outside the United States.

US Attorney Mary Jo White and Assistant director of the FBI office in New York Lewis Schiliro -- accompanied by a group of other federal, state and local officials involved in the investigation -- announced the indictments at a press conference. Ambassador David Carpenter of the US Department of State also announced rewards of up to $5 million each for information leading to the arrest or conviction of bin Laden and Atef.

"Usama bin Laden and his military commander Muhammad Atef are charged with plotting and carrying out the most heinous acts of international terrorism and murder," White said.

"Their alleged victims include the hundreds of African and American citizens who tragically lost their lives in the embassy bombings in east Africa on August 7, 1998, and the thousands more who were seriously injured. In a greater sense, all of the citizens of the world are also victims whenever and wherever the cruel and cowardly acts of international terrorism strike," she said. "It is up to the authorities of the world to respond vigorously and relentlessly to such terrorist attacks. This investigation is continuing worldwide and will continue until all of those responsible are brought to justice," White stressed.

Schiliro said that the indictment demonstrates the "resolve and determination of the entire law enforcement team to bring to justice all those who were responsible for the murder of innocent Americans, Kenyans, and Tanzanians on August 7."

"This investigation has been given the highest priority," the FBI official said. "Our investigative strategy is clear: We will identify, locate, and prosecute all those responsible right up the line from those who constructed and delivered the bombs to those who paid for them and ordered it done."

"Though far from complete, in three short months much has been accomplished due to the dedication and determination of the investigators and prosecutors and also because of the professionalism and total cooperation of the governments of Kenya, Tanzania, and the Comoros Islands," he said.

The investigation deployed the largest contingent of FBI agents abroad and included members of the multi-agency joint terrorist task force -- New York City Police Department detectives, US customs agents, US Secret Service, the New York State Police, the Federal Aviation Administration, and the US Immigration and Naturalization Service.

"The work they have done in recovering physical evidence at the crime scene and developing other leads that will assist in this investigation cannot be overstated," Schiliro said. "Their resolve and determination to identify all those involved should not be underestimated."

New York City Police Chief Howard Safir said that the indictment "sends a very clear message that terrorists will be held accountable no matter where they commit their acts."

Both White and Schiliro stressed that the investigation will not end with the current indictment and is continuing.

The 238-count indictment charges, among other things, that bin Laden and Atef along with co-defendants Wadih el Hage, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed Sadeek Odeh, and Mohamed Rashed Daoud al'Owhali, acted together with other members of "al Qaeda" -- the worldwide terrorist organization led by bin Laden -- to murder US nationals, including members of the American military stationed in Saudi Arabia following the Gulf War and in Somalia as part of UN Operation Restore Hope, as well as those employed at US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. They established front companies, provided false identity and travel documents, and provided false information to authorities in various countries.

Bin Laden's "al Qaeda" organization functioned both on its own and through other terrorist organizations, including the Al Jihad group based in Egypt, the Islamic Group also known as el Gamaa Islamia led at one time by Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, and a number of other jihad groups in countries such as Sudan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Yemen and Somalia.

Bin Laden, White charged, engaged in business transactions on behalf of Al Qaeda, including purchasing warehouses for storage of explosives, transporting weapons, and establishing a series of companies in Sudan to provide income to al Qaeda and as a cover for the procurement of explosives, weapons, and chemicals, and for the travel of operatives.

According to the indictment, bin Laden and al Qaeda forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah with the goal of working together against their common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.

"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.

Beginning in 1992, bin Laden allegedly issued through his "fatwah" committees a series of escalating "fatwahs" against the United States, certain military personnel, and, eventually in February 1998, a "fatwah" stating that Muslims should kill Americans -- including civilians -- anywhere in the world they can be found.

Bin Laden and Atef, both of whom are fugitives, if convicted, face maximum sentences of life in prison without the possibility of parole or death, White said.


23 posted on 06/17/2004 11:07:31 PM PDT by Mo1 (That's right Old Media .... WE LOVED PRESIDENT REAGAN)
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To: Mo1; A CA Guy; Arthur Wildfire! March; Deb; Voter#537; OldFriend; TomGuy; meenie; nopardons

yES....Wonder if anyone has a direct link to it, that is if it is online!


24 posted on 06/17/2004 11:09:58 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

I can't swear on it .. but I think I remember seeing one

I'm looking in my book marks to see if I'm right in my thinking

I also found this

The collaboration of Iraq and al Qaeda
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1144277/posts


25 posted on 06/17/2004 11:12:41 PM PDT by Mo1 (That's right Old Media .... WE LOVED PRESIDENT REAGAN)
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To: Mo1

bttt


26 posted on 06/17/2004 11:15:35 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Mo1; McGavin999; Grampa Dave; blam; SierraWasp; onyx; Brad's Gramma; calcowgirl; Utah Girl; ...
"In addition, al Qaeda reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq," the indictment said.

That looks like it might be what we want!

I'll throw in some pings for the west coast late crew.

27 posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:31 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Mo1
And from the USIA we have this:

According to the indictment, bin Laden and al Qaeda forged alliances with the National Islamic Front in Sudan and with representatives of the Government of Iran and its associated terrorist group Hezballah with the goal of working together against their common enemies in the West, particularly the United States.

28 posted on 06/17/2004 11:21:09 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Alamo-Girl; amom; Jolly

Alamo-Girl any help here for Ernest_at_the_Beach would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, HUGS, D2

:-)


29 posted on 06/17/2004 11:22:06 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Mo1

The 238-count indictment charges,.......

probably a long PDF document.


30 posted on 06/17/2004 11:24:51 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Did I find the right one??

I have so many things bookmarked .. I really need to organize my things better .. what a mess


31 posted on 06/17/2004 11:25:08 PM PDT by Mo1 (That's right Old Media .... WE LOVED PRESIDENT REAGAN)
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To: McGavin999

ping for above updates by Mo1!


32 posted on 06/17/2004 11:25:38 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
probably a long PDF document.

Thanks .. Still looking

33 posted on 06/17/2004 11:25:55 PM PDT by Mo1 (That's right Old Media .... WE LOVED PRESIDENT REAGAN)
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To: Mo1

What you have put up really helps.


34 posted on 06/17/2004 11:27:27 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: AD from SpringBay

ping!


35 posted on 06/17/2004 11:30:55 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

HA! ... Is this it?


http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/reports/pdfs/binladen/indict.pdf


36 posted on 06/17/2004 11:30:55 PM PDT by Mo1 (That's right Old Media .... WE LOVED PRESIDENT REAGAN)
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To: Defender2
Thanks for the ping! I do not have the actual indictment, but by following the source on the articles (if they don't have it already) - y'all can find the court and get a copy from the clerk (I think). Here are the two I show:

WorldNetDaily.com 10/26/00 Julie Foster "......In an interview on an Arab television station, Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Salih said an Egyptian national is to blame for the attack on the USS Cole. "The person who perpetrated the operation (against the Cole), who could have been accompanied by another person (at the time of the attack), is of Egyptian nationality, according to the early results of the enquiry," Saleh said. ....... The suspect is believed to belong to Egyptian Islamic Jihad, the group currently blamed for the assault....... Clinton administration officials said the new information regarding the Egyptian suspect is part of a growing body of evidence connecting the deadly attack to Saudi fugitive Osama bin Laden. The terrorist has been indicted for the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania that killed 224. Most recently, a tape of bin Laden threatening the United States was televised. He also recently married a woman from Yemen and has longtime family ties to the country, Clinton administration officials said. Bin Laden's terrorist organization has close ties to the Egyptian Islamic Jihad. ........Salih specified in the television interview that the Islamic militants responsible for the attack had fought in Afghanistan against the Soviet occupation and then moved to Yemen. Bin Laden was a leader in the effort to oust the Soviets from Afghanistan and is reported to live there now under the protection of the ruling Taliban militia. ......"

vny.com/UPI 1/26/01 Richard Sale "......Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born Islamicterrorist suspect sought by the United States in connection with the August 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, had months earlier been linked to the 1993 deaths of 18 U.S. Rangers in Somalia. A Justice Department indictment of those responsible, however, was suppressed and no action taken, U.S. intelligence sources revealed Friday. ..... According to former U.S. intelligence officials, bin Laden was secretly indicted for the Ranger killings in 1997. "I personally discussed the indictment with the FBI," one former U.S. government source said. But the indictment was later "torn up" and then made part of a public indictment of bin Laden and 17 co-defendants filed in 1998 by the Justice Department following the bombings of U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in which 224 people died. The Ranger murders are mentioned specifically on pages 18 and19 of that indictment. .......According to former U.S. military sources, the U.S. military leadership, led by Adm. Jonathan Howe, senior officer of the U.N. peacekeeping force in Somalia, believed that Aidid's Somalia National Alliance forces were behind the July 12 murder of Pakistani troops in the U.N. force, and that the warlord should be captured and tried as a war criminal. Howe requested a Ranger force to hunt Aidid down. ......By the early summer of 1993, Aidid began an escalation. There were attacks by Islamic detachments operating out of Aidid-held areas of Mogadishu on U.N. forces, and on June 5, 24 Pakistani soldiers were ambushed and killed. The U.N. promptly declared the SNA "an outlaw faction," according to one U.S. official. .......On June 12, Aidid and several of his aides left Mogadishu for Khartoum where they attended a People's Arab and Islamic Conference chaired by Hassan Abdallah al-Turabi, a Sudanese leader who sponsored terrorism against the United States and backed the spread of Islam throughout the Horn of Africa, according to U.S. official who spoke to United Press International on condition of not being named. ....."


37 posted on 06/17/2004 11:32:50 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Mo1; cgk; McGavin999

FANTASTIC!


I think that is it!


38 posted on 06/17/2004 11:35:32 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Mo1

Mo1 found it!


39 posted on 06/17/2004 11:36:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Ernest_at_the_Beach

Thank You VERY VERY Much, Alamo-Girl, You are indeed a Godsend!!!!:-)


Thanks for the info and the tips!!!!:-)


Warm Hugs And Kisses, D2

:-)


40 posted on 06/17/2004 11:39:25 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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That second item is interesting. So why did Clinton not have enough evidence to gather in Bin Laden when he was offered by the Sudan's???

Inquiring minds want to know.

41 posted on 06/17/2004 11:43:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Good Questions. Wish I knew the answers.


42 posted on 06/17/2004 11:44:45 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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You're quite welcome, Defender2! Hugs and smooches to you!

But I see that Mo1 has found the actual indictment that Ernest was looking for - mine were only article excerpts giving clues. Kudos to Mo1!!!

BTW, I'd love to see the indictment for the Somalia incident which was not pursued by the Reno Justice Department...

43 posted on 06/17/2004 11:44:56 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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I would Too, Alamo-Girl. I also wonder why it was not pursued.


Hugs again, D2

:-)


44 posted on 06/17/2004 11:47:09 PM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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To: Alamo-Girl; PhilDragoo; Grampa Dave

Thanks for dropping by!

Where is everyone?

Must be a hot discussion going on womewhere else.


45 posted on 06/18/2004 12:02:35 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"womewhere" should be "somewhere"


46 posted on 06/18/2004 12:03:38 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Still here .. I was just looking at some old links I book marked

But the eyes are getting pretty blurry, so I'm off to bed

If I can be of any further help .. just let me know what ya need

Sweet Dreams


47 posted on 06/18/2004 12:19:20 AM PDT by Mo1 (That's right Old Media .... WE LOVED PRESIDENT REAGAN)
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To: Mo1
Thanks, i must shut down soon. Pulling some things from the PDF document:

Bin Laden Endorses the Nuclear Bomb of Islam kkkk. On or about May 29, 1998, the defendant USAMA BIN LADEN issued a statement entitled “The Nuclear Bomb of Islam,” under the banner of the “International Islamic Front for Fighting the Jews and the Crusaders,” in which he stated that “it is the duty of the Muslims to prepare as much force as possible to terrorize the enemies of God”;

48 posted on 06/18/2004 12:21:34 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: All
More:

The May 1998 Press Conference pppp.

On or about May 17, 1998, AL-‘OWHALI, using a passport in the alias “Khaled Salem Saleh Bin Rashed” traveled from Sanaa, Yemen, to Karachi, Pakistan, arriving in Karachi on May 18, 1998; qqqq.

In the days immediately following a May 1998 press interview, the defendant USAMA BIN LADEN held a press conference in Khost, Afghanistan, attended also by the defendants MUHAMMAD ATEF and MOHAMED RASHED DAOUD AL-'OWHALI, where USAMA BIN LADEN repeated his intention to kill Americans;

49 posted on 06/18/2004 12:25:32 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

The more info the better, Thanks, Ernest


FReegards, D2


50 posted on 06/18/2004 12:28:45 AM PDT by Defender2 (Defending Our Bill of Rights, Our Constitution, Our Country and Our Freedom!!!!)
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