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Missile kills Pakistan tribal head
CNN ^ | Friday, June 18 | Syed Mohsin Naqvi

Posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:30 PM PDT by AdmSmith

ISLAMABAD (CNN) -- A tribal leader accused of harboring Al Qaeda militants in Pakistan's western border region was killed Thursday night in a targeted missile strike, according to Pakistan intelligence sources. The Associated Press quoted an army spokesman Friday as identifying the tribal leader as Nek Mohammed, a former Taliban fighter.

He was killed late Thursday at the home of another tribal chief, the spokesman said.

"We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand," Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press.

(Excerpt) Read more at edition.cnn.com ...


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They finally got him.
1 posted on 06/17/2004 11:16:30 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Background here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1137369/posts


2 posted on 06/17/2004 11:17:44 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Allahu Fubar!


3 posted on 06/17/2004 11:18:52 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Dog; Boot Hill; nuconvert

Nek Mohammed is no more.


4 posted on 06/17/2004 11:20:26 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Go Mushie! Go Pakis! Join Civilization, as so many of you have done by re-locating to the USA. I've got to think the Pakis get it. They can chose the future (with us) or the 8th century (against us).


5 posted on 06/17/2004 11:27:46 PM PDT by jocon307 (help....I lost my tagline! wait I found it: Immigration Moratorium NOW!)
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To: sheik yerbouty; jocon307; AdmSmith
Jubiliant Karachi Shiite:

Yes, yazid! You have earned the white-hot wrath of the Pakastani military. And I'm not talkin' 'bout the good "white-hot wrath", I'm talkin' 'bout some sweet surface-to-surface missile action b****! Just because those pieces of crap were cobbled together from the spare parts of Yugos and rusted Kalashnikov rifles does not mean that they cannot still tear you a new one Yazid!

P.S. Yes, this is Donkey Kong's new screen name. Deal with it.

6 posted on 06/17/2004 11:48:18 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid
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To: AdmSmith

Beautiful.


7 posted on 06/17/2004 11:50:49 PM PDT by Poundstone
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To: Poundstone; jocon307; F14 Pilot; LoudRepublicangirl; sheik yerbouty
Karachi Shiite guy, once again:

Yes, you dhimmis are probably wondering why there is an extra "i" in the word jubilant. No? Well, let me just edify you mukruh pigs. It is the eye which I use to pimp slap indolent, vile yazids. You're next Ayman al-Zawahiri! You better keep those glasses handy, so that you can watch me as I kick your ass all the way back to Cairo, b****!

Seriously, this is a great story.

Finally, some good news on the WOT front!

8 posted on 06/18/2004 12:02:32 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid
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To: AdmSmith

Surprise! al Jazeera writes about it:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/3E237C3E-BBE8-4831-B04F-1A00355FE95D.htm

Pakistani forces have killed a renegade tribal leader allied with suspected al-Qaida fighters in an overnight mortar assault on a mud-brick fortress near the Afghan border.

Nek Muhammad, a former Taliban fighter who led fierce resistance to the Pakistan army's effort to flush out foreign fighters from the rugged tribal belt, died along with four others late on Thursday at the home of another tribal chief.

"We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand," said Major General Shaukat Sultan. He was killed in the attack in Pir Bagh, near Wana, the main town in South Waziristan.

Muhammad's men are responsible for several deadly ambushes against the army and led a group of heavily armed holdouts during a March standoff that left more than 120 people dead.

He later agreed to cooperate with authorities, but reneged on promises to turn over foreign fighters, prompting the latest round of hostilities.

Possible hideout

The area is considered a possible hideout for al-Qaida leader Usama bin Laden, though there is no hard intelligence on his whereabouts.

Muhammad's death marks a major victory for the Pakistani army, which has been embarrassed by its forces' heavy losses in fighting with the armed men.

Pakistan, a key ally of the United States in its "war on terror", has launched several operations in South Waziristan in the past year to flush out suspected al-Qaida fighters.

Hundreds of foreign fighters, including Arabs, Central Asians and Afghans, are still believed to be hiding there.

A major assault in South Waziristan ending early this week left at least 72 people dead, including 17 soldiers.


9 posted on 06/18/2004 12:20:25 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
Didn't this jackass ever watch The Untouchables?

Or any film dealing with organized crime, for that matter?

If you're going to attempt a 'hit' on the big boss, make sure that the bullet connects with its target. Otherwise, you're ass is grass!

Somehow, I don't think that Pakistani tribal leaders are the brightest people on this planet.

10 posted on 06/18/2004 12:39:13 AM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid
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To: AdmSmith

Go Mushie!!!!!


11 posted on 06/18/2004 2:12:24 AM PDT by Dog (In Memory of Pat Tillman ---- ---- ---- American Hero.)
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To: AdmSmith

There must be a school somewhere that all these clowns go to. Nek Mohammad, Zaeef, even Baghdad Bob all had the same sneer as they lied through their teeth, as if to say, "Yeah, I'm lying, but you can't prove it."

Hope that missile hit old Nek right in the chops. Serves him right for agreeing to register the militants, and then denying his own quoted statements.

There may yet be some reaction, though. Another jihadi (PPP) bit the bullet in Karachi today, and his cronies walked out of the legislature to set up mass protests over it.

Mushie's sitting on a powder keg which in turn is sitting on thin ice. If things start to melt down over there, I hope some...qualified individuals...are still watching the nukes.

I also hope Pervez has his succession ducks lined up in neat and bulletproof rows. With over a million men under arms, plus every other person also armed but not officially, and the situation in Karachi and Kashmir and the Frontier region, this all could get real ugly, real fast.


12 posted on 06/18/2004 2:29:28 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: sheik yerbouty

He fought the law and the law won!


13 posted on 06/18/2004 2:33:54 AM PDT by dennisw ("Allah FUBAR!")
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To: jeffers

Most of these persons are illiterates, and can only recite parts of the Qu'ran. They learned it in the local madrassa. Musharraf has allocated money in the new budget for real scools.
Nek contracted Malaria a few weeks ago, a not uncommon fate in these areas.

Here is more info on the end of Nek.
http://www.reuters.co.uk/newsPackageArticle.jhtml?type=worldNews&storyID=531765&section=news

Pakistan kills pro-al Qaeda tribal leader
Fri 18 June, 2004 09:43




By Hafiz Wazir

WANA, Pakistan (Reuters) - Pakistani forces have killed a top tribal warrior and four comrades who had sheltered al Qaeda fighters in overnight raids on a mud compound in a remote tribal region bordering Afghanistan, officials say.

Nek Mohammad, who protected al Qaeda-linked foreign militants in the semi-autonomous South Waziristan tribal belt, was killed near the region's main town of Wana, 400 km (250 miles) southwest of Islamabad, an intelligence official said on Friday requesting anonymity.

Military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said the military attacked Mohammad's hideout overnight after receiving reports that he had taken refuge there.

"He has been killed with four other terrorists," Sultan said in Islamabad. "It is a big success in the war against terror," he added, refusing to give further details of the operation.

Pakistan has been battling al Qaeda-linked militants and tribesmen sheltering them for months in a campaign to rid the country of Islamic radicals.

Up to 600 foreign militants, including Uzbeks, Arabs and Chechens who joined the U.S.-funded insurgency against Soviet forces in Afghanistan in the 1980s, are believed to be living in tribal areas, although dozens have been killed in recent clashes.

Thousands of mourners gathered for Mohammad's funeral in the village of Kalosha, near Wana. People wept and many at first refused to believe the turbaned and black-bearded 27-year-old had been killed.

His body lay on a low cot wrapped in a white sheet, his face showing scars and bruises, witnesses said.

Mohammad Noor, a local tribesman who saw the warrior die in hospital, said he had lost a leg in overnight fighting and one arm was badly wounded.

"He was a brave man," said Noor. "His last words were 'Allahu Akbar' (God is Greatest)."

In an interview with Reuters last month, Mohammad extolled the virtues of the "jihad", or holy war in cases where he said Muslims were repressed by infidels.

He joined the Taliban in neighbouring Afghanistan when the United States launched its war to topple the hardline militia in late 2001, but aides said he had not fought there since.

FEAR OF BACKLASH

The death of Mohammad raises fresh fears of a violent backlash by militants in Pakistani cities, senior officials said.

A wave of deadly attacks on religious and military targets in the southern port city of Karachi in recent months has been linked to operations against militants and their tribal allies.

In the latest crackdown in tribal areas that ended last week, more than 56 militant suspects and 17 soldiers were killed.

The Pakistani military said the government would continue to pursue a political solution to tribal issues after an April deal whereby foreign fighters who registered with the government would be granted amnesty fell through.

Mohammad was one of five tribesmen who surrendered to the government in that deal but he brought in no foreigners.

U.S. forces in Afghanistan have been urging Pakistan to do more to root out what they call "terrorists" in tribal areas.

The 20,000-strong U.S.-led force wants to create a "hammer and anvil" effect along the rugged border between the two countries to trap al Qaeda and Taliban fighters, possibly including Osama bin Laden and his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri.

Previous Pakistani operations have netted no top al Qaeda and Taliban figures, and Afghan officials say Islamabad has failed to crack down on militants it says cross into Afghanistan to wage a bloody insurgency ahead of elections in September.


14 posted on 06/18/2004 2:43:40 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: jeffers
Another jihadi (PPP) bit the bullet in Karachi today, and his cronies walked out of the legislature to set up mass protests over it.

I would not say that PPP are jihadist. Munawwar Suharwardy, Sindh PPP information secretary and a close confidant of Ms Benazir Bhutto, was shot dead in a targeted killing on Thursday afternoon near the busy Guru Mandir intersection. He was probably killed by a jihadist.
15 posted on 06/18/2004 3:13:10 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Thank you for the correction, that is a critical mistake on my part.

It is late, there is much going on, and because I have been expecting political resistance from the jihadists in response to the tribal offensives, when I heard the assembly had walked out in protest, I made a quick and inaccurate assumption.

From what I've read of Ms. Bhutto, it would indeed seem unlikely for her to consort with jihadists.

Without dismissing or minimizing my error, I would like to say that any assassination isn't going to calm things down over there, and the risks still apply.

Once again, sorry for any confusion resulting from my post.


16 posted on 06/18/2004 3:48:16 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: AdmSmith

HEY!

Remember this?

To: AdmSmith
Time for them to lob some missiles on Nek.
40 posted on 06/10/2004 2:43:11 PM PDT by nuconvert

You think they were lurking here?


17 posted on 06/18/2004 3:56:49 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: AdmSmith

Nek Mohammed [front] addresses a jirga (tribal meeting) in Wana

18 posted on 06/18/2004 4:00:27 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: AdmSmith

"...Missile kills Pakistan tribal head..."
- - -
Alternative titles:
The head is dead.
Nek gets necked.
Pak gets popped.


19 posted on 06/18/2004 4:02:24 AM PDT by DefCon
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To: nuconvert

Yes, ISI reads everything that is written about Pakistan here at FR.


20 posted on 06/18/2004 4:05:24 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

Profile of Nek Mohammed:
http://www.dawn.com/2004/06/18/latest.htm


21 posted on 06/18/2004 4:10:04 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

LoL.
Good news. Good riddance.


22 posted on 06/18/2004 4:11:54 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: AdmSmith

LoL.
Good news. Good riddance.


23 posted on 06/18/2004 4:13:04 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: AdmSmith

That's "Byronic good looks"?

24 posted on 06/18/2004 4:19:01 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid
Finally, some good news on the WOT front!

Finally?!?!?

80 terrorists killed by the U.S. Marines in the past few weeks, well over 50 killed by the Pakistanis, dozens captured - including KSM's nephew...

25 posted on 06/18/2004 4:20:18 AM PDT by Coop (Freedom isn't free)
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To: AdmSmith

This is good.

"obstinate determination to carry out his will no matter how mindless it might be."
"This earned him the nickname of Bodogay implying a thoughtless, stubborn person."


26 posted on 06/18/2004 4:22:27 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
When will the left print Teeshirts with this Che-type?
27 posted on 06/18/2004 4:24:14 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

"When will the left print Teeshirts...?

You wearing a watch?
Look for them at the next rally.


28 posted on 06/18/2004 4:27:18 AM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: AdmSmith

"Previous Pakistani operations have netted no top al Qaeda and Taliban figures, and Afghan officials say Islamabad has failed to crack down on militants it says cross into Afghanistan to wage a bloody insurgency ahead of elections in September."

No point in netting them if you can kill them. Good kill.

Way to go!


29 posted on 06/18/2004 4:29:40 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (How can you trust a man who will not risk his own Senate seat for a run at the presidency?)
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To: Coop
Finally, some good news on the WOT front!

WOT?

30 posted on 06/18/2004 5:17:23 AM PDT by Larry381 (The Democratic Party-commemorating 60 years of support for America's enemies)
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To: The Scourge of Yazid

Somehow, I don't think that Pakistani tribal leaders are the brightest people on this planet.


But they have a killer sense of fashion. Just look at Nek-he looks glorious!


31 posted on 06/18/2004 5:47:53 AM PDT by LoudRepublicangirl (loudrepublicangirl)
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To: LoudRepublicangirl

Yes, a deadly look!


32 posted on 06/18/2004 7:03:51 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith; StriperSniper; Mo1; Peach; Howlin; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ...
SPLAT!!Pakistani Security Forces Kill Alleged Al-Qaida Facilitator

Security forces in Pakistan have killed a rebel tribal leader in an operation against al-Qaida-linked terror suspects in a remote mountainous region. Pakistani officials say that nearly 70 suspected terrorists have been killed in the area in less than two weeks.

Officials and witnesses say Nek Mohammad was killed, along with four associates, in a late night rocket attack near the Afghan border.

The military described the 27-year-old Mr. Mohammad as "an al-Qaida facilitator." He had been staying at a friend's house in a village in the South Waziristan tribal region.

"We had the information about presence of Nek Mohammad and his associates in this particular area, which was targeted last night, and it is believed that he is amongst those five killed," explained Major-General Shaukat Sultan, chief spokesman for the Pakistan army.

Mr. Mohammad was allegedly sheltering and protecting dozens of suspected foreign al-Qaida militants in the area. The Pakistani military has lately intensified efforts to flush out the foreign forces and their local supporters hiding in the mountains along the border.

33 posted on 06/18/2004 7:14:07 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: OXENinFLA; Boot Hill; jeffers

Boot Hill has some nice maps http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155547/posts?page=19#19

and Jeffers got satellite maps http://host1.in-motion.net/~jefft/tech/Mapping/afghanistan/index.html

Thanks Boot and Jeff!


34 posted on 06/18/2004 7:32:14 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith
Lockheed Martin - when you care enough to send the very best.


35 posted on 06/18/2004 7:35:07 AM PDT by CholeraJoe (30 Aug 1945, American troops occupy Tokyo. 187th Airborne Infantry Reg't. "Rakkasan!")
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To: AdmSmith

And more
Wanted Tribal Leader Killed in Pakistan

Friday June 18, 2004 3:16 PM


By AHSANULLAH WAZIR

Associated Press Writer
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4218833,00.html

WANA, Pakistan (AP) - Pakistani forces killed a renegade tribal leader allied with suspected al-Qaida militants in a helicopter assault on a mud-brick fortress near the Afghan border, the army spokesman said Friday.

Nek Mohammed was tracked down by tracing an intercepted satellite phone call, a senior security official told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. Six others were killed with Mohammed in the missile strike late Thursday.

Mohammed, a former Taliban fighter, led fierce resistance to the army's offensive to flush out foreign militants from the rugged tribal belt near the Afghan border where al-Qaida is believed to be active.

``We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand,'' Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan told The Associated Press in Islamabad, the Pakistani capital.

The helicopter fired a missile at Mohammed's hideout near Wana, the main town in South Waziristan.

The British Broadcasting Corp. has conducted at least two phone interviews with Mohammed in the past week, though it was not clear whether either of those calls was used to track him down.

In one of the interviews, Mohammed acknowledged foreigners were living in the tribal areas, but denied that they were terrorists.

``Those foreigners who are living here are not terrorists - rather they are mujahedeen (holy warriors) who took part in the Afghan jihad,'' he said, a reference to the U.S.-backed war in the 1980s to drive the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan.

Sultan would not confirm whether Mohammed was traced through a satellite phone call.

It was not clear if the United States was involved in the effort to track Mohammed. Pakistan is thought to lack the sophisticated satellite technology necessary for such phone intercepts and acknowledges that it sometimes receives ``technical help'' from the Americans.

Mohammed's death was a major victory for the Pakistani army, which has been embarrassed by heavy losses in fighting with the militants, who are thought to enjoy protection from some tribes along the border.

The United States military, pursuing al-Qaida on the Afghan side of the border, has been pressing hard for Islamabad to step up military activity in Waziristan. The area is considered a possible hideout for al-Qaida chief Osama bin Laden, though there is no hard intelligence on his whereabouts.

``We are confident that this killing of Nek Mohammed will help the ongoing operation in South Waziristan, and counter the threat of terrorism in other parts of the country,'' Interior Minister Faisal Saleh Hayyat told lawmakers on Friday.

About 70 foreign militants have been killed in South Waziristan since June 9, when the army launched the latest offensive against them, he said, adding that the operation will continue until the last terror suspect is killed. Seventeen soldiers have also died.

Mohammed's men are responsible for several deadly ambushes against the army and led a group of heavily armed holdouts during a March standoff that left more than 120 people dead.

He later agreed to cooperate with authorities, but reneged on promises to turn over foreign fighters, prompting the latest round of hostilities.

Mohammed apparently was staying in the home of another tribal leader, Sher Zaman, when the army helicopters attacked late Thursday. Residents said two of Zaman's grown-up sons, his grandson and an associate of Mohammed also were killed.

The security official said two of those killed in the attack in the town of Pir Bagh were foreigners, but their identities were not known. They did not appear to be senior al-Qaida leaders.

Sultan said Pakistani forces were the ones who killed Mohammed. He said local reports that an unmanned U.S. aircraft may have fired the missile were ``absurd.''

Mohammed's body was taken to his village of Kaloosha, about six miles west of Wana, where thousands of people attended his funeral on Friday.

In the March assault, Pakistani troops were surprised on the first day, suffering heavy casualties and allowing hundreds of suspects to flee.

Government officials had said they believed a high-ranking al-Qaida operative - possibly bin Laden deputy Ayman al-Zawahri - was surrounded in the March attack, but no senior leaders were found. An Uzbek militant, Tahir Yuldash, reportedly was wounded in the assault, but he got away.

Pakistan, a key ally of the United States in its war on terror, has launched several operations in South Waziristan in the past year to flush out suspected al-Qaida militants. Hundreds of foreign fighters - including Arabs, Central Asians and Afghans, are still believed to be hiding there.

----

Associated Press reporter Munir Ahmad contributed to this report from Islamabad, Pakistan.

Guardian Unlimited © Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004


36 posted on 06/18/2004 8:00:56 AM PDT by Valin (This was only a test; if this had been a real emergency, you'd be dead.)
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To: Valin

This is great news all around, but I like the "absurd" version best of all!


37 posted on 06/18/2004 8:03:41 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Cap Huff

Here is an "absurd" predator:http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/predator.htm


38 posted on 06/18/2004 8:10:57 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

39 posted on 06/18/2004 8:12:58 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: Cap Huff

"In one of the interviews, Mohammed acknowledged foreigners were living in the tribal areas, but denied that they were terrorists."

Can we say tourists?


40 posted on 06/18/2004 8:23:27 AM PDT by Valin (This was only a test; if this had been a real emergency, you'd be dead.)
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To: Valin
Perhaps fellow travelers?
41 posted on 06/18/2004 8:33:21 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: AdmSmith

When I think vacation, the FIRST place that comes to mind is South Waziristan.


42 posted on 06/18/2004 8:42:53 AM PDT by Valin (This was only a test; if this had been a real emergency, you'd be dead.)
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To: Coop
Well, I was kind of grouping these actions under the same banner, considering the fact that we are-supposedly-receiving help from the Pak armed forces in pinching off the Al Qaeda/Taliban remnants in a hammer and anvil action.

Hopefully, these maneuvers will pay more dividends in the near future.

43 posted on 06/18/2004 12:06:17 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid
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To: LoudRepublicangirl
Can't argue with you there.

Then again, even those stylish Shalwar Kameez jammies the Paks wear get a little bit disheveled after taking a few Hellfire missiles to the lapel.

44 posted on 06/18/2004 12:08:57 PM PDT by The Scourge of Yazid
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To: Valin; AdmSmith; Coop; Cap Huff; Dog; jeffers
Stringing these quotes together reveals some tantalizing details surrounding the untimely demise of Nek Mohammed...

“Nek Mohammed was tracked down by tracing an intercepted satellite phone call, a senior security official told The Associated Press...”

“The British Broadcasting Corp. has conducted at least two phone interviews with Mohammed in the past week...”

“Sultan would not confirm whether Mohammed was traced through a satellite phone call.”

“It was not clear if the United States was involved in the effort to track Mohammed. Pakistan is thought to lack the sophisticated satellite technology necessary for such phone intercepts and acknowledges that it sometimes receives ``technical help'' from the Americans.”

It is plausable that those BBC calls were what allowed the U.S. to track down Nek Mohammed. But I find it highly unlikely that the BBC would knowingly cooperate in this kind of operation. However, their reporters could easily have been duped into this through a sting operation where a BBC intel contact offered the BBC a "once in a lifetime" opportunity to interview a live Taliban Jihad leader in the field.

But Who Killed Cock Robin?

“Nek Mohammed...[and] six others were killed with Mohammed in the missile strike late Thursday.”

“The helicopter fired a missile at Mohammed's hideout near Wana...”

“We were tracking him down and he was killed last night by our hand, [said] Maj. Gen. Shaukat Sultan.”

So, it was done in the dark of night, where witnesses would be unable to identify the the aircraft involved. And Pakistan "acknowledges that it sometimes receives technical help from Americans". And the U.S. operates out of numerous airbases, both in Pakistan and Afghanistan. And the Predator UAV has IR day/night capability, carries the Hellfire missile, has a range of 450 miles, and was deployed to the Afghanistan theatre in October of 2001. Hmmm...I wonder, Who Killed Cock Robin?

--Boot Hill

45 posted on 06/18/2004 12:45:52 PM PDT by Boot Hill (Candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo, candy-gram for Osama bin Mongo!)
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To: Boot Hill

Absurd!!!

;-)


46 posted on 06/18/2004 1:08:41 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: All

Back in the day, SOP was for the foreign jihadists to arrive in Pakistan and be greeted by handlers in Peshawar (or other cities, but Peshawar was the main one), and gradually processed and evaluated at guest houses constructed for the purpose. There was quite a bit of indoctrination along in here too, the line between madrassa and guest house was and is thin.

Next step was to be sorted into ability groups and sent to training camps along both sides of the border. On successful completion, they would be rotated into the field, sometimes on the front lines of the Afghan Mujahideen-Soviet War, for a period of three weeks to three months, and then back to the guest houses in Pakistan for rest and more indoctrination.

Those who proved themselves on the battlefield, by foreign jihadist standards, (the Afghans generally viewed their fighting abilities with contempt), were assigned to other camps for additional higher order training, and back into the field, for the cycle to begin anew.

In the course of the downtime and training time, many of the foreign jihadists formed relationships with local Pakistanis, families, and presumably girls. Keep in mind that these jihadists were engaged in fighting a superpower on behalf of Islam, and in general, were looked upon as heroes by the Pakistani tribesmen they were living amongst.

After the Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan, many of these foreign militants stayed in the region and settled down.


Those remaining can be divided into two main subgroups. One, foreign jihadists still under contract to Afghan warlords or extremist Islamist groups such as Al Qaeda, and two, new settlers looking to raise a family.

After political resistance began to mount during the Pak offensive against foreign militants in March of this year, it was decided to attempt a political process to distinguish between these two types of leftover jihadists, a part of which included a photo database, checkpoints, and registration.

The underlying assumption was that the peaceful settlers wouldn't mind being registered, especially since doing so would allow them to bypass several days of incarceration and investigation on attempting to pass a checkpoint.

Nek Mohammed, closely affiliated with the still militarily active jihadists agreed to this process to gain official pardon, then changed his mind and spoke out against registration.

Either the peaceful ex-jihadists were intimidated by the militant ones, or else no peaceful ex-jihadists exist, as none registered.

Hence the current operation.

It is my belief that the current offensives began as hasty attacks, as opposed to the deliberate execution of the master plan. Patrols stumbled onto a few jihadists in the course of preparing for a major government offensive. Some were killed and some were captured.

The militants responded by attacking checkpoints at at Torwam Bridge, north of Tiarza in the Shakai valley, and at or near Inzar Narai, which is roughly due north of Faloosha and north west of Wana. The militants occupied the checkpoints for s short period, before Pak maneuver and fire support killed them or drove them off.

Within 24 hours, the major operation was underway, perhaps ahead of schedule, but if so, only by a few days.

Current Pak troop dispositions form a three sided box, open side facing west as follows, Miram Shah south to Wana, and from both towns west to the border with Afghanistan, where the Coalition troops form the fourth side of the box.

It is not currently clear to me whether the Wana-Miram Shah link-up has been completed. Advances from both towns to the west have covered suffucient distance, against presumably heavier resistance, to have completed the perimeter, but there has been no official or speculative reporting that place Pak units much south of Miram Shah, or north of the pass above the Shakai valley.

The area enclosed by the perimeter is comprised of the Shawal Mountain District, a loose ring of rugged ridgelines surrounding a central valley, with the western ridgeline largely comprising the Pak-Afghan border. A search of the term "Shawal" plus relevant terrorist terminology (try "Al Qaeda") will yield additional pertinent information as to the disposition and intent of the militants perhaps still in the area.

Without speculating as to future Pak intentions, I would note that their stated objective has always been to cleanse the tribal areas of foreign militants. I would also note that early descriptions of Operation Mountain Storm from Public Affairs at Baghram included the phrase "Hammer and Anvil".

I would hesitate to expand further on these operations, in fact I am uncomfortable in laying out this much in a public forum. However, all of the above information has been released to the open source media by official Pak military and political leaders, on multiple instances, so I can only conclude that it is their intent to distribute this information.


47 posted on 06/18/2004 1:40:17 PM PDT by jeffers
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To: AdmSmith
Nek Mohammed is no more.

Nonsense. He is merely pining for the fjords.

48 posted on 06/18/2004 1:43:23 PM PDT by tortoise (All these moments lost in time, like tears in the rain.)
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The Pakistani government has always had an very low presence in these regions, the rulers have been local tribes. Today this can not be accepted and the central government will take control. This is a very huge task and it will take several years. Islamabad will remove all potential troublemakers, and as the main risk today is from foreign insurgents they are the prime target. This is nation building.
49 posted on 06/18/2004 2:38:48 PM PDT by AdmSmith
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For the most part I agree.

There is always the mathematical possibility that the tribes, valuing their previous autonomous freedoms, will recognize that certain minimum performance is the price of that freedom and embrace change.

They have not been quick to do this, and I suspect they will lose those freedoms forever.

Fully purging the lawless regions on both side of the border may take as long as several generations.

I can't think of a better way to start than establishing large military bases at Wana, Miram Shah, Parachinar, Khost, and Orgun. The swamp that has been the porous border region will be drained, and the alligators encouraged find other accomodations.

But first, there's a particularly big nest that requires special attention.


50 posted on 06/18/2004 6:02:05 PM PDT by jeffers
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