Posted on 06/19/2004 10:02:18 AM PDT by Jalapeno
June 19, 2004, 12:05AM
By RHEA DAVIS and JOE STINEBAKER
Copyright 2004 Houston Chronicle
Hours after an al-Qaida group announced the killing of American hostage Paul Johnson on Friday, Muslims expressed outrage locally at the second beheading linked to the U.S. invasion of Iraq.
Muslim Democrats from around the state were in a caucus at the Texas Democratic Party's convention in Houston when the news broke of Johnson's beheading.
Dr. Inayat Lalani, a retired surgeon from Fort Worth and the head of the caucus, said he and other members "absolutely, categorically and vehemently denounce" the killing.
"This was the act of some brutal people who have nothing to do with decency. We completely repudiate that. That is not Islam," he said.
The remains of the 49-year-old Johnson, an electronics engineer who worked for Lockheed Martin Corp., were found north of Saudi Arabia's capital city of Riyadh on Friday. Photos of his bloody body were shown on an Islamic Web site.
Hours later, Saudi authorities announced they had surrounded and killed the men responsible for Johnson's death, including the reputed ringleader of the al-Qaida cell that kidnapped him.
At a small shopping center along Hillcroft in southwest Houston that caters to Indian and Pakistani communities, Muslims expressed a similar sentiment.
"What's going on in Saudi Arabia is horrible," said Mushtaq Qureshi, a 48-year-old Houston resident who came to the United States from Pakistan 15 years ago. "We don't like the Taliban or the terrorists who are doing this. We just want to live in peace and love."
Qureshi said he sometimes worried about being victimized for his religious beliefs, but did not think he was in more danger in the wake of Friday's killing.
Many Americans, he said, have misperceptions about his religion.
Kamran Jilani, who arrived in the United States from Pakistan four years ago, said many Muslims are scared about the events unfolding in the Arab world.
Jilani said he was not concerned about a backlash against Muslims after Friday's killing.
Mohammad Zee, 42, said he never felt afraid in the United States because he thinks the majority of Americans are kind and respectful.
He said people need to understand that the terrorists who are killing Americans abroad are not following the tenets of Islam.
"Islam does not allow this type of killing," he said. "Islam does not teach us to kill."
Were they as vocal when young Nick Berg was beheaded?
Well then ...
Many Muslims, I say, have misperceptions about his religion!
Could this be an advertisement for the Dems?? Ya think??
Now, what again was that expression? "Boob bait for the Bubbas"?
Well, this "Bubba" aint' bitin'!! My tagline makes it abundantly clear why.
Stinking murder cultists one and all.
Be gone, vermin!!
Thank goodness, I would have choked on the expression 'Muslim conservatives....'
Gee, they kill (in horrendous ways, most of them) 3,000 people in New York, Washington DC and Pennsylvania, and nary a peep. They mutilate and kill contracters in Iraq. They behead Nick Berg; they slash the throat and nearly kill a reporter--and they do much more, to many others. All is quiet throughout.
Now, finally, they get around to DENOUNCING one of the heinous acts?
A little late, in my book. They can stuff it.
They're learning to feign outrage at the misdeeds of their co-religionists. Ever since 9-11, they've been sharply critized for condemning Islamic terrorism, in, at best, a vague, non-specific way.
Yes, these two or three Moslems stand in stark contrast to the absolute silence when 3000 U.S. citizens and three 747 class aircraft were destroyed.
Where was their outrage then, other than a number of Moslem clerics trying to horn in on the funeral services, which was an outrage I'll never forget. Where has been their outrage at the radical Moslem sects trying to pevent Iraqis from having self-determination? Where is their outrage at all the innocents being killed by mass murder on Iraqi soil?
While I welcome any expression of sympathy or outrage out of this group, I've had nothing to welcome to this point.
Christians express outrage at evil, whether perpetrated by their own or others. Moslems have so far stood in stark contrast to this. Enough said!
They don't give a rip about Johnson or the USA .
They are just worried about their precious Saudi Arabia,which represents stability and stregnth to an Arab. I think it's that the Evildoers may affect them now, the evil coming home to roost.....
Thats all
Otherwise they would have spoken up all these months and years about all the numerous attrocities that did not affect them so much,
All of a sudden they grew a heart ?
better yet....were they this vocal after the muslim-scum killed 3000 on 9-11?
Unless you're killing Jewish kids coming out of shul or sitting in a pizza parlor. Then it's ok.
"Now, finally, they get around to DENOUNCING one of the heinous acts?
A little late, in my book. They can stuff it."
It's only because the Democratic convention is supposed to take place in Texas, right? Gives one perspective on their intent doesn't it. Liars and hypocrites, a leftists code of ethics.
Well said DoughtyOne.
Thanks for the post
Luigi
This beheading is the real Islam form many of your people, and your home grown psychos. And has a lot more Koran support, scriptural support, than does any moderate Mohammedanism. Many Mohammedans rejoiced when Bin Ladin's crew knocked down the World Trade Center.
Scratch the surfaced of a moderate Mohammedan and he'll rant on about Israel and how it should be destroyed.
Too little, too late........I will never trust a live Muslim as long as I live, nor will my children, nor will my grandchildren and so on.
Talk is nothing, it's action that counts.
It is almost 3 years too late for outrage Mr Muslim.
Begging now won't help you avoid any "repurcussions" which may or may not arise at a later date perpetrated by distraught Americans.
Sorry Dr. this is the essence of Islam to kill the infidel. You have been fooled by the Great Deceiver and you need to find the Real God. Funny they only quote the Muslim off the street and no Clerics? Where are they??? Ferriconman??
Pray for W and Iraqi Salvation
Yes, these two or three Moslems stand in stark contrast to the absolute silence when 3000 U.S. citizens and three 747 class aircraft were destroyed.That "silence" is an urban legend:
-Eric
If you look closely at the comments, they are, basically, seminar comments. These folks are not concerned a bit about the barbaric actions being committed by their "brothers in faith", they only want to make sure that they don't feel the backlash. We are supposed to be gullible enough to believe that MOST Muslims are "peace-loving" people who deplore these acts of violence and, yet, rarely do the "peace-loving" Muslims ever speak out against these acts of barbarism.
In my book, actions speak louder than words. Tired of the terrorists hijacking your religion? Quit cowering in your mosque and take your so-called religion back! In the meantime, don't tell me about how these barbaric acts are counter the the teachings of Islam. Every barbaric terrorist out there has quoted verses from the Koran that justify their acts of barbarism. Perhaps those who claim that the barbarians are acting against the teaching of Islam need to be introduced to their own religion.
Yawn. Who cares if its islam or not.
Pathologiccally fragile people whose entire world is dictated by their adherence to and fear of their own religion.
Thanks for linking me to the Al Jazera network, or it's equivelant. You must be joking.
Moslem clerics saw 09/11 as the press opportunity of the century. Selling Moslem philosophy was instantly going to be easier. Inclusion of leaders of the religion that the perpetrators were members of, in the funerals of Christian victims was one of the most blood curdling decisions I have ever witnessed. Victims families were forced to listen to Moslem clerics address the issues of the loss of their loved ones, a constant reminder of who the perps were.
If these clerics had an ounce of understanding for human suffering, they would have forgone the opportunity to be stage center, opting instead to place condolence articles in the newspapers, allowing the families to grieve with services that remained true to the faith of their dead family member's.
No, these professions by the clerics at the funerals were all about them. They were all about the Moslem faith. They were not about comforting those who had just been attack by Moslems. It was about salvaging any possible face for Moslemism. This insensitivity was an astoundingly display of poor judgement.
Let's consider one more issue. If Moslems truly felt 09/11 was evil, then it would stand to reason that they would condemn any violent acts by the same groups, or their sympathizers. Does Al Jazeera condemn such acts? Does it promote reason and understanding favorable to the west? Hell no, it is first to publish photos of the beheadings, every statement thought to be that of Osama Bin Laden or his fellow travelers. Then it trashes the U.S. and the west at every opportunity. Do Moselms in the west pan Al Jazeera? Link me to that fella.
Please point me to one prominant publication where Moslems in the U.S. support what the U.S. is doing in Iraq, and not just one little splinter group. Please point me to one place where U.S. Moslems constantly disparage what the Al Qaeda terrorists are doing today?
ROTFL "KoRAN [9.5] So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful."
And check out what a very few ex-muslims have to say:
"Today the humanity is facing a great danger. Islamic fundamentalism is on the rise and the hatred is brewing in the minds of millions of Muslims. This hatred must be contained or there would be disastrous consequences. We believe that the education is the only answer. Muslim intellectuals must realize that Islam is a false doctrine and they must let the rest of Islamic world know the truth. Islam is a religion that thrives on the arrogant assumption that it is the most logical, the most scientific and the most perfect religion. While the fact is that it is the stupidest doctrine — the most backward and absurd belief. Once the truth about Islam becomes common knowledge, it will be weakened and the Islamic fanaticism will lose its fangs. Hundreds of billions of dollars are being expended to combat Islamic terrorism, yet no effort is made to contain the ideology behind this terrorism. It is our belief that Islamic terrorism will not be eliminated unless and until the ideology behind it is not exposed and eradicated. This is what we intend to do. "
Should we conclude from this article that Texas Muslims are mostly Democrats?
Exactly. Lying to an "infidel" is NOT a sin in their book.
I think the satan worshippers are starting to see that Texas is about to get pissed off.
A little late to the party wouldn't you say? But they are democrats so the must have taken a poll. Polls take time ya know.
Thanks for linking me to the Al Jazera network, or it's equivelant. You must be joking.No minister is going to invite participants in a funeral without the consent of the family. If you're speaking of the memorial services held after the attacks, Muslims were invited by Christian ministers to participate. I know that's what happened in Cleveland.Moslem clerics saw 09/11 as the press opportunity of the century. Selling Moslem philosophy was instantly going to be easier. Inclusion of leaders of the religion that the perpetrators were members of, in the funerals of Christian victims was one of the most blood curdling decisions I have ever witnessed. Victims families were forced to listen to Moslem clerics address the issues of the loss of their loved ones, a constant reminder of who the perps were.
If these clerics had an ounce of understanding for human suffering, they would have forgone the opportunity to be stage center, opting instead to place condolence articles in the newspapers, allowing the families to grieve with services that remained true to the faith of their dead family member's.
No, these professions by the clerics at the funerals were all about them. They were all about the Moslem faith. They were not about comforting those who had just been attack by Moslems. It was about salvaging any possible face for Moslemism. This insensitivity was an astoundingly display of poor judgement.
Let's face it, first you said they were silent. When that was proven false, you say they responded inappropriately. They're damned if they don't and damned if they do, in the eyes of many here.
Let's consider one more issue. If Moslems truly felt 09/11 was evil, then it would stand to reason that they would condemn any violent acts by the same groups, or their sympathizers. Does Al Jazeera condemn such acts? Does it promote reason and understanding favorable to the west? Hell no, it is first to publish photos of the beheadings, every statement thought to be that of Osama Bin Laden or his fellow travelers. Then it trashes the U.S. and the west at every opportunity. Do Moselms in the west pan Al Jazeera? Link me to that fella.They don't care about Al-Jazeera. They came here to get away from the fundamentalists in their old countries.
Please point me to one prominant publication where Moslems in the U.S. support what the U.S. is doing in Iraq, and not just one little splinter group.Sure: Iraqi-Americans United Against Hussein's 'Republic of Fear'
Iraqi-Americans celebrate downfall
Please point me to one place where U.S. Moslems constantly disparage what the Al Qaeda terrorists are doing today?I'd say the original article qualifies, actually.
-Eric
They're learning that if this continues *their* safety is not assured.
Of course and because we aren't muslims. If they're so concerned, why don't they call a jihad against the thugs?
23 - "That "silence" is an urban legend:"
they just don't want non-muslims to strike back for Islamic treachery - in otherwords, they are scared for their rice bowls. selections from only one document From your link:
What a pile of LIES and and misleading, self serving crap. They just want to eliminate non-muslims, without their resistance, and protect their butts:
ADOPTED AT THE EXTRAORDINARY SESSION OF THE ISLAMIC CONFERENCE OF FOREIGN MINISTERS ON TERRORISM
1-3- APRIL 2002
1. In the name of Islamic solidarity, we, the Foreign Ministers of the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), have gathered in Kuala Lumpur to state our collective resolve to combat terrorism and to respond to developments affecting Muslims and Islamic countries in the aftermath of the 11th September attacks;
4. We reaffirm our commitment to the principles and true teachings of Islam which abhor aggression, value peace, tolerance and respect as well as prohibiting the killing of innocent people;
5. We reject any attempt to link Islam and Muslims to terrorism as terrorism has no association with any religion, civilization or nationality;
10. We reject any attempt to link terrorism to the struggle of the Palestinian people in the exercise of their inalienable right to establish their independent state with Al-Quds Al-Sharif as its capital;
11. We reject any attempt to associate Islamic states or Palestinian and Lebanese resistance with terrorism, which constitutes an impediment to the global struggle against terrorism;
12. We condemn Israel for its escalating military campaign against the Palestinian people, including the daily brutalization and humiliation of its civilians, resulting in mounting casualties, strangulation of the Palestinian economy, systematic and indiscriminate destruction of houses and residential facilities as well as infrastructure, institutions and structures of the Palestinian National Authority;
13. We emphasize the importance of addressing the root causes of international terrorism, convinced that the war against terrorism will not succeed if the environment that breeds terrorism, including foreign occupation, injustice and exclusion, is allowed to thrive;
15. We reject any unilateral action taken against any Islamic country under the pretext of combating international terrorism, as this will undermine global cooperation against terrorism;
16. We reiterate our call for the convening of an international conference under the auspices of the United Nations to formulate a joint organized response of the international community to terrorism in all its forms and manifestations;
We will, at the national level, continue to pursue policies and strategies aimed at enhancing the well-being and prosperity of our peoples, as well as addressing and resolving domestic factors that contribute to terrorism.
Adopted this 20 Muharram 1423H
3rd day of April 2002 in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.
We condemn in the strongest possible terms our brothers' following of the strictures of the Koran in beheading an infidel.
24 - bingo:
"Perhaps those who claim that the barbarians are acting against the teaching of Islam need to be introduced to their own religion."
I can hear the muslims now. "It's an outrage, it's horrible,.......but but if America would stop supporting Israel, stop changing the government in Iraq,.... Americans really deserve this."
Let's face it, first you said they were silent. When that was proven false, you say they responded inappropriately. They're damned if they don't and damned if they do, in the eyes of many here.
It really wasn't up to the Christian ministers who appeared at the memorial services was it? Those were memorial services for the dead relatives of U.S. citizens, almost exclusively Christian. This wasn't about salvaging Moslem standing in the community. That service could have been held at the Indian's stadium for all who wished to attend. This was a memorial service. Many families were absolutely petrified to see what the services turned into, Moslem cleric after Moslem cleric, some even talking in Arabic to English audiences. It was a national disgrace. You may not see it that way, I and many many other people do.
They don't care about Al-Jazeera. They came here to get away from the fundamentalists in their old countries.
Well, if they wanted to get away from the old country, they might have started off by attending the services of a western religion. No, as a matter of fact they didn't want to give up the old country teachings and that's crystal clear. And their relative silence in the fact of initial actions and subsequent occurances has been self-damning.
Sure: Iraqi-Americans United Against Hussein's 'Republic of Fear'
Iraqi-Americans celebrate downfall We're talking about followers of the Moslem faith. We're not simply talking about Iraqis of Muslim beliefs, so this is simply a splinter group offering, something I told you I wasn't interested in. Nice try.
Your offerings do not present the cross the board display I would have considered to be revealatory of Moslem thought. You provide links to some clerics trying desparately to disuade public opinion that wasn't going in their direction. For every article that you can show, there are other articles that depict the exact opposite.
It may interest you to know that graduating UC Irvine students will today be wearing sashes that honor Hamas, during their graduation ceremonies.
So much for public pronouncements from Moslem adherents.
30 - "I think the satan worshippers are starting to see that Texas is about to get pissed off."
Let's make a mild start, I already have, of boycotting any muslim establishment or establishement which employs them. Get the Muslims back to their origins, start protecting our country. DRIVE OUT MUSLIMS FROM AMERICA, Like they are attempting to Drive us from the world.
So are they going to denounce the kidnapping too, or not?
That is exactly the way I see it. For me, the book is closed, the time has passed.
"Islam does not allow this type of killing," he said. "Islam does not teach us to kill."
Correction. Islam allows killing, and it does teach to kill.
It also allows and promotes lying, which is what muslims do.
Backlash plans being held for contingency.
23 - from your linkmore muslim lies and crap, from muslim leaders in your link, of how muslims condemn (LOL) murdering non-muslims:
:
http://islam.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=islam&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unc.edu%2F%257Ekurzman%2Fterror.htm
Islamic Statements Against Terrorism in the Wake of the September 11 Mass Murders
Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS - Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians:
“The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur'an: 'No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another' (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”
MSANews, September 14, 2001,
Now look what the Koran really says:
17.15] Whoever goes aright, for his own soul does he go aright; and whoever goes astray, to its detriment only does he go astray: nor can the bearer of a burden bear the burden of another, nor do We chastise until We raise an apostle.
[17.16] And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.
[17.17] And how many of the generations did We destroy after Nuh! and your Lord is sufficient as Knowing and Seeing with regard to His servants' faults.
[17.18] Whoever desires this present life, We hasten to him therein what We please for whomsoever We desire, then We assign to him the hell; he shall enter it despised, driven away.
===
Religion of Peace - ROTFLMAO
44 - And another joke from the same link:
"Abdel-Mo'tei Bayyoumi, al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy, Cairo, Egypt:
“There is no terrorism or a threat to civilians in jihad [religious struggle].”
Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 20 - 26 September 2001, http://www.ahram.org.eg/weekly/2001/552/p4fall3.htm
44 - And another joke from the same link:
Shaykh Muhammad bin ‘Abdallah al-Sabil, member of the Council of Senior Religious Scholars, Saudi Arabia:
“Any attack on innocent people is unlawful and contrary to shari'a (Islamic law). ... Muslims must safeguard the lives, honor and property of Christians and Jews. Attacking them contradicts shari'a.”
Agence France Presse, December 4, 2001
44 - And another joke from the same link:
Council of Saudi ‘Ulama', fatwa of February 2003:
"What is happening in some countries from the shedding of the innocent blood and the bombing of buildings and ships and the destruction of public and private installations is a criminal act against Islam. ... Those who carry out such acts have the deviant beliefs and misleading ideologies and are responsible for the crime. Islam and Muslims should not be held responsible for such actions."
The Dawn newspaper, Karachi, Pakistan, February 8, 2003, http://www.dawn.com/2003/02/08/top17.htm
44 - And another joke from the same link:
Ayatollah Ali Khamene’i, supreme jurist-ruler of Iran:
“Killing of people, in any place and with any kind of weapons, including atomic bombs, long-range missiles, biological or chemical weopons, passenger or war planes, carried out by any organization, country or individuals is condemned. ... It makes no difference whether such massacres happen in Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Qana, Sabra, Shatila, Deir Yassin, Bosnia, Kosovo, Iraq or in New York and Washington.”
Islamic Republic News Agency, September 16, 2001, http://www.irna.com/en/hphoto/010916000000.ehp.shtml
AND ALL THE MURDERS BY ISLAMISTS?
44 - Well, at last, here is one who got it right, except for "Islam is a religion of peace and tolerance", :
Shaikh Muhammad Yusuf Islahi, Pakistani-American Muslim leader:
“The sudden barbaric attack on innocent citizens living in peace is extremely distressing and deplorable. Every gentle human heart goes out to the victims of this attack and as humans we are ashamed at the barbarism perpetrated by a few people. Islam, which is a religion of peace and tolerance, condemns this act and sees this is as a wounding scar on the face of humanity. I appeal to Muslims to strongly condemn this act, express unity with the victims' relatives, donate blood, money and do whatever it takes to help the affected people.”
“Messages From Shaikh Muhammad Yusuf Islahi,” http://www.icna.org/wtc_islahi.htm
44 - more jokes and lies from prominent muslims", :
“The Hijackers Were Not Muslims After All: Recapturing Islam From the Terrorists,” http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/masud/ISLAM/ahm/recapturing.htm
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