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The new Mozillas are out (my title)
Mozilla.org ^ | June 19, 2004 | me

Posted on 06/19/2004 5:44:40 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat

Mozilla 1.7

Web-browser built for 2004, advanced e-mail and newsgroup client, IRC chat client, and HTML editing made simple -- all your Internet needs in one application.

Navigator

Tabbed browsing gives you a better way to surf the net. You no longer have to open one page at a time. With tabbed browsing, open several pages at once with one click. And now your homepage can be multiple tabbed pages.

Popup blocker

lets you surf the web without intrusion. Advanced popup blocker notifies you when popups are blocked. You can also block pop-ups on a site per site basis.

Image Manager lets you block images to block offensive images or to speed up the rendering of web sites.

Find as you type gives you another way to navigate a page. Just start typing to jump from link to link or to find a word or phrase within a page.

Plus all the features a modern browser should have including: Advanced security settings; Password, Download, and Cookie managers; Themes; multi-language and multi-platform support; and, the latest in Web Standards.

Mail & Newsgroups

Junk mail controls helps you take back control of your e-mail from spammers. Mozilla's adaptive junk mail control gets smarter with use and is personalized to the e-mail that you receive.

Manage your mail with customizable Labels and Mail Views. Color code your e-mail to help you prioritize. Sort your mail with views to help you through your e-mail much faster.

Mozilla supports Multiple Accounts to help you manage all your mail through one interface.

Mozilla Messenger includes Enterprise ready features such as S/MIME, return receipts, LDAP support, and digital signing.

Composer

Mozilla's HTML editor keeps getting better with dynamic image and table resizing, quick insert and delete of table cells, improved CSS support, and support for positioned layers. For all your simple documents and website projects, Composer is all you need.

(Excerpt) Read more at mozilla.org ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: email; firefox; freesoftware; ie; internetexplorer; microsoft; mozilla; news; opensource; oss; thunderbird; webbrowser
I've been using Mozilla for years, but now that Firefox (web browser component of Mozilla) and Thunderbird (email) seem to be stable, I've switched. I am extremely impressed with these. The junk mail filter is far better than Mozilla 1.6, catching 100% of the junk with no false positives. People using IE and Outlook might as well be running Windows 95 instead of XP.

Porting my data to Firefox was a cinch, but trying to port just the email part of my Mozilla profile to Thunderbird took a little more work (you can drag it all over, but I don't like extra junk lying around). All working great and I didn't lose a thing, not a cookie, not a saved password, not an email, not a junk mail filter.

Come and get it!

1 posted on 06/19/2004 5:44:42 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
An article I was reading last week made an interesting point. It stated that Microsoft has intentionally slowed the development of their browser, Internet Explorer, because they feared that web-based applications, using browsers in place of Windows-style gui's, were placing their lucrative Windows and Office markets at risk.

That, and the lack of serious (from Microsoft's perspective) competition to Internet Explorer for several years now, seems to reasonably explain the lack of major new featuers in IE.

Now it seems that Mozilla/Firefox has gained the upper hand, and is continuing to deliver new, interesting features at a faster rate.

It may take Microsoft a while to reconstitute their IE software development efforts to a competitive level.

2 posted on 06/19/2004 6:06:31 PM PDT by ThePythonicCow (I was humble, before I was born. -- J Frondeur Kerry)
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To: ThePythonicCow
"... that web-based applications, using browsers in place of Windows-style gui's, were placing their lucrative Windows and Office markets at risk."

Yep that is what is happening. The browser is the operating system and java is the key. Write your web app in java, using any browser with a java VM and the OS doesn't matter,

Store your data in html, and be happy.

The network is the computer. :}

The bad news for MS is it's going to happen with or without them, but it's going to happen. Just a matter of time.

3 posted on 06/19/2004 6:11:19 PM PDT by snooker
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To: antiRepublicrat
I use both Mozilla and Opera, they each have features I like, and some I dislike.

Never can figure out which one I like better.

Use IE, for updates only.

4 posted on 06/19/2004 6:52:54 PM PDT by dts32041 (What is the exit strategy for Europe and Japan ? - I don't think there was one, we are still there..)
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To: antiRepublicrat

I'm very happy with Camino, the Mac Mozilla..


5 posted on 06/19/2004 6:56:42 PM PDT by null and void ( 'IF', only the middle letters in 'life.')
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To: antiRepublicrat

Thanks for the news. I love my Mozilla.

I just wish my bank would support it for my online bill paying.


6 posted on 06/19/2004 6:59:57 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: antiRepublicrat

Running Firefox .9. Been using Mozilla browsers for it seems years. IMO, firefox is faster than Navigator. But both are excellent,


7 posted on 06/19/2004 7:00:12 PM PDT by SealSeven
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To: SealSeven

I'm using .8; guess it's time to upgrade!


8 posted on 06/19/2004 7:14:13 PM PDT by opbuzz
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To: antiRepublicrat

bump


9 posted on 06/19/2004 7:16:36 PM PDT by NYC Republican (How can Americans SERIOUSLY consider voting for an ADMITTED WAR CRIMINAL Scum like SKerry???)
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To: dts32041
I use Firefox primarily. Opera for "checkpoint/restart" of downloads. Opera does handle tab windows somewhat better.

IE only when all else fails.

10 posted on 06/19/2004 7:16:36 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: dts32041
Never can figure out which one I like better.

Mozilla, mainly because it's free without ads. I have absolutely no browser loyalty, using what's best. I went from Mosaic to Netscape 1, then ditched Netscape 4.7 when it sucked in comparison to IE 5.5, then Mozilla at 1.0. I'll switch again if I can find something better at that price, but I haven't seen it yet and don't think I will for a while.

BTW, I found a couple cool things to do with Firefox. At the bottom of a bookmark tab in the toolbar is "open in tabs." I put all the news sites I read in one tab, then open them all at one click. Now I've learned to put any discussions I'm interested in following in a "Threads" tab. Click on "open in tabs" and all of my discussions are right there. An excellent feature for Free Republic denizens.

11 posted on 06/19/2004 7:20:46 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: ThePythonicCow
That, and the lack of serious (from Microsoft's perspective) competition to Internet Explorer for several years now, seems to reasonably explain the lack of major new featuers in IE.

Such is the danger of monopoly. Even if two million people switched to Mozilla today, it wouldn't put a dent in IE's share.

IE just pisses me off. I'm developing an intranet app for a 100% IE audience. I wanted to use CSS to do some basic UI stuff that's good for accessibility and in general, something simple like making the current textbox form field be hilighted (brighter border). Nope, IE can't understand the CSS :focus pseudo-class. What a crap browser. It's monopoly status is hurting the WWW.

12 posted on 06/19/2004 7:30:21 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I really don't understand the fascination with Mozilla. I've tried all the Mozilla browsers (not the very newest though) and found them a little clunky and ugly.

On the other hand, I love Opera and I've used it exclusively (except for Windows updates) for about 2 years now. I think it's just a better, faster browser.

To each his own I guess.


13 posted on 06/19/2004 7:37:43 PM PDT by TruBluKentuckian
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To: antiRepublicrat; Bloody Sam Roberts; JoJo Gunn; zeugma; All
I switched to Firefox 8.0 after some advice from FReepers when I posted a thread about some particularly nasty browser hijackers. I haven't even recieved so much as a cookie I don't want since, and it is noticeably faster than IE besides.

I notice that Mozilla now has Firefox 9.0 out. Is it truly much better, and if I download it, will it simply replace the 8.0 I've got now? I am curious as I'm using a dialup and any such download takes quite a while.

14 posted on 06/19/2004 7:46:04 PM PDT by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Long Cut
Is it truly much better, and if I download it, will it simply replace the 8.0 I've got now?

Sorry, can't help. This is my first use of Firefox. But it's a whole lot better than Mozilla 1.6.

15 posted on 06/19/2004 8:05:18 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: TruBluKentuckian
I've tried all the Mozilla browsers (not the very newest though) and found them a little clunky and ugly.

Try the newest. Very skinnable too, with a couple of UI skins that are actually worth using. As far as Opera, I don't like adware, and to me it's not worth the extra money over Mozilla for a clean version.

16 posted on 06/19/2004 8:06:53 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Long Cut

I just downloaded and installed Firefox 9.0. It's smaller (4.8 meg) than 8.0 and seems to run a bit faster There are a few glitches with some of the plugins but it has an update feature to fix them. I'm using it with Slackware (Linux) and Windows both with no problems. It's worth the upgrade.


17 posted on 06/19/2004 8:16:07 PM PDT by WTSand
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To: radiohead
I just wish my bank would support it for my online bill paying.

I use Mozilla for Bank of America online with no problem.  Great convenience.
18 posted on 06/19/2004 8:43:07 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: WestCoastGal

FYI


19 posted on 06/19/2004 8:47:01 PM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!(Except War))
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To: WTSand

The only thing that really "bugs" me is that my visited links don't change color, even though they're clearly marked as different under Tools->Options->Fonts & Colors.

Other than that, I love Firefox.


20 posted on 06/19/2004 8:56:03 PM PDT by scott7278 ("FR will NOT be used to help replace Bush with a Democrat." -- Jim Robinson, 2/01/04)
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To: gcruse

I can check my account, but the bill pay feature doesn't work - I've already talked to tech support at my bank. I have to use IE, which means spy ware, which means a session w/Ad-aware. Kind of a drag.


21 posted on 06/19/2004 9:13:20 PM PDT by radiohead
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To: antiRepublicrat

Firefox is great, been using it for a year. Theres only a few Java applets it seems to have trouble with, so I stll have IE installed, just don't use it often at all.


22 posted on 06/19/2004 9:16:05 PM PDT by djf
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To: antiRepublicrat
Yeah--I've moved up to 0.9, but the "TabBrowser Preferences" extension isn't available yet for 0.9.

That is just about the best extension for this browser (perhaps Adblock, too), and I sorely miss it. I'm tempted to revert back to 0.8 just to get that extension back...

Even without it, though, Firefox is still the best browser on themarket, and MS is gonna wish they had kept up development of IE.

23 posted on 06/19/2004 9:47:55 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: Long Cut
I'm also using 0.8 and haven't decided whether to update to 0.9 or wait until 1.0 comes out. Regardless, here's the answer to your question about installing Firefox 0.9 over 0.8.
_______________________________________________________

Installing Firefox

Once you have downloaded a Firefox installer or compressed archive, follow these instructions to install:

First, for these preview releases it is strongly recommended that you uninstall any previous version of Firefox first. Installing over the top of an older version may cause unpredictable problems. If you install over the top of an older version and want to file bugs, please do a clean install into a fresh directory before doing so.

Windows

Double click the FirefoxSetup-0.9.exe installer to start the install.

NOTE - Do not install Firefox over the top of another Firefox installation. If you want to install Firefox 0.9 into the same folder that you had Firefox 0.8 in, uninstall Firefox 0.8 first. Upgrading will be fixed in a future release.

MacOS X

Double click the Firefox Compressed Disk Image to mount. Your browser may have already uncompressed the image and mounted it for you. Double click the Firefox 0.9 Disk Image and drag the Firefox application onto your hard disk. Drag the icon to your Dock if you want it to appear there.

Linux/GTK2

Extract the tarball and run the installer like so:

tar -xzvf firefox-0.9-i686-linux-gtk2+xft.tar.gz
cd firefox-0.9-i686-linux-gtk2+xft/
./firefox-installer

Other Platforms

Extract the compressed archive and run firefox

Uninstalling Firefox

To uninstall Firefox, follow these instructions:

Windows

From the Start menu, choose Control Panel. When the Control Panel appears, double click Add or Remove Programs. Find "Mozilla Firefox (0.9.)" in the list and click Remove to uninstall.

MacOS X

Drag the Firefox application to the Trash.

Others

Remove the firefox folder.

These instructions leave your profile in place in case you install Firefox again in the future. If you wish to remove your Firefox profile folder, follow these instructions:

Windows

Locate your Application Data folder, this is usually under Documents and Settings\<username>\Application Data. You may need to make hidden files visible in Windows Explorer, since the Application Data folder is hidden. If your username is "Joe", and your Documents and Settings folder is on C:\, your profile folder is here: C:\Documents and Settings\Joe\Application Data\Firefox. Delete the Phoenix folder to remove your profile data.

MacOS X

Open the Library folder in your Home folder, and remove the Firefox folder. (~/Library/Firefox/).

Other

Remove ~/.firefox.

24 posted on 06/19/2004 10:15:45 PM PDT by Eagle9
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To: antiRepublicrat

What's the difference between Mozilla 1.7 and Firefox/Thunderbird?


25 posted on 06/19/2004 10:51:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: antiRepublicrat
I used Netscape 4.8 for years till I finally had to give it up because it just puked on too many pages. I like Thunderbird as an e-mail client. Certainly no one should use the dreadful Outlook Express.

Try MyIE2, a shell for Internet Explorer. Once you use this you'll never go back to plain IE. Too many features to list including mouse gestures.

Not quite as good but still excellent is Myweb4net and Avant Browser.

26 posted on 06/20/2004 12:30:40 AM PDT by jordan8
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To: antiRepublicrat

Been using Moz since 1.1.

1.7 is very nice. One extension to add is bugmenot, especially for Freepers. Allows you to go to login sites without having to use your own email address or provide any personal info, (real or not). Used it for both the Wash Post and NYT with no problems.


27 posted on 06/20/2004 2:40:02 AM PDT by KeyWest
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To: ThePythonicCow
because they feared that web-based applications, using browsers in place of Windows-style gui's, were placing their lucrative Windows and Office markets at risk.

That must be why I can, using I.E., run my work desktop from home with only a slight degredation in screen performance.

28 posted on 06/20/2004 2:45:38 AM PDT by js1138 (In a minute there is time, for decisions and revisions which a minute will reverse. J Forbes Kerry)
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To: Long Cut
That hijack happened to me and my secretary about a week apart. Now, I run some pretty good security, and I don't generally go poking around the darker alleys of the web, so I was baffled as to how it happened.

I'm trying Mozilla.

29 posted on 06/20/2004 4:58:14 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Stop the war. ********** NUKE EM NOW !)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Mozilla is everything, browser, email, chat, composer all in one package. It's also the base reference for the technology used in all other Mozilla products. Firefox is the browser only, and Thunderbird is the email only. But Firefox and Thunderbird are also a bit more advanced in features over their Mozilla counterparts.


30 posted on 06/20/2004 11:07:17 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Long Cut
...if I download it, will it simply replace the 8.0 I've got now?

I'm not sure how the install under Windows works, as I run Linux, but it does work fine. I'm using 0.9 now, and only have one minor irritant--one of my favorite extensions is not yet ready for 0.9. Once that is in place, though, Firefox will be impossible to beat as a browser.

31 posted on 06/20/2004 11:08:00 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Thank you for the information. I'm using Netscape for my e-mail, but I think I'll switch over to Thunderbird so I won't have to load the entire suite every time.

I'm thinking of switching over from IE to Firefox for my browsing, too, although I need to keep my IE updated, because of my web design business. For obvious reasons, I design for IE primarily.


32 posted on 06/20/2004 11:43:15 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: Jeff Chandler
For obvious reasons, I design for IE primarily.

For obvious reasons, I design to W3C standards for the Internet, but I hold back from using the stuff that's too complicated for IE's little brain. Sometimes for specialty or "geek" sites I'll throw it all in to make a point (get a real, W3C compliant browser if you want to view this right).

But in latest news, seems Mozilla and Opera have had an effect. Microsoft is apparently reconstituting its browser division. Time for Microsoft to steal ideas from free software some more!

33 posted on 06/20/2004 7:03:54 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I'm viewing this on Firefox. So far, so good. I like the idea of tighter security for my browsing.

I've downloaded Thunderbird, but haven't had the time to change over from Netscape (father's day, you know.)


34 posted on 06/20/2004 7:06:34 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Do Chernobyl restaurants serve Curied chicken?)
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To: Long Cut
Firefox 0.9 is only 4.5 MB... a relatively fast download even for dial-up..

There is a "windows installer" as well, and it's all pretty easy to do..
You DO have to uninstall 0.8 before installing 0.9 however.. ( unless you install to a NEW directory )
Use the program's uninstall, NOT the MS change/remove programs.. ( it will remove stuff you don't want removed.. )

35 posted on 06/26/2004 8:08:03 PM PDT by Drammach (Ripley... Last survivor of the Nostromo.... signing off....)
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To: antiRepublicrat

Did you see this?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1149061/posts

Not remotely possible? Or doesn't apply.


36 posted on 06/27/2004 12:10:00 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: TruBluKentuckian
I love Opera and I've used it exclusively

Opera is my main browser also. But 7.51 has introduced a goofy glitch. About once each day, mine will get confused about mouse clicks and act as though they occurred in a different window. I didn't have this problem with 7.50 or any of the beta versions.

37 posted on 06/27/2004 12:16:28 PM PDT by steve86
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To: Golden Eagle
Not remotely possible? Or doesn't apply.

Just absolutely idiotic.

38 posted on 06/27/2004 2:55:35 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Not remotely possible you're saying?


39 posted on 06/28/2004 5:27:48 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Not remotely possible you're saying?

Just plain stupid. Remember, Mozilla is the American Netscape without the branding. AOL placed the new Netscape (6) codebase out in the open with a foundation and some startup money to continue work on the project it didn't want to do anymore. Funny though, although Mozilla comes from Netscape, now any new version of Netscape is really just a rebranded Mozilla.

40 posted on 06/28/2004 9:25:32 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

I've got a question for web developers. I just downloaded Firefox because I wanted to see how my website looked with it. I have been developing for IE using Cascading Style Sheets, but with Firefox, it's almost like it doesn't recognize some of my styles. Has anyone else experienced these issues with IE/Mozilla compatability?


41 posted on 06/28/2004 9:34:36 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
Just plain stupid. Remember, Mozilla is the American Netscape

No communists in America?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1161736/posts

42 posted on 06/28/2004 9:56:00 AM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: dfwgator
I have been developing for IE using Cascading Style Sheets, but with Firefox, it's almost like it doesn't recognize some of my styles.

IE doesn't do CSS correctly, so often if you do the workarounds to get style sheets working well with IE it can break the rendering in Firefox and other standards-compliant browsers. I've found that developing with Visual Studio.NET you get two main browser choices to develop to: IE 5 or Netscape 4 (which is totally broken for CSS, making IE look awesome in comparison). So if you want to use CSS, it writes it to be compatible with IE5. It would be nice if they put a "Mozilla minus what IE can't understand" as an option.

43 posted on 06/28/2004 9:56:53 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Fortunately the users for my current app all use IE, but I'm about to develop some customer-facing sites so I definately need to make sure they are compatable.


44 posted on 06/28/2004 10:12:30 AM PDT by dfwgator (It's sad that the news media treats Michael Jackson better than our military.)
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To: dfwgator
Fortunately the users for my current app all use IE, but I'm about to develop some customer-facing sites so I definately need to make sure they are compatable.

What I'm doing at work is also IE-only, so I don't have to worry much -- and I doubt they'll be switching to Firefox any time soon. For public sites though, I do it CSS-standard, which works perfectly in Firefox, Opera, etc., and I make sure that any CSS I use that IE can't handle isn't critical to the site's layout or function.

45 posted on 06/28/2004 11:07:03 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: dfwgator
BTW, if you want to do CSS but are afraid of breaking IE, this MSDN page has a long list of problems to avoid (they're actually ignored CSS compatibility requests to Microsoft).
46 posted on 06/28/2004 11:13:30 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: jordan8

I've been using MyIE2 as well. Just about everyone I've shown has switched. I've tried the new firefox but found that it wasn't as feature rich and lacked good tabbing prefernces.


47 posted on 06/28/2004 11:18:01 AM PDT by YummiBox
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To: antiRepublicrat

It has popup blocker but what about adware junk? People who create these things should be in jail.


48 posted on 06/28/2004 11:23:04 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Lee'sGhost
It has popup blocker but what about adware junk? People who create these things should be in jail.

By design, Mozilla/Firefox is immune to adware/spyware. I only have AdAware on my Windows machine for those rare times I have to use IE and for the games my wife sometimes downloads and installs. Every piece of junk I've found on that box has been because of those.

49 posted on 06/28/2004 12:31:59 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat

Interesting. Thanks.


50 posted on 06/28/2004 1:01:25 PM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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