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LIVE THREAD: Spaceship One Launch
6/20/04

Posted on 06/20/2004 6:06:19 PM PDT by KevinDavis

I thought this will be the official live thread of the historic launch of Spaceship One. Since this will happen while I'm at work, I thought I give a live thread an eary start..


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: goliath; scaled; space; spaceshipone; xprize
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1 posted on 06/20/2004 6:06:20 PM PDT by KevinDavis
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To: RightWhale; Brett66; xrp; gdc314; sionnsar; *Space; anymouse; RadioAstronomer; NonZeroSum; ...
I thought I ping the usual suspects!

Space Ping! This is the Space Ping List! Let me know if you want on or off this list!
3 posted on 06/20/2004 6:07:49 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KevinDavis

Since you started the live thread you have to stay up all night to monitor it. We'll be checking on you.


4 posted on 06/20/2004 6:08:54 PM PDT by Rebelbase ( aka Gassybrowneyedbum)
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To: KevinDavis

Go baby - Light the Candle!


5 posted on 06/20/2004 6:12:19 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: All
Private Rocket Plane to Launch from Mojave Desert

MOJAVE, Calif. (Reuters) - Media and early onlookers flocked to the California desert on Sunday to witness the historic flight of the world's first privately funded rocket plane beyond Earth's atmosphere.

SpaceShipOne, designed by legendary aerospace designer Burt Rutan and funded by billionaire Paul Allen, will be launched from a larger plane and, after igniting its burners, fly 62 miles into space and back down again, a distance that will officially make test pilot Michael Melvill an astronaut.

"We do want our children to go the planets," said Rutan, the pioneering aerospace engineer who also designed the Voyager aircraft, the first airplane to fly around the world without refueling.

The white rocket plane with its striking nose -- a pointed cone covered with small portholes, was built with more than $20 million in funding by Allen, who co-founded Microsoft Corp.

"Tomorrow we will attempt to add a new page to the aviation books," Allen told more than 300 reporters gathered for the event, "It's incredibly exciting."

If all goes well, Allen and SpaceShipOne's builders are expected to announce their next goal after SpaceShipOne's flight, the Ansari X Prize, which is offering $10 million to the first team that sends three people, or an equivalent weight, on a manned space vehicle 60 miles above the earth and repeats the trip within two weeks.

"I am ready to go, and we are going to win the X Prize," said Melvill, 62, a professional test pilot from South Africa with U.S. citizenship.

In its last test flight in May, SpaceShipOne reached an altitude of 40 miles, or about two-thirds of its goal.

Allen and Rutan's team said its members are confident of success and have invited the general public to the Mojave Airport, about 100 miles north of Los Angeles, to witness Monday's 6:30 a.m. Pacific (9:30 a.m. EDT) launch attempt.

"It should be heavy traffic," said California Highway Patrol officer Joel Martinez, "We're preparing extra personnel for getting people in safely."

The flight itself will last about 85 minutes, including the time it takes for SpaceShipOne to be carried to an altitude of 50,000 feet by a larger aircraft called the White Knight.

After burning its rocket for 80 seconds, SpaceShipOne will spend about three and a half minutes at its peak altitude, during which the test pilot will experience weightlessness and see the black expanse of outer space.

Then the pilot will tilt SpaceShipOne's delta-style wings to slow the vehicle during reentry before it glides back to the Mojave Desert and into history books.
6 posted on 06/20/2004 6:13:16 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: KevinDavis

This is getting major media attention. There are a number of naysayers of course, and they may be ignored. This is a long ways from circular orbit, but any orbit will do.


7 posted on 06/20/2004 6:16:17 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: KevinDavis

8 posted on 06/20/2004 6:18:31 PM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Call me the Will Rogers voter: I never met a Democrat I didn't like - to vote OUT OF POWER !)
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To: All
Here are some pics:










9 posted on 06/20/2004 6:18:44 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KevinDavis

Kick the tires and light the fires!

Go SPACESHIP ONE!!!


10 posted on 06/20/2004 6:18:59 PM PDT by Ronin (We are in a war. The enemy is Islam. It's time we stopped pretending otherwise.)
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To: RightWhale; All

I intend to ignore the naysayers.


11 posted on 06/20/2004 6:19:49 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Momaw Nadon
"I am ready to go, and we are going to win the X Prize," said Melvill, 62

That would be the mysteriously unnamed pilot.

12 posted on 06/20/2004 6:19:56 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Momaw Nadon

Bump.....


13 posted on 06/20/2004 6:23:01 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: KevinDavis; BurbankKarl

Nothing like an early start! :-)

I live out here and plan to watch from my house. The scanner's all set to record, too.

Ping to BK


14 posted on 06/20/2004 6:23:47 PM PDT by lainie
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privately funded placemarker


15 posted on 06/20/2004 6:23:49 PM PDT by longshadow
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To: KevinDavis

I always liked the shuttle, but you got to admit,
this thing looks like a rocket ship right out of
"Astounding" or one of the other pulp sf mags.


16 posted on 06/20/2004 6:30:42 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

So we have the Russians, the Americans, the Chinese, and now the civvies. Like Star Trek movies let's hope even numbered attempts bear fruit.


17 posted on 06/20/2004 6:32:28 PM PDT by Bogey78O (McDonalds rejected slogan "Billions served....millions if not counting Michael Moore")
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To: lainie

"Nothing like an early start! :-)"

I don't know what the weather is like there right now but the wind can get pretty fierce there.

Planning the flight that early should avoid the real bad winds.

I used to fly in there for lunch occasionally.


18 posted on 06/20/2004 6:33:21 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: tet68

It looks like something out of Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers.


19 posted on 06/20/2004 6:34:05 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: KevinDavis
Bump for Burt!


20 posted on 06/20/2004 6:34:14 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: KevinDavis

T minus 11 hours 55 minutes.


21 posted on 06/20/2004 6:37:05 PM PDT by Musket
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To: Bogey78O

22 posted on 06/20/2004 6:41:26 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: Momaw Nadon

I wish.


23 posted on 06/20/2004 6:47:06 PM PDT by Bogey78O (McDonalds rejected slogan "Billions served....millions if not counting Michael Moore")
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To: KevinDavis

I think Ray Bradbury will be following this launch very avidly.


24 posted on 06/20/2004 6:52:07 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: Musket
I confused about the launch time. (This site) has launch two hours earlier than you show.
25 posted on 06/20/2004 6:53:06 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: fhayek; Musket; KevinDavis
Can anyone confirm the correct launch time?
26 posted on 06/20/2004 6:58:29 PM PDT by Momaw Nadon (Goals for 2004: Re-elect President Bush, over 60 Republicans in the Senate, and a Republican House.)
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To: KevinDavis
Light the candle and...

GOD SPEED!

27 posted on 06/20/2004 6:59:49 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: KevinDavis
Wow!!

Any have a Flight Simulator add-on with this craft? Looks like an X-1 / Komet hybrid.

28 posted on 06/20/2004 7:01:06 PM PDT by struwwelpeter
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To: Momaw Nadon

Will they be taking along a little Stepenwolf on their Magic Carpet Ride?


29 posted on 06/20/2004 7:01:48 PM PDT by AFreeBird (your mileage may vary)
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To: KevinDavis

Press Kit
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/june21presskit.htm

Official Home Page
http://www.scaled.com/projects/tierone/


30 posted on 06/20/2004 7:02:43 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: RightWhale

> This is a long ways from circular orbit,
> but any orbit will do.

It's not any sort of orbit or fraction thereof.

This is a pretty much straight up & down shot,
highly tuned to meet the requirements of the X-prize.
It presents about the most benign "re-entry" possible.

Something that could duplicate Sheppard's flight, or
even the X-15, would look very different. Rutan's
next spacecraft will doubtless look much different.


31 posted on 06/20/2004 7:03:06 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Momaw Nadon

Q: What date and time will the launch take place?
A: The launch is planned for June 21, 2004. We plan for very early in the morning. Currently we are planning to taxi out for takeoff at 6:30 a.m P.D.T.


Q: Is there any plan for live media coverage of the flight?
A: CNN is planning on broadcasting live coverage. There are currently no plans for an internet stream. Ridgecrest FM radio station, KLOA FM 104.9, will cover the event live, including updates and even the flight's radio calls. There is a possibility of having severe traffic congestion with cars arriving in the Mojave area. If you are still in your car arriving late, tune in KLOA and look up at the north-east sky.


32 posted on 06/20/2004 7:05:20 PM PDT by steplock (http://www.gohotsprings.com)
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To: fhayek

Well, 6:30 am pdt is 8:30 am cst and that's 11+ hours from now so I think that site is wrong, no?(unless I have my head up my kiester, which is entirely possible).


33 posted on 06/20/2004 7:13:11 PM PDT by Musket
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To: Musket

I believe it is going to be 6:30 am pdt, 8:30 am cst, 9:30 am est . It depends on the time zone you are in...


34 posted on 06/20/2004 7:16:19 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: Musket
If it is any consolation, I think that you are right. But, I too could have my head up my keister. Hell of a view, isn't it?
35 posted on 06/20/2004 7:17:32 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: KevinDavis

Thanks for the photos


36 posted on 06/20/2004 7:21:30 PM PDT by Valin (What part of "You don't understand anything" don't you understand?)
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To: fhayek
Well there ya go. Ya can't believe everything you read on the internet.; )
37 posted on 06/20/2004 7:22:59 PM PDT by Musket
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To: Momaw Nadon

Ah - Will Riker - Star Trek's answer to Al Gore. Some of Number One's gems: "We have the right to do what we choose with our bodies"! "We no longer enslave animals for food"!


38 posted on 06/20/2004 7:23:04 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Musket

You don't suppose all those Penis Enlarging ads are false, do you? ; ^ [)


39 posted on 06/20/2004 7:24:35 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: KevinDavis
> I believe it is going to be 6:30 am pdt,
> 8:30 am cst, 9:30 am est.

Depending on the weather, winds mostly.

Keep an eye on that here: NWS - Mojave, CA
40 posted on 06/20/2004 7:37:44 PM PDT by Boundless
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To: Hacksaw
"We no longer enslave animals for food"

Since they have replicators, they don't even have to grow their food. Star Trek always grated on me because they never considered the implications of the technology they were wielding.

41 posted on 06/20/2004 7:41:54 PM PDT by Brett66
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To: Brett66
Since they have replicators, they don't even have to grow their food. Star Trek always grated on me because they never considered the implications of the technology they were wielding.

In one of my Star Trek nerd books, it talks about the holodeck and replicators in TNG, and says one of the dilemnas they had to work around was that they could potentially be used to bring back the dead to life.

One of the funny scenes in the new Enterprise series was when Archer and T'Pal are on Earth and Archer purposely orders a fast food hamburger.

42 posted on 06/20/2004 7:55:30 PM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Boundless
It is a suborbital flight, meaning only that the orbital trajectory intersects the surface of the earth but otherwise the spacecraft will be in space and in orbit for a period of time. It is an orbit and orbital mechanics applies. It will be in orbit and the pilot will become a for real astronaut.

in space and in orbit = spaceflight

43 posted on 06/20/2004 8:17:39 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: Hacksaw

Best Riker-related line I've heard (from a STTNG parody):
(a voice that sounded exactly like Patrick Stewart): "Numbah One ... put 'it' away, wash your hands, and join me on the bridge!"


44 posted on 06/20/2004 8:20:21 PM PDT by solitas ("HA HA!" (Nelson Muntz))
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To: struwwelpeter
a Flight Simulator add-on with this craft?

That's the ticket!

45 posted on 06/20/2004 8:24:11 PM PDT by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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Here's my favorite pic so far, it's titled "Wind & Space" and is from the Mojave Airport website.


Click for larger version

46 posted on 06/20/2004 8:24:49 PM PDT by Fixit (Godspeed SpaceShipOne.)
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To: Hacksaw

47 posted on 06/20/2004 8:30:12 PM PDT by XBob (Free-traitors steal our jobs for their profit.)
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To: All

One of the head guys on this project is the son of one of my elementary school teacher's.

My town will be paying close attention tomorrow, that's for sure.


48 posted on 06/20/2004 8:31:41 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("Am I not destroying my enemies when I make friends of them?" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: RightWhale

> It is a suborbital flight, ...

I'd be inclined to call it a nearly vertical ballistic
flight outside the atmosphere, but Scaled itself calls
it "suborbital", so I'll leave it at that.

> and the pilot will become a for real astronaut.

And the requirement "astronaut" is simply altitude.
Straight up and straight down suffices. Are not some
of the X-prize entrants balloons with rockets?

Other threads here have shown that a lot of people think
SS1 is a real orbital craft, needing only to burn more
rubber (so to speak) to get into orbit. My impression is
that it could not survive an orbital re-entry (i.e. it
can't dump the heat energy from both a real orbital
gravity well and bleeding off 17Kmph orbital velocity).

Has Scaled said anything about how much excess capability
the system has? I assume it has a bit of margin over what
the X-prize requires, but just a bit, and that going
substantially higher (or into orbit) would require a
completely different craft. This is not like Shep's Merc
capsule, needing just more boost to go around the world.

And if Scaled has a real orbital craft in work, we won't
hear about it until they can't keep it secret any longer.


50 posted on 06/20/2004 9:30:09 PM PDT by Boundless
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